Ok, I know I could have posted this on the Ford and Dodge threads, but I thought it would get answered here quicker. I know that the weak point of the Allison is the 5th gear capacity of 680tq. What about the Ford and the Dodge AUTOMATIC trannies? I take it their trannies do not go into limp mode, but just slip and continue to do damage until it's too late. Does anyone know how much hp/tq the other two can handle? It sparked my interest because of some adds that are out there. Superchips claim a 150hp gain on the 6.0L Ford diesel. Can the Ford tranny handle that? What about Dodge? Maybe some Dodge and Ford owners will chime in here with an honest answer.

I can't comment on the dodges but I do know a little about the fords. I just traded in my 2003 Ford 6.0 on a 05 Chevy D/A. I had the ford for 2 years and tried just about every module and tuner made. Dennis from TS has said that the ford tranny will see slipping and damage at anything over 40hp added. The crummy shifting starts around 75-90hp and only gets worse as the hp goes up not to mention the head gaskets not holding. After driving a ford for the past 5 years I love my new Duramax!

I can't comment on the dodges but I do know a little about the fords. I just traded in my 2003 Ford 6.0 on a 05 Chevy D/A. I had the ford for 2 years and tried just about every module and tuner made. Dennis from TS has said that the ford tranny will see slipping and damage at anything over 40hp added. The crummy shifting starts around 75-90hp and only gets worse as the hp goes up not to mention the head gaskets not holding. After driving a ford for the past 5 years I love my new Duramax!

Wow. I didn't know the Fords were that bad!

And for the Goat Hoot..............

not true, my bud had his truck dynoed at over 400 and it held. The ford is protected also by the computer, similiar to an allison. Read the 5th gear clutchin both the ford and dodge will hold 400+ hp.

I might be really wrong but I am almost completely sure that there is no way a dodge will hold 400 hp. Don't know much about fords.

I'm waiting for my neighbor's tranny in his new 05 Dodge go out. He just got the Juice for 600 minus attitude and he's been running it on lvl5 alot and flogging it good.

I'm waiting for my neighbor's tranny in his new 05 Dodge go out. He just got the Juice for 600 minus attitude and he's been running it on lvl5 alot and flogging it good.

Let us know... you might be surprised.

It seems fine for now but I thought I felt a slight jumping slipping like since before the juice. He let me drive it and it sure adds the power(For a Dodge). I think a stock LLY has as much get up and go.

I personally know several dodge guys who have done "mild" chips in the 90 horse range, on 3rd generation 48re trannies and had failures. Failures under 50,000 miles or less. If you want 400 horse in an auto cummins, get ready to spend alot of money.

I think a stock LLY has as much get up and go.

I have one box and there ain't no way a stock Dmax is anywhere near close.

not true, my bud had his truck dynoed at over 400 and it held. The ford is protected also by the computer, similiar to an allison.

No it isn't

I have one box and there ain't no way a stock Dmax is anywhere near close.

Who's stock Duramax? If you can find a box under my hood,I'll eat it! :drinking:

Yea ..... programmers .. I see you're over 500!

The Ford guys claim the stock TorqueShift can handle the biggest single tuner made for their trucks with no problems. Dunno. Every time we have a dyno day or truck pull or drag day, no Ford's show up.

wonder why?hmmmmm.....ford trannys suck-please dont get me started.....allison has the best track record,bar none-now what????

mackin, are you sure? Can you show me some info on it, swear to god I read it was. Guess I am maybe thinking incorrectly but I thought my bud with the edge and attitude said it had tranny protect in a ford like a ally.

The Torque Shift is the same old trans, just beefed a little more, and a few more parts. Same with the Dodge. Still no protection. Some one bring there Dodge or Ford over and I'll prove it:muahaha:.

mackin, are you sure? Can you show me some info on it, swear to god I read it was. Guess I am maybe thinking incorrectly but I thought my bud with the edge and attitude said it had tranny protect in a ford like a ally.
Maybe it's just the defueling on shifts like the DMAX version has. I've heard of a couple of 04's that have had their tranny's get toasted with power adders.

Scott ..... cought your responce in the rag..... I laughed. .... 150 Banks HP LOL

Witnessed the Edge with attitude on lvl 5 limp a 04 F250 6.0l Torque shift. The truck just went in for the TS recall last week and they found the clutches were burned. That was a result of only 20kmi on mostly lvl 2 and 3. He has since pulled the edge and is trying various custom versions of the SCT tunes that include revised torqueshift tables. With the SCT tunes the WOT shift quality issues are gone, no slip, sliding, or hesitation, just clean, crisp full power shifts. For how long, who knows, I'm sure a hardware upgrade to the TS is inevitable however, it sure is slick to be able to manipulate the engine AND trans!

The truck definetly defueled at the shift points while running just the edge, however one of the SCT tunes is a transmission "only" tune which allows a "stack" of the Edge for power and the SCT's revised trans tables, increased rev limiter and speed limiter for good tire burning combo!

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You tell me

I am smelling a seriously bad burning smell of tranny fluid while driving. The tranny never gets above 190* so it's not overheating. The fluid even when cold smells BAD! I can drive it for 5 minutes very moderately and smell burning. I never abused my truck so I am shocked I have a problem but I did run many modules/programmers and maybe the numerous relearning procedures did it in. I don't notice any slipping but it smells like it. I want piece of mind and a tougher tranny should do it.

Mark

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When's the last time you heard that a Allison fluid smelt burnt? The Torqushift isn't a Allison.Some where I have a write up on it but I can't find it, yet.

I'm sure there is a "sort of" fail safe mode but the concession is it will fry long before any Allison will.It's seriously slipping all the way to the bank,with a power adder of 40 HP,so they say. The Torqushift is a revamped 4r100,just a baby to the Allison,no where near the clutch surface. :D

Nice try,Ford

The torque-shift will last longer with a "flash" tuner program. They can control the shifting much better. The "boxes" make big power but the shifting is usually worthless. Either will definitely do damage over time though. It doesn't really matter though, even if they got the tranny probs worked out, they still puke coolant on the higher horsepower tunes.

There was a guy on the dieselstop that even put in some headstuds and it still puked coolant.:eek: -:t ):h

The torque-shift will last longer with a "flash" tuner program. They can control the shifting much better. The "boxes" make big power but the shifting is usually worthless. Either will definitely do damage over time though. It doesn't really matter though, even if they got the tranny probs worked out, they still puke coolant on the higher horsepower tunes.

There was a guy on the dieselstop that even put in some headstuds and it still puked coolant.:eek: -:t ):h

So it looks like Ford/Navistar continues to produce mediocre diesels from a performance and ease of bombing standpoint.

Greg you are an exception

the coolant puke is related to a bad egr issue,the soder merlts when egts get to high thus gases can back up and be introduced into the coolant sytem thus pushing some out.the tq shift can also hold in excess of 500 hp,for how long i dont know but it can do it

I thought they(ford guys) were still up in the air over the whole puking coolant thing. Seems they think its a few issues, partialy the ability for the head gaskets to seal and also the egr issue???

Yeah Philip, I think it is a little of both.

I also heard a while back that they don't have near as many head-bolts as the Dmax does.

10 per head that actually do anything IIRC-:t :badidea:

well, hell, I thought it was pretty much a copy of the allison, guess it isn't. Sorry to doubt the know it all god mackin.

well, hell, I thought it was pretty much a copy of the allison, guess it isn't. Sorry to doubt the know it all god mackin.

You'll be OK if u bow down and kiss his FEET :badidea:

hE KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN I, am am but a small grasshopper, he big hopper. Much knowledge in brain, me not much knowledge.

hE KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN I, am am but a small grasshopper, he big hopper. Much knowledge in brain, me not much knowledge.
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Does anyone know the weakest gear in either the Ford or Dodge, and how much that particular gear can hold? Actually, I was looking for some numbers to compare to the 680tq of the Allison's 5th gear.

Does anyone know the weakest gear in either the Ford or Dodge.......


Does drive count?):h

You'll be OK if u bow down and kiss his FEET :badidea:
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lets change the name of this thread to " Come and bash Ford&Dodge"!! :lol: I'm in!

Bring back the war room.....

LOL, everyone seems to be doing ok with the off topic forum ;)