Racor part number RK32313, available after 1/04/2004 from Racor distributors. It will include R60 filter, heater, water separator that will hook into existing electronics, bracket, all hoses and connectors. It will be frame mounted pre OEM. The retail price is $410. GM dealers may carry the kit at some time next year.


Steve


Included:

- 660R1210 filter (660 filter with 12 volt heater and 10 micron Aquabloc
media)
- Bracket
- Heater, relay, & harness
- Water probe with built-in electronics & harness with connections to the
existing water-in fuel warning system.
- Custom hose connection hardware for breaking into existing hard lines


Hope this clears up what's in the kit.
Edited by: fishdmax

so all I need to do is add a WIF and downgrade to a 10mic filter and you all will be happy? I can do that... Hmmm 410.00? I will do it for 390.00!!

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!! I put my 2micron on the frame for about $100 plus my time. I can't figure out why they would take a step back.

I think the idea is that you should be doing incremental filtering starting with a coarser filter first and then going to a finer filter. The coarser filter PRE filters the fuel and , doesn't clog up as fast if you were using a finer PRE filter. It then also lets the main filter do a better job since it is see fuel that is already filtered.

Problem is that according to George that the 5 to 10 micron range is the most harmful. Sure a second 10 mic may take off stress off the OEM, but I want finer filtered fuel, not two of the same things.


Once my strap project is underway, I'm moving my Cat from the airbox to either a higher locale in the engine, or pre-oem along the frame rail. I went to the larger Cat at my last filter change and I'm getting prime loss every 3-4 days again. Fed up with it, so it's either a different locale with maybe better luck or pre and I'd rather run my Cat at 2 mic vs another Racor at 10 mic. Plus $400+ is alittle too much for that setup IMHO

The OEM filter is not rated at 10mm, it is rated at2 but doesn't do a good job. Pre Filtering at 10 should make it work better. I'm not trusting it either way, just giving you what I think is their logic.





I'll stick with my MEGA in the post position.

I believe "racor" posted on tdp a couple months back, that a person should be able to replace the 10 micron filter with a 2 micron filter. Then you would have fine filtered fuel, and the benefits of the water in fuel sensor and the heater option, which both interface with existing electronics.


I am hoping these can be picked up for 300 to 350, because I have found some racor dealers that sell for considerably less than msrp.


Hoss

I can produce the same thing for around 325.00, maybe less. With a 2 micron filter and a 90 series filter instead, which is bigger... all ready to install...

I thought there was suppose to be a built in pump with this integrated design. I agree, that price is exorbitant. There are better choices out there!

Installed a Cat 1R0750 2 micron post OEM on a Permacool base for under $80 for parts & 1hr my labor. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

If I hear what everyone is saying, Racor better get more competitive if this is the long-awaited and highly touted new product. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

the truth is that there isn't anything super about it. basically all filter kits give you similar things.. they just bundle some of their products together and throw in a bracket and some markup. i'm still surprised they put it there since you have to cut the steel lines..

Ok, now I'm confused http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif . What micron rating is the OEM filter, which (if I understand correctly) is made by Racor, as is all other replacement filters for the OEM location of the Dmax ?

How about this idea...Why do we after spending $7000 for a diesel engine option should have to worry about pre and post filtration! Our truck should of had the BEST filter for the application. I am always wanting to add bigger and better to my truck but something GM is proud of like the DuraMax they should have takin care of that for us. Not put us in a position to spend another $200-$400 bucks to make the fuel system safer.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

The Racor Corporation supplemental fuel filter kit offers a few things that the others do not.


First, it has the blessings of GM/DMAX_Ltd, at least that is what Racor (forum name on TDP) indicated. He worked for Racor in a project manager capacity and I asked him that question directly. So for those of you who are worried about your vehicle warranty being voided by adding supplemental filtering, this kit is for you. (There seemed to be a lot of concern about this around here,,,, remember the topic that went on for a long period of time debating this?)


Second, it incorporates a WIF sensor which the others do not have. The WIF along with the heater are incorporated into the truck electronics as Fishdmax notes above. As the sophistication of these kits increase, so does the price.


So if the above items are important for you, then maybe this is your supplemental fuel filter kit. If the above are not a priority, then you can find some excellent kits from Nicktane, Lubespecialist, Kennedy or do-it-yourself for about $150 or so less in price.





Some notes: All Racor series 400/600 filters are interchangeable. So you can put any one of three size filters (R45, R60 and R90) on the filter head. Likewise, you can use the three different filter media (2, 10 and 30 um). While the list price is $410, you can generally get the Racor filters for at least a 20% discount.Edited by: OC_DMAX

FirstDiesel,


My concern with the post oem is still the warranty issue. My service manager says he was told pre was ok post was not (mess with the fuel going directly into the motor at your own risk was his point). The tests that George ran indicated a cleaner fuel from the Racor,etc, 2 mic. filters than from the oem. For me the worst case is my 2 mic. pre oem is my primary filter. The best is that it works better and doesn't create any warranty risk.


Bob

Victory Red,


I had my CAT 2um filter mounted on the AC bracket but was concerned about the vibration and moved it under the AirBox. Had Air problems every 4-8 days. I thought I could live with the priming it occassionally until it caused my bride to be stranded a few times (ouch that hurt, quit hitting me!!) Moved it back to the AC bracket. Same hoses, same clamps, same everything except the position. No more air issues. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Easy to get to, easy to monitor, clean rig-up, and easy to show off. No more removing the headlight and opening the vent, and no more priming except when the filters are replaced. BTW, mine is post OEM.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Best of all, I can send my wife off with the horses and not worry about getting a call from some trail head about the !@#@#!! truck won't start. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Hug.gif


I recommend moving it if air is an issue. There has been enough conversations, threads, and flame throwing on the subject to choke us all, but I have yet to read about air problems from those of us that have their filters mounted "high". For what its worth.


Mitch

The Racor Corporation supplemental fuel filter kit offers a few things that the others do not.


First, it has the blessings of GM/DMAX_Ltd, at least that is what Racor (forum name on TDP) indicated. He worked for Racor in a project manager capacity and I asked him that question directly. So for those of you who are worried about your vehicle warranty being voided by adding supplemental filtering, this kit is for you. (There seemed to be a lot of concern about this around here,,,, remember the topic that went on for a long period of time debating this?)


...





Does anyone know if this filter system will ONLY carry GM's blessing (no warranty voidy) if installed by a GM dealer, or will they let you self install it?


cadman_ks

My Service Manager says that any thing that YOU install, YOU own. Any maintance or other problems with that item are yours,PERIOD.


So, if you install your filter & later have problems due to an air leak that they find, you pay the bill.

Chipper - would you please provide information on part number and place of purchase of the Perma Cool filter head?


Texmax


Thanks

QUOTE

So, if you install your filter & later have problems due to an air leak that they find, you pay the bill.
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Hello all

This is what i keep telling everyone.. The bottom line if you add your going to pay.. Your on your own.. I dont get
it.. Why do you want to add stuff to voild your fuel system
We have a rig OEM and it runs fine at 147,000.. YOU PLAY
you pay.. Just read what the other poster said .. GM will
Not play Games .. There looking for people that add stuff

I can't play GM's game got to many trucks to worry about
after 100,000 I might do something

Manager told me some one last month came in with a leaking filter install and cut the lines.. He had to put
it back to oem before GM would fix it or Play big bucks

From steve
Fleet

The Racor unit above is an add-on. Independent of whether the dealer installs it, it is not covered by the OEM warranty. That warranty only covers the truck as originally built by GM. So if either you or the dealer screw-up the installation, GM is not responsible.


That is the way I would read the situation.

QUOTE
I dont get it.. Why do you want to add stuff to voild your fuel system
From steve
Fleet


This is like deja-vu all over again. It's not because anyone likes to add stuff, nor wants to void the warranty, rather the fuel design is flawed and if left unchecked shorter injector life, among other things, may result. It comes down to how long each owner expects to keep his or her truck. If one wants to keep it only within the warranty period, then there shouldn't be a care in the world about this problem.

Mitch,


Photos of your install would be fantastic. Right about now I'm ready to try just about anything. While I'm in the machine shop I'll have to quickly make a similiar bracket. Hopefully this'll work well for me, I get tired of the comments from co-workers when I pop my hood and have to prime. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

Rick, I haven't had a no-start on my Mega filter yet. I intentionally went 2 weeks and 50+ starts without priming but did a precautionary prime before turning it over to the body shop while I was in Argentina for a week and they were working on my bed. I kept putting off buying a long screwdriver, so I finally cobbled-up a sightglass and primer extension that allows me to vent it with a stubby from the glovebox and also vent without squirting fuel all over my airbox pan and headlight. Still haven't had to vent since installing the sightglass, but it's only been a week.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/EBF_vent.jpghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/C39_vent2.jpg

Fact: I’ve owned this truck for two years and have 24,000 miles on it.
Fact: It will go out of warranty in three years with about 60,000 miles on it.
Fact: If I have a problem, it will most likely occur after the warranty expires.
Fact: I’ll take my chances the warranty won’t cover any problems.
Fact: The SmartFix is to prevent problems later by taking preventive action now. Fact: smartfix, you just don’t get it!

I did about the same thing as Idle-Chatter and have never had a no start. I never bled air in the 12,000 miles between filter changes. I did however remove all the QD fuel lines. I feel better knowing I am getting clean fuel as I suspect the injecors will go 100,001 miles before failure.

I will say it again....I have no problem adding to my truck in fact I love the idea, that is why I have a truck! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifBut if the fuel system is flawed GM needs to fix the problem by putting these pre and post filters on to make it righthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif. That Duramax label is VERY expensive and we collectively should not have to pay for it!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif Also the bottem line is diesel fuel is VERY dirty...and diesel engines need to be able to handle it when they are built. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Like I said before I am new to the Duramax and my last two Strokers had zero fuel problems...not counting the one time gel that I had from bad fuel(can happen to anyone).


Hell, after reading all these posts about filters and additives I am afraind to even look at my fuel cap.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Victory Red, I think this is what you are looking for. Later! Frank


http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rm11234/lst?.dir=/Engine+Mounted+Racor+660&.view=t

Racor part number RK32313, available after 1/04/2004 from Racor distributors. ..... GM dealers may carry the kit at some time next year.





I'm confused.


Wasn't there a post a while back about GM working with Racor and GM/Racor coming out with a kit that would be offered thru GM dealers?


Is this NOT that kit?, or was I imagining the whole thing about GM coming up with an "approved" installation?


cadman_ks

Frank,


That does help somewhat, but I'm more interested in the clearance issues with the Cat. Anyhow I can probably steal some of the ideas for the bracket and try to get the Cat in the same place.


Tom,


I almost went the Mega initially, but the Cat parts were easier for me to get. I had most of the problems eliminated with the 1r-750(short filter) but since I changed to the taller 749 the problem is back again and haven't been able to get it to stop. Needless to say just a little fed up. If I knew I could go Mega and it'd stop I'd do it in a hearbeat, but that's no guarantee. Since I've got the Cat installed(a little over 11,000 miles ago actually) I'd like to find a possible solution with my existing setup rather than tossing it all and starting over. Seems a higher mount may be the ticket for me. Just I remember looking around when I first got it early last spring, and didn't seem to think it would fit into place anywhere else.

I saw Mitch's Cat filter. I don't think it is taller than the Racor. I am sure he will come back with more info. Later! Frank

I don't understand why the Racor kit will include a WIF sensor. I was under the impression the OEM Racor doesn't do squat for trapping water anyways ...one of the reasons a good number of owners are running emulsifier-type fuel treatments because they think the OEM racor passes the majority of water. Even if one were to get a load of water with a fill up wouldn't the OEM WIF sensor work? Why two WIF sensors? Over kill as far as I'm concerned.


The Racor kit will be blessed with the Racor/Duramax and be considered the "officially" recognized secondary filteration setup...however the way I see it an additonal WIF sensor is not needed ... I live in an area where it gets below freezing maybe 10 days a year and the heater is probably not needed on my truck ...take those 2 things away and you basically have the same kit that's been available for about a year now for 1/4 the cost.


It's a conspiracy thing ...

I'm confused.


Wasn't there a post a while back about GM working with Racor and GM/Racor coming out with a kit that would be offered thru GM dealers?


Is this NOT that kit?, or was I imagining the whole thing about GM coming up with an "approved" installation?


cadman_ks


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This is most likely the kit that the forum member Racor posted about on TDP. It fits exactly the description of what he indicated the kit would be several months ago (all hoses, mounting hardware, interface to truck electrical for heater and WIF, 10um filter, etc).


Having said that, imagine what now must happen. Racor has a part number and an available kit. Now that part number must be assigned a GM part number and work its way into the GM supply chain. This takes a while to happen before the dealer can obtain the part. These are large corporations here, nothing happens at the speed of light (or even at the speed of sound http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif ). It may take some time for a dealer to even know these kits are available. At this point, people on this forum know more than the dealer with respect to this part. This is my read of the situation.

I find it very interesting that GM/RACOR sanctioned an add-on, rail monted, pre-oem, filter w/o a lift pump.

...


Having said that, imagine what now must happen. Racor has a part number and an available kit. Now that part number must be assigned a GM part number and work its way into the GM supply chain. This takes a while to happen before the dealer can obtain the part. These are large corporations here, nothing happens at the speed of light (or even at the speed of sound http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif ). It may take some time for a dealer to even know these kits are available. At this point, people on this forum know more than the dealer with respect to this part. This is my read of the situation.





So my original question still remains. If and when this "thing" gets a GM part number does that mean that if you buy it thru your dealer, AND have your dealer install it, you are GUARANTEED that you will NOT have any warranty issues with "other" dealers?


I guess I don't see how GM (corporate proper, not just a dealer) could sell you something that they could install that could potentially void your warranty.


cadman_ks

On a side note once again about fuel filtration, can anyone tell me what size bolts I need for the dual alternator mount threads that are already there? I'm going to give raising my Cat secondary to a higher position to alleviate my airing up issues.

cadman_ks,


If the Racor set-up makes it into the GM part system as an accessory for the Silverado/Sierra HD trucks with the DMAX and your dealer installs it, I would have a hard time believing they would try voiding your warranty.


Since no one on this forum can represent GM's position from a legal point, if you are that concerned, you need to talk with your dealer and get something in writing. I am certain there is a standard GM policy for installing GM accessories on vehicles post delivery and how that effects the warrranty. Only your dealer or GM itself can answer those questions absolutely.