: Edge/LLY users
Dmax Tim 02-21-2005, 05:19 AM As many know my juice doesn't work under 23*f, after talking to Edge a while back they said others w/ same problem have wire tied the box to the upper radiator hose.
Friday morning it was warm enough for the juice to work but I had some bucking on the way to work.
On ride home it was upper teens and no power so when I got home I grabbed 2 12" wire ties and tied my juice to the upper radiator hose ( sandwiched it between the hose and the battery cable) and tied it in place.
It's still been cold and juice is working fine, now for the more interesting news, I haven't had any bucking.
For the last 3 days the truck has run fine.
I put the J/A on in September and it ran fine until it started getting cold.
How about anyone w/ the bucking problem try this and see if it helps u.
briano 02-21-2005, 07:31 AM this is interesting info.. a buddy of mine has been going through the edge/cold problem and has been talking with Edges' engineering folk about it, however I have never heard of this tip. I will pass it along.
9W3-HD 02-21-2005, 05:03 PM maybe they just need to start making a radiator hose mount to fix their problem):h
Kennedy 02-21-2005, 06:08 PM So what are the symptoms when the box is cold?
Is this "bucking" the same that has the timing burst knock like the pilot shuts off and on?
jmg343 02-21-2005, 06:22 PM is this the famed problem with the edge? is it the only one? Im itching to buy the e/j with atttitude, maybe even the attitude 2 if I can get one. the only reason im holding off is because of the problems I hear that they are in the process of working out. If the only problem is the box not working below 27 degrees than I dont have to worry. It doesnt get that cold around here.
John K 02-21-2005, 07:07 PM I have contacted edge on this problem as well they said they were working on a fix and it would be ready in a few weeks. (reflash for the module) they also suggested zip tying it to the rad hose till they were ready. john
Dmax Tim 02-22-2005, 05:41 AM So what are the symptoms when the box is cold?
Is this "bucking" the same that has the timing burst knock like the pilot shuts off and on?
John, it's more a bucking or like a gasser w/ a bad plug wire.
Jerks the truck real bad.
Doesn't seem to be rpm dependent, will do it cruising @ 55-65mph in 5th or when on the go pedal and rpm up higher.
Before the reflash it was real bad, it would do it for miles on the highway, I was running level 3 then 2 then 1 and when I went to 0 it stopped but as soon as I went to level 1 it started again.
My box doesn't work below 23*f on the mirror temp.
I assume something on the electonic side/connection is failing, this is also very repeatable.
Seems like I didn't have any trouble last fall until it got cold then I started getting the bucking once in a while.
I suggested sending my box to Edge and having them cool it w/ dryice to replicate my problem to see if they could find the problem.
I know others are having the same no juice w/ the cold temps.
Just wondering if the cold problem is causing the box cycle and cut off the power when it's above the fail temp like 24*-35* causing the bucking.
Dmax Tim 02-22-2005, 05:43 AM John , if u want my box to try out and have a way to cool/freeze it I'll send it too u and u can do the update while u have it.
Duramax Dually 02-22-2005, 05:16 PM Glad I was told about this thread. I know it is a LLY section but I am having weird gremlins with mine in cold weather also. Mine is the LB7 motor. When looking at motor temp gauge in truck it seems like when it gets back down to the 170-180 mark the box acts up. It cycles in and out like the box is turning on and off however when I push the accelerator down to drive through it, I cannot. Truck just cannot go over 65mph...then you feel this surge about 10-15 seconds later and it comes back on and you can hear the turbo whistling again and all is good. Mine is intermittent. When speaking with Justin at Edge he said he has never heard of this problem yet it appears Edge is very aware. I have not gotten a call back from Justin to answer my question or offer a solution. I am not bagging just want to get it fixed or dump it. Very annoying as I am up in temps where it sustains temps 30 and lower for days on end. Obviously this happens when outside temp is upper 30's or lower based on rearview mirror temp gauge.
So is tieing the box to the radiator hose the temp fix?
I was under the impression this was related to engine operating temp and not a physical requirement condition of the box? Does the box have a operating minimum temp? What about Edge offering a longer harness that would allow us to plug it inside the cab? I would pay a little more for the additional harness and connector.
Any further info on this?
Dmax Tim 02-23-2005, 04:55 AM The box is engine temp dependent (180*) but my box and others don't work at low temps even if the engine is above 180.
The LB7 has a different temp and IIRC it comes in at 2 different temps.
Since the lb7 box was sorted out quite a while ago, when did u get yours and what is the update version?
I'd think Edge would update it or u could have something wrong w/ it.
Call them again, I know some of them read these posts and tell them your problems and see what solution they can come up w/.
Duramax Dually 02-23-2005, 09:16 AM DMax Tim,
Long Story but will give you the readers digest version
* Late Dec 04 purchased new Box Rev 4.81I, up in low 20 degree weather. Truck started, ran for 3 minutes, died, unable to start until I removed Edge.
* Early Jan 05 Sent Box back to Edge, they sent me new one, no questions asked.
* Mid Jan with new Box installed, running up through North Cal in 30 degree temps early AM, truck acted up on Freeway all the way there(212 miles). Felt like box was turning on and off(Cycling) but power was lower then stock so box was now hindering truck performance. Motor temp gauge showing around 170-180. Called Edge from cell while happening. They said very strange. Justin said he would call me back, never did. On way back early afternoon, outside temp was 60, truck ran perfectly. no problems at all.
I sure like the smooth power of the Edge but there is something programmed improperly. I understand why EDGE would build in a fail safe for the folks that would get in it and WOT the thing with no temp, But the parameter table for the ECT needs to be adjusted. However with this thread it sounds like we have 2 issues. The actual lookup parameter setting for ECT and a physical box temperature.
Edge customer service has been EXCELLENT. However at some point yanking the programmer and sending it back is not the answer. We could do that forever. I am glad they take them back, but as I told Justin at Edge, "I can send them back everytime but if you are not attempting to duplicate and resolve the failure mechanism then this will be a revolving door of programmers and UPS makes a wad of money".
Recently the temperature here has been mild at 50 or so degrees and raining. I have not had a problem whatsoever.
Regards
Jeff
Jeff@SGLC 02-23-2005, 10:00 AM So the definative answer is still not "working perfect" right? Truck just showed up at the dealer today so I'll have some time to wait still before I start looking for upgrades, hopefully they'll have it fixed then.
Dmax Tim 02-24-2005, 05:05 AM So the definative answer is still not "working perfect" right? Truck just showed up at the dealer today so I'll have some time to wait still before I start looking for upgrades, hopefully they'll have it fixed then.
Soon as it hits the street it's time to add power :grd:
Someone on here did it ON the dealer's lot :ro)
Dmax Tim 02-25-2005, 01:22 PM I've been running the truck a week and dad put 1350 miles on it Wednesday going to Georgia to pick up a truck and I haven't had the bucking yet, it was 10*f this morning.
Anyone else try the radiator hose mount yet?
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