ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.....dispell the myth and give it up......shall I mail off my camera........D a m n i t juice come on):h

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.....dispell the myth and give it up......shall I mail off my camera........D a m n i t juice come on):h
Hey Dave.
No Pictures
I Gave my word not to take any and so i did not.:o:
IdahoCTD and DTT have me on a tight leash, and I can appreciate their position on not wanting pics floating around for Ripoff and Duplicate purposes. (Not that it would happen of course Convertor Convertor?)

It is their project to release pics when they see fit. Speaking of fits, I am having one, as the next dyno event i go to my hood has to stay closed!

If Chad makes it (SP33D) I might ask Nathan to show him.... but for now I can't do anything about the gag order.

I would like nothing more than to take pictures of the setup, post them for all to enjoy.......

On the positive note, looks like the LB7 Twins are simpler in some ways than the LLY. I have asked Nathan to Sign the S/S pipe.... Can't wait to see what it looks like myself!:ro)

so i take it this is gonna void the factory warranty right??

Pic of my truck... with TWINS under the hood

http://www.drunkreport.com/media/twins.htmhttp://www.drunkreport.com/media/twins.htm:(well................WTF

good looking twins... i bet them grow and make more power!

It looks like the one on the right is going to blow it's seals.):h

Last one):h

BONUS POINTS!
We installed them thru the muffler once we drained the Halogen fluid from the mufflerbearing return flasher

hummm..

strange how a dually crew cab changed into something else... and its color too...

hummm..

strange how a dually crew cab changed into something else... and its color too...Stefan's is Dually Crew LB 4x4
Mine is Ext LB 4x4

Stefan's truck is a crew cab dually. Juice's truck is the one in the picture. They both are going to have twins. Stefan already has them, and they are working on Juice's;)
On edit: Juice is too fast.

i see the point of not wanting rip offs to come about ,but maybe i just dreamed it but you did promise us pictures didnt you juice ,and i think stephan said release in about 6 weeks 2 weeks ago right

what about the trans release? Show pics and big article and nothing?

i see the point of not wanting rip offs to come about ,but maybe i just dreamed it but you did promise us pictures didnt you juice ,and i think stephan said release in about 6 weeks 2 weeks ago rightIIRC 6 weeks ago means they should have another 8 days to go.
I wanted to post pics, but they asked me not to. What's a guy to do?:secret: :damnit1: :Get_him: :idiot: :Moon: :ninja: :Wedgie: :whip: :knight: :horsey:

Love the new smilies!

i think will all the kewl smileys, you could almost make a post with out saying a word...LMAO!

If my view... if you want to keep something secret.. you dont talk or post about it...

Nuff said...

Stefan already has them, and they are working on Juice's;)
On edit: Juice is too fast.

Hey!
Nothing wrong with being too fast in a vehicle!
(couch rugby is another story;) )

If my view... if you want to keep something secret.. you dont talk or post about it...

Nuff said...:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:
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On Edit: Remember it was Stefan and Nathan who broke the news on the twins... not me.

Why all the worry about someone going to duplicate the set- up of the twins. If they release pictures of it today or a year from today somebody may or may not try to duplicate the set-up if it's in production or not.

Seem like a lot of worring going on. Patent the idea if it's that good if you can. Then you could post the picture everywhere, make these guys all happy and market your product at the same time. I would bet people will knock down your doors with money in hand just to get the set up too.

How would one patent compounded turbos? It would be like trying to patent air. Compounded Twins are not new. What is new is how it is done, Routing issues ETC.
So why would you release that information prior to selling a few kits? That would be shooting yourself in the foot no?
I have been needing more air for a while, and i kept getting the same answer as everyone else in regards to availability. DTT and IdahoCTD felt i would be a good candidate for an upfit, as they observed my conduct regarding their transmission. That kind of trust is earned.... and on my word. I will not violate that trust for 1 or 100,000 curious people.
When They want to release pictures they will.
If they ask me to release pictures on my truck when I get it back I will.
Not 1 second before.

What is the real issue here?
I have neither Trippin/Steve Cole's or MikeL's clout/reputation; but am lucky enough to get approached for 'testing stuff'
Not Just From DTT either.
I suppose it is because I am willing to part with my vehicle for a time period, show trust in those working on it by leaving it, and them trusting me to report to them first above all else.
If I had a picture, and posted it, it would let a lot of people down. Least of all myself.

That is a cost I am unwilling to pay. And i know McRat and Trippin would agree.

I think what the real issue is, all the talk,no action.
Talk the talk now walk the walk other wise suck down a big ole cup of ....

DTT stage II and TT

You asked,I said it :D

yup... GJ you're pushing vaporware right now!

honestly i don't care about all the products that aren't released... this is getting old.. why don't you just stop dangling the carrot and wait til something is actually available? this going round and round and round and round is just silly

:secret:

Carrotgrips! TM :D

It's Supermans thread he'll like that ):h

he haw

It is nothing like trying "to patent air". Your comparing apples and oranges. You said it yourself,"it is nothing new just how it is done." An invention that is patented years ago can be improved upon, then the improvement can be applied for a patent. It happans all the time. Just patent how it is done, if this twin system really does exist.

I'm happy for you that your tight with these guys and their twin setup. But why dangle this concept in front of thousands of power hunger guys that have enough disposible income to purchase such a kit.

I would be willing to bet that as soon as this kit is released it will be copied and possibly improved by someone. Then some consumers will wait, because they don't want there trucks to be beta testers, will buy it from the next company that improves the system. All because someone rants and raves about a product that is highly desired and not in production yet, won't release any photos to prime these consumers. Also known as bad marketing.

Give the consumer what they want, you have to unvail it sometime. An early photo release is not a shot to the foot, big manufactuers do it all the time to create chatter. If it is a good product that works, it will sell itself no matter how many people copy it.

Diesel Power / Mackin

The reason that Juice is probably posting and sounding so excited is probably because he is. In a couple of weeks he will have what none of you have had in 4 years. The reason that he isn't posting picture about it is because I tell him not too.

The twins are being mocked up and built on his truck right now so how would he post pictures of that? Again the reason for him not posting pictures of my trucks twins is because I told him that he was absolutely not allowed to do that.

I don't see why everyone has got there panties in a twist, you guys have waited 4 years with nothing what's an extra couple weeks?:(

For those who have had questions and have PM'd me or Called, I greatly appreciate it. For those who are carrying on like Mackin, I can say that it really makes me think about ever posting/keeping members in the loop on new products.
For those thinking that the transmission parts aren't available, there are starting to be shipped Monday for those who have paid.

Diesel Power / Mackin

The reason that Juice is probably posting and sounding so excited is probably because he is. In a couple of weeks he will have what none of you have had in 4 years. The reason that he isn't posting picture about it is because I tell him not too.

The twins are being mocked up and built on his truck right now so how would he post pictures of that? Again the reason for him not posting pictures of my trucks twins is because I told him that he was absolutely not allowed to do that.

I don't see why everyone has got there panties in a twist, you guys have waited 4 years with nothing what's an extra couple weeks?:(

For those who have had questions and have PM'd me or Called, I greatly appreciate it. For those who are carrying on like Mackin, I can say that it really makes me think about ever posting/keeping members in the loop on new products.
For those thinking that the transmission parts aren't available, there are starting to be shipped Monday for those who have paid.

Your saying I"M carrying on? He asked and TM'd the phrase STF up.How many times has HE used that term with these two topics?How many TEASE topics does ONE site need and who himself told Juice to STF up STEVEN on the TRANSMISSION ?????

But of course NOT in the open ,right?

How about the LLY set STEVEN????

Mackin,

What's the last Paragraph about? And my name is STEFAN.

Mackin,

What's the last Paragraph about? And my name is STEFAN.


Stefan Steven all the same down in the USA.


You know

Like I said Stefan enough is enough show the goods or as Juice says STF ^

Don't single me out aint my thread,not the ONLY one who shares the O,just the one with the BALLS to say it

For those who are carrying on like Mackin, I can say that it really makes me think about ever posting/keeping members in the loop on new products.

TWIN TURBO NAZI.........

NO TWIN TURBO FOR YOU!!!!):h


sound familiar?....:p:

Buncha goofballs. Without the Juicetease and Mike L's rants, this site gets awfully boring.

Maybe the whiners should go to the power/performance section and read the 10,000th post on "what's the best programmer to use" and STFU.

You all need a dose of LTFU, i.e., lighten up. Especially the Sheriff.

The reasons why you dont get to see the pictures of the twins is:
1) As you already know to prevent copying (or attempting to. Good Luck by the way)

2) Why show a picture of a prototype setup? When the parts we need to have manufactured/machined are finished then we will assemble a kit and install it on Stefan's truck and Juice's truck for pictures. Most people want to see what they are purchasing not a one-off kit. There are plenty of people that can testify to the existence of the twins so that really isn't a issue.

If someone promised pictures then they were wrong in doing so because they wont be available until the finished product is ready. I dont believe Stefan or myself did that so your really barking up the wrong tree. Stefan agreed to sound clips only and that was stated from the beginning.

Nathan

Buncha goofballs. Without the Juicetease and Mike L's rants, this site gets awfully boring.

Maybe the whiners should go to the power/performance section and read the 10,000th post on "what's the best programmer to use" and STFU.

You all need a dose of LTFU, i.e., lighten up. Especially the Sheriff.

Wa wa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So which is the best programmer? TTS Diablo or Quadzilla?

Like I said Stephen chose me for some odd reason, I :D to show it were a Joke,duh!

Juice and Stefan,

We all appreciate when you guys share information about products that are in the works. Transmissions, turbos, whatever. I can also appreciate GJ's excitement, I experience that same excitement when I test product as well.:D

However, consider the way that info has been delivered to us here on the board. It's coming, it's coming, I'm getting mine but you can't have it, you can't see it, nah nah nah nah..................):h Kinda like Eddie Murphy's "You aint got no ice cream" bit.
:blahblah:

This is like standing in front of the Lion's cage with a big juicy steak and dangling it just out of reach. The logical conclusion is the Lions are going to be pissed off and you run the risk of getting eaten alive. :mad:


So Juice and Stefan,
Please accept this as the constructive criticism that it is meant to be........
:grd:
and don't tell us about it until you have data to back it up and we can purchase it ourselves. :D

TWIN TURBO NAZI.........

NO TWIN TURBO FOR YOU!!!!):h


sound familiar?....:p:

You know me I don't care.Twins are a dime a dozen on a Cummins.If I really need them,at this point, well lets not carry on :D

What we need is a "Deep Throat". A squealer. A stoolie. A rat. A fink. A snitch. A whistle blower. A Benedict Arnold.

Wait. Isn't Kerry looking for work? ;)

Seriously, is there anything that the developers can tell us about it that won't involve releasing actual design data?

Basic info. Something other than "two turbos"?

You know for all the posts and back and forth bickering about these LB7 and LLY twins. They better be worth it bad. Dodge Smokin pullin power now.

STEFAN what good is all the hype if your not proud enough to show your work................is it really cobbled up that bad..............really..............If they are really up and running then put this to rest

WTF...........

I think what the real issue is, all the talk,no action.
Talk the talk now walk the walk other wise suck down a big ole cup of ....

DTT stage II and TT

You asked,I said it :DSTFU?
OK
I see no reason to talk about the transmission.... pointless as the thread will get shut down again right? Were you asleep at the switch on that one? I thought Vendors were not allowed to crap on another's thread? I did not see you take any action on that fiasco. (after the fact, but why not be a moderator first and a member second? do your job!)

You want me to be quiet about the twins. Fine. Done. Buy your own when they become available. What i find disgusting is that one vocal detractor actually had the gall to whine to DTT about getting a set of his own Twins ASAP......
So

I'm Brewing a Cup now.... DP, Mackin, want to join me for a cup?
BTW, my home number is listed in 911.... Call me if you would like to discuss this further .

I can tell you the trannys are available. Mine was ordered a couple days ago.

Just remember I didn't start the thread and not the only one here.It was a joke so make me the scapegoat like I give a poop.

If I did my job first, I'd have to delete most of your posts do to the sexual nature of topics.Read the rules, critic

May not be a bad idea

I can tell you the trannys are available. Mine was ordered a couple days ago.You will be pleased with the results.
Did you order Stage1 or Stage2?

Stage 1 for now. We want to see just how much it can handle. Stage 2 will be in the very near future.

Understand that every man's fantasy is twins.

The leghumpers are attacking!! :eek:

Just remember I didn't start the thread and not the only one here.It was a joke so make me the scapegoat like I give a poop.

If I did my job first, I'd have to delete most of your posts do to the sexual nature of topics.Read the rules critic

May not be a bad ideaI know you are not the only Mod Mackin, but if you want to dish it like it is all my fault and expect me not to fire back?

Delete most of my posts? I have a very good idea how many even allude to conduct unbecoming.

I have read the rules both for a MEMBER and A VENDOR.
Most of the time they hold up quite well.

As a moderator I know what goes on behind the door and in the open. So you are not exactly preaching to the choir here.

My status as a member here is tenuous on the moderating staff's decisions. And i will submit to that judgement.

My Reason for joining here in the first place was to further our quest for power.

There.. I've said my Piece

Understand that every man's fantasy is twins.

The leghumpers are attacking!! :eek:Uh-oh):h does that mean the same thing as 'Can you feel the love?"):h

Uh-oh):h does that mean the same thing as 'Can you feel the love?"):h

;)

[b]I LOVE YOU MAN!!![/budweiser commercial]

;)

[b]I LOVE YOU MAN!!![/budweiser commercial]
Aww geez.... now i feel all warm and fuzzy.:funnypost

Wow :rolleyes: Isn't strange how the sword sharpens as the days get longer?:help2:
I do not think that this trans/turbo setup is pipe dream like cartercrafks. I am sure that the fellas don't won't any drillings like Clint or the Texas guy got for their two different "attempts" towards aftermarket turbo charging. If I remember right...... seemed like everyone just naged about how sorry the set-ups were, something about a nest. There wasn't a lot of support for either of the development prototypes. With so many people accustomed to having what they want when they want I can understand why DTT isn't willing to show 90% goods. ....BTW, I don't know why but the computer sound clips just don't do the set justice.:D


..............

Hey, there's Juice! Get em!

:Get_him:

took the words out my mouth :ro) :ro)

I know you are not the only Mod Mackin, but if you want to dish it like it is all my fault and expect me not to fire back?

Delete most of my posts? I have a very good idea how many even allude to conduct unbecoming.

I have read the rules both for a MEMBER and A VENDOR.
Most of the time they hold up quite well.

As a moderator I know what goes on behind the door and in the open. So you are not exactly preaching to the choir here.

My status as a member here is tenuous on the moderating staff's decisions. And i will submit to that judgement.

My Reason for joining here in the first place was to further our quest for power.

There.. I've said my Piece

Member (3) Mackin checking in

What am I dishing a joke? It was a joke,now it has become something else not because of me you would like to elude, but by the defensiveness of Stephan and you portray onto me,the only one mind you.Wonder why,the name tag?Yes the easy target,not so easy ;)

Where's the DTT LLY twin turbo information? Where is the DTT Stage I information? Your lip service is -:t and incomplete.It could be months and months before the complete unknown problems and limitations are known. Twins wont be for everyone,a very limited market at best.Meanwhile like a untyped page,we have nothing but,well nothing but endless posts endless topics off :blahblah:


I don't sugar coat this may get me in trouble,but with whom? I quest a biggest possible number with number 2 fuel only also.I'm patient as the next guy but if you keep poking a stick sooner than later someone will poke back.My suggestion,suck it up.Don't get defensive your the one drawing the attention to yourself day after day about this subject matter.What you expect no negativity,or what gives?Oh you and Stefan is Steven as William is Bill,don't like it,I get it

Member Mackin out!

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Super Moderator #1 in

If Nick should feel .001% think .002% :rolleyes: that I'm over stepping as a Moderator I'll take that with a :D today knowing that I did what I did and am proud of it.Not in this thread but in general ,deflate head now.Then I'll really peel back the hard outer shell of sweetness and let a whole pack of you have it,nice and sour!I am a moderator and this isn't a job to me,if it was I'd quit.It's that simple. I volunteer.I like doing it most of the time to help out Nick who has become a long distant friend.I ask for NO compensation for it,I lied Nick gave me a mint shirt and some stickers and I appreciate it.


I'm a member first screw being a moderator only when it's called for and action needs to be taken.Then it's swift and decisive,you'll know when I'm not a member,they'll be no confusion.I'm not being a moderator in this thread,I guess you couldn't balance the two,member and moderator,or figure that out that I was posting as a regular Jon,Eh! So your lucky,I guess, when you don't like what I've posted you and others have ,throw the moderator card out instead of sucking it up! What ever bring it on. :D

The only thing I see you are 100% right on is our lack of trying to be open and allow things to have a natural uncensored approach isn't working on vendor on vendor contact.Because of that we are revamping our policy.

Moderator Mackin out

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I'm back

Member (3) Mackin checking in


Good luck with your set up hope it doesn't turn out like the last two sets,a cobble and street sweeper.I'm very interested with real information not a opposite of hen, tease and Justifiable Promotional banter for "hooking me up" lip service.Which quite frankly that's all it's been ,so far.

Useless



Back to the corner I go,untill the likes of anouther open the door, for some MEMBER FIRST sour candy.

Trick or treat! :crazy:

But Daddy.......they Have Sound Clips It Must Be The Real Thing...............junior You Twit Anbody Can Record A Dodge And Call It What They Want.............the Real Proof Is In The Pictures...........things Are Starting To Sound Like That **** Carrot Zilla Boy tales............

But Daddy.......they Have Sound Clips It Must Be The Real Thing...............junior You Twit Anbody Can Record A Dodge And Call It What They Want.............the Real Proof Is In The Pictures...........things Are Starting To Sound Like That **** Carrot Zilla Boy tales............

Junior, remind me when we get home to slap yo momma! ):h

I just found this thread... It's getting pretty damn funny in here... found myself laughing out loud a few times. I love these boards.

BTW, same thing happened with a vendor on a Z06 Vette forum, kept posting about a twin turbo system among other mods it was some funny crap. He did post pics throughout the entire process R&D etc. It was a bust in the end though, the system was not reliable and way too expensive. I do not know Stefan or the other guy, but good luck anyway. I know that guy on the vette site spent a lot of dinero trying to get that to work.

Somebody build twins that bolt up and work.

Get them out running on a few trucks.

Post some reliabilty and performance figures and present a sellable package.

Until then this is just a bunch of
http://www.getdieselpower.com/misc/smileys/bsflag.gif :lol:

To be serious for a moment, here's my opinion on beta testing products, be it performance mods, software, sheep restraints, condoms, etc:

You should normally be quiet in public about it. Evaluate it, report back to the mfr, and ask if you can report publically about it with no restrictions. The answer to that question should never be "report only what we tell you" or you will lose credibility.

The product you have on your truck may not be the production release, hence good or bad features of it may not be what endusers will see, that is why you need to get permission from the mfr before releasing info.

Hey Mac,

I think I have an easy solution on the whole Moderator/Member thing.

Perhaps make it a Diesel Place rule that Moderators don't "moderate" a discussion that they are participating in. That way the moderating powers remain objective. It is very easy to start threatening to delete posts and take other action, in the heat of the moment during a discussion. After all we are all human. Then the thing escalates into a something it shouldn't.

That's my :rant: for the day. Let's all get back to flaming Stefan and Juice now. That's where the real fun is.:D
************************************************** *******
I'm thinking Stefan and Juice should open up or dance at a strip club, cuz they are soooooo good at teasing us all.

I'm all worked up over twins...........I need a release...........and fast! :banghead:

lol, good one trip, ):h :funnypost




Hey Mac,

I think I have an easy solution on the whole Moderator/Member thing.

Perhaps make it a Diesel Place rule that Moderators don't "moderate" a discussion that they are participating in. That way the moderating powers remain objective. It is very easy to start threatening to delete posts and take other action, in the heat of the moment during a discussion. After all we are all human. Then the thing escalates into a something it shouldn't.

That's my :rant: for the day. Let's all get back to flaming Stefan and Juice now. That's where the real fun is.:D
************************************************** *******
I'm thinking Stefan and Juice should open up or dance at a strip club, cuz they are soooooo good at teasing us all.

I'm all worked up over twins...........I need a release...........and fast! :banghead:

Hey Mac,

I think I have an easy solution on the whole Moderator/Member thing.

Perhaps make it a Diesel Place rule that Moderators don't "moderate" a discussion that they are participating in. That way the moderating powers remain objective. It is very easy to start threatening to delete posts and take other action, in the heat of the moment during a discussion. After all we are all human. Then the thing escalates into a something it shouldn't.
:exactly:

That's my :rant: for the day. Let's all get back to flaming Stefan and Juice now. That's where the real fun is.:D
:lol:
************************************************** *******
I'm thinking Stefan and Juice should open up or dance at a strip club, cuz they are soooooo good at teasing us all.

I'm all worked up over twins...........I need a release...........and fast! :banghead:
Ya me too! I can't wait to Give the F O R D Back:eek:
A 2WD CCLB Dually is not fun in the snow!:eek:
I'll be sure to post some driving impressions on the way home... 1/2 distance is Rock Creek might have to call CCat and MGM to come out and play!
Penticton and Oliver IIRC.... we could have a meet TWINMAX day!:ro)

Hey Mac,

I think I have an easy solution on the whole Moderator/Member thing.

Perhaps make it a Diesel Place rule that Moderators don't "moderate" a discussion that they are participating in. That way the moderating powers remain objective. It is very easy to start threatening to delete posts and take other action, in the heat of the moment during a discussion. After all we are all human. Then the thing escalates into a something it shouldn't.

That's my :rant: for the day. Let's all get back to flaming Stefan and Juice now. That's where the real fun is.:D
************************************************** *******
I'm thinking Stefan and Juice should open up or dance at a strip club, cuz they are soooooo good at teasing us all.

I'm all worked up over twins...........I need a release...........and fast! :banghead:1) Hey, if the twins show up, they will when Stef gets them done right...no half-*ss ones. I doubt he wants to risk his business's rep on an imaginary project (like Quad did) . Word travels fast, and bad reps travel at ludicrous speed!

2) So they said they're working on them as we speak...give them a break! Some of the more power-hungry guys here just never learned patience, did they? Sometimes I wish I had unlimited funds, too!!!!!!!

3) Stefen and Juice on stage stripping is just -:t .

4) I think most guys get really worked up over a set of twins, esp if they were Playboy bunnies, Guy!!!! :ro)

As for what I think of Mac's baiting and bashing, well.....:badidea:

Here's a pic of twins: http://www.bankspower.com/Twin-Turbo-images/TTurbo-frontleftquarte.jpgyeah, I know it's a Banks setup....

Tom :pig:

3) Stefen and Juice on stage stripping is just -:t .



Tom :pig:
LOL... I'll explain.

Prestage/Stage/1320'/Stripe....not strip):h

Even though I haven't done that,That'd be fine with me Trippen. :D


I didn't bait and bash,they jump in the boat

........ Juice, I think someone got your goat. ):h

You might find it Tuesday... if you keep up with your notes.;)

:Nothing_f ........ Juice, I think someone got your goat. ):h

You might find it Tuesday... if you keep up with your notes.;):muahaha:

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I'm back

Member (3) Mackin checking in


Good luck with your set up hope it doesn't turn out like the last two sets,a cobble and street sweeper.I'm very interested with real information not a opposite of hen, tease and Justifiable Promotional banter for "hooking me up" lip service.Which quite frankly that's all it's been ,so far.

Useless



Back to the corner I go,untill the likes of anouther open the door, for some MEMBER FIRST sour candy.

Trick or treat! :crazy:[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're talking about as a "cobble" or a "street sweeper", if you're refering to QuickTime's pictures, they are far from being cobbled, even though the pics posted are R&D. Secondly, if anyone would like any information, we would gladly help them out in any way whether they are friendly competition or not. If anyone thinks they are able to corner the market---it's impossible. Come back to our planet. There are millions of people out there just thinking s**t up for other people to think s**t up for.

If the complaint is: (A) do they really just want to see pictures and proof that DTT really has a twin turbo kit or (B) do they just need something to complain about? or (C) do they really want to a twin turbo kit? Because my understanding is DTT's are compounded, not twins - two completely different systems with the same goal. To provide the public with what it wants - the qwest for the most efficiently made power. DTT is misleading people, compounded turbos are not twins. To the general public, you can say that they are twins but in fact they are compounded (one feeds the other). They are not the same. Twins are standalone.
Futhermore, is this forum about a qwest for power or bashing something most people dont understand. My system is safe, you can't damage the chargers or the engine (unless you are a jack**s). This system makes endless amounts of power, from 1100rpm's to 4500-5500*(?) you just never know!! Instead of worrying about who gets credit for the FIRST IN THE WORLD (what we hear are) TWINS on the so called market - understand that you can't have all the glory and only post the good not the bad, this is misleading. People can only take so much s**t before they call it like they see it and that is what your making it!!!!! I have spent severeal hours replying to people trying not to sell my kits, but to better the GM High Performance truck world (of which are not posted because I have not yet become a vendor). We have turbo charged gasoline 8.1 liters, that the ET's are faster than 10.90's (hoping that this 9800# slug will do at the track what it DID on the dino) but all everyone cares about or complains about is proof of DTT's so called twins. Cobbled my ass, even the street sweapers had the balls to post their mess but hey-- you just keep bashing everyone else. Meanwhile, I will be working on the next thing somebody already did, so what!!! Welcome back to our world!!!!!! Wolf pack sounds like the rat pack more work - less wine (eheheheh cry cry cry). See ya (if you get there ) Love, Tony !!!

ps>. If you decide not to post this you are more chicken s**t than they already think you are. Until you have somwthing knowledgable to say to the rest of the diesel world STFU or put up with it ..........................

CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
QUICKTIME!!!!!!:cool:

LOL... geez.... tell us how you really feel!

But you do raise a valid point.

Hey I just noticed quicktime was in Denver. Now I know where to go to snag a high pinion dana 60. :muahaha:Lots of members around this area that would be interested in seeing that twin setup you have run on the dyno. If you become a vender here, or even if not you ought to have a dyno day of some sort.

Somebody build twins that bolt up and work.

Get them out running on a few trucks.

Post some reliabilty and performance figures and present a sellable package.

Until then this is just a bunch of
http://www.getdieselpower.com/misc/smileys/bsflag.gif :lol:
Damn straight:lying: BS to me till real proof is shown. Personally I would have kept my mouth shut till the "twins" where done then posted pics, videos of the TUNED product. What good are twins without tuning? :confused: Besides going BOOM fast

Quicktime


I'm not the one who called DTT's set up twins,your doing it too,but that's what it has been described to us over and over and over as,the whole point of the rant over and over and over,again.Do I doubt for one minute that a Compound set up is in the works with DTT? No. Do I know the difference between twins and compound? Yes.

Am I interested ? Absolutely

The Cobble is the set up Quadzilla was working on that was a one ,was just a bigger turbo and one and only that never was released as far as I know like many of his lip service,he has delivered over time

The Street sweeper twin was the set up ATS produced , inventive ,but practically useless in the real world.

Your system well what do we know about you? You are new to the BB scene and your coming off like a pit bull,cool.


And My system is safe(of which are not posted because I have not yet become a vendor).I have spent severeal hours replying to people trying not to sell my kits if you're refering to QuickTime's pictures, they are far from being cobbled, even though the pics posted are R&D.andSecondly, if anyone would like any information, we would gladly help them when you do,which you have JUST over stepped that boundary once again,we will talk about it.

So if you CANNOT play by the rules set up by the admin,take your own advice.It is a very simple process. Once again your as I said earlier and in a PM you are over stepping and getting free advertisement,thanks for paying attention.

I personally don't care what you think of me but the Admin (Nick) may not take to lightly your approach here to solicit,yet again! Tsk tsk

He wont chase you around like I will,Good luck.

The Lone Ranger is mad, watchout!!

:snipersmi :eek2:

For the record...

V8's have two banks of four cylinders. Two seperate exhaust outlets. The DMax takes both exhaust outlets and runs them up into one turbo. V8's lend themselves to true twin turbo setups. Heck the big rigs that run at "The Buck" out my way often run four turbos.... a compounded set on each side. The problem with the V8 diesels in pickup trucks is they're already wedged in the truck as it is.

The Cummins is an inline six with one exhaust manifold on the side. Although they are compounded twins, they simply say "twins" since the inline six diesels are the majority of "twinned" diesels unless it's a factory setup like in the VW V10 or the new upcoming Jaguar twin-turbo AJD-V6.

If I recall the pictures posted of twins on the Dmax were true twins. It looked like the exhaust was seperated in the back and individually fed each turbo.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1792&stc=1

But the charge air has to merge in the intercooler before going into the intake manifolds.

OK Guys, ask yourself why a "meck-a-nickel-ally" challenged dumba$$ like JJ is posting on this thread? :confused: I have absolutely no idea about twin turbos, cobbling(?), street sweepers, etc.!!! :o:

Here's what I do know. The P/P forum is infiltrated with power hungry, hp/tq seeking guys that are anxious to get their hands on anything that can give them "their next fix"!:cool: More hp/tq with these trucks is like a drug to a doper, when you hear that somebody is making something that will boost the sensation even higher the excitement can make people act differently and be more aggressive than they normally would. :o:

Stefan, Mackin, GJ, Quicktime and others, it is too easy to flame people on sites like this since there is no face-to-face interaction. :( My guess is if you guys ever met at a racing event or something similar you'd find you have sssssoooooooo much more in common than is coming out in this thread. Fact is it is guys like you that drive the performance industry. McRat, funny! ):h

Mackin, I'm hopeful that the fact you misspelled Stefan's name on 3 different occasions after he gave you the correct spelling was just an oversight and not intentional. :rolleyes: I've read your posts since joining the DP site and have always admired your objectivity and ability to stay above the fray. This is what moderators do! :) That being said I do respect and accept that you should be able to "take off the gloves" and participate as a member. Unfortunately as you well know you are held to a higher standard than the rest of us, sorta like being a Preacher! You likely forgive our sins much faster than we would forgive yours! Nuff said! ;)

Back to SD's original post. Now why do you think car manufacturers test their new vehicles out in the middle of the desert, camouflaged, in highly restricted areas, both air and ground. :confused: We hear about these cars years before they ever hit the road. Power/performance enhancements are likely no different. Unfortunately once the word gets out that something is in the works the "power junkies" are banging at the "power pushers" door wanting their "fix" first. Are there going to be flops, YEP! We won't know how well this new system works until it is put into production and slapped on some vehicles. The prototype testing they are doing now is what we want them doing so we don't put something in our trucks than can damage them. :eek: Hats off to guys like GJ and others that put their trucks through the paces on our behalf. :ro)

I thoroughly enjoy the DP site, but when threads get off-track and get personalized they are not constructive and that's likely when Nick will "shut em' down". While the playful banter is amusing to read, the personal attacks are unnecessary. :)

That's all, JJ's out, church is over! ):h Your sins are forgiven, go forth and prosper, and treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated! JJ :)

Stefan, Mackin, GJ, Quicktime and others, it is too easy to flame people on sites like this since there is no face-to-face interaction. My guess is if you guys ever met at a racing event or something similar you'd find you have sssssoooooooo much more in common than is coming out in this thread. Fact is it is guys like you that drive the performance industry. McRat, funny!

Mackin, I'm hopeful that the fact you misspelled Stefan's name on 3 different occasions after he gave you the correct spelling was just an oversight and not intentional. I've read your posts since joining the DP site and have always admired your objectivity and ability to stay above the fray. This is what moderators do! That being said I do respect and accept that you should be able to "take off the gloves" and participate as a member. Unfortunately as you well know you are held to a higher standard than the rest of us, sorta like being a Preacher! You likely forgive our sins much faster than we would forgive yours! Nuff said!

Yes JJ your right it's a tuff balance for some to understand.

I know whom I am when posting and what my objective is,99.9 % of my posts are NON moderator posts. :D

Someday I'll take the moderator persona away from my screen name and it wont matter or atleast that will be taken out of the subject. :o:

JJ I agree but here we have heard all the hype listened to a sound clip an supposedly seen a twin powered truck drive down the street................a few pictures cant be that hard............once again WTF

sdaver,

I was hesitatant to reply to your post since I certainly don't want to "fan any flames" that hopefully are going out. :o: It appears clear from these posts that when the developers are ready to post pictures they will do so since they are going to be selling the systems. :)

You and others on this thread are the very customers they are relying upon to buy their system so it is in their best interest to keep you informed and happy as well. This is a judgment they have to make: protect their interest while keeping their customer base happy. :p: They are well aware that others are likely working on the same or very similar types of systems to get to market. This is why we have Banks, MBRP, E/J, Predator, etc..... :)

It looks like you have a stompin' truck! I'm sure you'll enjoy the twins once they are approved for mass production and put on the market. Later. JJ :)

Again, it looks like GJ has a problem with premature eja****. :) I would think the vendors would be wary of someone who has a hard time keeping their mouth shut till there is really something to talk about.

Would have had a lot more shock factor if Juice would have shown up at a dyno day and cranked 600+ HP and THEN said he was running twins. :)

sdaver,

I was hesitatant to reply to your post since I certainly don't want to "fan any flames" that hopefully are going out. :o: It appears clear from these posts that when the developers are ready to post pictures they will do so since they are going to be selling the systems. :)

You and others on this thread are the very customers they are relying upon to buy their system so it is in their best interest to keep you informed and happy as well. This is a judgment they have to make: protect their interest while keeping their customer base happy. :p: They are well aware that others are likely working on the same or very similar types of systems to get to market. This is why we have Banks, MBRP, E/J, Predator, etc..... :)

It looks like you have a stompin' truck! I'm sure you'll enjoy the twins once they are approved for mass production and put on the market. Later. JJ :)
once again I think we agree..................my grief was with all the hype and no pictures...............I think hoots missed point should be revisited........(paraphrased)get few built work out the bugs and then hype and release................:ro)

Again, it looks like GJ has a problem with premature eja****. :) I would think the vendors would be wary of someone who has a hard time keeping their mouth shut till there is really something to talk about.

Would have had a lot more shock factor if Juice would have shown up at a dyno day and cranked 600+ HP and THEN said he was running twins. :)That was actually my plan. But Stefan let the cat out of the bag!
Ah well.

OnEdit to JJ: Yes, I guess i am power hungry; having said that, I also feel the need to thank everyone who's products that have found temporary residence on my truck at one time or another. I have a real mix of emotions right now. Part anguish, part excitement, and part withdrawl (from not having my truck)
That said, I HAD to part with my truck for the development.... there was no other way to 'Get R Done' without leaving it in their hands. I did leave it at DTT. I really want to see the DMX evolve into something that strikes fear into the dominant force in diesel truckpulling and dragracing. The CTD has an AWESOME track record that nobody can deny..... but we are starting to be heard with members like Kyle,Jess,Brandon,Kat, McRat,Buck, Michael Tomac, Trippin and many others. Me on the other hand, I do not compete in pulls. My sport disciplines are dragracing and dynoing.
All these companies deserve kudos for what they do..... it is their passion that drives us to higher numbers on the dyno, Full Pulls, and low E.T's .
In a lot of ways their passion for improving the breed is greater than ours, because they are creating a product and filling a percieved need from our community. Sometimes the process is not as fast as we would like, but we sure like to reap the benefits afterwards; and in that respect we sometimes lose our objectivity in a moment of pique. I Love testing new stuff! I remember years ago reporting to the Diesel Page (under the alias MaD MaX) about Edge's new Juice module..... how it unloaded the front suspension, smoked a bit and was all of 60 HP strong.... back in the day.... WOW! The reaction then as now... was skepticism. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Mods are doing a good job, too bad some are more human than most, but they DO try to strike a balance.... some fail at this, but we have to respect the fact that they are doing the best job they know how.
It will be interesting when i get the truck back. As I am typing this it is snowing outside. I can't wait to post important information like driveability, fuel MPG, SOTP impressions etc. Those are things I am allowed to comment on. Pictures will be at the manufacturer's discretion. We should be a bit more grateful that DTT has allowed me uncensored, to comment on the system in those regards.
It is a great time to own a DMX my friends, Good Luck at the Pulls, at the TRACK and on the DYNO!
Let's all do our best to make the Mighty "C" shake a bit this year when a DMX rolls up next to them!:ro)

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DTT is misleading people, compounded turbos are not twins. To the general public, you can say that they are twins but in fact they are compounded (one feeds the other). They are not the same. Twins are standalone.
Futhermore, is this forum about a qwest for power or bashing something most people dont understand. My system is safe, you can't damage the chargers or the engine (unless you are a jack**s). This system makes endless amounts of power, from 1100rpm's to 4500-5500*(?) you just never know!! Instead of worrying about who gets credit for the FIRST IN THE WORLD (what we hear are) TWINS on the so called market - understand that you can't have all the glory and only post the good not the bad, this is misleading. People can only take so much s**t before they call it like they see it and that is what your making it!!!!! I have spent severeal hours replying to people trying not to sell my kits, but to better the GM High Performance truck world (of which are not posted because I have not yet become a vendor). We have turbo charged gasoline 8.1 liters, that the ET's are faster than 10.90's (hoping that this 9800# slug will do at the track what it DID on the dino) but all everyone cares about or complains about is proof of DTT's so called twins. Cobbled my ass, even the street sweapers had the balls to post their mess but hey-- you just keep bashing everyone else. Meanwhile, I will be working on the next thing somebody already did, so what!!! Welcome back to our world!!!!!! Wolf pack sounds like the rat pack more work - less wine (eheheheh cry cry cry). See ya (if you get there ) Love, Tony !!!

ps>. If you decide not to post this you are more chicken s**t than they already think you are. Until you have somwthing knowledgable to say to the rest of the diesel world STFU or put up with it ..........................

CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
QUICKTIME!!!!!!:cool:


First off let me refer you to this post I made a week or so ago explaining the system that I had built.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23215&page=11&pp=10
So there really isn't any misleading going on. When people talk of twin turbos in the diesel world it means compounded chargers. In the gaser world twin turbos mean parallel.

I also said that when we had more data we would post it and we have posted as much of it as we have to this point. I dont yet have back pressure readings because I'm trying to finish the LB7 set. Then we will get a gauge installed to check everything.

Stefan posted about the twins because he was excited about them. It may not have been the smartest approach but generally if a shop is working on something people want to hear about it. If someone is working on the latest and greatest programmer guys want to know about it and dont require pictures. So why are we required to show pictures just to satisfy a few?

The reason I said best of luck with parallel turbos is because they dont offer the best of both worlds like compounds do unless they are VGT/VVT. If you have great low end the top end will suffer or if the top end is great the bottom end is poor. Parallel chargers do the same as what one larger charger would do. They are used for ease of installation on V'ed motors. There is no real benefit to using two smaller turbos when one larger one will do unless the larger one is not available with small enough housings. Here's an example: guys on the Dodge trucks tried two Holset HY-9's in parallel. They flow about 500-550cfm each. So two would flow 1000-1100cfm. The problem lies in the fact that you now have two 9cm2 exhaust housings creating basically a 18cm2 exhaust housing. Discounting the increased rotating assembly weight and drag from the compressor wheels and turbine wheels the additional housing size makes them laggy. Then you start adding all the other things and the performance goes out the door. So you can size them down to gain your bottom end back but then you could just run one B1 size turbo and be around 900cfm.

Nathan

Twin means two.

Twin turbo means two turbos.

Compound or descrete, twins are twins.....

http://www.bd-power.com/ram/product.php?pn=BD%20Super%20B%20Twin%20Turbos&tt=ram

Movie from the BD site (http://www.bd-vfi.com/bdmedia/movieclips/windows/02_BDDiesel.wmv)

All we care about is that now there will be two were once there was but one!
:muahaha:
And of course the awesome performance.:ro)

Stefan, GJ, Idahoctd
It's perfectly fine for you guys to be posting stuff because you're excited. No problem. When it's done it's done, and we'll just have to wait.

for truckpulling a set of actual twins on a Duramax turning 4500rpm would work great in the 2 charger Super Street/Pro Street class

Twins can be had in 3 main configurations
Sequential : One Small and one large turbocharger... small charger feeds engine and zipdrives the larger charger intil the larger can stay lit by itself, then the smaller charger is bypassed fully using an electronically active wastegae and flow is relegated to geeding the large charger soley. ECM Controlled

Compounded is the same but bereft of the ECM bypass, small charger still zipdrives the larger until the larger one drives past the smaller charger.

Parallel Twins or Bit-Turbo 2 Chargers of the same size recieving equal and independant exhaust flow.

Hmmm...

You could have:

Both turbos feeding off the same exhaust plenum, and both feeding the intake plenum.
One turbo feeding off the exh plenum, then the the other feeding off the exhaust from the first, and both feeding the intake plenum.
Both turbos feeding off the same exhaust plenum, the first one feeds the second one into the intake plenum.
One turbo feeding off the other's exh, the first one feeds the second one on intake.

Nick nac patty wack 'roll'em in a can', shake e'm up shake e'm up, throw them in a pan. :blahblah: .............. :wtf: :grd: :nopics:

Nick nac patty wack 'roll'em in a can', shake e'm up shake e'm up, throw them in a pan. :blahblah: .............. :wtf: :grd: :nopics:



:D

Hmmm...

You could have:

Both turbos feeding off the same exhaust plenum, and both feeding the intake plenum.
One turbo feeding off the exh plenum, then the the other feeding off the exhaust from the first, and both feeding the intake plenum.
Both turbos feeding off the same exhaust plenum, the first one feeds the second one into the intake plenum.
One turbo feeding off the other's exh, the first one feeds the second one on intake.

The problem with the second scenario is the small charger sucks the larger charger along (for lack of better terminology) in a compound setup because it receives air from the large charger which helps spool the larger charger. Another downfall is when one turbo runs a higher pressure then the other it will try to force air into the face of the other. One potential up side is a potential increase in cfm.

I was just a well know place on friday and their plans for the Dmax is a true twin (one each side) using VGT turbos feeding into 2 seperate ICs feeding into a semi-split plenum. But who knows how soon it'll be out.

I guess it could get even more complicated on the compound exhaust and compound intake.

You could have the flow "cross over" or stay in the same order. You could have the big one feeding the little one, or vise versa. So potentially 6 different plumbing configurations, not counting sequential "on demand" systems.

I like the K.I.S.S. system ......... Keep It Simple Stupid. When complicated stuff has a problem, you'll feel like doing this --> :duh::banghead: :confuzeld :idea: -:t

Lookin for infor on twin turbos and ran into this debacle...

What ever was the outcome. Man...

Pics are apparently gonna be avialable when Chad installs his.

One could assume they had to redesign to whole kit and caboodle and didn't want anyone laughing at the first gen pictures. :confused:

One could assume they had to redesign to whole kit and caboodle and didn't want anyone laughing at the first gen pictures. :confused: Somehow I doubt that...

So do I...

One could assume they had to redesign to whole kit and caboodle and didn't want anyone laughing at the first gen pictures. :confused:
The Piping and routing has not changed. This is a real nice piece of kit that did not take 3 years to get to market.

The LLY Kit is done, got $$$ order one up and :grd:

My truck is going Bye Bye in a couple weeks... I really do not want to give it up, but Stefan is lending me his Dually Twin LLY to ease the transition.

Then the LB7 TwinMax kit will be out for all to enjoy.
Piping is done, but they need my truck to fit all the pipes from all the kits to in order to ensure they are perfect when they ship out.

Thanks to all the patience of the board members about the no pics veil of secrecy.
To all those who have the bit o kit on the way, congratulations and get ready to have a whisper quiet exhaust, a puff of black and then 'colour me gone' acceleration.

I sincerly hope Y'all got a heck of a good time with it.
no studs required on mine and i have been towing at 46 psig boost.

Juice