I've never really been around a 2wd loader tractor {always had a MFWD} and I was curious about a couple things. How do the small front tires handle the weight and does anyone know the actual weight rating on a 11.00/16 12ply 4rib tire. No one I've talked to can come up with an acual rating.

The tractor is a 4630 and I was debating about maybe putting a 726 on it. I need a stronger loader than the 640 on our 6410 and the 726 is rated really high.

Thanks

firestone are 3420@60 psi

a 2wd loader tractor is worse than a 2wd farm truck.

if you know what I mean.

once you have 4wd w/ a loader your going to HATE the 2wd. even w/ a lot of weight on the back.

I know 2wd farm trucks suck! Used to have one and it got parked about 8yrs ago :D

firestone are 3420@60 psi

a 2wd loader tractor is worse than a 2wd farm truck.

if you know what I mean.

once you have 4wd w/ a loader your going to HATE the 2wd. even w/ a lot of weight on the back.

Try feeding round bales with a two drive tractor in the mud, makes you want to shoot yourself in the head just to put yourself out of the misery.

Some 2wd tractors do have big enough spindles to handle a loader. When J.D. first introduced the 5000 series they were notorious for breaking spindles on the 2wd model, quite a bit better now.

Also I think the bigger the front tire the better.

Depends what your doing with it, if you just want lift capacity and height for stacking bales then the 2wd will be fine. We personally havn't even owned a 2wd tractor for over 25 years but some of my neighbours use them all the time.

Mainly I'm looking for lift capacity for loading tire tanks. Our MFWD handles bales fine and we use it to feed hay when the snow is too deep for out 1tons with bale beds.
I'll probably just wait a little while and get a bigger MFWD with a 280 or 840 loader. I've come real close to getting our MFWD stuck plenty so 2wd is probably not a good idea. It's just the fact we only farm with this 4630 and it will probably sit all summer.

Depends what your doing with it, if you just want lift capacity and height for stacking bales then the 2wd will be fine. We personally havn't even owned a 2wd tractor for over 25 years but some of my neighbours use them all the time.

Never had one on a Deere 2wd but have one on an old Massey 1135. The nice thing about the 2wd is the turning radius and how easey it is to get around with. The 2wd is useless in mud or snow.

I have a freind with a JD 2355 2wd with a loader and I want that tractor bad. Its a great tractor and just keeps going. My dad has a JD 5500N 4wd with a loader.

The 5500 will go alot better in mud or snow but the 2355 2wd is a great loader tractor. I think it depends on what your doing. If you want a utility tractor I like the 2wd, they turn sharper so its good for loader work.

If you need a loader tractor you HAVE to use come rain, snow whatever then MFWD if the only way to go.

A 2wd is probably 10x easier to get stuck.

Ran a JD 3020 as a loader tractor for over 40 years. Silage, large bails, pulling engines, digging rocks, even dug 100ft silage trench through a hill once.

It worked great, even with LT tires on the front axle.

Calcium in the rear wheel plus 800lb of cast iron weights for balast.

Block heater started a fire this winter and burned it up pretty good. Were putting a loader on a 4420 for now.

My Super M wide front has a dual loader on it. It will carry a round bale just fine. Even the ones "I" bale. (they tend to get heavy on me! :)) I have had the tires squat pretty bad. I would not go very far like that though! We were only stacking.

The turning is really nice with the 2WD setup. The Super M goes through a lot though for being only 2WD. In the winter time when we need to feed rounds, I will load a bale in the front and then I have a 3 point spear that I find the heaviest bale on the farm and I cram that on the back. I also have about 400 pounds in tire weights on it also. So between the weights and probably close to 1500 pound bale on the back, that tractor moves through the snow!

The nice part about my setup is that the hydraulics on the M are not that great. So I will never be able to overload the spindles (hopefully) because the tractor won't let me. Just doesn't have enough poop to get really heavy things off the ground. And that is fine by me. Cheaper to find a different way of moving it then snapping the front end!

A friend bought a new 70hp McCormic mfwd and hads a loader on it. He said the loader will pickup 4600lbs. Either he doesnt know what hes talking about or somone is going to destroy something. Theres no way that tractor would hold up to that.

A friend bought a new 70hp McCormic mfwd and hads a loader on it. He said the loader will pickup 4600lbs. Either he doesnt know what hes talking about or somone is going to destroy something. Theres no way that tractor would hold up to that.

my little Deere CUT has 2100# lift or something and 2700# at pins. one spec to look at is if the 4600 is at the pins, it's higher than the bucket weight. I picked up close to 10,000 pounds w/ my backhoe ( it was an old track paver) to load it on a flatbed trailer. I'll tell you w/o 4wd it probably wouldn't have went far.

A friend bought a new 70hp McCormic mfwd and hads a loader on it. He said the loader will pickup 4600lbs. Either he doesnt know what hes talking about or somone is going to destroy something. Theres no way that tractor would hold up to that.

I have operated a number of 2 wheel tractor backhoes JD, Case, IH, etc. all the loaders would pickup right at 2 ton. Some a little more, some a little less. At this time I have a IH 3444 loader tractor, it also will pickup right @ 2 ton. I have not weighed the big ass rocks I have been moving but guessen from the front end squat & hydrolic grunt it's close to 2 ton. I know these are not AG tractors but outside of a heaver front end I believe the hydrolics are the same. Back on subject I know the tires will hold up to over 2 ton. Some of them rocks I could not lift & could not push. But with the loader & and low gear togather they got moved. I have inside & outside wheel weights & cal. in tires.

Nothing wrong with a 2 wheel drive tractor with a loader. The main thing is just learning how to drive them compared to a 4 wheel drive in the mud and stuff. But the are great for moving hay and things out of the field cause they turn sharp and dont mess the fields up as bad.

When I was growing up my Grandfather had a John Deere G with narrow front end, no power steering and a Farm Hand loader on it. That sucker was a killer to steer empty much less with a load of hay on the Farm Hand. It never blew a tire that I can remember. The hay fork was 10' or so wide and it would put up a heck of a load. We stacked loose hay and I was the guy on the stack.

My dads JD 5500 will pick up 3800lbs on the loader and Ive had about that on there. But the McCormic looks to be built a little cheap and then with 4600lbs + the weight of the loader is just asking for trouble.

Id like to get a industrial backhoe, those will hold the weight.

Gents--

Depending on the job, I feel a 2wd loader tractor may be just right.

For me, I have to be able to work in low overhead sheds and barns, lift construction materials, and keep control over the snow pack on my property here in New Hampshire.

Granted, I don't just wander out into the deep mud during mud season nor do I work during the snow and ice season without super chains, both on the rears and a heavy duty 30-footer in case I get buried.

Instead of the tri-rib ag fronts, I have nice truck tires up front and keep a close eye on the pressure.

The handling and manueverability with only 2wd pays out big time working in, under, and around my antique post and beam barns.

Sure, 4wd would be great but at the price point I paid for this tractor, you just can't beat it.

Here's my 1968 JD 820 at work...OK playing. I'm cutting greens for my friend's 40'+ giant wreath...

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Go get 'em!

I need to be able to lift 5000lbs.

We have a 2150 Oliver 2wd for loader use w/ a 747 High-Lift Leon. We would like to find an identical loader to put on our 2150 4wd, but old MFWD tractors don't steer worth a crap. We use 11.00 16 Firestone Multi-rib implement, 5 or 6 rib, nice on the yard, and has a high load rating. That combo will lift about 4K, this isn't a regular loader, it is a high lift, so it has longer arms, which is the reason why it doesn't lift a super large amount. it will lift an 8 row corn header off the truck(closed chained, as close to tractor as possible. we don't like the 6-bolt hubs, but if you have ever seen a 2150's front axle with the big c-shaped carriers, and twin steering rams, you know it is up to the task.

We know it isn't good in snow, and we have no livestock, so there is no point for using it in the winter, so we are quite pleased with it.

I guess it depends on the situation. For livestock, when the tractor just has to get through anything, some sort of MECHANICAL (not hydraulic, sorry john deere guys 20-40 series:o:) front wheel assist with a locking rear would be best, same with construction, but if you don't need it, such as our needs, it is cheaper to operate and maintain. I am scared of the multi-thousand dollar MFWD axle shafts from foreign countries.

My two cents (don't be angry w/ the JD comments!):D

Used to run 2wds loaders for cleaning dairy lots just dont drop off the concrete worked well on hard ground

i barried a 2640 today in the rain up to the running boards. pulled it out with another 2wd 2640 loader. what a pain in the ass. both tractors have loaded tires and are dual wheels. what a day. right at the end of the day in the rain when we were all ready to leave.

I have had a '73 Ford 2000 with industrial loader and 14" bucket lip extension for 22 years. It's a handfull but I know how to drive it and I also know it's limits. I use it for everything around the farm and pasture from wood hauling to manure cleanup to pasture mowing (with the bucket off) to a work platform and everything in between. Yeah, I'd like to have a newer one but I can't justify the cost. Besides, I've broke and rebuilt just about everything on it at least once so yeah, I know it pretty well...

2wd sucks on heavy stuff.

Nothing wrong with a 2 wheel drive tractor with a loader. The main thing is just learning how to drive them compared to a 4 wheel drive in the mud and stuff. But the are great for moving hay and things out of the field cause they turn sharp and dont mess the fields up as bad.

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I have a JD6110 2WD with loader and a 6300 2WD and feed hay in the winter and have never got stuck. But I dont drive them off in somewhere that I could get stuck. If it is that muddy you shouldn't be feeding hay there anyway. The 2WD turns alot sharper than 4WD. If you are using it for mainly loader work buy the 4WD and heavy loader. For all around work the 2WD will maneuver easier and be several thousand cheaper.

It's true that a MWFD is nice to have but heck if you've got a bucket on it you can almost always use the bucket to get out. That's all I ever used when I was growing up was a 2WD and that's how I always got it out. LOL, if you've got a backhoe it's nice cuz you can use both ends or which ever works better.

On an added note, I work for JD as a service tech and from experience loaders are heck on tractors. Maybe more so the people running them, but most people forget that they're still a tractor and not a dozer.

:funnypost I never would have guessed ):h ):h.

most people forget that they're still a tractor and not a dozer.

They aren't dozers? The guy I bought my Super M from (I found this out AFTER the fact) used the tractor to try to "ram" stumps in his yard!

It showed. Once we got the tractor home and started looking at the loader, it was amazing how many hairline cracks we found. So we did a lot of gussets and welding to make it stronger then it was new.

I forgot to mention in my previous post also. On top of the wheel weights, I also have both tires filled with fluid. It really does make that Super M push through stuff that you would never think 2WD would make it through.

They aren't dozers? The guy I bought my Super M from (I found this out AFTER the fact) used the tractor to try to "ram" stumps in his yard!

It showed. Once we got the tractor home and started looking at the loader, it was amazing how many hairline cracks we found. So we did a lot of gussets and welding to make it stronger then it was new.

I forgot to mention in my previous post also. On top of the wheel weights, I also have both tires filled with fluid. It really does make that Super M push through stuff that you would never think 2WD would make it through.

There was a factory that had a brand spanking new dozer, Im sure $150,000 at least. The first job for it some guy was ramming a old factory foundation, about 4' thick concrete. I guess about the 3rd try he backed up and the blade stayed mangled up in the foundation.

As for fluid filled tires I think they are a must, Ive seen a huge difference in traction.

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If it is that muddy you shouldn't be feeding hay there anyway.

What other option is there when it stays muddy for long periods of time? We have both a 2wd and a MFD loader tractor, they both have their place but the MFD does a majority of the work now. We got along for years with a 2wd machine but after having an MFD there's no way we'd ever go back to not having one.

What other option is there when it stays muddy for long periods of time? We have both a 2wd and a MFD loader tractor, they both have their place but the MFD does a majority of the work now. We got along for years with a 2wd machine but after having an MFD there's no way we'd ever go back to not having one.


I have to agree, one time it rained and rained and the potatoes were going to rot, thank god for that mfwd on the 5500. No way in hell would a 2wd pull a digger through the mud.

You got to do what you got to do when its time no matter what the weather.

i got a belarus 800 2 wh dr with fr end ldr, kept breaking spindels at 150 pop a piece.
I finally replaced the front axle 20 y ago with a wheat land axle out of a cockshut 1855.
never gave no trouble no more. I got also a heavy weight in the 3 pt hitch to keep the rear to the ground, i dont get stuck that often. But O how sweet to have fr wh assist.

I need to be able to lift 5000lbs.

What are you moving, how often, how far and what ground conditions?

Hard ground the 1100-16's would be fine, wet ground forget it, even with FWD that would be pushing it on wet ground I'd think with that load.

We have two 4430 loader tractors with 1100-16's, never really had problem with the tires other than flotation, but it wasn't that bad, made do somehow and drove strategically when it was wet.

We built some 1/2" thick rings to clamp the 6 hole wheels after we busted one running levees, never had a problem after that with wheel or other front axle breakage(loaders never seam to come off our tractors, to handy). We handle 1000-1500 6x5 rolls per year, meadow to cow and when its dry the 2wd works just fine, mud FWD is nice/recommended.

I know an old guy that has a 7210 2wd and have seen him carry two 6x5 bales on the front many times with nothing on the back, I dont see how it takes it but it does and he's hard on stuff.

Hard ground,mainly but we do get into soft ground some. I use a loader often but our current one is a baling tractor too so the loader comes off in summer. I'm probably going to hold off and get another MFWD

What are you handling thats 5K?

If just mainly loading hay out of the field it will work ok, if it was dry enough to bale you'll be able to load. We've bailed rice straw on years when we needed more hay before and didn't have much trouble, yea it tracked pretty good and the flotation and traction of the FWD would have helped.

I forgot you was putting this on a 4630.
That 4630 will work pretty good, you have a stout front axle and 8 hole hubs. You can get alot bigger tires and wheels for the front end no problem, snag some off the rear of an old combine they'll bolt right on. I have some 1600-16.1 on my 6030 now and before that had some 1200-22's. If you still have a problem slap you a 6k weight on the 3pt.

Tire tanks. They are 4000-6000lbs for a 13' tank. I'll only be handling 3000-4000lbs regularly. I still don't know if it's smart to try the 4630. I like our 6410 MFWD for a loader tractor but I'm overloading it by a lot :(.

Here's a pic of the 16.50-16.1 tires.

Thats a clean looking 4630. Have you thought about building a boom or modifying a forklift mast for the rear of it?