I haven't heard much lately on the LLY six-gun. Is it still causing problems or are there happy stories not being told.

I have a connection with a Banks Dealer and can get a good price, but if its just problems a good deal doesn't matter.

I am not looking for the best 1/4 mile times, I want a reliable item that I can play with w/empty on higher settings and tow my camper/boat at lower settings and not have turbo bark problems and driveablity issues and lots of additional noises like some other programers. And I like the 6 setting on-the-fly dial.


Thanks Max

So far, so good. Just a little idle surge while warming up ( but it may not be the Banks, as I have read), also a slight sewing machine noise a low accelaration(only) when the running temp hasn't been reached.

I don't believe the LLY 6-gun has any problems, just people limping their Allison so far. This will happen when you add 124hp.

There have been reports of limping in settings 3 and 4 with moderate driving, this is my concern.

I am having problems with 6 gun. I am barking my turbo everytime i am out driving and that is in level1. My mpg are way down. They are working with me to find out what is going on. It only happens over 4,000 feet in elevation. All is fine with out the banks computer installed.

I just installed the 6 Gun & Speedloader last week, and am having problems, but I'm not absolutely sure it's a Banks problem yet. I have 4500 pampered miles on my LLY Alli with EGR plated and Fingered & high idle installed. Since the install, the power is very impressive - but intermittently when I stop at a light in gear at idle with the brake on I have a terrible missing-surge and huge billows of blue smoke. If I put it in neutral or park it smooths out, and when the light turns and I accelerate it runs great. It does it in #'s 1 thru 6. However, yesterday I took it out and put my foot in it and for the next half hour I had no problem. Maybe the injectors needed blown out a little. I'll know more tomorrow after driving it some more. If it does it again, I'm going to disconnect it and see if the problem disappears. Then I'll have the codes read. I waited a long time for Banks to come out with another great and dependable unit, so I hope this is solved soon. I'll post whatever conclusions I come to.

okauto,
Have you limped your tranny yet? Level 3 should be 50hp and level 4 about 75hp with speedloader. The Allison should be able to withstand these gains.

okauto,
Have you limped your tranny yet? Level 3 should be 50hp and level 4 about 75hp with speedloader. The Allison should be able to withstand these gains.

No I haven't. When I said mine had been pampered - it has never even seen passing gear yet, was broken in by the book, and has had the oil changed 4 times in 4500 miles. Also, every possible thing that can be added to the stock unit is now done so I can enjoy it for the long haul. I keep a vehicle forever, and maintain them accordingly. So, maybe that's my problem. It may need kicked in the Censored a little. I just wanted everything broken in and seated up before I really worked it. I did think I saw a similar problem posted a couple weeks ago, but have been unable to find it. - Still, I'm not throwing rocks until I test it a little more to find the cause.

As per my previous post - I disconnected the Six gun/speedloader this afternoon and drove it until warm 185 F. +. (It didn't give me the - surge at a stop with brake on problem - until it warmed to at least 185 before). After disconnecting Bank's unit I could not get it to surge or blow blue smoke when I stopped in gear with the brake on. I'll drive it again tomorrow to confirm, but for right now I'm inclined to believe the Six Gun & Speedloader is causing the surge and blue smoke fuel dumping at idle problem, or intensifying an original problem to where it is obnoxious. I have not had the codes read again since having them cleared with the EGR & Finger mod. I'd like to see if any have surfaced, so I'll have them checked tomorrow to see if any pop up. I'm open for suggestions. I have not had a reflash done yet, - maybe it's time.

Just got the latest Re-flash done. (second one on this truck). So far with lots of stops and starts, surging and fuel smell is gone. Idleing in reverse seemed to have the worst symptoms, and it is all normal now. I think adding the Banks just enhanced the problem like others have said. I'm very happy now!

Okauto: I think you definetly need to have the reflash. I experienced some of your symptoms before I had mine reflashed. Since then I have not had any problems. That I believe is where you need to start.

Eric

akauto,
Get to the dealer for the reflash and see if the problem persists. It looks like this may solve your problems.

Anyone know when the newest flash was released? I had mine done about 3-4 months ago and it updated the orginal flash from a build date of May 04. Do I need to go back and have it done again? I dont have the surge problem but it looks like I will be getting the six-gun, so will it make the surge show it ugly face?

Their are a couple of steps to fix these issues,You will have to PM for the steps and Procedure.(The Moderaters on this site feel I am Promoting when answering Questions)Sorry for the inconvenience.

I just got the six gun and will install the speed loader soon but so far so good great smooth power and no extra noise like the power pup.I will dyno it tomorrow if its not raining

I have the 6-gun bundle on my 2004.5 LLY. Prior to the 6 gun, I had the Hypertech, which significantly out performed the 6 gun. The 6 Gun has excessive smoke when you get on the truck in levels 3-6. I have spoken to Banks and they acknowledged the problem. They asked me to take them my truck; they further stated it would take them several days of testing. In addition, they informed me that these issues only arise when somebody other then banks installs the bundle. I had there recommended <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>San Diego</st1:place></st1:City> dealer install the product. When they say your MPG will go up that is not true mine went down. I liked the Hypertech much better.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

I just ran my truck on the dyno with the six gun.

I just ran my truck on the dyno with the six gun.And?

sorry.MBRP DUALS,AFE STAGE 2,BFG285-75-16,BANKS SIX GUN ON #1 MAXPOWER255.6 HP @3100RPM MAX TORQUE450.7 @2600RPM...SIXGUN ON LEVEL#3.... MAXPOWER310.1HP @3100RPM MAX TORQUE 577.6 @2600RPM....SIXGUN ON LEVEL 6.MAXPOWER:356.2 @3100 RPM MAX TORQUE 681.3 @2600 RPM........So the best I got was 100hp and 231 gain in torque,next I will install the speed loader and try stacking it with the power pup.So far the banks kit feels solid ,smooth and quiet,I did notice a little surge in reverse with the ac on it only happened once so it might be adjusting.

Thats impressive looks like banks is holding up its end of the bargan

Hmmmm, sixgun on level 6 got 356 rwhp? I thought they were bragging how theirs was stronger than Edge? I have seen several 370 rwhp slips with the Edge, including my own.

DSTRBD,


Remember he doesn't have the speedloader hooked up yet. That supposed to be good for another 24HP.

Looks like they're right on with their claims.

Sounds like its neck and neck with the Edge/Attitude. 370ish is about it. With a beefed up trans. I jumped up to 420 rwhp same dyno same weekend.

How is the shifting/driveability with the Banks stuff? Heard it was not so good.

I am waiting on Approval From GBE to post The Corrected Procedure that T&C has Been Using to correct the smoke and Idle issues,PLEASE those members that I sent the new Procedure Do not post it UNTIL approved. If you live in Twin Cities Metro area and would like this performed on your Vehicle send PM with contact Info. T&C.

T&C, I am very interested to see the procedure posted here. Hope it is approved soon. Thanks. --wheeler

my truck runs smooth with the six gun no smoke. Not much smoke even on level six the trans seems to shift the same as stock.The turbo does not spool up any faster.The only thing I've noticed is that in reverse I get a surge at idle.

Mine shifts much quicker and firmer after I installed the 6-gun on my LB7. Do you have the speedloader? Any comments on the added power?

I am currently testing the 6 gun on my 05 Crew Cab Dually and So far it ROCKS.

Far better throttle response and turbo boost curve than I have seen so far.

Transmisson shifts are perfect.

going on a trip this weekend to test mileage towing.

I just installed the 6-gun w/speed loader, now I would like to know what I should and shouldn't do with it, I am an average driver who likes to kick it once in awhile. What levels are safe and what level should I do my every day driving in?
I ran it today and felt an enormous amount of power compared to not having it installed (did it myself- not too bad).:cool2:

What is a reflash? My truck was purchased in April, and what does it do for me? I now have 25,000 miles. Do I need one?:help2:

I just installed the 6-gun w/speed loader, now I would like to know what I should and shouldn't do with it, I am an average driver who likes to kick it once in awhile. What levels are safe and what level should I do my every day driving in?
I ran it today and felt an enormous amount of power compared to not having it installed (did it myself- not too bad).:cool2:

What is a reflash? My truck was purchased in April, and what does it do for me? I now have 25,000 miles. Do I need one?:help2:

If your tuner has no loping or smoke issues you have current flash,If you are having loping and smoke you need the updated flash.
Level 3 every day driving ,level 4 If you like it, 5&6 for cruising.If you have upgrade TC/VB,Pump, level 5, Level 6 for full boat upgrade Racing, TC/VB,Pump, clutchs,Pilot. If you Run in level 6 and race With stock Trans you will set codes,Your allision is mighty But Not that Mighty. Upgrade your Trans first if you plan on running level 6 regularly.

Thanks for the advice.
Do you know if there is a book or pamphlet out with a set of "norms" for the Banks or do I grab a notepad and jump on the highway and do my own. Different speeds and temps??


These are my mods to date
AFE stage II
Banks 4" exhaust
Banks 6-gun w/ speedloader

Every truck will be a little diff than the next, due to truck config and mods..............a notepad will be your answer

What is loping?

If your tuner has no loping or smoke issues you have current flash,If you are having loping and smoke you need the updated flash.
Level 3 every day driving ,level 4 If you like it, 5&6 for cruising.If you have upgrade TC/VB,Pump, level 5, Level 6 for full boat upgrade Racing, TC/VB,Pump, clutchs,Pilot. If you Run in level 6 and race With stock Trans you will set codes,Your allision is mighty But Not that Mighty. Upgrade your Trans first if you plan on running level 6 regularly.

If your tuner has no loping or smoke issues you have current flash,If you are having loping and smoke you need the updated flash.
First of all how do you reflash a tuner?? Just because a truck doesn't lope or smoke, it doesn't mean it has the latest calibration. Its possible to not have the latest updates and still have a good running engine. If all these trucks that are having issues with Banks just need and updated calibration, why doesn't Banks tell them? ROBGMC's truck has the latest calibration and still isn't right, so then what? Rob, loping can also be described as an unstable idle, up and down say 100-200RPM's or so. 50RPM loping idle is normal, per GM.

What is loping?
Sort of like a 'hillbilly cam' the choke 1/2 on ):h

The only time I had the loping was in gear at idle and letting off the brake so the truck was creeping, then u could really feel the surge/jerking.
The rpm on dash didn't move much but the attitude was all over the place.

Here are my results from GM--Do I need a reflash???? The first page had all the check marks in the green.
I ran my truck again this morning- I had an initial "hunting" at start up but it went away pretty quickly.
I ran level three pretty hard from a stop and my Turbo boost went to almost 3, what is safe for that?
I really didn't feel like the truck was jerking at a stop or in reverse with my foot on the brake.
I am thinking the Banks and my truck are getting along pretty good so far?
Any more suggestions on how to test it out "safely"



Selected # Description

15141668 Operating system

15245557 Service cal fixes: engine combustion knock elimination/reduction at 80 to 140 Mpa rail pressure under light to medium throttle driving, rough idling and white smoking condition elimination/reduction, low speed light throttle driving surge elimination

15245549 Service cal fixes: engine combustion knock elimination/reduction at 80 to 140 Mpa rail pressure under light to medium throttle driving, rough idling and white smoking condition elimination/reduction, low speed light throttle driving surge elimination
21996487 Engine diagnostic
15136389 Fuel system

15282640 New calibration to reduce the potential for the engine coolant hot temperature telltale coming on prematurely.
15087292 SPEEDOMETER

First of all how do you reflash a tuner?? Just because a truck doesn't lope or smoke, it doesn't mean it has the latest calibration. Its possible to not have the latest updates and still have a good running engine. If all these trucks that are having issues with Banks just need and updated calibration, why doesn't Banks tell them? ROBGMC's truck has the latest calibration and still isn't right, so then what? Rob, loping can also be described as an unstable idle, up and down say 100-200RPM's or so. 50RPM loping idle is normal, per GM.Who said the tuner needs the Update.The tuner is calibrated to the newest Program from GM.All of are customer have express some concern over the updated flash from GM ,all have been happy with both (Tuner & Flash).Do you want to tackle this Now, or wait until customer arrives at your door.GBE may have drop the ball on this one, But is being address.ROBGMC I will PM you My phone #.

Most LLY tunes were based on the initial tune that was released just over a year ago.

Unless Banks just started development 3 months ago, they developed it with the "old tune".

Neither the original version of GM's stock LLY software or the newest one have an idle that changes 200 rpm.

If someone is saying it's the factory flash that does it, I'm extremely skeptical considering I've yet to see an LLY tuner that reacts different to either flash. Yes, I've had both.

We had two LLY"s 01/04 ,and one 06/04 The latter build date was fine, one 01/04 had the update the other did not,also thier are lb7"s build in between these dates....Some trucks that had dealer service got the update and the owners were not aware of it.

After testing out the Banks that I installed, I finally read the instructions (go figure):badidea: apparently I never let the Tuner meet the speed loader. So I did what the instructions said so the programmer would reconize it. Then went back out for a run, all is well but now I have that surge with the brake on, like I have read ? So is there something I need to do so no damage will accur? I am a little leary after reading about the guy with the burned out pistons (which I thought was odd).
What do you think T&C?
I checked out level 4 lots of power there, so what kind of upgrades for the Tranny. How much am I looking at $, I would rather upgrade then replace- if you know what I mean. And what the heck is a "Finger"

Thanks

I like it, level 4 please!

Level 3 every day driving ,level 4 If you like it, 5&6 for cruising.I have just never seen the different power levels described that way, a little to technical for me. Don't be so sensitive.

Misunderstanding ,I will Delete My Post ,Sorry Todd

Here's the latest on my 6-gun w/ speedloader. (LLY)
I just took a 400 mile trip on the interstate in level 6 the truck performed pretty good.
My MPG was 18.1 cruising 75-80 miles per hour, my turbo boost was averaging 2-6 psi unless I kicked it Exhaust temps. between 6-8 hundred. But with the cruise control set it seemed that the engine speed caught up so quickly that I swear My Grandmother was driving it (stepping on the gas and letting go, stepping on the gas and letting go etc.) My Turbo seemed to be skipping 5 psi it would hick-up and jump to 6 and back to 4???? Then after I got off the highway I put the 6-gun to all levels including stock, and I had that hunt with the brake on or as I have been told the loping. So I called Banks and they said I need to send my tuner back to get flashed or have the dealer update the comp. in the truck. The power seemed endless- womping on the peddle and see-ya........... nice.:grd: Just hoping the dealer will flash my comp. and solve the little things.

Make Sure if dealer does flash that the Six-Gun is disconnected ,Just Put the two Main pin connectors back to stock.If dealer does flash with tuner in place it will fry the tuner.Get the flash from GM, Everyone that has got it have been happy with both (tuner & flash).

Problem just came up----

I was screwing around and the truck I think de-fueled or something. I was in level 6 and the truck just slowed down but the rpm's stayed up (yes I was running it hard) and now the check engine light is on. Is there any way to reset this by myself or does the dealer have to do it???
Is it still safe to run the truck?:help2: The six-gun is steady green (no faults came up)


LLY
AFE STAGE 2
4" EXHAUST
BANKS 6 GUN W/ SPEED LOADER

Try disconnecting the batteries for 20 minutes. Touch the positive to negative leads together to drain all the power out of the ECM.

If that doesn't work, you should probably buy a code reader/resetter. I use a Predator for reading/resetting codes, and even though I'm not running the Predator tunes much, it's handy for diagnostics.

Problem just came up----

I was screwing around and the truck I think de-fueled or something. I was in level 6 and the truck just slowed down but the rpm's stayed up (yes I was running it hard) and now the check engine light is on. Is there any way to reset this by myself or does the dealer have to do it???
Is it still safe to run the truck?:help2: The six-gun is steady green (no faults came up)


LLY
AFE STAGE 2
4" EXHAUST
BANKS 6 GUN W/ SPEED LOADER

I would check the fuel filter .. sounds like what happens even when stock if you put it to the floor....on level 6 it might be taking just a fuzz more fuel that the filter cares to flow.

Tried both suggestions, no-go.

I will continue running it and see what happens, all temps and pressures are normal. The book says it may clear itself after a few starts and stops. But as hard as I ran it I am guessing I threw a code.
Thanks for the advice.

Tried both suggestions, no-go.

I will continue running it and see what happens, all temps and pressures are normal. The book says it may clear itself after a few starts and stops. But as hard as I ran it I am guessing I threw a code.
Thanks for the advice.Does it just run to 2000 rpm's? Still shift all gears but funny like? If so sounds like the dreaded 1093. Go to Autozone/PepBoys/Advance Auto Parts and ask if they can read it. They will also be able to clear the code and it will be all better. I've done this before a few times.

OK it did clear after a few starts and stops.
So this is one I will remember in the future.

Thanks for the input.

OK it did clear after a few starts and stops.
So this is one I will remember in the future.

Thanks for the input.Now you can breath. But if you can, next time try and get the codes read. I still say it sounds like a 1093.

It sounds like you limped the tranny. The SES light will go off after a couple of starts. When we limped the tranny on an 04 with the Powerpup 155hp, all we had to do was slip the tranny into "N" for a couple of seconds and then back to "Drive" and it reset. I know on the older models you had to pull over and actually turn the truck off for ten seconds for it to reset.

You definitely set off the 1093. That has happened twice to me now. First time was a surprise, unexpected of course. The second time was this past saturday night. I was prepared for any trouble, so I packed the code reader in the truck. When the engine light came up, I read and cleared the code and everything was fine. When I started up a hill and got on the accelerator, check engine light again(running level 1). Checked and cleared. And then anytime I accelerated again, check engine light would come up. Needless to say, it wasn't fun driving the rest of the way home with the check engine light popping up anytime I accelerated after reading and clearing the code. Next morning, everything was ok:confused: . Don't know what is going on with this truck. Fuel filter only has about 1500miles on it:confused: Oh well, we'll see what happens.

Here's one for you, I installed the Banks 6-gun and Speed Loader. Now the vehicle is "loping"I went to the dealership to get the most current Flash- they said it would cost me $72.00 because any alteration to the vehicle voids the warranty, so I contacted Banks and told them of the "Loping ", but didn't mention that I tried to get a flash from the dealer. Now they want me to send them back my Tuner so they can re-program it, I asked them why they didn't do it before they sent it to me????? You would think they would have, they knew what engine I had when I ordered it!!!!!!!
So now I have power and I have to give it back because someone didn't do what they should have before they shipped it.... what's up with that??
So now I am going to have to wait a month "total" to get my sh..t back???
Hey I like what Banks has but there is one thing I know, they already have my money so now I am at their mercy.

Now here is a question,
Should I try again to get the dealer to flash it and send Banks the bill? Think they would pay for it? Or should I contact the sales rep at banks and tell them who the service manager is and see if they will help me? Or should I go without the power for a month?

Remove the programmer, and try a different dealer until you get the re flash. Then re-install Banks and see if it lopes, if it still does, send it in.

What alteration is it that you have done? Banks? Shouldn't of been there when you went to the dealer.

Took mine to the shop 3 weeks ago had all updates done and 1 injector replaced. Installed Six gun and my truck is loping again, I called Banks and they said send it in so thats what I am going to do. I am also experiencing problems with my truck spitting and sputtering, with white smoke during take off while the motor is below 180 degrees. I don't know if this is a Banks issue or another LLY injector problem. Any suggestions??????