I'm going to break down and buy a tranny for my 01. I know it's going to cost $4,000+ but thats the price to play. Here's what I want to do with my truck:


40% empty daily driving, I always run a chip and never back down from a race.


50% towing, several different trailers average weight 10,000 but sometimes up to 18,000 (I know, buy a Pete)


10% compition, I want to pull in 8,000# class and I will drag race.


Right now I'm running the TST w/140hp but when I get the tranny I'll send it off to get the comp programming, 250hp. Thats probably as far as I'm going to go on a regular basis, it's not out of the question to be stacking something in th future, but not likely.


I see ATS's tranny is adjustable as far as shift firmness, that is appealing to me for the 40% daily driving part. I don't know anyone around Omaha that has either tranny or I would go for a ride and see if I liked it.

Good question here.......I am going to be in the same boat as you with the same truck. Lets here it guys.....

I have not had any experience with ATS, but i have had a lot with Suncoast and am very happy with Joe Webb's (suncoast) transmissions. My vote is Suncoast.


mike

Joe seems to have the lead in R&D stuff.. Lots of neat stuff from him and you dont have to use a controllor. I have seen both fail under extreme use.. Never isntalled suncoast but have done ATS stuff....


Toss up either way I guess...

They both claim huge hp abilities... but both can be destroyed with those huge power levels.

I think the claims are a little excessive.

Don't know about the ATS but the Suncoast tranny still drives like it is stock. You wouldn't have a clue if you didn't know the tranny was done, other than when the converter locks up it feels firm, something the stock tranny never did .Rolling in 5th and hammer it, is truely awesome and something i could not do on my old tranny for sometime, without limp or zing. With what i am running(see sig,), from a stop, rubber in 1st, 2nd and chirp in 3rd, if rolling 20mph hammer down she'll bust loose and lay some rubber.


As far as monster power and using or should i say abusing your truck in truck pulls/1/4 mile runs, both have had to do some homework. Seems like it is all ironed out know and hopefully they've got these things bullet proof.


Suncoast has been top notch in my books as far as service and calling back promptly. I am glad that i made the drive to get Suncoast to install the tranny, 1- to make sure they were the last ones in there incase problem arises, 2- i like to meet who i am dealing with when putting that much $$$ down and so far away.


Tomac seems to be doing pretty well with his ATS and putting down some good times, likewise with one of our members here (name witheld) has a Suncoast and is putting down equal or better times.


Both companies seem to be a great choice. Best bet is too listen too our trials and tribulations and give either company a call and see what you get out of all of this. Definetely a tough decision.


I will say this, if your going to the power levels that i am at and several others here, the stock converter will not hold. First hand(was driving) from a buddy that did his clutches, but not the converter. Tranny was fine with 120pred stacked with 145 edge, but when 215 quad was inserted instead of the pred. bad news can't handle it.


My vote goes to Suncoast from my experience and information. Biased answer yes, but thats pretty much all your gonna get with guys that have done there tranny, of course there gonna stick with what they bought. Good luck deciding. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Later Jeremy http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I just can't imagine how any of these aftermarket auto trannys are holding up to 1/4 mile starts at 10+ pounds of boost. That has to be the ultimate auto tranny torture!


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Any One from CT wanna chime in here,


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Is There Any Way The Dealer Can Tell You Have Suncoast or ats Installed With There Tech 2 Or Any Other Way?

Can't speak for the ATS but, so far what I've witnessed with the Suncoast isn't too impressive when it comes to the product or the service.

I like hearing all the "I have seen it with my own eyes"....."seen it for myself"....."from what I've seen"............


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Man you guys aint got the nuts ..... Hold on I Gotta go check my messages ....

I've "seen" to much ....

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I've "seen" to much ....


Exactly what have you seen buddy...........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

C'mon, a lot of you guys that have trannys sure arent speakin up much, tell us about your experiences, thoughts, likes/dislikes, give us your opinions, everyone wants to give opinions, go for it.

Well I got mine updated to the new level 5 on wednesday. 22k miles without a noticiable slip or zing. Mine was the first sold and and still had some of the prototype parts and a 150 psi torque convertor valve. Its now been upgraded to the 190 psi valve and the new c1 piston assembly along with a new style c2 and c3(the first by the way) The install took about 6 hours and along the way they welded a bung for my attitude post turbo and installed a new rear diff cover. Great guys Thanks Joe, Ron, Mrs Webb and everyone for the hospitality. The tranny is still in fast learn but shifts have settled right back the way they were before the update.
The bad news is that on my way from Ft Walton to Seaside a 20 yearold with a camry smashed my front passenger side door(she changed lanes without looking)Fortunately no one was hurt
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Still at the beach fished with my brother and swam in the gulf with the kids today 80 degrees.....a trip to suncoast can be great family getaway to the most beautiful beaches in the USA
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Thanks for replying sdaver, do you plan on doing any drag racing or anything like that?

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I had the triple disc, transgo, and new clutches installed at suncoast.. My tranny sometimes shifts ok, though most of the time it shifts like you're speedshiftng a stick shift... Revs and then catches... Anyone else have these problems?? Joe and the staff were all "very" nice to deal with.. I told him of the problem as soon as I arrived home.. He told me next time I was up that way, he'd take care of it.. By the way, I think I have the slowest dmax with the tranny upgrade.. You all tell me... My best time is 14.45 in 2wd running the 35's.. horrible 60's were due to wheel spin.. In the 2.2's... The truck ran 14.51 with 39's before the tranny upgrade.. What do you all think of this... Best time only dropped 6 hundreths..

39's might have something to do with it being alittle slow........215/comp is faster than anything with a predator in it

Morse, try runnin the 39's in 2 wheel, might hook better or run 4 wheel with the 35's. Your truck is heavier and bucks more wind also.


Diesels Forever, check out the PPE kit, its a ATS converter and transgo+c2&amp;c3's. It has a pretty good hp rating also. check out their website. pacificp.com

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ora 1200 dual alt kit???

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Some wire From Radio Shack -- $5.00


A few Connectors for the TCM from GM -- $8.00


2 - Red LED from Radio Shack for High Idle &amp; OD Lockout-- $4.89


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My truck is wierd I guess... Before the trans upgrade, my best times were as follows.. 15.0 with stock tires... 14.72 with 35's.. 14.51 with 39's... It actually got faster with the larger tires.. After my trans upgrade, I've only been to the track once... I just happened to have the 35's on.. It ran a 14.45 in 2wd (2.2 60).. I can't launch my truck in 4wd with anything but the stock tires or the front tires jump off the ground alternating from left to right.. I ordered my Attitude 145.. Do yall think It'll go any faster at all with it?? 14's are depressing since I've done the trans thing...


I have the stock tires on it now bc I'm trying to sell the other sets of wheels/tires and lift so I can make it set stock to hopefully run some better times at the track...

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I had the Suncoast Stage 1 kit installed this past week. My truck drives like stock when my foot's not into it. Under hard acceleration, shifts are very fast and firm, but I wouldn't call them harsh at all (no banging or clunking, etc).


I did some research before choosing my upgrade. I think the Transgo shift kit is the lowest common denominator I'd consider for any upgrade - it's just a solid design that strengthens the Allison where needed.


For the TC upgrade, there are several options including (at least)Suncoast, ATS, and TTS. After looking at some burnt C3 clutches from another Dmax, I saw that only about 1/3 of the clutch surface was burnt, which is from cover deflection I am told. I know for sure that Suncoast and TTS converters reinforce the cover to prevent deflection; I'm sure ATS probably does as well.


Another thing to consider is that the converter stall speed can differ from one converter design to another. This affects at what RPM the tranny engages; too low a stall can result in dogish off the line performance.


In the end I went with the Suncoast single disk billet converter because I'll probably not exceed 400-450RWHP, I don't race or pull, and just tow a 10k trailer occasionally. The ATS seemed more race-oriented with its features. The TTS single disk would likely have been just as effective as the Suncoast single disk.


I am no expert, but taking the time to talk to each of these companies and to others here can help you make an informed decision. I couldn't be happier with mine.


Doug

My truck is wierd I guess... Before the trans upgrade, my best times were as follows.. 15.0 with stock tires... 14.72 with 35's.. 14.51 with 39's... It actually got faster with the larger tires.. After my trans upgrade, I've only been to the track once... I just happened to have the 35's on.. It ran a 14.45 in 2wd (2.2 60).. I can't launch my truck in 4wd with anything but the stock tires or the front tires jump off the ground alternating from left to right.. I ordered my Attitude 145.. Do yall think It'll go any faster at all with it?? 14's are depressing since I've done the trans thing...


I have the stock tires on it now bc I'm trying to sell the other sets of wheels/tires and lift so I can make it set stock to hopefully run some better times at the track...




You need to talk to Michael Tomac