While on a camping trip this past weekend I pulled my 5ver with the edge set on L2 approximatley 150 miles. When I got to the camp site I turned the truck off and went to restart and it wouldn't do anything but turn over. I hit the fuel filter prime a few times and it start up. After getting home it wouldn't start again. Once I primed it, it started again but wouldn't go over 2000 RPM and the tranny shifted very hard from 1st to 2nd. Truck would barely go like it was in limp mode. Tranny temp at 160 and engine and about 205. I took the edge out and it ran fine. Seems like if the box gets hot it shuts down. I have read many threads about the Juice W/Attitude but mine does not have the Attitude..I have an LB7...Any advice guys?..Jim:mad:


2003 2500 HD CC/SB LT LB7 Juiced, Isspro Pyro and Turbo, Stock Everthing Else

If you can really call these trucks stock...

Someone chime in here!

What version is the Juice?

Aaron

I'm not having problems. But just in case.....

I just got mine last week. So mine is the the latest version. Plus I wanted someone who knows to hook this guy up with some info.

call EDGE, they will fix it.

I took the unit back to the place I bought it from and they ordered me another. Version is 4.81. I am concerned with how hot the unit was when I took it out. It was mounted on a plastic cover over the computers I think. I was wondering if anyone had experienced the same thing as I have been running it stock for over two days with no problems..Jim




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call EDGE, they will fix it.
What gearhead said.... Those Edge guys are the best customer service people I have ever dealt with. Tell them you issue in detail. If there is a fix, they will find it. They are truly the :grd: boys!!

How long on your fuel filter? Restriction will cause low power and harsh shifts due to pedal position and expected power during the shift. Usually can't go more than 15k on filter, especially with edge asking for more fuel demand. Hope this helps.:D

If the edge was hot to the touch, and I mean hot, more than under hood temps would cause, thats was probably your problem. But I know of several cases exactly like you describe that are the cause of a bad fuel filter, I would start with the fuel filter and change it every 10-15k.

Good Luck!

I had some of the same problems on my 03 with the Juice. Mine would crank but not start like yours but it did not get hot and I did not have to reprime the fuel filter. I had to open the door to break the circuit and then the truck would start. I called Edge directly and they took care of me. I even Beta tested the new version for them to help work out some of the bugs. Edge will work with you directly no matter where you got your unit. They along with John Kennedy have some of the best customer service that I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.:ro) Be patient and they will work out your problem. I love my Juice with attitude and would not consider driving my truck without it.

It seems to me if you had to prime the system it wouldn't be a programmer issue. more like a fuel problem. a plugged fuel filter will cause this, but i have seen a few d-max with the same problem. once warm and shut off, will not restart. turned out to be high
injector return rate. replace all injectors and was fine.

The fuel filter has about 5k on it and I have been running Standyne for the past few tanks. It runs fine without the juice in. Once I get the new unit I will be able to tell. Funny thing was that the no start issue would only happen when I would tow my 5ver. Running around unloaded it ran fine until the other day..Thanks for all the info..Jim

2003 2500 HD CC/SB LT LB7 Juiced, Isspro Pyro and Turbo, Stock Everthing Else

If you can really call these trucks stock...:ro)

SCDmax
Opening the door to break the circuit? I'm confused, please enlighten ol JJ as to what this does. :o:

I experienced a dead Dumax last night as well. I towed my 5ver yesterday about 200 miles, dropped it at a campsite, drove ten miles, parked for about 3 hours, came out and the truck would turn over but not start. I unplugged the E/J and it immediately started and ran fine. The unit wasn't hot since it sat so long.

I plan to hook the E/J up again this morning to see if it will work. If any problems I'll be on the phone with the Edge folks. JJ :)

The LB7 version of the Juice/Attitude had a No Start problem. This was on versions built around Jan, 2004. I had one of those units too.

In order to get the truck to start (after the Crank but No Start condition existed) you had to completely remove the power to the Juice. This is accomplished by turning off the ignition key AND then openning the drivers door. Remember, if you just turn the key off, your stereo continues to play (as an example). So the sure way to remove power completely is ignition off and then open drivers door and all accessory power is cut. What SCDMAX mentions is exactly the same step I used to get the truck to start after the Edge Juice/Attitude problem surfaced (which was approx 1 in 15 starts).

Not sure if the LLY Juice has the same issues, but it is worth a try next time the problem surfaces.

Thanks. Ironically, I had forgotten just how good my LLY ran after I had it reflashed. Lately with the E/J hooked up I was getting the low idle surge back. Since I disconnected it last night the truck is running as it did after reflash, better acceleration, no low idle surge, etc. I'm perplexed??? :o:

I'm going to tow the 5ver back home without the E/J plugged in just to see the difference. I may have an E/J w/attitude for sale shortly. :rolleyes: Later. JJ :)

Long Story but will give you the readers digest version
* Late Dec 04 purchased new Box Rev 4.81"I", up in low 20 degree weather. Truck started, ran for 3 minutes, died, unable to start until I removed Edge.
* Early Jan 05 Sent Box back to Edge, they sent me new one, no questions asked.

* Mid Jan with new Box installed, running up through North Cal in 30 degree temps early AM, truck acted up on Freeway all the way there(212 miles). Felt like box was turning on and off(Cycling) but power was lower then stock so box was now hindering truck performance. Motor temp gauge showing around 170-180. Called Edge from cell while happening. They said very strange. Justin said he would call me back, never did. On way back early afternoon, outside temp was 60, truck ran perfectly. no problems at all.

I sure like the smooth power of the Edge but there is something programmed improperly. I understand why EDGE would build in a fail safe for the folks that would get in it and WOT the thing with no temp, But the parameter table for the ECT needs to be adjusted. However with this thread it sounds like we have 2 issues. The actual lookup parameter setting for ECT and a physical box temperature.

Edge customer service has been EXCELLENT. However at some point yanking the programmer and sending it back is not the answer. We could do that forever. I am glad they take them back, but as I told Justin at Edge, "I can send them back everytime but if you are not attempting to duplicate and resolve the failure mechanism then this will be a revolving door of programmers and UPS makes a wad of money".

Recently the temperature here has been mild at 50 or so degrees and raining. I have not had a problem whatsoever.

Regards

Jeff

After I took the edge out my truck it took two days for it not to start and/or hard start. I took it in to the dealer and they advised that the scan of the on board computer showed a loss of communication between the PCM and other functions which caused several error codes. They reset and everything seems to run fine. I have a new edge box coming today. It will be interesting to see what happens when I reconnect. Anyone out there had the edge cause this type of problem with their Dmax? Jim

2003 2500 HD CC/SB LT LB7 Juiced, Isspro Pyro and Turbo, Stock Everthing Else

If you can really call these trucks stock...:ro)

I just got off the phone with the Edge folks and a new E/J w/attitude is on its way. The guy also informed me that the module I would recieve would have the latest reflashes, i.e. no cold weather issues, etc. :ro)

I opted to give them a credit card # so they would ship it without having the old one. Once the new one arrives I just return my old one. Great job Edge! Turns out I need to take the truck in for service anyway so removing the E/J w/attitude was going to happen anyway. I'll advise if the new unit performs better than my original. JJ :)

JJ,

How about looking for the version number on the outside of the new Juice case when it arrives. I believe the Attitude will display the version number on the screen, but I believe the Juice version number is only on the case mounted under the hood, so it would be a pain to find the number after installing it. Please post the new version numbers for the Juice and for the Attitude when you get a chance.

Thanks.

E/J arrived today. The juice has the following label: EJC1000A, Version 1.1 with a manufacture date of 12/15/04. My original juice has: EJC1000A, Version 1.0 with a manufacture date of 12/06/04.

At first I was concerned they had sent me a used one since the box looked a bit ragid. I'll install the new one after my trip to the stealership next week. New exhaust to install as well. JJ :)

E/J arrived today. The juice has the following label: EJC1000A, Version 1.1 with a manufacture date of 12/15/04. My original juice has: EJC1000A, Version 1.0 with a manufacture date of 12/06/04.

At first I was concerned they had sent me a used one since the box looked a bit ragid. I'll install the new one after my trip to the stealership next week. New exhaust to install as well. JJ :)

JJ .... Thanks for the new numbers. I suspect a lot of people are looking forward to your impressions on the new version.

The December manufacturing date is interesting. I thought the new code was still being tested in February.

Good Morning,

How long did it take to get the it back thanks.

BH, I thought it kind of odd the two were within 10 days of each other, but the guy at Edge assured me the 1.1 addresses the cold weather and fueling issues. We'll see? ;)

Arico100, if I understand your question correctly, I didn't send my old one back in, I simply called Edge, they took a credit card #, mailed me the new one and I am to send the old one back in the box. Good service so far! :rolleyes:

I won't be installing the new E/J until after next weekend due to a trip to the dealer for service. Sorry for the delay. Anyone else out there running the 1.1 version that can post results? JJ :)

Strange. I got my Juice last week. Many date of 02/28/05. Version 1.1

I called edge and they said there was a newer version 1.5 I think.
That would not mesh with what they told you JJ?

I'm a little suspicious that Edge may be using the older version boxes, reflashing them, and sending them out as replacements. The box the replacement E/J came in wasn't new by any standard! :rolleyes:

I did buy the 1.0 version, if they reflash a 1.1 and give me the latest updates they have honored their commitment. Am I being naive? JJ :)

I'm a little suspicious that Edge may be using the older version boxes, reflashing them, and sending them out as replacements.
I've been following this thread because I'm interested in the product.

As a computer tech / manager (about 700 units supervised), the fact that they may have reflashed a box wouldn't concern me that much ... if it is truly a bad chip, it would fail the flash and couldn't be reprogrammed (I'd pay more attention to the noted "hot" boxes - those would be caught in a circuitry test). The real issue would be the error handling programmed into the box and the interpretation of Chevy's codes and the interpretation by Chevy of the box's commands. From what I am reading, Edge is willing to continually reexamine what is happening even with vehicles that are beyond year 1,2,or 3. Now ... if you could do that for software and computer manufacturers ...

:ro) The Diesel Place ROCKS!!!

Definitely interested!
RJ

BH, I thought it kind of odd the two were within 10 days of each other, but the guy at Edge assured me the 1.1 addresses the cold weather and fueling issues. We'll see? ;)

JJ ... I spoke with a guy in Tech Support at Edge yesterday evening. Here is the story.

The first version of the Juice for the LLY came out in July, 2004 and was vesion 1.0. The next version was 1.1, but I did not ask the release date. Now, the newest version of the Juice for the LLY is 1.2. He said it came out about four days ago. Getting from 1.0 to 1.2 requires both a hardware and an a software upgrade. I do not know if a hardware upgrade is required when going from 1.1 to 1.2.

The owner only has to send in the Juice. They do not need to send in the Attitude. The Attitude is still version 1.5.

So JJ, mail yours in ASAP and you should have it back about the time your truck is back from the dealer.

Let us know what you think after you get the latest and greatest. The rep told me the that owners going to the newest version should will have a fix for the turbo bark issues, surging, and other misc items.

I sent Edge an e-mail yesterday asking about the 1.1 version versus sending me the 1.2. I'll advise on their response. Doesn't make much sense for them to send me a unit a day or so before releasing the better version. Looks like I may be mailing the Edge back for the reflash. JJ :(

JJ,

Please update. Do you have the 1.2?