OK,

This was original plan: 7-9" Cognito lift, but I have a bad feeling about this because I hate cranking up my t-bars so I can fit my 37x14's. So......Im asking can I do this??


Buy a true 6" kit, and then throw on a 3" PA body lift to clear those tires so I dont have to crank my t-bars. Let me know what yall think!

you dont want to do a body lift . the hd trucks already come with one stock - about 1 inch . cranking your t bars is not a problem these trucks are so heavy they do not ride different cranked or not cranked . i have the 9 - 11 inch kit and it is very solid to say the least . i have beaten this lift and it is very strong . here is some pics .

the cognito 7-9 with the optional tubular uca, does not effect the ride quality of the truck even when cranked. that is what it is made for, if you are really worried about this, then i would go for the 10-12 kit, cognito is a very strong brand of lifts, probally the best made, call justin up and he will explain more to you than i.

Oh and i am running the 7-9 kit cranked up pretty hard with the tubular uca's, and it rides perfect imo, i would do this or the 10-12 and not a bl, too much frame for some.

I just got my truck back from having the Cognito 7-9 kit installed with 37-13.50-22 Toyo M/Ts and I think it is perfect, looks and ride! I tried to post some pics but it says they are to large.

Hey 05Chevymax,

Can you send me some pics please?


Coles_555@yahoo.com

Also,

I was thinking any possible way of fitting those tires under a 6" lift??

Not happening with just 6, and i wouldnt do a bl, i would get a suspension lift that could clear those tires, if you want some pics just pm i have a bunch

diesel man,
are you running the stock tie rods and ends?

Just go with the 12" bulletproof kit, heimed steering, and beefy ass tie rods with heimed ends as well. I am running it with 39.5"s and my brother is running the 12" kit on an 02 burban 2500 w/8.1L and the 38" toyos on 20's like Diesel Man. My torsions aren't cranked at all, and my bro almost has him softer than stock. It is a pricey kit but for good reason, and you get what you pay for!

:badidea: :badidea: I agree, but please, please, please NO BODY LIFTS!!:badidea: :badidea:

Diesel Man, that truck looks good. I have to see it in person.

the bullet proff kit is pretty much the fst kit, a little different, and i think Cognito deffently has the upper hand, also, congito has heim jointed tierods, and they keep the steering as stock as can be (angles)

all hiem joint steering and steering is kept in the stock position wo your alignment stays straight . i have tried them all and cognito seems to be the strongest by far !!!!

Hey 05Chevymax,

Can you send me some pics please?


Coles_555@yahoo.com
Yes I will.

Yes I will.
ME TOO!

jordan_rust@avu.ca

[QUOTE=bigwhitehd]the bullet proff kit is pretty much the fst kit, a little different, QUOTE]

fst.....if you meant FTS (full throttle suspension) then your way off, and if you meant CST (california super trucks) then your right. The bulletproof kit is similar to the CST kit because it was designed and enginereed by someone who used to work for CST. The bullet proof kit for someone who is looking for a TRUE 12" lift kit, not this 9-11" crap.....is it a 9" or an 11"?? I hear 9" and think 37" and don't want to have to crank the torsions to get 11" of lift. I could prob. have a 14" lift if I wanted to crank mine. The ride quality may not change much by cranking them but it throws off where your suspension sits in relation to the bump stops and changes the amount of "drop" which is what occurs when you go over a pot-hole. By cranking you are basically taking away form the "drop" and asking for a harsher ride and your CV angles will also be worse. either way big IFS isn't the greatest if wear and steering components are a top priority, but if your gonna go big IFS, atleast go with best......bulletproof suspension :ro)

Yeah i am sorry, i meant cst, but still, why would bulletproff be better than cognito, they have two kits, they have the 7-9 inch kit, and the 10-12 inch kit, that is pretty easy to understand imho

I admit alot of companies are catching on and following bulletproof by switching to heimed steering to eliminate the wimpy stock tie-rods and ends. From what i hear cognito has re-designed their kits and they are alot better than the earlier ones were. There are alot of guys I run into running their kit. I just don't like the guessing game of 10-12, is it a 10 inch drop cradle and then cranked torsions? I don't see how a lift kit can vary that much without the implication that you might have to crank your torsions or switch keys to achieve the higher end of the lift "range". I guess it depends on what tire size your set on, I wanted 40's without any guessing so I went with a true 12", I have seen guys running 42's with bulletproof kits with new keys cranked hard so I guess bulletproof would be considered a 12-14" kit by those standards. I guess its just a matter of how big u want to go and what kit will best get u there. To be fair tho, u can't go wrong with a CST, Cognito, or bulletproof kit for anything bigger than 6"......and anything bigger than 6" on a duramax makes me :hail:

First of all, cognito didnt copy bulletproof at all, they are totally different, and cognitos early kit was good in the begening. On the 7-9 kit the cradrel is dropped 7 inches, and it is dropped 10 on the 10-12 kit. The extra lift is accomplished by cranking. The tubular a arms fix the extreme ball joint angle that comes with cranking, so it is safe to do, and i am cranked, and have a fine amount of droop. I never have hit my stops once. Yes it isnt as big as the bullet proof kit, but if your runnin 40's or 42's on your ifs, i feel bad for your wallet and your suspension, cause you will break stuff. If i was going that extreme i would do a sfa, but that is my opionion.

how can u say that cognito and bulletproof are "totally different"?? They both run a tubular drop cradle, tubular upper control arms, heimed steering, dual shock hoops......where is the big difference? How many truck have you seen in person besides yours with the cognito kit? Don't feel bad for my wallet or my suspension because anything bigger than 35's is hard on IFS and increased wear is to be expected, you'll see just as much as I will. Just think people should know what they are getting and what tires will fit without cranking torsions, say what you will but cranking the torsions makes the truck harder to align correctly, stiffer ride, harsher CV angles etc. And trust me there is a SFA in the future of my truck, but not because my bulletproof kit isn't holding up!

Well bulletproof is a full drop kit, and cognito is a knuckle kit. Knuckles are stronger because it keeps the steering in the stock location, and the upper arm in the stock location. This also results in the upper arm and balljoint to have more leverage on the longer knuckle of a knuckle kit, than what bulletproof has with there full drop kit on the stock knuckle. Maybe that is why i think they are different

Yes bulletproof uses a cross-over steering style linkage because it allows them to keep the steering more level with the knuckles on the wheels. We should both try to post up some close up pics of the front of the kits so others can see. But we could go back and forth for days on which kit has the upper hand, because it seems that we are both very satisfied with our choices. you have a great looking truck bigwhitehd and like I said before, any lifted duramax gets :thumb: from me.

Ohh, i aint trying to be argumentive (sp?) but i learn alot this way, and i have learned and talked to some different people about bulletproof suspension, they all said it is a small company like cognito, and a owner or partner or something split up from cst and made bulletproof, and cst is a good company so i am sure bulletproof is too, and i am sure you really couldnt go wrong with either company, so i will quit postwhoring, here is a pic of my front end, i have dropped it down to 50 inches now to the front fender, it was at about 53 inches and thats why my cv's are at a somewhat steep angle, they are flat now. it aint a great pic, and i will try and get some good ones tommorow, ohh and my truck is sittin a little to the left cause of where i am parked hince the swaybar endlink angle, well never mind then, wont let me post a pic, i will try tommorow