I spoke to Graydon a distributor/dealer for above unit. He stated if 5 or more units can be done on a group buy, then he can discount shipping and maybe something on price if we get lucky. Any one interested ?? Also I know Northern tool ships for free, but you are then stuck going through them if there are any problems/questions/missing parts. Graydon answers your e-mails everyday. Dave

where in NY are you from? I've been researching processors since march and I really don't like the Biopro 190 because it takes too long. 48 hrs! I can get a processor that is a waterless wash system that costs almost half that and does it all in less than 14 hrs. I also need at least an 80 gallon processor so I can do approx. 4 batches a week. and not draw too much electricity to make it worthwhile until we find a sweet generator.

here is a link:http://www.homebiodieselkits.com/80gadewdr.html

I want a smaller unit that easily fits in a garage(foot print is 21"x21"), plus it is pretty much all automated and no transfering fluids from one tank to the next, plus all stainless steel construction. 50 gallons in 48 hrs with 25 miutes of my personnel time equals 100 gallons/week and 1 hour of my time.

where in NY are you from? I've been researching processors since march and I really don't like the Biopro 190 because it takes too long. 48 hrs! I can get a processor that is a waterless wash system that costs almost half that and does it all in less than 14 hrs. I also need at least an 80 gallon processor so I can do approx. 4 batches a week. and not draw too much electricity to make it worthwhile until we find a sweet generator.

here is a link:http://www.homebiodieselkits.com/80gadewdr.html


check out the biodiesel123.com, they make some nice stuff

jrad, do you know anyone with one of these kits? I am just leery of the mist-washing with water. there is less risk of water in finished fuel if it is washed without water :rolleyes:. but the reduced settling time is a plus. and it is pretty cheap compared to others. thanks for the link.

I think the whole point of the biopro is that you hit the button and walk away. You dont have to do a titration and dont have to worry about human error. Your oil will come out perfect everytime.

ya for 4000 grand more than other kits plus:eek:you could hire someone to run it for ya:D

Bansh,
Several people have bought cheaper PVC tank kits and had fires or had to spend additional moneys just to get their system to work. This system is all stainless steel and the tank heater is seperate and insulated no fires. It doesn't have 10 one way valves and rubber tubing/piping all over to leak. Also you don't have to transfer from one tank to the next, reducing a chance of a spill. The system is also much more automated very little hands on supervising.

i have not used any of them i just know the price is alot to swallow for that unit thats all it may be great i just dont have that much to spend:(

neither do I, it's a sh*t load of money but I really don't have an option to set up out side so the size of 21x21 inches really is ideal. Besides for the $8395 it even comes with caster wheels to roll around like a garbage can:D

Bansh,
Several people have bought cheaper PVC tank kits and had fires or had to spend additional moneys just to get their system to work. This system is all stainless steel and the tank heater is seperate and insulated no fires. It doesn't have 10 one way valves and rubber tubing/piping all over to leak. Also you don't have to transfer from one tank to the next, reducing a chance of a spill. The system is also much more automated very little hands on supervising.

Fires?!!! really, do you have a link or article to prove this or is this here-say? I ask because the chemicals involved are obviously flammable and volatile if not handled with care, it could have been operator-error. heating blankets+methanol+no ventilation+plastics can definitely cause a fire easy enough without the PVC "melting". Also most rubber lines are biodiesel-safe anyways....maybe not the outer layer but the inner layer is extremely resistant on even the most basic lines.

If you are really looking for $$ savings, it doesn't make sense to make the argument that it will only take you an hour a week as opposed to what....4 hrs a week at most for the same volume of production you are looking to do...for an average of $4,000 MORE! + the almost-constant running of the BioPro= increased electricity costs too(those pumps are pretty high-draw) I have done enough math to make my head hurt and have come to the conclusion a while ago that the only way to make bio-diesel production worthwhile is to set it up off-grid on a bio-diesel-powered generator and to do as much as possible per week...sell the rest if need be!! store it!! put it in your home heating system (cut of course) but if you are trying to just produce it a little at a time very slowly you are virtually losing money all the time, depending on your initial overhead cost.

Fires?!!! really, do you have a link or article to prove this or is this here-say? I ask because the chemicals involved are obviously flammable and volatile if not handled with care, it could have been operator-error. heating blankets+methanol+no ventilation+plastics can definitely cause a fire easy enough without the PVC "melting". Also most rubber lines are biodiesel-safe anyways....maybe not the outer layer but the inner layer is extremely resistant on even the most basic lines.

If you are really looking for $$ savings, it doesn't make sense to make the argument that it will only take you an hour a week as opposed to what....4 hrs a week at most for the same volume of production you are looking to do...for an average of $4,000 MORE! + the almost-constant running of the BioPro= increased electricity costs too(those pumps are pretty high-draw) I have done enough math to make my head hurt and have come to the conclusion a while ago that the only way to make bio-diesel production worthwhile is to set it up off-grid on a bio-diesel-powered generator and to do as much as possible per week...sell the rest if need be!! store it!! put it in your home heating system (cut of course) but if you are trying to just produce it a little at a time very slowly you are virtually losing money all the time, depending on your initial overhead cost.


I agree with the above, but some people (like myself) are interested in making large amounts. (biopro 390 would be better) I have run the numbers too and for me, loosing time doing titration, and baby sitting the damn thing is my enemy. I am a very busy person and work on average 10-12 hours per day. For me at least, this unit would make more sense because time is money. I have a friend that has one in his garage. and after seeing the unit and after seeing how it works, it is top notch stuff. But yes expensive.

As far as the power the biopro uses, I saw an interesting unit on ebay the other day. It was some sort of magnet motor that uses opposite polls to spin a drum that turns a belt that generates electricity. Maybe this concept has been around a while but I had never seen it and thought it was interesting, looked very simple to build. I wonder if it makes enough to power the biopro.

used one for sale near me.

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/car/729035903.html

I too am interested in a larger-than-average processor..I need 300-400 gallons per week to sustain everything on B100 (two dumps, a 310D, 120, ASV trakmachine, three dmaxs and a powerjoke) but the titration and the adding of raw chemicals is a fraction of the time you can save by choosing a more efficient processor (BioKleen vs. Water Wash systems; settling agents; etc.)
And I will look into that Electromagnetic generator as well, the idea has been around for a long time (since the 19th century) but hasn't been popular because the size of the units that were previously required to power the common household were so large and expensive. maybe new materials are being used now. I have a propane generator that will power a few large city blocks but it is worth more to me if I don't use it for my "petty" needs.

Some links with fires and additional problems because of non steel tanks
http://www.officialbiodiesel.com/plastic_tank_fire.htm
2.http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/t/5685.aspx?PageIndex=5

Basically it seems do to the expansion and contraction of non-steel tanks, leaks are easier to have around the fittings, which increases the potential for problems with a fire.