Okay, this is not exactly pickups here, but it is a diesel.
I have been looking at these little 4wd tractors from about 28 to 35 hp. I want to use it with a front end loader to move gravel, dirt and snow and to push brush. May mow with someday.
My question is for those of you that have one of these, what kind do you have and what model number do you have. What are the good, bad and ugly things about that model, and would buy another one?

Here are the brands I have looked at so far, and I didn't have any idea that there were this many different kinds.
1 John Deere- duh
2. Case/New Holland- they are one and the same now.
3. Mahindra
4. Montana
5. Branson
6. Cub Cadet/Yanmar
7.Kubota

What are your opinions?
Thanks.

I have a Kubota 3130 and it is great but I wish I would have gotten a bigger one

Stick with Kubota or New Holland if nothing other than parts concerns. Those funky brands are very hard to get parts. Ive got a 37hp '68 Ford 3000 with loader. It doesnt need 4wd. if I get stuck I just use the bucket and pull'er forward. If I was to get a newer one tho' it would have 4WD.

I moved over here.
I had a Kubota L2900 w/ loader and 7.5' hoe used it for 4 years or so and it did OK but was on small side so moved up to the big frame NH. the hydro worked a lot better for me than the GST.
I had a NH TC35D and it was a good tractor, the loaders on them take skid steer attachments which works good for renting stuff. the super steer was nice w/ the 84" belly mower, my new 60" zero turn mower won't cut the yard any faster.

I traded it in for a Deere 110 hoe. so far it's been real good but it's only got 30 hours on it.

I've got a JD 5210. When I was looking, I wanted something like you've mentioned but I discovered they are relatively overpriced for what you get and you can buy more tractor for little if any more money. I've got a Quicke front end loader on it, with the soft drive option which adds a nitrogen filled bladder within the hydraulic system to act as a shock absorber when driving with a load in the bucket. It can be switched out of circuit with the flipping of a lever so you have a solid system like most loaders (better for digging) but I find I use the soft drive most of the time since it really saves pounding on the loader and tractor frame as I drive with weight up front.
I think the medium sized tractors represent a good value because farmers will sometimes want to upgrade to something bigger as they get more land, yet "gentleman" farmers want the compacts and don't consider the bigger ones because they're "too big."
Within reason, I'm not sure there is such a thing as too much horsepower or too big a tractor. Mine is great, but if I had one with 20 more hp, that would work fine, too!

I have a case 395 with a 3 cyl. diesel its a little under powered but it does what i ask.

Duromax04,

I have a 2003 Kubota 4630 (46 engine HP, 39 PTO HP, hydro trans) we use for farm & grounds work as well as occasional construction. It's a great machine that I should be able to pass along to the kids :). Questions and a few thoughts:
- How much land are you taking care of? A bigger acreage or farm tends to mean a bigger tractor...
- Will you be doing finish lawn mowing or pasture 'brush-hogging'? How many acres and how hilly? Rough mowing on hills is hard work for a small tractor, and points toward more HP. We max out our machine on about 40 acres of fairly hilly pasture; about an acre per hour of 4 ft tall, growth once a year.
- If you're using the front end loader for more than moving gravel and mulch, i.e. digging, it should be on the beefy side.
- Dealer support is REALLY important, especially for a 1st compact tractor: Fair pricing, parts availability, good service staff, help getting started etc. IMO this is what makes the difference in choosing between brands. I started out looking at Deere, but found the local Kubota dealer was much better (and even a little cheaper) than the nearest Deere shop. That could be different in your area.
- I'd recommend a hydrostatic trans and 4WD. Huge difference in loader work. Also if more than 1 person uses the machine - easier and simpler.
- If you can afford a second hydraulic circuit & control at the loader, go for it. You can install a 'grapple' fork above the bucket for handling brush. This is one thing I wish I had on my machine.
- Brands? Deere is very good, and often cheaper than Kubota in some parts of the country. I've heard that they have several manufacturing sources for their compacts nowadays. It used to be that Yanmar built all of Deere's machines under about 45 HP - great machines. Nowdays Yanmars are yellow and black: Cub Cadet Yanmars are priced just below Kubota and Deere. NH, Case IH, and Massey Ferguson are also good. Some folks in our area like Mahindra for the $, but in general, I'd stay away from compacts that don't have Japanese or US 'guts' unless budget is really tight.
I'm very happy with my Kubotas. I bought an old G6200 garden tractor as a lawn mower as well. Again, it boils down to dealer support and parts availability for the serious user. Kubota also makes most of their own parts and components, which is a plus for long term use.
- If you have small acreage, and don't need a bigger machine, you may find some good deals on used machines in the 25-30 HP range. Many are low-hour trade-ins from people who upgraded to bigger tractors. In the 35-40 HP size, there are far fewer used tractors, at least in the northeast. These tend to get bought & kept long term. They hold their value.
- The 'Machine Underground' website has some knowledgeable folks who can be of help. http://machineunderground.com/

Keep us posted, and good luck.:)

We have a MF 1523, and love it. We got the smallest of the 1500 series because of its nimble design.

Depending on your needs, I would get AG (R1) tires. IMHO, the R4 tires are not the best, depends on your soil conditions tho. They gum up so quick, it is scary. We are waiting for turf tires for ours

All compacts are based out of Japan, but if you buy one of the big ag branded models, MF, CNH, JD, or Kubota, parts support will not be a problem.

The Mahindras are rebadged Mitsubishis also sold as cub cadets in years past. Great little tractors. Almost bullet proof.
Check out tractorbynet.com

my New Holland TC24d is a piece of junk. I'll go back to Deere or Kubota next.

I run the CIH DX18e and DX55 both run real well for being red New hollands but i noticed this year the CIH dealer i bought them from now pushes kubota and cub cadet so if you find the right dealer you should be able to work them over on different brands like i plan on doing this summer

Kubota seems to be a really nice quality machine. Their engines are in alot of machines and have been tested and provend many times-Bobcat for example. I'm a john deere man but the quality has really dropped on the smaller tractors in the last few years. When they switched from the 55 series to like the 4,000 series. A nice john deere 955 would be a good find. My dad and I used to sell small jap tractors by the lowboy load when the gettin was good. Amazing how tough the little yanmars are, which john deere bought out back in the 80's sometime.

Can't beat a Kubota. I've owned a 98 JD 5400 ( 65 HP 4x4 Turbo ) and it was great. Just too much tractor for my needs. I own a 04 Kubota L-35 TLB with 1900 hours on it ( all mine and 0 problems). I reguarly use a NH TC 45, 45 HP Boomer 4x4 with Super Steer, Hydro trans, loader and a JD 4520 ( 53 HP 4x4 loader, Power Reverser trans) , and a JD110 TLB. The NH hydro trans sucks literally. You can't push into a pile and work the loader at the same time the way they have the pump setup. The trans sucks the hyd power from the loader. Also the trans likes to lock up the tires on downhills sending you into a underwear pinching slide. The steering is awesome. The JD compacts have no frame and are way over priced for what you get. Also the quick dismount loader is horrible for any kind of finish grading work. The mount floats around so the bucket won't hold flat. The JD 110 I have found to work well but has a undercarraige susceptable to rocks etc ( too much hyd lines hang down in harms way) and I find the loader control to be stiff to use. The backhoe on it is SWEET!!
For my money tho my next machine is going to be a Kubota M-59 TLB.

I would look into a JD, Ive heard the kubotas have crappy steel on the loader and you can bend them up easy.

If you really want a kick ass tractor get a JD 5500N, I think they are 89 engine hp and 75pto hp. Has a 4cyl turbo engine that fires up at below 0 temps with no block heater. Its also pretty easy on fuel for the power it has.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=45400&d=1197128922

I have a deere 4400 and love it. No matter what you buy, you will want a bigger one eventually. Take a look at what you want to do, talk to your dealer and see what they suggest and then buy about two sizes bigger. The biggest issue is going to be budget. I agree that you can buy a small farm tractor for about the same money that you buy these little compacts for but if you want to transport it or store it in a garage, you need to stay compact. If you have a barn, buy what you want.

I shopped for about two years befor buying.....I really got tired of hearing everyone say that their tractor was just a good as a deere....I did the comparison. It really came down to deere and new holland. The engineereing in the deere is just better. I can put my bucket on or take it off in less than one minute. Seating is comfortable. Every time I want to do anything with this rig it does it with ease. Bush hog, mow, box blade, till, loader. Great all around purchase....Still think so after six years.

Although I am partial to green. I think you will not go wrong with the major players. I would go and sit on and operate all you are considering and see what fits you best. I would say though....Stay away from the cheepos. If it is made somewhere than the US. Don't touch it.

Good luck

Wow, thanks for all the responses. I have driven now a JD 3120, 3520, NH TC34DA, Mahindra 2615, Cub Cadet Yanmar 3200. I am not sure I like the Heal and Toe Hydro of the NH, and Mahindra, but it wasn't to bad. I like the two pedal system better, like the JD and the CC/Yanmar.
I really liked the NH for the loader, because it had a much bigger bucket. Also, in my test to see if the hydraulics could do two loader functions at the same time, it really did the best of all I had tested.
I also liked the little CC/Yanmar. It was fairly light, but the little engine was strong and quiet. It is the same engine as the JD. I am not sure of the build quality, but it is basically a JD 3203 model with different paint, and a 3 range hydro instead of 2.

The JD was probably the best built of all of them. It had the most solid feel to it, but I felt like the 3120 was a little underpowered for it's size. The 35 seemed a little better.

I really like the NH because all the controls are on the fenders and easily marked. What I didn't like about it was that the engine surged while running, and the oil filter was very difficult to get to, and there was very little fuel filter in it. Also, when you removed the loader, there was still a lot of bracket left on the machine.

I looked a the Kaboto L35 or something like that, but didn't like their fit and finish and their ergonomics didn't jive with me.

I have good dealers in all these brands close to me, so that shouldn't be an issue. The CC/Yanmar is by far the lowest price for what you are getting. The JD are not as far away as I thought they would be if you shop around. The NH has two good dealers close. So there are plusses and minuses to each of them. Some are two light, some are undered powered. some lack the options I want.

I have it narrowed to 3 the JD 3320, the NH TC34DA, and the CC/Yanmar, 3200. All have dealer support close by.
I am currently using my Brother's Ford 3210 with a WestinDorff 25 loader. It does a fair job, and is 42 horse, but it doesn't fit on my trailer, so hauling it to the farm would be a drag. It has syncro mess trans, but you still have to clutch everytime you change directions. I would like something a little smaller in physical size more than anything, so I can fit it on my trailer.
I live on a place with 3.5 acres, and have some farm ground 55 miles North about 120 acres. This is where this tractor would be used.
My Brother wants me to buy this 3910 from him. Only has 720 hrs on it. Not sure I want to do that or not.

Thanks for all your help.

What do you plan to do with the tractor on 120 acres? If you plan on "farming" or cutting much of it, your choices are too small IMO. If you are just going to screw around up there, and need a smaller tractor so you can transport it, then I understand.
Good luck.

What kind of trailer do you have and whats the gvw of it?

I won't mow with it much if any. At home I have a GrassHopper zero turn, and my Dad mows my farm for hay and fall pastures his cattle on it. Basically, this thing would move rock, snow and dirt, and push brush, ie hedge trees after I cut them down into the fire. The only mowing I would do, would be brush hogging where they don't hay. Will also spread fertilizer and seed at the house as well.

The trailer I have was a Cattle trailer that got rolled and I bought it from the insurance company, and cut the top off, reinforced the floor and used it to haul cars. It has 14K worth of axles under it, so load capacity is not the issue. I have hauled mini excavators, and skid loaders on this with no issues. The issue is that the 3910 hangs over the sides on the back tires, and I can't get the rear of the tractor past the fenders. So, the tractor sits on the tail of the trailer. I hauled it down to my house that way, but was nervous about it. 56miles.

I am amazed at the price differences between JD dealers. The other brands I have looked at have been basically the same, but the JDs have been as much as 2,200 difference for the same rig. Had one guy show me a 4105 JD. 40hp, and bigger chassis, but cheaper than the 3320. No tilt wheel, and a 2 speed hydro instead of 3. Not sure how important that is. What do you guys think? Is the 3 range that much better than the 2 speed?
Thanks again for your help.

Here is a pic of the tractor on the trailer. It's a phone pic, so it is not very good.

The reason I asked about the trailer is I wanted to know the problem you had wit the 3910. If I was you I think I would look for a narrow JD. They were made for vinyards so they are narrow but can handle about 10x the work a little compact can do.

The cab tractor in the picture I have above can be set to just 5' wide. Its set to 5.5' if I can remember. You can get them with or without a cab and in 2wd or 4wd. You can get a good used one cheaper then a new compact and they last for forever it seems like. There is alot of vineyards and orchards here so everyone has these and they wont die. They get used and abused every day all year around with pretty much zero problems.

What I love about the 5500N is it does it all. Moves dirt, snow, fits down grape rows, plows fields, pulls cars and trucks out in the winter. With 75pto hp it can do alot. It has 2 PTO speeds, 540 and 540E. The 540E runs the pto at 540 at 1600rpm so it saves alot of fuel. The loader & 3pt will pick up 3850lbs, not sure what a compact will pick up.

I like the compacts and want one but with a farm your size I think a narrow is the way to go. It will be a great backup tractor and you cant beat the price. My dad looked at a brand new narrow JD 2wd and it was only 16k. If you need it to be wider you can flip the rims and get it up to 8ft wide.

Thanks for the tip, I am going to go to tractorhouse and look up that model.

Take Care.

I think they made the narrow models in 5500, 5510, 5520, 5525, 5400, 5310, 5410, not sure on narrows for the 20 or 25 for the 53 or 54. I think the 54 was 65ptohp, 53 was 55ptohp.

They are the same tractor as the regular tractor just narrow, there is a 5500 whish is a big one and a 5500N, same thing just narrow.

I think I have made up my mind. I am going to get a JD 3520 with a loader. Priced around and found a pretty good deal here pretty close to me. It is rated in their book at 37 hp. It has a little turbo on it. I have never seen such a small turbo. Looks like a hair dryer. I hope will be heavy enough to get the power to the ground. I am supposed to pick it up Friday.
Thanks for all the input.

I think I seen a 3720 with a cab at the fair last year st the JD dealer tent. I wanted that little monster. Would be a good fuel saver fo the grapes. Everyone here uses the big JD narrows. They need the power to run those big mist sprayers but that 3720 would be perfect for weed spraying and cutting the grass.

I have a Kubota L3430GST and I love it. It's perfect for me. The important thing to establish is the size/power of tractor you need. You can actually get a tractor that's too big (hard to get into small places, turn around, etc). Too little power/weight can be a problem too. Be realistic with your expectations and needs, and you'll not go wrong.

Regarding the typical brand wars, it's a lot like GM/Ford/Dodge. Everyone has their preference.

I have the fortune of having a dealer (Edwards Equipment, Danville, IN) nearby that sells both Kubota and Deere. That's rare to find a dealer that carries more than one brand. He wasn't even the closest dealer of either brand, but I liked the way they treated me. A few things sold me on the Kubota. Around central Indiana, your dollar will buy a bit more Kubota than Deere. Further, for any given spec (weight, 3-point capacity, bucket lift capacity, etc) the Kubota came out just a bit ahead in almost everything. But what really sold me was that the dealer said that he sells more than 4 Kubota's for every Deere. He said the rental yards and small private construction guys love them because they're super reliable. He also said that the Deere's have been slipping a bit in quality, in his opinion, but I have basis to judge that. He told me that most of the compact Deeres he sells go to home owners that have "green in their blood". For big agricultrural equipment, I think Deere, Case, New Holland are hard to beat. But for compact tractors (20-45 PTO horsepower) you will find it hard to beat a Kubota.

Another thing to look for is long term dealer support. We've had the New Holland dealership close, move, and re-open 3 times in the last 15 years around Indy. Case and Massy are too far away; dealers are spread out to far. Seems like Kubota and Deere are the only ones that seem to stay put and survive long term, dealership wise. You should check your area for such things too.

Just got a flyer in the mail CaseIH has 0% financing on compact tractors may just go upgrade mine for a new 1

He also said that the Deere's have been slipping a bit in quality, in his opinion.

I dont want to agree with that but Ive heard the same. But at the same time Ive heard the kubotas have also gone down in quality. I heard the compact JDs have better loaders then kubota. Kubota uses low quality steel, thats what I hear.

Biggest problem i see with these compact tractors is tractor is too light for loaders make sure it weight them heavy for loader work i had to add fluid to tires on my DX55 still tends to want to lean

Ive seem some pics of those chinese tractors broke in half from loader use. Cheap POS :rolleyes:

Well, brought it home and have played with it a little. The little turbo is a hoot to listen to. It does add some grunt when you pull it hard. I got 0% for 42 months, with a $1,000 down. Thought that was pretty good.
I like it and think it will be pretty handy to have around. I am going to sell the 4 wheeler that I use to spray with and pull things around with, now that I have this to use. The sprayer pulls the battery down on the ATV badly, but the tractor should have no problem running that pump.

It came with the smaller tires, which I was a little disappointed with. I like the larger tire option that they have for these. Need to find some to put on it.

It is a little light for the HP, so I am going to have the welding shop make me a ballast box for the back, to help offset the loader. That will help get some power to the ground.
The tires had 30 psi in the back, so I let them down to 10 and that was still to stiff, so I have them down the 6.5, and they still don't squat at all. The fronts I took from 40 to 25. It does handle better that is for sure.
I will have to add air back in when I get the ballast box on the back.

Duromax, you made a big mistake, you forgot to post some pictures for us.

What kind of tires are they, R4?

Who makes the engine, yanmar?

I would get the rears filled with fluid, you will notice a huge difference in traction. My dads 5500 has all 4 tires filled and that thing will move some stuff. My 484 also has all 4 tires filled. When my dad had new tires put on the 140 he didnt have fluid put in, what a mistake. We use it for cultivating and in this heavy clay ground that tractor is all over the place. With fluid in the old tires it worked great.

I have a JD 4110 3 cyl. Diesel. I think it is 20 HP. It wolks great with the loader, 60 inch mower and a 55 inch tiller. I like the Kubota also but got the JD because of the brake set up. On the Kubota the foot pedal for the Hydro trans is on the right and so are the individual wheel brakes. On my JD I can control the go with my right foot and use the individual rear brakes to turn shorter or in many cases when moving snow it helps to hold the front end straight when it starts to slide.

I seen a new compact gaybota today broke down in some guys yard. Ive heard they had alot of trouble with the new ones.

It is a little light for the HP, so I am going to have the welding shop make me a ballast box for the back, to help offset the loader. That will help get some power to the ground.

get a 30 gallon barrel and built a 3pt set up in it then fill it w/ concrete is a cheap counter weight. drop it off at a concrete plant and they sometimes will fill it for free w/ left over mix. I'm going to have to put something on the back of mine for when the hoe is off and I have to use the loader. I don't like to fill tires and have all the extra weight to haul around when it's not needed.

John Deere 4720.......try one and you will be sold, nuff said.:D

Great thread, im in the market for a JD 2320 or 2520 with the 200 CX loader/ 62'' belly mower. Any body have any info on these? I know the Yanmar is a great engine. DUROMAX= Get some pics of that new JD up! i want to see it!

Okay, this is the only picture I have taken so far, and it was when I was on the way home, I stopped to get something to eat and snapped it with my phone.

I looked at a lot of tractors this size before deciding on this one. The top three tractors that I was looking at were this one, and the NH TC34DA, and the Cub Cadet/Yanmar 3200.
They all had things that I liked and disliked, but in the end I picked the JD because of it's ease of maintenance and features. I liked the turbo and the fact that it has cruise control, speedo, and a host of other goodies that the other didn't seem to have. It was also 37hp which was the highest of the group and it was not the most expensive at 20,400. I liked the loader on the NH a little better because it used skid loader buckets, which would make finding buckets much easier.
Go to John Deere's web site to find out about the 2000 series. Also, you can go to tractorhouse.com to see what is for sale in your area. I found them to be very helpful in my search.

I will post more pics when I get it out again.

Nice tractor Duromax, I want one but with a back hoe. I dont see a exhaust stack on it, you better get that fixed. I like those tires, I think those take road wear better then ag tread.

How did the JD compare in price to the others?

Price wise, it did compare. In fact it was a little cheaper than the new holland and had 3 more hp. Which doesn't seem like much, but when you are talking about 35 hp, 3 hp is a pretty high percentage.

It has the R-4 tires, which are overkill for this tractor, but don't tear the grass as badly as AG tire do.

They sent me my remote hydraulic hook up kit and wow is it a pain in the butt.
Look at this picture.
Also figured out that you can change the wheel around and make them stick out further than they came, so I did that as well. Need to get a weight box for it, and a box blade. Probably won't go with fluid, because there are times when I will want it light, for spreading Fert, Seed, and spraying.

It didnt come with a rear hydraulic? I thought everything came with one.

The JD 5500 has 3 on back

most compacts don't come w/ rear hyd. but they have kits to add them. my Kubota kit was like $800+ for dual remotes and the NH was $250 for first and $200ea. for the next 2. I made the dealer put them on after I agreed on the deal and they both did it.

most of the compact owners don't even know what the rear hydraulics are for, they just mow and play w/ the loader. myself I can't get along w/o my hydraulic top link. so now I've got to build a valve system to use on my 110 since the rear hydraulics are a $2000factory only option.

I've got a 970 John Deere with 440 front loader and 8B back hoe attachment. Great combination but a hydrostatic for front loader work would be nice. Had a smaller Kabota previously but like the Deere much better. The Kobota was a good tractor but my business pardner's son could manage to break it once in a while. Of course the difference in size makes it an unfair comparison.
I believe Deere no longer makes the 970 or 440 front loader but if you can find a good used one you couldn't go wrong. I got mine from a local dealer as an orchard rental with 68 hours on it. Now has over 700 hours of hard work and not one single problem.
Have a son-in-law who bought a cheap Chinese tractor and a friend who bought some off brand tractor made who knows where. Both have had numerous problems and the parts for the Chinese tractor are hard to get for some reason. Maybe he should try Wal-Mart as they have a direct pipeline to Chinese products.

I've got a 970 John Deere with 440 front loader and 8B back hoe attachment. Great combination but a hydrostatic for front loader work would be nice. Had a smaller Kabota previously but like the Deere much better. The Kobota was a good tractor but my business pardner's son could manage to break it once in a while. Of course the difference in size makes it an unfair comparison.
I believe Deere no longer makes the 970 or 440 front loader but if you can find a good used one you couldn't go wrong. I got mine from a local dealer as an orchard rental with 68 hours on it. Now has over 700 hours of hard work and not one single problem.
Have a son-in-law who bought a cheap Chinese tractor and a friend who bought some off brand tractor made who knows where. Both have had numerous problems and the parts for the Chinese tractor are hard to get for some reason. Maybe he should try Wal-Mart as they have a direct pipeline to Chinese products.


In farm show they talked about those china tractors and said your supposed to get parts easy for them. Id like to see if I coukd tear one up.

Duromax04, I own a landscape business and I have had serval brands. When it comes down to it they all do the same thing. Kubota and john deere are the ones that I have found to be best liked my my guys. Kubota has there engines in everything so you know that they are very good. I own eight and have not had any problems with them even with 3000 hours and more. John deere had some good machines to but some of the older machines are no more that a yanmar tractor with john deere ( green gold) paint. The newer deeres are very comfortable to run. The other thing you have to think about is are you going for a hydro or gear drive. The hydros are nice because of better and faster movement. gear drive is nice because you have a little more power. A deere 3920 compact is well liked by my crews. It is a little pricey but with a 39 horse turbo engine it has lots of power. You will have to look for one they are sometimes hard to find. I have two kubota B2710 and a 2910. love them both. owned since new and have never had a problem. hope this helps

Thanks Workin Bob.
You really use your tractors. I probably won't use mine as hard as you use yours. I do have a farm that I will use this on. It will get a workout up there, mowing the areas where they don't bale. Also pushing brush.

I got a 3520 JD. It is an ehydro, with 37 hp and a little turbo. I really like the way this little tractor works. the controls make sense to me, and seems to have a good bit of power. I will try and post a pic of it. I bought a box blade for it and have been trying to learn how to use it. Not very good with it as yet.

I bought a box blade for it and have been trying to learn how to use it. Not very good with it as yet.

put a hydraulic top link on it and it'll be a lot easier to use.

where do you find the hydraulic top links? $?

I have thought about that, and I might do it. I would like to also have an arm on one of the mains, so I could change the pitch and the angle at the same time, instead of getting off and twisting both arms to change them.

I bought a set of aftermarket pallet forks for my Deere and am extremely happy with them.

I bought them from an ebay seller based out of Grove City Ohio. I paid around $600 for them...way cheaper than the Deere brand.

I bought a set of aftermarket pallet forks for my Deere and am extremely happy with them.

I bought them from an ebay seller based out of Grove City Ohio. I paid around $600 for them...way cheaper than the Deere brand.

My dad bought brand new JD pallet forks for $800, they are built real well too.

Kubota's are a nice little tractors, the L series are very nice and operator friendly machines. I the dealer I use to work for was a Kubota dealer, the best part about them was once they were delivered to the customer, they hardly ever come back for anything. Bad for a service department, great for the customer! Personal opinion, but if you are looking at a compact tractor, it is tough to find anything better than a Kubota.

One that I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole are the NH Boomers and Case IH DX/Farmalls...way to ruin the Farmall name their CNH! We have more problems with these little POS's at work than anything else. Electrical is their biggest problem, today at work I had to replace a glow plug sensor light relay switch, or something along those lines, on a Case IH DX, I would rather be crawling around in combine than pulling my hair out on these things. Since May this is the 4th time this particular machine has been in the shop, we dont have many of them out, but their always seems to be one in the shop.

Just my Opinion...

One that I wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole are the NH Boomers and Case IH DX/Farmalls...way to ruin the Farmall name their CNH! We have more problems with these little POS's at work than anything else. Electrical is their biggest problem, today at work I had to replace a glow plug sensor light relay switch, or something along those lines, on a Case IH DX, I would rather be crawling around in combine than pulling my hair out on these things. Since May this is the 4th time this particular machine has been in the shop, we dont have many of them out, but their always seems to be one in the shop.

Just my Opinion...

I hate those things, I could thell they were junk just looking at them.

I hate those things, I could thell they were junk just looking at them.

Junk is correct...I am just hoping when I get there in the morning that the DX is gone...but I'm sure it will be back in a few weeks for something else.

where do you find the hydraulic top links? $?

I made my own and it cost me $15 or so. I had a small side shift cylinder off a fork truck, welded on the swivel coupler and a couple of hose ends.

this place has them, or google and see what else you can find http://www.ccmachinery.com/TNT.htm

get a short one, if they're too long you can't get it to cut. measure your toplink when it's set for cutting and get a cylinder that's shorter than that. the tilt may be nice but you get too much stuff moving it'll cause more problems than help. remember KISS is better. go slow so you can keep up w/ the controls.

I hate those things, I could thell they were junk just looking at them.

I had a 35D, lot better than the L2900 it replaced. I used it to do a lot of work, even pulling an 8' 3pt disc to work hay fields when the big stuff wasn't around. also used it to pull the 11' leveler, looks like a big box blade. it never needed a dealer. the new 110 is getting a work out but wish it had some of the 35D features like cruise control and super steer.

I had a 35D, lot better than the L2900 it replaced. I used it to do a lot of work, even pulling an 8' 3pt disc to work hay fields when the big stuff wasn't around. also used it to pull the 11' leveler, looks like a big box blade. it never needed a dealer. the new 110 is getting a work out but wish it had some of the 35D features like cruise control and super steer.

I guess you got lucky, Id like to get a 110, those look like a nice little machine.

Kioti DK45 and DK55 , both with cabs

Love my L3130DT tractor, work it pretty hard and have not had a bit of problems with it.
I work as a service manager for a kubota/case dealer. Would not reccomend the red or blue for that matter, as the ergonomics and the ease of loader removal and installation
is not near a nice as the kubota. As far as compact and subcompact tractors go we always push kubota as we believe it to be a better machine.

well Ive been following this thread and Im not a tractor guy but Ive had &needed one for last 20 years (3 acs & 1/2 miles dirt road) started w/ a little b6100 kabota 14 hp & a stick then after many years of abuse including rolling it over 3 times using the loader(they shoudnt put loaders on tractors that are only 36" wide ) I got a new b7800 w/ a 30 hp & hydro/trans (safe) but I swear that little 14hp stick can outpull the 30hp w/ the hydro .......my kabotas run &run then sit & sit the old one has 16,000 hrs on it and still runs great ,bought it heavily used from a rental yard ...I like those kabotas but never had anything to compare to ...... but I do wish I went a little bigger on the new one or got a stick instead of the hydro its a pain when it bogs down when pulling a load of dirt and you cant down shift.....just my 2 cents

got a stick instead of the hydro its a pain when it bogs down when pulling a load of dirt and you cant down shift.....just my 2 cents

Why not let up on the pedal?

hydros have a new learning curve, can't just floor it and expect it to go.
get the load moving then slowly pick up speed, if it bogs or a hill let up on pedal but keep it moving. how much rpm are you using? you need some rpms to make gpm of oil for hydro.

I've pulled some big trailer loads of wood out of the woods and across semi frozen corn fields. my old L2900 GST wouldn't even touch the loads my TC35D hydro could pull. once you got in the field you had to get it moving as fast as you could the hydro did it and the GST had to stop to change gears and you was stuck. It takes some getting used to but I'll never own a stick shift smaller tractor (<60hp) same goes w/ 4X4. this excludes the old iron toys.

demaxtim;thanks for the info ,yes I am still getting use to it,and I am running the rpms abit low (it has a hash mark on rpm gauge I assume is where manuf. wants it but it seems highabout 2800 ) I like 2000 or less. but I could shift my old stick somewhat on the fly ....but to be honest I just dont understand the workings of the hydo enough.also it has three ranges low med high,.the old stick had two ranges high low and 3 speeds in each..... and I got pretty good with that lil guy moving dirt ,the road where I live gets real bad and not much rain ,but when we got rain I could make the road freeway smooth amazingily fast with that little guy ....dont get me wrong I love my newer one just dont get the hydo thing yet...

use the 1st and 2nd ranges for working. I don't run my hydro over 1800 rpm unless working it hard or for pto speed. 2000 should be enough for most stuff, just don't get down in the 12-1400 range. if it starts to pull down let off hydro or it just kicks out the pressure relief. works like a SSL, slower is better for power.

Just buy a IH 484, that will solve your problems :D

Does anyone have any first hand experience with them? This is not a JD, Kubota etc... which is better but I'm trying to find anyone that has heard of any direct issues with this tractor. The model is a 4220, Cummins(made by cummins for Kujike..sp?) 4cyl, 42hp, 2 pumps, larger bucket loader, forks and an 07. It weighs about 800lbs more than the kubota that is in it's same class...? It has a shuttle shift not HST.
Basically, there is someone that wants to trade this tractor for my fathers 78 Firebirid Formula 305, 4 spd, 22,300 original miles. From what I've read online it seems the Branson is beefier than pretty much all the other tractors out there in it's class...Anyone hear anything about them? This tractor has 75 hours on it and is like new..Thoughts? NADA on the Firebird is 21K.

Ive heard people like those tractors, Ive never ran one. Jd holds their value better then any other tractor. I think if I was going to trade that car Id want something that wont drop in price.

Those Gray market tractors have come along some. Lot of them out there using cummins power last i knew the montana tractors used cummins power and a funk trans and rear which is a deere owned company so its got support behind it.

Ive heard people like those tractors, Ive never ran one. Jd holds their value better then any other tractor. I think if I was going to trade that car Id want something that wont drop in price.

Askin ain't gettin but from what I've seen the tractor is selling for about 19K with similar hours and year...
Now, if someone would trade me a JD I'd definitely be all over it but so far no takers...:(
There are two Branson dealers within 30 miles of me and the tractor does look beefy. Definitely more so than the Bota or Deere I looked at. Again, this size is 42hp Cummins so I'm trying to compare apples to apples.
As far as resale, I don't think it will be sold anytime soon but you are right about the "offbrand" tractors and value.

Askin ain't gettin but from what I've seen the tractor is selling for about 19K with similar hours and year...
Now, if someone would trade me a JD I'd definitely be all over it but so far no takers...:(
There are two Branson dealers within 30 miles of me and the tractor does look beefy. Definitely more so than the Bota or Deere I looked at. Again, this size is 42hp Cummins so I'm trying to compare apples to apples.
As far as resale, I don't think it will be sold anytime soon but you are right about the "offbrand" tractors and value.

I think with these off brand tractors beef doesnt really count, from what I hear its the cheap steel that causes problems. Stuff like loader arms bend, break, and crack.

The JD 521 loader on my dads tractor doesnt look really beefy but its been used and abused on the front of a 89hp tractor and it still looks new.

I guess it depends on what you want to use the tractor for. Maybe they just use a heavy gauge junk steel to fix the problems. I could be wrong but I think the new bobcat compact utility tractors are really a branson.

You can find some nice JD utility tractors in the 15k range with about 35hp and a loader. With a backhoe more liek 20k+.

stay away from Kubota! I have a L4330 that blew up with just 300 hrs on the clock and they are not standing behind it. The wrist pin pulled away from the piston and they are acting like its my fault. My tractor blew up 6 months ago and it still isnt fixed. I keep getting the run around and they wont return my calls and are telling me a bunch of lies. The last i heard they are looking for a block and cant seem to find one.....yea right.

I'm on another forum about ATVs and UTVs and I have the impression that Kubota makes good stuff but will not admit to any problems or stand behind their equipment. I'm thankful I've gone with JD for my tractor and my UTV.

stay away from Kubota! I have a L4330 that blew up with just 300 hrs on the clock and they are not standing behind it. The wrist pin pulled away from the piston and they are acting like its my fault. My tractor blew up 6 months ago and it still isnt fixed. I keep getting the run around and they wont return my calls and are telling me a bunch of lies. The last i heard they are looking for a block and cant seem to find one.....yea right.

It is your fault you bought the thing. :D

Maybe it says in the manual to pull the pistons out once a week to check the wrist pin.

I'm on another forum about ATVs and UTVs and I have the impression that Kubota makes good stuff but will not admit to any problems or stand behind their equipment. I'm thankful I've gone with JD for my tractor and my UTV.

There is a kubota dealer here in town. I heard the same about them, they wont fix the kubotas under warranty. Its probably more kubotas fault then the dealership.

The JD dealer here will fix any problems. Sometimes they like to beat around the bush though.

It is your fault you bought the thing. :D

Maybe it says in the manual to pull the pistons out once a week to check the wrist pin.



There is a kubota dealer here in town. I heard the same about them, they wont fix the kubotas under warranty. Its probably more kubotas fault then the dealership.

The JD dealer here will fix any problems. Sometimes they like to beat around the bush though.


I wish time and time again i would have spent the extra money and bought a damn John Deere . I have been told by the dealer that they have a hard time getting anything done by Kubota, but i know they are just throwing the blame off on them so they will look good. They dont have to worry about me ever spending another dime with them.

I like my Kubota B3030 cab tractor, kinda wish I bought something bigger but I could put a belly mower under this thing and turn on the AC and mow all day...

Newer kubotas seem to be where the problem is, I guess they are throwing them together. If I was going to buy one I think Id buy a good used one just because theres no point in buying new for a warrenty.

The kubota dealer here in town has a used little kubota with a loader and belly mower about 8 years old. Its well used and my dad would kindof like one that size. He asked what he wanted for it and it was like $16,000, then he says you may as well buy a new one for $18,000.

My dad needed a better vineyard tractor and they had a kubota vineyard tractor with 82 engine hp 4wd with no cab for $28,000. We checked out the JDs and got a 89 engine hp 2 years old 4wd with a cab, heat, ac, radio, all the good stuff for the same price. And they put on a JD loader and a set of quick change forks for for $34,000. The kubota couldnt have a loader so they were wanting to afrorig a kelly loader on it where the rops is supposed to be.

I Have owned Kubotas, Deeres, New Hollands And Case IH compacts all seem to get the job done Check out the NH new 8N and the farmall A that case has both are now the same tractor from CNH. As far as UTVs go the kubota would pull a gator backwards i wont own a UTV if its a belt CVT drive keep and eye out for the New Case IH UTV Scout comming for 2010 NH also has 1 in their color comming too not see it yet though

As far as UTVs go the kubota would pull a gator backwards i wont own a UTV if its a belt CVT drive keep and eye out for the New Case IH UTV Scout comming for 2010 NH also has 1 in their color comming too not see it yet though

The kubota is a whole lot bigger machine though. A lot more complicated too when you need to do your own work on it.

Bobcat has a nice looking UTV, I dont know much about it.

Only Prob i have on Kubota RTVs is the Hydro Filters are a pain to get too and the cooling system could be a bit bigger easy to get engine hot but it comes down asap. Would love to see a turbo charged rtv from the factory all though aftermarkets are awsome to put on

Duromax04, I own a landscape business and I have had serval brands. When it comes down to it they all do the same thing. Kubota and john deere are the ones that I have found to be best liked my my guys. Kubota has there engines in everything so you know that they are very good. I own eight and have not had any problems with them even with 3000 hours and more. John deere had some good machines to but some of the older machines are no more that a yanmar tractor with john deere ( green gold) paint. The newer deeres are very comfortable to run. The other thing you have to think about is are you going for a hydro or gear drive. The hydros are nice because of better and faster movement. gear drive is nice because you have a little more power. A deere 3920 compact is well liked by my crews. It is a little pricey but with a 39 horse turbo engine it has lots of power. You will have to look for one they are sometimes hard to find. I have two kubota B2710 and a 2910. love them both. owned since new and have never had a problem. hope this helps


Well im glad someone has had good luck with a Kubota. Mine blew up with 300 hrs on the clock and kubota is giving me the damn run around. They have had my tractor for 10 weeks now and still havent fixed my tractor. Mine is a L4330 4x4 and if i ever get the damn thing back it will be for sale.

I just traded a car for this Branson 4220i. Very STOUT machine. The tractor weighs 4100lbs without the FEL which I found was heavier than any other in it's class. The motor is made for Kujike(sp?) by Cummins. The frame on this thing is impressive. Very easy to service and the only real negative is the shuttleshift rather than HST. But, I've read the HST soaks up the power...?
As for the cheap steel as quoted earlier the Kujike company owns the largest steel plant in CA and supposedly uses all US steel to build these tractors...so if it is cheap steel than it is cheap US steel.

post some pics of your tractor.

post some pics of your tractor.

I'll try to get some later but have not had a chance yet. You can go to Bransontractor.com. Mine is the 4220i. This one has the quick change bucket and the Pallet forks. It also has the upgraded(really nice) seat and a block heater.
I put a ratchet rake(ratchetrake.com) on the front yesterday and cleared some brush in my backyard. It made quick work of it. Very useful attachment! Easy on/off and very heavy duty.
Motor runs real nice and the tranny shifts great. Will take some getting accustomed to the shuttleshift. I think I'd go for the HST if I were buying this thing new but then again I don't plan on doing bucket work all day, every day. I like the tilt wheel, collapsable ROPS, easy service points. Only a couple of grease fittings are a challenge to get to but Hydraulic/Tranny/Rear end and Front end all simple to change. Oil change was a snap. Used Wix Oil($6), Branson Hydraulic ($26), Donaldson fuel ($8) and three 5 gallons of Universal Hydraulic Tranny fluid from Sams ($35).
I spoke to a person who works on all the models and told me the Branson gear set is unlike any he has seen in this size tractor. He said he would expect to see it in a 70+HP tractor but he said these tractors are made to take punishment...?
I also would probably go for the Woods FEL over any stock brand. They are much beefier when you see them side by side, even the BH's are beefier.
Just my 2C.

I run all Massey gear around my farm, but Im going to bite the bullet and go for an 80 horse kubota in a few weeks. My masseys are bullet proof, no matter how dirty the fuel the filter always catches it. A little bit of air in the fuel filter blows the in tank filter clean. I would never buy anything smaller than a 40 hp. It would have a hard time running a decent size flail mower, let alone any bigger gear.

I run all Massey gear around my farm, but Im going to bite the bullet and go for an 80 horse kubota in a few weeks. My masseys are bullet proof, no matter how dirty the fuel the filter always catches it. A little bit of air in the fuel filter blows the in tank filter clean. I would never buy anything smaller than a 40 hp. It would have a hard time running a decent size flail mower, let alone any bigger gear.


have you read any of my post ??? good luck and i hope you dont have any problems because they will not stand behind it.

have you read any of my post ??? good luck and i hope you dont have any problems because they will not stand behind it.

Sorry to hear about your engine failure with the 4330. Yikes.:eek:

Is it the dealer who's being unhelpful? Or are you dealing with Kubota Tractor directly?

Both. I have been talking to the head man over the south eastern US for Kubota and now the **** wont even return my calls. The dealer ship is a complete waste of time also, all i hear is we cant do anything unless thay say we can. They have had it for like 12 weeks now( give or take) and i got my first return call about a week ago. Do yourself a favor and buy a real tractor. Dont be like i was and let the 3,000.00 price difference talk you into getting a Kubota. I regret it every day, traded my JD in on it and i wish so much i would have bought a JD.

Both. I have been talking to the head man over the south eastern US for Kubota and now the **** wont even return my calls. The dealer ship is a complete waste of time also, all i hear is we cant do anything unless thay say we can. They have had it for like 12 weeks now( give or take) and i got my first return call about a week ago. Do yourself a favor and buy a real tractor. Dont be like i was and let the 3,000.00 price difference talk you into getting a Kubota. I regret it every day, traded my JD in on it and i wish so much i would have bought a JD.

I think if I was you I would try to find the parts you need for a good price and fix it yourself then sell the thing. Or sell it like it is, your going to eat it either way. I dont know if talking to a lawyer would help or not. If its under warrenty they should fix it.

My dad bought a 2 year old JD from the dealer and he had them order a new loader for it. He said keep it until you get the loader on then bring it over. Well the salesman let his friend use the tractor for about 4 weeks until the loader came for it. They haul it over to the house and there is like a 6" slice in one of the rear tires with the tube sticking out. My dad calls the dealer and tells them about the tire. They say oh we didnt know about that we will get you a new tire. Then about a week later the battery goes bad. They came out and put in a new battery and the guy looks at the tire and says they will come and get it to put a new tire on. A few months go by and still no tire. My dad calls them and Oh we will get it in a week or two. A month later still no tire so my dad calls up the guy who owns the dealership and he says well I have tires with bigger rips in it then that and hangs up. I get on the JD website and sent them a email about it. It was about a hour later the JD dealer called and said they are sending a truck over to get the tractor. :D

Dad had 2 Kubota's with loaders when landscaping. He kept the smaller one when he quit, no problems, does amazing things with fluid in tires. He will outwork neighbors bigger deere all day, a lot is in the operator too. I would not look elsewhere, besides they are almost Allis Chalmers orange !!

My son drove the big Kubota with the brakes on enough to hurt them. They came and got tractor to fix it. It was still under warranty, but did not expect coverage. A couple months later Dad got a check back for about half the bill !!!

Both. I have been talking to the head man over the south eastern US for Kubota and now the **** wont even return my calls. The dealer ship is a complete waste of time also, all i hear is we cant do anything unless thay say we can. They have had it for like 12 weeks now( give or take) and i got my first return call about a week ago. Do yourself a favor and buy a real tractor. Dont be like i was and let the 3,000.00 price difference talk you into getting a Kubota. I regret it every day, traded my JD in on it and i wish so much i would have bought a JD.


Which engine model number is in your tractor? Is it a V3300 by chance?

I cant remember what engine model number it is. I had all that info written down but im not sure where its at now.

VERY happy with my new purchase. Ive put almost 40 hours on it so far, and it was traded in by a local dairy farmer I used to work for. This is a STOUT machine, tons of power, very good turning radius. Kubota M9000, M740 loader, softride setup, aux hydraulics on the loader, quick change system on the loader as well.

Ive also got a Kubota RTV 900 with a hyd dump. I love the thing. Its a great setup. Full curtis cab with a heater. Hauls anything i ask, dumps anything i can fit in the box. Full diff lock crawls through really nasty stuff. Had turf tires on it and it crawled through manure dragging its belly.

Ive got nothing bad to say about any of my machines. A machine is only as good as its maintenance, and sometimes you just get a lemon. Get a lawyer to call your local dealer and Kubota head office. They may change their tune.

I cant remember what engine model number it is. I had all that info written down but im not sure where its at now.

I bet it has a V2203 in it, if so I have a fresh reman engine that I am about done building if you need it.

If you want something to make your home chores list shrink, get 2X the tractor you think you need.

Long time ago, I looked at the compact machines from the players and came to the conclusion that a small farm tractor would be more productive in the long run than a small home-owner sized machine.

Now, three JD machines later (I still have them all!) I am convinced this is a safe and smart plan. Plus, these older machines have some real gray iron in them, not the slag sold today. Deere stands by their old machines and parts have not been a problem, not always cheap but still there.

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I bet it has a V2203 in it, if so I have a fresh reman engine that I am about done building if you need it.

how much will you need for it?

All of my machinery is Kubota even my generator...You can't go wrong with it...The engines are bulletproof and very reliable. for what you want get the Kubota L3410 it is a 38 hp idi diesel. It is a very powerful fuel efficient workhorse. I have a bucket, flail mower, rotary tiller, box scraper, and a subsoiler attachments. It runs them all without a hicup

stick with Case, John Deere, Kubota, even Bobcat makes small tractors, Massey Furg. I would avoid the other brands.

stick with Case, John Deere, Kubota, even Bobcat makes small tractors, Massey Furg. I would avoid the other brands.

The bobcats are built by some knockoff brand. I wouldnt trust them.

stick with Case, John Deere, Kubota, even Bobcat makes small tractors, Massey Furg. I would avoid the other brands.
John Deere all the way

Kubota is decent

I would never buy a Case, ever.

I am a New Holland and Kubota Tech..

I have quite a few friends at John Deere i would much rather own one...they are way more rugged...my buddies still dump money into there old 4020s and 4440s...they pump out quite a bit of hay and the terrain here is pretty tough...

New Hollands stuff is nice, when it works...the new Boomer 8n's are a joke...

I cant complain about the majority of Kubotas stuff, they just make working on them a bitch....and they do thins ass backwards...

John Deere all the way

Kubota is decent

I would never buy a Case, ever.

I am a New Holland and Kubota Tech..

I have quite a few friends at John Deere i would much rather own one...they are way more rugged...my buddies still dump money into there old 4020s and 4440s...they pump out quite a bit of hay and the terrain here is pretty tough...

New Hollands stuff is nice, when it works...the new Boomer 8n's are a joke...

I cant complain about the majority of Kubotas stuff, they just make working on them a bitch....and they do thins ass backwards...


Last I checked a 4440 and 4020 isn't exactly a "compact tractor". Does John Deere even make their own compact tractor or is it just branded JD?

John Deere all the way

Kubota is decent

I would never buy a Case, ever.

I am a New Holland and Kubota Tech..

I have quite a few friends at John Deere i would much rather own one...they are way more rugged...my buddies still dump money into there old 4020s and 4440s...they pump out quite a bit of hay and the terrain here is pretty tough...

New Hollands stuff is nice, when it works...the new Boomer 8n's are a joke...

I cant complain about the majority of Kubotas stuff, they just make working on them a bitch....and they do thins ass backwards...

Why wouldnt you want a case? last I knew the case IH and newhollands all rolled out of the same factory since NH owns case.

Last I checked a 4440 and 4020 isn't exactly a "compact tractor". Does John Deere even make their own compact tractor or is it just branded JD?

I could be wrong but I think JD builds the tractors and then uses a yanmar diesel. They have done this for years. The 4000 series and up uses a JD built engine.

I could be wrong but I think JD builds the tractors and then uses a yanmar diesel. They have done this for years. The 4000 series and up uses a JD built engine.

That is correct.

Jay

I thought the JD compact tractors up to the 3000 line were basic Yanmar tractors but assembled here in Georgia. Once you take the Yanmar parts away you wouldn't be left with much.

When it comes to JD's 4000 series I thought the engines were a "clone" from a Yanmar made in Mexico? I also thought that the 5000 - the smaller frame 7000 series used a similar Yanmar clone engine made in Mexico and secured many other parts from India and Germany?

What I am getting at is, I thought until you got into the larger 7000 series JD's you were not getting a REAL MADE IN THE USA tractor like most think when it comes to the JD name. Sure it might be assembled here in the USA but it surely isn't made here in the USA.

I thought the JD compact tractors up to the 3000 line were basic Yanmar tractors but assembled here in Georgia. Once you take the Yanmar parts away you wouldn't be left with much.

When it comes to JD's 4000 series I thought the engines were a "clone" from a Yanmar made in Mexico? I also thought that the 5000 - the smaller frame 7000 series used a similar Yanmar clone engine made in Mexico and secured many other parts from India and Germany?

What I am getting at is, I thought until you got into the larger 7000 series JD's you were not getting a REAL MADE IN THE USA tractor like most think when it comes to the JD name. Sure it might be assembled here in the USA but it surely isn't made here in the USA.

I dont know about the brand new stuff, at the county fair I noticed alot of the new JDs looked forigne. They had a vineyard tractor that was a 5000EN I think. Last I knew that tractor was a 5525N, maybe EN means euorpean narrow or something.

Why wouldnt you want a case? last I knew the case IH and newhollands all rolled out of the same factory since NH owns case.

No, Fiat owns New Holland and Case

No, Fiat owns New Holland and Case

Didnt NH buy case then NH sold out to fiat? Thats why the company is called Fiat New holland.

I thought the JD compact tractors up to the 3000 line were basic Yanmar tractors but assembled here in Georgia. Once you take the Yanmar parts away you wouldn't be left with much.

When it comes to JD's 4000 series I thought the engines were a "clone" from a Yanmar made in Mexico? I also thought that the 5000 - the smaller frame 7000 series used a similar Yanmar clone engine made in Mexico and secured many other parts from India and Germany?

What I am getting at is, I thought until you got into the larger 7000 series JD's you were not getting a REAL MADE IN THE USA tractor like most think when it comes to the JD name. Sure it might be assembled here in the USA but it surely isn't made here in the USA.

We've got a hell of a lot of engineers sitting on the payroll in Augusta for a mere clone and assembly operation :)

Same goes for Waterloo, IA where all the engine design and development happens, even for the little 250 series engine built in Torreon Mexico.

Jay

We've got a hell of a lot of engineers sitting on the payroll in Augusta for a mere clone and assembly operation :)

Same goes for Waterloo, IA where all the engine design and development happens, even for the little 250 series engine built in Torreon Mexico.

Jay

So they are not Yanmar engines?

Does JD not use Yanmar componets to build the smaller tractors?

So they are not Yanmar engines?

Does JD not use Yanmar componets to build the smaller tractors?

They are John Deere Power Tech Engines developed in Waterloo IA assembled in Torreon Mexico.

As for where we get all the components for the tractors I don't work in supply management so I couldn't tell you for sure. But I have been down there and I know there is a big engineering department down there, which makes me think we aren't just painting a Yanmar tractor green.

Jay

They are John Deere Power Tech Engines developed in Waterloo IA assembled in Torreon Mexico.

As for where we get all the components for the tractors I don't work in supply management so I couldn't tell you for sure. But I have been down there and I know there is a big engineering department down there, which makes me think we aren't just painting a Yanmar tractor green.

Jay

I never said you painted a Yanmar tractor green, I asked if JD used a majority of Yanmar parts when assembling their tractors.

Also, am I wrong in saying the 3000 series uses a Yanmar engine and the 4000 series uses a John Deere Power Tech engine which is based off a Yanmar? I still believe the smaller lawn and garden tractors use Yanmar diesel engines(when equipped) and comes from Japan not Iowa or Mexico.

I never said you painted a Yanmar tractor green, I asked if JD used a majority of Yanmar parts when assembling their tractors.

Also, am I wrong in saying the 3000 series uses a Yanmar engine and the 4000 series uses a John Deere Power Tech engine which is based off a Yanmar? I still believe the smaller lawn and garden tractors use Yanmar diesel engines(when equipped) and comes from Japan not Iowa or Mexico.

You implied that what was produced at our Augusta and Torreon factories is nothing more then sticker engineering. That is incorrect.

Jay