Does anyone make a standalone controler for the allison? Does allison have a computer & harness for other engine applications? I have heard some companies started to but couldn't get it to work right so they scraped the idea. Thanks for any info.

What are you trying to do? Efilive I know has some new controls over the allison.
The other company would be the ATS Co-Pilot, I think it controls TQ converter lock-up.

Im trying to use a allison behind a cummins.

Wow, to be honest, I don't know if either of those would work. Now i know what you meant by a stand alone controller... You could give ATS or Mike L. a call (they're both on the forum) and see if they have any ideas....

I have heard of fed-ex trucks using 4bt's & allison 5 speeds, so it can be done, but how?

Why yes there is just such a company. I have heard of a couple of people using it and they say its a pretty good controller but the alli is very complicated. Look at PCS controllers,http://www.powertraincontrolsolutions.com/

I have no idea who these people are or who makes this controller for them if they aren't making it themselves but here is one I ran across looking for other things... Might be worth a call...

Transmission Center (http://www.transmissioncenter.net/allison1000.htm)


c-ya

Their web sit does not list anything for the allison.

Why yes there is just such a company. I have heard of a couple of people using it and they say its a pretty good controller but the alli is very complicated. Look at PCS controllers,http://www.powertraincontrolsolutions.com/

Looks interesting, but pricey. Does anyone have any experience with company? How about there other parts for the allison?

I have no idea who these people are or who makes this controller for them if they aren't making it themselves but here is one I ran across looking for other things... Might be worth a call...

Transmission Center (http://www.transmissioncenter.net/allison1000.htm)


c-ya

Kevin,

Fedex/UPS uses 1000ssss of the 1000/2000 series behind Cummins 5.9 and the 4cyl.. Sun Coast was/is working on a retro fitt in the Dodges.. Give me a call..

PM sent

Kevin,

Fedex/UPS uses 1000ssss of the 1000/2000 series behind Cummins 5.9 and the 4cyl.. Sun Coast was/is working on a retro fitt in the Dodges.. Give me a call..

Talk to Brayden at FPL, I think he put a Alli behind a Cummings

We can get you a TCM and harness... The link posted earlier is from Destroked.

We've done over 10 conversions and they work great.. but you need to realize it gets very expensive to do it correctly.

Brayden

I sent you a PM, but you never answered.

We can get you a TCM and harness... The link posted earlier is from Destroked.

We've done over 10 conversions and they work great.. but you need to realize it gets very expensive to do it correctly.

Brayden

Might have gotten wiped out.. the box fills up quickly.. and I have to delete often.

Sorry..

Brayden

Would this be a legal TCM? Last I heard you had a little legal troubles with Allison.

We can get you a TCM and harness... The link posted earlier is from Destroked.

We've done over 10 conversions and they work great.. but you need to realize it gets very expensive to do it correctly.

Brayden

Would this be a legal TCM? Last I heard you had a little legal troubles with Allison.


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Legal troubles.. That's funny... Who might you have heard that from? Tazman?

Or was it Duratothemax since he's so quick to post with smilies?


The TCM that I use came from a school bus that uses a TPS calibration.. It has been modified with EFILive to change the shift points to work on a smaller vehicle.

But thanks for listening to rumors and believing them..

I also have several thousand pounds of plutonium and sold it to north korea to get the money to buy my duramax.

Gotta do what you've gotta do :D

Brayden

Are you saying you were never arrested because of your work at Allison? And they never fired you? You never helped Suncoast with the 5/6 conversion?

Just looking for a truthfull answer.

I have no idea who Tazman is or Duratothemax is.

Legal troubles.. That's funny... Who might you have heard that from? Tazman?

Or was it Duratothemax since he's so quick to post with smilies?


The TCM that I use came from a school bus that uses a TPS calibration.. It has been modified with EFILive to change the shift points to work on a smaller vehicle.

But thanks for listening to rumors and believing them..

I also have several thousand pounds of plutonium and sold it to north korea to get the money to buy my duramax.

Gotta do what you've gotta do :D

Brayden

quick to respond as in 5 days later?

quick to respond as in 5 days later?


Wow I wanted to edit this, but I guess the new clowns running this place wont let you edit after an hour or so.


I wanted to add, Brayden you say you can get them a standalone TCM with two shift schedules, etc. How does one obtain a schoolbus calibration that has tow/haul, or uses one of the GPI's to activate a secondary shift schedule?

Can you send people this calibration? Are you saying I could sneak into my local school bus yard and get the EXACT same thing you are dealing with?

Are there any applications of a 1000 and a mechanical engine? I would think if a school bus had an electronic engine, why would it need discrete tps inputs, just get it over the can bus from the ecm....

What issues are there (even if they were past issues that are resolved now) with the conversion, because I have read that some people were less than satisfied. Not making this up or singling you out, just questioning what I read in that big thread on DTR.

Their web sit does not list anything for the allison.


Call them they have it.

Can you send people this calibration?

Are there any applications of a 1000 and a mechanical engine? I would think if a school bus had an electronic engine, why would it need discrete tps inputs, just get it over the can bus from the ecm....



I do not know of any school buses with a mechanical TPS but I know of some OEMs that have used a Mechanical TPS with a 1000 series.. The 1000 series has been around since late 99, used behind all kinds of engines not just Dmax, 8.1, cummins, cat, isuzu, international...

I will not give out the TCM cal so don't ask..

No I was never arrested ... Good god you people are worse than desperate housewives. Yes I was fired from a contract company working for allison but it was for working on TurboBrake's using the company email system.

(I'm not naming names but there was a certain person that wanted me out of there that worked for the same contract company)

The 5/6 speed thing is all Suncoast.

Now as for the TPS calibration.. There are plenty of mechanical engine calibrations out there you just need to know where to look. Try the Allison dealer for one.. Having worked at one for a year or so you see a lot of vehicles come through there.. Hey that's a DT466 with a P-Pump... Hey it has a 1000 series in it.. Hey I'm going to write down the CIN number off the TCM so that I can have the dealer flash it in my TCM for my dodge/allison swap..

IT'S THAT EASY FOLKS..


BEN... All the cal's have a secondary schedule.. but if they're no different than the primary you're never going to feel a change in the shift points... So open up EFILive edit the B schedule and now you have T/H...

What GPI is it you ask? Since you are asking the questions I'll give you another.. Where do you find the I/O assignments for anything else? The service manual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know of plenty of people who have submitted CSS forms through Allison and gotten whatever custom calibration they want. It's easy, they just blow you off because you're asking the wrong people, or asking the wrong question. Go to the counter, ask for a CSS form, fill it out, fax it in, wait a few days and they'll generally make your changed calibration available at any allison dealer in the world.. you'll get your own personalized CIN number and all.

There are several engine mfg's that weren't ready for the advanced controls of the Allison back in '00 so there were a couple of years that had dumb engines and a smart trans.

As for the complications with the conversions.. Nobody wants to pay what it's worth to do a complete drivetrain conversion.. that simple. Those that do have no problem with them.
The problems that the people on TDR were having were mostly related to not having their throttle position sensors "range" setup correctly.

0.5v - 4.5v is ideal but the factory dodge TPS have about half that range and cause the trans to shift like crap at low throttle. Especially VP44 trucks with heavy fueling.. 10% throttle will still get you ton's of power yet only 10% TPS at the trans only gives you marginal shift pressure so the adapts would freak out.

There's the answers folks. Hope that clears things up a bit.

If you can tell the idiots spreading the rumors the truth that would be great....

I mean everything you read on the internet is true, right?


Oh.. PS.. About the allison calibrations.. If you have access to the older allison service tools at an allison dealer, you have all the information you could ever need about custom programming... They give you a roadmap to the calibration in the software.. You just have to be smart enough to find it and implement it. Brushed up on your hex lately?

SAE has technical documents describing the calibration block read write process.. It's a standard. If you learn the $modes then you can pull the calibration off of any OBDII compliant module.. And you can edit any calibration you want so long as you know where to look.. And that's where a disassembler comes into play.

For less than 50bucks in library late fees you can become an OBDII programming guru.. You can even download the tech docs.

Brayden

No I was never arrested ... Good god you people are worse than desperate housewives. Yes I was fired from a contract company working for allison but it was for working on TurboBrake's using the company email system.

(I'm not naming names but there was a certain person that wanted me out of there that worked for the same contract company)

The 5/6 speed thing is all Suncoast.

Now as for the TPS calibration.. There are plenty of mechanical engine calibrations out there you just need to know where to look. Try the Allison dealer for one.. Having worked at one for a year or so you see a lot of vehicles come through there.. Hey that's a DT466 with a P-Pump... Hey it has a 1000 series in it.. Hey I'm going to write down the CIN number off the TCM so that I can have the dealer flash it in my TCM for my dodge/allison swap..

IT'S THAT EASY FOLKS..


BEN... All the cal's have a secondary schedule.. but if they're no different than the primary you're never going to feel a change in the shift points... So open up EFILive edit the B schedule and now you have T/H...

What GPI is it you ask? Since you are asking the questions I'll give you another.. Where do you find the I/O assignments for anything else? The service manual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know of plenty of people who have submitted CSS forms through Allison and gotten whatever custom calibration they want. It's easy, they just blow you off because you're asking the wrong people, or asking the wrong question. Go to the counter, ask for a CSS form, fill it out, fax it in, wait a few days and they'll generally make your changed calibration available at any allison dealer in the world.. you'll get your own personalized CIN number and all.

There are several engine mfg's that weren't ready for the advanced controls of the Allison back in '00 so there were a couple of years that had dumb engines and a smart trans.

As for the complications with the conversions.. Nobody wants to pay what it's worth to do a complete drivetrain conversion.. that simple. Those that do have no problem with them.
The problems that the people on TDR were having were mostly related to not having their throttle position sensors "range" setup correctly.

0.5v - 4.5v is ideal but the factory dodge TPS have about half that range and cause the trans to shift like crap at low throttle. Especially VP44 trucks with heavy fueling.. 10% throttle will still get you ton's of power yet only 10% TPS at the trans only gives you marginal shift pressure so the adapts would freak out.

There's the answers folks. Hope that clears things up a bit.

If you can tell the idiots spreading the rumors the truth that would be great....

I mean everything you read on the internet is true, right?


Oh.. PS.. About the allison calibrations.. If you have access to the older allison service tools at an allison dealer, you have all the information you could ever need about custom programming... They give you a roadmap to the calibration in the software.. You just have to be smart enough to find it and implement it. Brushed up on your hex lately?

SAE has technical documents describing the calibration block read write process.. It's a standard. If you learn the $modes then you can pull the calibration off of any OBDII compliant module.. And you can edit any calibration you want so long as you know where to look.. And that's where a disassembler comes into play.

For less than 50bucks in library late fees you can become an OBDII programming guru.. You can even download the tech docs.

Brayden


Is there something special you have to say to them? Or ask them for something specific with the CSS form? Ive tried twice at my local allison dealer and they told me to go pound sand. :mad:

They shouldn't ... that's their job..

The best way I've heard it put was "You bring us everything we need to make soup... and we'll make soup."

Asking for things like 3rd gen TCM's that speak GMLAN etc are not going to fly.. most of the dealer guys don't know what the hell you're talking about and furthermore that would be a GM request which is totally unrelated to the medium duty channels.

But if you walk in and are wanting a custom cal to let you run a 1000 series off of TPS that is setup for a 4x4 discrete input etc etc ask away.. there is a guy in Southern Indiana who did a conversion on a dodge back in 2002 by doing just that. I have that calibration as well. It was a released calibration in PCCS (medium duty allison programming system similar to GM SPS) that was (probably still is )available to all PCCS users. I bought a TCM, had it loaded @ the dist. and then read it out with EFILive.. tweaked the shift points a bit and it runs well! It has tow/haul ODLO and 4x4 lo input on discrete inputs.

When somebody slams the door in your face.... Go open a window.

Brayden