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: Basic Bio Questions


TxDoc
02-17-2005, 12:09 AM
Any sites strictly geared toward bio info?

Can you run conventional diesel fuel and run bio or alternative fuels without expensive or complicated modifications?

Are these fuels seen in major brands of fuel or mainly small, privately made and sold operations?

What are some ballpark figures for prices as compared to conventional diesel?

Thanks for the replies and info.

Bronco
02-17-2005, 01:55 AM
Any sites strictly geared toward bio info?

http://www.biodieselnow.com/

Can you run conventional diesel fuel and run bio or alternative fuels without expensive or complicated modifications?

You can run biodiesel at any percentage in your current disel with no modifications. Some older diesels have a few rubber componets that must be upgraded . 100 % biodiesel is not suitable for cold climates. It will cloud and or gel.

Are these fuels seen in major brands of fuel or mainly small, privately made and sold operations?

The companys that produce biodiesel are still small. Bluesun biodiesel is based in Colorado. They have over 100 crops in Colorado. They have B20 at 16 pumps across the state. http://www.gobluesun.com/ (http://www.gobluesun.com/)

What are some ballpark figures for prices as compared to conventional diesel?

3.00 per gallon for pure 100% percent biodisel. .30 more per gallon for a B20 blend when compared to the #2 at the same station.

Thanks for the replies and info.Good questions. If I messed up some of the answers maybe some of the veterans can help out. I am a relative newbie to bio. I have ran about 100 gallons of B20 through my Dmax. It is smooth and quiet with similar milage and power.

TxDoc
02-17-2005, 11:29 PM
Thanks Bronco! I appreciate the reply and have more reading to do this weekend.:)

King Nuzz
02-18-2005, 12:33 PM
TX Doc -

There's more good, detailed info on biodiesel at these 2 sites:

Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel

University of Idaho Biodiesel course (Technical and throrough):
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/Pages/biodiesel1.html

Enjoy!

Evolution05
02-18-2005, 10:42 PM
I was about to ask the exact same questions, glad i searched. thanks for the replies.

Im still a little scared about buying a 60K truck and putting an additive into the engine.

i definitely check those sites out. Thanks!

drywaller
02-20-2005, 11:39 PM
<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1> <!-- / icon and title -->anyone have anymore information about the production of bio diesel. Is there a "back-yard mechanic" approach to brewing this stuff?
Also, from what I have seen/know of this stuff is that it is, in most cases, priced higher than conventional diesel. If this continues to be the fact then who, aside from those with money to burn or the extreme "green", would buy it?
keep up the good info, Marco.

Bronco
02-20-2005, 11:55 PM
<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title -->anyone have anymore information about the production of bio diesel. Is there a "back-yard mechanic" approach to brewing this stuff?


Also, from what I have seen/know of this stuff is that it is, in most cases, priced higher than conventional diesel. If this continues to be the fact then who, aside from those with money to burn or the extreme "green", would buy it?
keep up the good info, Marco.The links provided give detailed info on how to brew yourself. The most difficult part is securing the wasted vegetable oil needed . If you can secure the oil, you can easily make your own.

Most of the stuff at the pumps is made on a larger comercial scale, although I have read of some homebrewers saling there stuff in jugs at service stations.

The fuel does cost more and that really does affect it's overall popularity. If it ever came into competitive pricing I am sure it would take off.

Really though, .30 extra per gallon is not to bad. 1000 gallons or 15000 miles of B20 would only be an extra 300 dollars. You have to weigh that extra 300 dollars against the reduced wear and tear on your engine along with other benifits.

mannytranny
02-21-2005, 12:02 AM
Its easy to make, if you are willing to obtain the skills.

It is all in the organization of materials. I was able to make it, and figured that it cost something like .80 / g. Not bad at all.

It was just hard/time consuming for me to do.

The basic process aint bad at all.

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

drywaller
02-21-2005, 02:12 AM
Im a bit confused. I have been reading about this all night. Some seem to think that it is harmfull to ones engineand others say it is less harmfull thatn dino-based fuels.
Also can one run non petro based fuels without having to preheat or run petro-based fuels at startup and shutdown?

drywaller
02-21-2005, 02:14 AM
one more question. This is off topic but I thought someone in here might know. Has anyone played with red (dyed) fuel and UV lights. I have and the results are very interesting...

mannytranny
02-21-2005, 10:40 AM
There is biodiesel, and SVO (straight vegetable oil). Biodiesel is SVO with the fat molecules stripped (transesterfication) from it. It has the general viscosity of diesel at room temps.

SVO is what you pour into the griddle to get the eggs to fry. This requires (well, thats opinion) a two tank system in which one is heated up (the one with the SVO in it) and the other used as a warm up and purge tank (filled with diesel).

The SVO is thick, and needs to be heated before it can flow through the fuel system.

Ide stick with biodiesel in the Duramax. Much better fuel than petrol diesel. As Super diesel says, it is the origional diesel fuel.