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Balls, that fella has lousy luck...:eek:

Hoot, makes the Duramax headgasket look minor does it not ?

Thats a bummer.

OMG.... thats it. Trading it in tommorow on a gasser. Getting away from Bosch CR fuel injected diesels. THEY ARE JUNK


Seriously... that story and the continuance of it has been around a while. If there were many multiples of that story I might raise my eyebrows.

Remember while my Dmax was in with the headgaskets, there was another right next to mine with a blown turbo that had a runaway engine. GM did not replace the engine, just the turbo. I thonk I would rather have had the thing blow up and get a new motor.

They all break. well except Brokers.

There is not a truck or engine or tranny out there that has a 100% perfect record. There will always be a flaw or some fluke thing that will cause 1 in a 1,000,000 to have something go wrong and cause such a problem. They are machines......they are built by machines.....I think I have said enough

Isn't there a poll going on over there right now about CR fuel injector problems. I think there was a descent % of failures as of yesterday.

13%

Maybe having 6 injectors instead of 8 explains the difference?..
I think it's a bit early for Dodge survey to be anywhere near accurate. There aren't nearly as many people over there crying as over here.

OMG.... thats it. Trading it in tommorow on a gasser. Getting away from Bosch CR fuel injected diesels. THEY ARE JUNK


Seriously... that story and the continuance of it has been around a while. If there were many multiples of that story I might raise my eyebrows.

Remember while my Dmax was in with the headgaskets, there was another right next to mine with a blown turbo that had a runaway engine. GM did not replace the engine, just the turbo. I thonk I would rather have had the thing blow up and get a new motor.

They all break. well except Brokers.
I read a story on here about a Phantom runaway Dmax engine, and come to find out, the idiot put starting fluid in it. Mine hasn't broke yet either. 35,000k:ro)

Prolly start a war. Superduty John(of tds) who has inside information, including pictures of an engine not being released for three more years, put forth the assertion that the common rail on the cummins had a higher duty cycle than the one on the duramax.

The vp44 was a stopgap while they developed common rail technology. Cummins wanted to wait until the technology was more mature. Its funny to me that ford has held out so long with its unit injectors. The next gen psd will likely have common rail. Seen it in the pictures.

This is the price of progress. The cummins, duramax and the psd all have injector issues. Seems like the cummins tolerated the pressure box a little better than the dmax did. Ford had to dump PI due to too many failures. Same thing dumping fuel into the crankcase. Whatever happened to the popoffs that could go a million miles?

The 6.0 was on its fourth set of injectors before it ever left the plant. Then the 5th set 6 months into production. They never shoulda released that engine. Im looking at their sales and they are down over 100 thousand trucks last few years. They screwed up bigtime.

Here we sit. The dmax got a revamped fuel system so it was easier to fix it when it breaks. Good idea. Says to me they are expecting the problems to continue and wanted to be able to work on it easier. Because they are doin it under warranty. Unlike their first approach "you got bad fuel" or "you been using additives". Its too bad progress is costing us so much reliability.

If I had to do it again I would have gotten another d-max....too bad they couldn't give them the ride height of a dodge or ford.

I would bet the problem that happened to the first engine was never corrected and caused the second to fail!!

why do the CR Cummins torch pistons when an injector goes where the duramax does not?

Maybe having 6 injectors instead of 8 explains the difference?..
I think it's a bit early for Dodge survey to be anywhere near accurate. There aren't nearly as many people over there crying as over here.
The percentage is a lot less over here. I can pull up the poll if you'd like but to what avail. Won't fix a thing. I have always said in the past that if problems arrive with the Cummins they would need time to show up as they are 2 years behind GM in logged miles and the HPCR application. I expected this might show as I have a personel friend who works at Southland Dodge and he tells me Injector problems are on the increase. His name is Myron McElroy. Call him if you'd like. He will fill you in. It looks as though GM may soon have the better injector failure record of the big three and with the best customer support via the extended warranty untill things get figured out. I'm personally glad I'm on this side of the fence. Right now at least. With us all being in the same boat the solution will hopefully come quicker as Bosch will have pressure from all sides.

That's just great.

It looks like all diesels suck now.

You're right a bear... i tried to run but i couldn't hide.

15,200 miles since September and still runs great. Hoping to get 400k or more out of it, but I have a feeling that will involve a (very expensive) replacement of the fuel system at least once.

I would tend to agree this is the price of progress. I have heard that when EFI came out in cars originally there were similar injector problems that caused all sorts of other issues. However, I've also heard those problems were caused by inferior fuel (perhaps explain why there are more problems in certain areas where the fuel isn't as good?). Perhaps the fuel industry needs to catch up with the fueling technology.

I agree that we won't really be able to see what's going on until more of these trucks have 100k+ miles on them. At this point, most of them haven't even hit the 50k mark. Also, you really don't hear people talking about when they DON'T have problems, just when they do, and it really doesn't seem that overall as many people are having these problems.

interesting that you mention ride height, that was one of the biggies for me jumpin off the bowtie bandwaggon, that and lift kits that cost twice as much as ones for solid front axle trucks.... sure the ferds are tall too, but I would rsooner go decaf:eek:.... thank you very much

Same here. It was a biggy for me to consider anyting other than GM. I love GM but I got tired of waiting for a truck from them. :bling:

interesting that you mention ride height, that was one of the biggies for me jumpin off the bowtie bandwaggon, that and lift kits that cost twice as much as ones for solid front axle trucks.... sure the ferds are tall too, but I would rsooner go decaf:eek:.... thank you very much
Evidently you must be refering to the 4x4. The 2wd Dodges are much lower on the front than the Chevy. They truely look awkward with the rear sticking up in the air and the front nearly dragging the ground with the flattened down car looking wind shield. The Chevy 2wd has a really nice stance and shape in comparison. In giving the Dodge 4x4 it's due it's hands down a better looking truck than their 2wd. If you go Dodge you better have the 4x4 with all that weight on the front end. The 2wd will literally get stuck on wet grass. I speak from experience. Very embarassing.:eek:

I had the same exact issues with my CR powered cummins. Granted mine was modded to hell but that truck should have survived much longer than it did. Both times the blocks were on back order....something like 5 people ahead of me each time.....that got me big time concerned so I just dumped the truck and tried a Dmax. I love it. That being said....I am well aware that all of these trucks have issues. The new cummins has more than its share though.....I am really startin to wonder about thier CR design.That combined with a junk auto and now a new 6 spd tranny....things are really startin to look sketchy. Hoot...your head gasket was done under warranty was it not? You ran propane and an edge correct? I am just confused by that making somebody nervous enough to jump ship to another truck. We all know the consequences of power adding....sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. I am just really confused on your philosphy sometimes.

I've never had any problems with my 2wd Dodge. Only times I've gotten stuck have been my own damn fault doing things I shouldn't have been. Haven't had problems on wet grass, snow, etc.

dpower,

My Dmax had been through a lot... tree destroyed it, door skins replaced from an earlier accident.

Head gasket went after those events. I got rid of it while it was still worth something.

It's not like I didn't own it long. Had it three years. For me that's average. Longest i ever owned a new vehicle is 5 years.

So jumping ship isn't exactly accurate. I just selected a different vehicle this time around.

Wondering about Dodge's CR design? You mean Bosch's CR design. These engine companies simply plug the system in an program it. A little more in the head design to accept the fuel delivery and injectors but it's basiclly the same system as on the Dmax. I would say the same about Isuzu....

Very true about the bosch design. I think cummins has went backwards instead of forwards with design in general though. And add DC into the mix and things can get nasty. The cummins went from the undisputed king of durability in the diesel pickup market to not so good as of late. The new inter coolers have plastic connections, the 48re....I will give that it is a slight improvement but still a lot to be desired...and now a new six speed? Already heard that cummins has wrecked some of these stock in some of their test vehicles. They have a dual mas fly wheel along with a boderline tq. capacity for the cummins. I ask WHY? They had a virtually bullet proof 6spd......a kryptonite proof 6spd with an aftermarket clutch. Its just the trend that DC is taking that scares me more than anything. I will own a cummins again someday.....but it will be a 12v.....the tried and true design with a lot more workability. DC in general is just missing the boat in my opinion.......looked at an srt10 today for $h*t$ and giggles....$50,000 sticker price and it has the same door mirrors as a work truck 1500 series......what the heck?

Yea they are reverting to GM manual trannies. Sux
YOu're rite... ever since they started putting the same parts GM uses on them they started going downhill. ;)

Axles, injection system... now similar manual transmissions.

Going backwards is right.



I sure hope most of you don't take this BS too seriously like Mac

I guess the duramax didnt have any injector problems in 01.

I guess the duramax didnt have any injector problems in 01.

a bear is just wishing the same fate for us Cummins owners
;)

I doni't know how someone could be so nasty ;)

At least you can BLOW YOUR OWN HORN hoot...............:eek:


Loudly I might add...............;)

:stirthepo

Actually hoot those american axles are everybit as good as danna's.....it just seems dodge has found a way to mess that up.....who makes their anti-spin?

:stirthepo

:muahaha: Hoot , I think you got a Free Dodge :Wedgie: ..................
:deal: better read the small print in the Dodge warranty.................:drinking: your gona need a six pack .

Not sure who makes their anti-spin unit, but it's crap. Mine only works when there's good traction for both wheels. Skuza, that's when I DON'T need it! I'm probably going to take it back to the dealer and complain.

Hoot, dodge and chevy have been using the same manual trans. (nv4500) since the early 90's the one that came in the beloved 12v and the same one thats in the majority of the 24vs. And the 14 bolt rear is one of the cheapest axles you can build.