Who has ordered what?

I've bought a core that is my DTT test trans, still waiting on word before I order parts for it though...

I see in Mike's sig he is now a DTT dealer. Has the kits even been released yet?

Still sittin on the fence:confused: I need to know what kind of cash im going to have to part with. This is going to have to be an undetectable purchase, as MOMMA BEAR would not be happy if she found out that i purchased a tranny and not a RING:help2: Ive got several places to grab cash from, but i dont need her to find out:bawl: When this is released i think that a STAGE 2 is the way to go:clap: BTW Juice if i get caught its all your fault:D RIGHT. Idont want to be the only one that gets :nutkick: ):h ):h


DTT release some pricing so i can get this over with:rant:

Still sittin on the fence:confused: I need to know what kind of cash im going to have to part with. This is going to have to be an undetectable purchase, as MOMMA BEAR would not be happy if she found out that i purchased a tranny and not a RING:help2: Ive got several places to grab cash from, but i dont need her to find out:bawl: When this is released i think that a STAGE 2 is the way to go:clap: BTW Juice if i get caught its all your fault:D RIGHT. Idont want to be the only one that gets :nutkick: ):h ):h


DTT release some pricing so i can get this over with:rant:
How does one make an undetectable purchase?... well, seeing as how you haven't bought her that ring yet (LOL) you could buy both at the same time.... that would definately 'hide' it.
Think of it as an early engagement present.:eek: Sorry

I doubt anyone will buy into anything that doesn't come with product information. If DTT wants to get this product off the ground they need to let a little info. out past their inner circle of employees and friends and share with the public. Simply saying you have a superior product with reasonable pricing is not going to cut it. You can only maintain secrecy for so long before potential customers will just move on to other available products. (my position at this time) This poll is reflecting the lack of public information if anything.

Im going to feel bad if im the only one here with an account that the other one does not know about

From the talks I have had with them, I think the SII kit wll be in the the 1800-2 range. Then you put clutches/converter/gaskets/filters/fluid/custom machine work for setting clearance on assembly and your easily into the high 4k range to almost 5k.

DTT has released their products to their dealers so far, and will release all there info to everyone else very soon.

My stage 1 kit was ordered last week. Can't wait!!!

Im going to feel bad if im the only one here with an account that the other one does not know aboutI very much doubt you are alone there):h

Pricing is listed on their site in the forums. Look closely at the pics of the the parts and you'll see kit pricing.

Pricing is listed on their site in the forums. Look closely at the pics of the the parts and you'll see kit pricing.
Hmmm.... very interesting.
I do know one thing.
The Alto Clutches I have tested were NFG. The Stock Clutches seem to be the way to go.

Anyone else find this out?

Pricing is listed on their site in the forums. Look closely at the pics of the the parts and you'll see kit pricing.


Chad I couldn't find the Pictures and prices :help:

Chad I couldn't find the Pictures and prices :help:



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Just for Mac's :help:

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Phase 1 Cost: $675
Phase 2 Cost: $1700 (plus $900 core for case)

:duh: There BB I went to their store site,thanks.

Any HP limits on the stages,or what is,and warranties? Can't wait for the feed back should be interesting

Mike has his done yet? :D

http://www.dieseltrans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=559

Phase 1 Cost: $675
Phase 2 Cost: $1700 (plus $900 core for case)Looks like the 900 is refundable too.

Cool Beans!

Hasn't anyone installed one for a flogging yet?

Hasn't anyone installed one for a flogging yet?

I believe the kits where just released and shipped Monday of this week.

Soon

Well, I'm officially "on the fence", but would rather "wait to see what others think", since it is a brand new product with an entirely different design. (BTW, I think innovation is COOL!) :cool:

It would be nice to see a complete parts breakdown for both Stages, with all-inclusive lists of parts and prices to completely upgrade the transmission. Saying "maybe 4K to 5K for a Stage 2" is way too vague.
So, what converter would you recommend with a Stage 1, Stefan? Juice? :ro)

I too have "one of those accounts" started, DURATYS! ):h

Tom :pig:

Not to speak for the DTT bunch, but I do like the way of thinking they have approached this. Its no secret that the OEM clutches are excellent and since most builders have access to these, they dont include them normally as we as builders would pay the same they do for the most part. That also gives the builder the option of using them or stacking in some of the aftermarket options that are coming to the table. As for a converter, you cant go wrong with one from the big 3. Hey Bacon, put up some money and lets build a unit... you could be the MI test whore!

Hasn't anyone installed one for a flogging yet?Flogged the crap out of a stage1 for 6 months
Racing
Towing
Hot Shot
Daily Driving

Eric....I'm seriously considering it. :deal: Stage 1 or 2 for my use?

Oh, BTW....you got a super compliment from a DMax owner on my route. Your SM told his father (another DMaxer) that you are "One of the BEST Diesel Techs in Michigan"!!! :ro)

I had to correct the guy....you are the best Diesel Tech in Michigan! :rockit:

Tom :pig:

Flogged the crap out of a stage1 for 6 months
Racing
Towing
Hot Shot
Daily Driving
and in the end, what condition were the guts in? You never did tell me.

Tom :pig:

Well, I'm officially "on the fence", but would rather "wait to see what others think", since it is a brand new product with an entirely different design. (BTW, I think innovation is COOL!) :cool:

It would be nice to see a complete parts breakdown for both Stages, with all-inclusive lists of parts and prices to completely upgrade the transmission. Saying "maybe 4K to 5K for a Stage 2" is way too vague.
So, what converter would you recommend with a Stage 1, Stefan? Juice? :ro)

I too have "one of those accounts" started, DURATYS! ):h

Tom :pig:
I have their single disc convertor and am well pleased with it. My experience has ONLY been with a single disk.
I probably have 100 passes on the 1/4 with it (some on track some off;) )
and 35K Miles hard towing on it; and about 20 dyno pulls.
It goes about it's business quite well. One thing i can say is that the stall speed is very low, and there is not much RPM drop between shifts.
Having said that, I have not tried the triple disk convertors and cannot make a fair comparison about that. The convertor i have is not for sale at this time. But it is the same one i had in since my transgo days and has not slipped, moaned, shuddered, ballooned, or any other shenanigans to date.
FWIW, the pricing difference between Stage1 and Stage2 is relatively cheap. If i was going to DTT, IMHO i would opt for Stage 2 and be done with it.

Looking at the website infers a couple of things. The first is that they don't want to alienate buyers by telling them they 'have to' use a certain convertor and the second is that clutch preference is left up to the customer/builder.
Interesting.
We have tried the Altos, and found them to be less durable than OEM.
My Stage2 has all OEM clutches built into it.

Anyhow, Judging by the orders placed, there have been more than a few people 'just looking' at the DTT transmission.
Me, I have paid the $$$$ both in parts cost, vacation time spent at DTT, and time without the vehicle for testing testing testing.

Glad to see the fruits of their labours garnering such notice. Even happier to be a small part in it's development.

As for the Twins, I suppose they picked me for development because of my commitment to performance and possibly as thanks for my small time contribution in the R&D process. Other than that, I do not know. There were a lot of DMX enthusiasts a whole lot closer to DTT than me. I suppose I am just lucky to have their trust.

Thanks Juice. So it's kind of a "start with their custom parts, then buffet-style for the rest" type of thing.

I kinda like that idea, it gives a lot of options to the customer/builder!

Tom

:duh: There BB I went to their store site,thanks.

Any HP limits on the stages,or what is,and warranties? Can't wait for the feed back should be interesting

Mike has his done yet? :D
Mac
Mike has not seen his yet. It is in route, should have it by Tues. next week. I can not say anything till I see it and evaluate it. I will also be bound by DTT and not say anything untill they give the ok.

Mike will you be trying a tripple disk in yours?

):h Juice
Send me that converter ( single disc) and I will send it back smoked. We here in CA may not make a lot of horsepower but we sure know how to put down a single disc fast.:cool:
mike:ro)

and in the end, what condition were the guts in? You never did tell me.

Tom :pig:
C1 and C2 had factory clutches (billet DTT pistons C1 and 2 as per stage1), DTT had increased pressures over factory.
Results: C1 and C2 clutches and Steels looked in good condition .

C3 and C4 we used for testing the ALTO clutches, C3 and C4 pistons were factory items.
Results: FUUUBAR! C3 was cooked, Checked and was starting to delaminate
C4 was in the same condition. All steels were thrown in file the garbage. I guess yellow is not a fashionable colour for Kolene?

C5 was in good condition.

Bill did say that towing was one of the better tests for a modded allison. I never run below 400 RWHP when towing (usually 19-21GCVW). As a result there was slight wear on the critical C2 clutches, but they were and are being reused! Steels were in good shape as well.

I guess towing in the mountains can be as brutal or more so than just 1/4 mile runs in an unloaded truck.

Anyhow, I will not try to 'sell' anyone this trans. Do I like it? You bet! Is it better than the other choices? Some people are already switching. Some are switching to try it, some are switching because of lack of success elsewhere.
How does it shift? Like a modded TH400 but not as harsh. There is no 'slippy' feeling between gears. You are either in the next gear or you are not. I don't feel the need to endorse anyone's product, in fact i would be terrible at it. When the others that have switched are all installed with their new transmissions they will be the ones to make the A B C comparisons valid. I can't do that because i have never had a Stage5 Suncoast or an ATS Trans.

Hope this does not confuse anyone
J

):h Juice
Send me that converter ( single disc) and I will send it back smoked. We here in CA may not make a lot of horsepower but we sure know how to put down a single disc fast.:cool:
mike:ro)
Mike, I'd love to send the convertor to you.
After Stefan skins me for doing that, it will probably end up in his truck though:D

Juice, your only doing what everybody else does, nothing wrong with promoting what you use if you like it.

I agree, go with the S II and be done if doing it, you need to address the C3 and 4's in a proper build.

Tomac expressed interest in 'testing' a unit too.. might need to make a test mule out of this core I have...

Juice, your only doing what everybody else does, nothing wrong with promoting what you use if you like it.

I agree, go with the S II and be done if doing it, you need to address the C3 and 4's in a proper build.

Tomac expressed interest in 'testing' a unit too.. might need to make a test mule out of this core I have...
Do u think Mike could 'flog' it enough :muahaha:


What's this I read about u and a big purple hair drier?

DTT's approach seems very interesting. Does DTT plan to offer a complete trans package with a warranty? If so what is an approximate price?

So far I've seen the Phase I ($675) consisting of DTT's new "trick" C1 & C2 pistons and C1 clutch housing/components. Phase II ($1700) includes Phase I items along with a modified case and C3/C4 pistons. These are in kit form and would require professional installation, additional parts (i.e., clutches, gaskets, filters, etc.), a converter up to the task, not to mention freight costs.

I've estimated the complete cost of a Phase II to be at least 5K, but my major concern is since it's not assembled (at least for the present time) by DTT, who'd warranty the trans?

I believe Suncoast Stage 5 has a two year warranty and ATS carries a similar warranty. When I spend 4-5K on a super trans I expect a warranty of some kind.

I NEED a trans upgrade NOW but would hate to spend the money only to find a better choice is just 'round the corner..........

I NEED a trans upgrade NOW but would hate to spend the money only to find a better choice is just 'round the corner..........

You take that chance every day.-:t Go buy the best computer money can buy today, wait a while and go see the dif with whats new. I know this isnt a verry good comparison.......but it still holds true.............better products come out all the time its a chance weve got to take. Keep her stock if ya dont want to play.

Well, try the DTT trans and put a SunCoast Tripple-Lock in it if you want a good converter.:D



.......... Now that's living on the EDGE! :eek:


Not that DTT doesn't have something that's good...... it's just that it has yet to be proven on the open market.:confused: If you are really worried about failure.....then you will not be top dog. If you want a good transmission right now,turn-key style, buy a SunCoast or an ATS with a warrenty and be done with it. All that you could loose in two years is "maybe" some down time. These 'builders' are always looking for ways to improve the transmission. If your builder were to find out that there 'could be' a problem..... they will ask you to bring the truck in {I say that because I know Joe would} for an update. It is cheaper form them to do that than to have bad press and have a *free* rebuild/install on their hands. ;)


OR.......... just wait another 6 months for the DTT trans to pan out.

My stage 1 came in this morning!! Gonna start the install Monday morning. Woo-hoo, can't wait!!!!

My stage 1 came in this morning!! Gonna start the install Monday morning. Woo-hoo, can't wait!!!!
Man do you have self-control. Going to wait until monday AM?
Cash in the sick days..lol and Gitrdoone!:eek:

My sponsor called this morning. He was so exited to get the kit in ASAP. He also said that he likes what he sees in the kit. I'd bring it to him today but a few guys are coming over this week end to do a little snow thrashing on the local trails. My other K3500 really isn't up to that task(no lift)

Will keep you all updated.

Is DTT a supporting vendor here at the Place?

Lets just clarify this for those who may have the same question as BMDMAX (although I don't see why anyone would care other that Nick) DTT has been a supporting Vendor since Sept 04. We haven't even sent a banner yet.

hmmm, I didnt see the "supporting vendor" status either Brandon...

hmmm, I didnt see the "supporting vendor" status either Brandon...On the members list, you can see a "+" sign by the supporting vendors names. At least that seems consistant with all the vendors here

Wonder why this question is surfacing again?
No strings attatched of course;)

It matters to a lot of members if they do business with supporting vendors. If it didn't matter to us, there would be less of an incentive for supporting vendors to support this forum.:thumb:

It matters to a lot of members if they do business with supporting vendors. If it didn't matter to us, there would be less of an incentive for supporting vendors to support this forum.:thumb:

:exactly:

:exactly:
I Gotcha. No Banner.
I figured the + sign next to their name in the forum 'who's online' list meant that it is a confirmed Vendor.

I am sure they will add a banner soon.

It usually says it below the user name in their profile. Instead of Diesel Enthusiast, it says supporting vendor. That may be what you all are calling a banner?

No, He means the ads on the top right of the pages.

Yeah I pay full price but just haven't sent an ad yet, I don't know why it doesn't say supporting vendor.

You take that chance every day.-:t Go buy the best computer money can buy today, wait a while and go see the dif with whats new. I know this isnt a verry good comparison.......but it still holds true.............better products come out all the time its a chance weve got to take. Keep her stock if ya dont want to play. Good point, and to illustrate it the computer configuration I bought last July can't even be bought today, and the closest (better) one is 20% cheaper......

After 2 years and 100,000 km of hot juice abuse Ali is pretty tired, and I'm ready to raid the cookie jar fund. We're so close to finding out if DTT is a better approach, and this is not an insignificant investment.

But your right, at some point you got to.....:grd:

I Gotcha. No Banner.
I figured the + sign next to their name in the forum 'who's online' list meant that it is a confirmed Vendor.

I am sure they will add a banner soon.Partsguy662 told me that "+" sign meant they were on your buddy list.

Hey Eric! Does being a TEST MULE qualify me for a price break? ):h

Tom

DTT is a Supporting vendor.

I don't know WHY it doesn't appear under their names as Stefan and Bill Kondolay are DTT.
I'll bring this to the Admins attention.

Just to clarify so there is no confusion

Ok, back on topic.....

I'm putting together my lists of parts.....
Do you still have to use the Transgo kit?

What clutches would you guys recommend for the Stage 2 kit? I don't know who manufactures the stockers. I've been searching, and found Raybestos X-32 clutches along with Alto Red Eagles. I know a lot of you are starting to question the Altos.....


Lastly, what with all the battling back and forth on the trans forums, if you use another makers converter, will your trans blow up due to spite? :joke:

Tom :cool:

BorgWarner makes the oem clutches and the lining for the converter clutch. Raybestos make a replacement clutch which is suppose to be better than oem. They also make a one sided C2 clutch called a Z-Pak. There are 2 testers on this board testing them and I am one of them. No coment yet. As far as converters go, you can use any converter with any combination without worry. I am using Trippins ATS converter at present for testing with Raybestos clutches. That will change very soon as I will be testing 3 other converters and different clutches. I will make a comparo when I am done. ( same truck, same program, same driver) Drag strip times will not be relavent and won't be considered since I feel it wont matter.Almost all of our driving is done on the street, towing and such and that is my primary concern. For you guys that are pushing the power envelope( 600 hp and above), you might need custom tweeking on the converter. Anything below that number wont matter.

mike

Mike

Your going to wear them bolts out! Watch out for the driveshaft U-joint strap bolts,kinda soft.I keep a spare on ..... :D

Forget this :secret: stuff,your in the :driver:'s seat,let her rip

Thanks Mike, for all the good info. When do you think your research results will be published?

One ?? on converters.....do all of the "Big 3" act the same under use? I don't think anyone ever got into a converter test, and describe stall speeds, torque mult, behaviors, etc...

Not trying to stir the pot, but want info...if converter info like that shouldnt be broadcast, shoot me a PM......

Tom

Not trying to stir the pot, but want info...if converter info like that shouldnt be broadcast, shoot me a PM......

Tom
If'n he tells u he'll have to KILL U, ask yourself IS IT WORTH IT?


:grd: :muahaha:

If'n he tells u he'll have to KILL U, ask yourself IS IT WORTH IT?


:grd: :muahaha:

I'll just hop in my DMax and outrun the bullets! :lol:

Tom :pig:

Tom, doing two trannies tomarrow if your bored....

Tom, doing two trannies tomarrow if your bored....
I wish I could, but Roni's in Detroit at a conference all Saturday. :( Maybe Sunday if you're still at it.

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Just for Mac's :help:
:funnypost :funnypost :funnypost

):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h

Tom, both of them done...

A SC III and a ATS refresh!

I just wanted to say Hi,
I'm Tom from Fine Tuning in monteal
Just did the DTT Stage 1 in duramaxdiesel's truck
After a small VB twek I must say vary HAPPY!!!
Tranytom

P.S.

Look for someone to be the first stage 2
:cool2:

I just wanted to say Hi,
I'm Tom from Fine Tuning in monteal
Just did the DTT Stage 1 in duramaxdiesel's truck
After a small VB twek I must say vary HAPPY!!!
Tranytom

P.S.

Look for someone to be the first stage 2
:cool2:
Welcome to the WolfPack!:ro)

Any more? ........... BIG QUESTION..... Who's TQ are you going to use?

I think that Bill at DTT is right with no more piston apply area to hold the addtional clutchs your going to loose clamp load. Plus I don't feel it's the lock-up that's the problem. I feel that under large boost there is to much slip for lock-up apply to deal with. That's why T/H work so will for drag, lock-up comes on after the 1-2 shift not giving the torque time to run away. So for the price for now I'm going to use a billet cover, one clutch unit from here in canada.

Tom