76000 miles and shes in the shop!


Went in limp mode at 70mph. Pull over to find diesel in the oil. No oil pressure! Decide no to drive it because of lack of oil pressure and engine filled with diesel and no oil.


Towed to the dealer 100 miles.


Just came from the dealer last week 500 miles ago for oil change and fuel filter replace.

Sorry to hear about that Grady. I hope it simply gets fixed and you can put it behind you.

Glad you all made it home safe. What's up with the plow? Which one did you get?

All will be fine ..... I know what it's like to be down ,in front of a crowd even .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Get'ter fixed up and let us know what happened .... Lose of fuel rail pressure makes for a power down scenario, I doubt you would have gotten far .... With a crankcase full of fuel , Best to tow ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gif

Thanks for the positive notes guys....I'll keep you posted.


DAY 1 in the shop;


So far the computer says " massive fuel pressure leak". The mechanic has the head torn off of one side and is working hard on troubleshooting. He says maybe a bad injector.





The vplow is still in the back seat. Install will begin tomorrow.


FISHER EZ V PlOW 8'6" pictures to follow.

He must have takin the Valve cover off ....

Any hoo keep us informed Grady ....

Thank goodness foer warranty ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Well, the DMax has 28 sealing areas (that I can think of) under the valve covers that could possibly leak raw fuel into the crankcase.


I hope they get ya fixed up nice and quick.

28!! good grief!

DAY 2 UPDATE!


Truck is fixed.


Turns out 3 return lines were bad.


Hoot you were right thanks for your help.


Thanks for the support guys.

Great!

Anybody know what exactly happens to the return lines? Do the develop cracks from head movement or simply from vibration, at the joints?

My common sense tells me redesign the part or change manufacturing processes.

Do we have this to look forward to???

Day 3 Update!


Picked the truck up today.


NO CHARGE.


Even paid for towing!


Runs like a raped ape!


OIL PRESSURE back to normal.


Still stinks like diesel fuel.


At least she won't rust underneath because the whole underneath of truck is covered in fuel from when she broke down.

Gradyghost, Im curious as well is the replacement line different than the o.e. can you keep us updated..





Thanks

DAY 8 UPDATE


Lost oil pressure.


Diesel fuel everywhere, underhood, under truck , on the ground etc.


Rough idle.


No power.


Coolant resevoir empty.


Dealer won't pay for the retow.


Roadside won't pay for the retow.


Dead diesel in the driveway, with no where to go!

DAY 8 UPDATE


Lost oil pressure.


Diesel fuel everywhere, underhood, under truck , on the ground etc.


Rough idle.


No power.


Coolant resevoir empty.


Dealer won't pay for the retow.


Roadside won't pay for the retow.


Dead diesel in the driveway, with no where to go!








Call your lawyer.........................


Tell them it's under warranty for the engine till 100K miles.


They just worked on it so I would be playing real hard ball now..........





Call the Attorney General, warranty fraud..........


Do we have a lawyer here to advise ?????





What a way to keep a customer, GM has thier head up thier A$$ !!!!!





Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Disapprove.gifNYEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Weird that they would have all those problems with return lines. Never seen a diesel with leaking external return lines, except when they were damaged by external forces.


Grady, sounds like they let go again!

Oh Boy

No way ......

First off you have the exact same symptoms of the first repair ..... Look on your repair order, what do they warranty "their" repair for ??? Not to mention your under the GM 100,000 .....
Don't call a lawyer call them back and explain it to the service manager or ask for the owner of the dealership first .....

Explain calmly what happened 8 days ago you were happy with the outcome but the problem has returned with a vengeance ... It is under certainly, your dealerships current warranty repair as stated right on the repair order here in front of me ..... Could be as simple as something left lose unintentionally by the mechanic ....

What can WE do to rectify this ASAP ??

Mac

Why won't the dealer tow?

Not in a good mood. Gm loyal since I was sixteen. First warranty repair I have gone in for in 20 years. Now Roadside assistance says I am out of warranty and they won't tow. Dealers wrecker is broke down. Just paid 250 bones for tow last week(still waiting for refund). Now I gotta pay to tow it again. Customer service says its outta there hands. Spent last 4 hours argueing with roadside assistance about warranty.


argh...


Damn driveway is covered in fuel and oil. Dunno if its still leaking or just from when I got home.


If it is still leaking its got 30 gallons to go because I just filled it up.


how much hp and tq does the dodge have?

Gradyghost, if I was you, I would have it towed to a different dealer and tell them the WHOLE story. They will get ahold of the dealer that did the previous "repair" and then look into the problem with an idea of what to look for.....look over the previous repair for problems, look into other possibilities and do fuel system testing starting at step 1.


They will look at it as a "anything goes" situation, as the previous dealer might look at it as "no, that CAN'T be it because I checked it last time" kind of adittude.


It is very unfortunate that there are dealerships that have such troubles diagnosing the DMax, but in all fairness, it is a realitively new engine to GM techs and a very different desighn from the old 6.5 diesel that GM used.


I have a feeling that within a year at most, dealer techs will become alot more aware of the real world, common engine problems that the DMax may cough up.


Also, keep in mind that about 90% of vehicles that come to a dealership are gas engines. Personal vehicles that run on diesel only make up about 10% of the personal vehicles on the road today....So it will take a little longer for the techs to learn their symptoms and diagnostics.

DAY 9 UPDATE


Paid to have the truck towed to dealer again.


Truck is in the shop being troubleshooted.


GM says the warranty does not cover towing costs over 3/36000miles, even if its the duramax with the 100000 mile warranty.

How do you know when Diesel is in the oil?

when you truck is making oil. When you check your oil and there was more then the last time you looked.

Duh, thanks, I had a "stupid" moment, thanks MP

DAY 9 UPDATE


Paid to have the truck towed to dealer again.


Truck is in the shop being troubleshooted.


GM says the warranty does not cover towing costs over 3/36000miles, even if its the duramax with the 100000 mile warranty.











Agreed so if the dealer gifted it to you the first time great ... This time the dime is on them in my opinion .... This is a recall on their warranty work performed not GM,remember that ,it's real important to get that across... Be smart ,be firm but yet with out attitude ...





Keep us informed Mike ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Mackin you make some very good points. I will bend over backwards for someone who is polite etc, but when attitude gets in the middle of it, I pretty much do a 180. Nothing I hate more then someone giving me attitude. I have enough of that on my own. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Grady.... keep a good report with them if they are decent. Not a whole lot you can do except keep yourself informed on what they are doing.

DAY 10 UPDATE


Truck still in the shop.


No new news.

Keep the faith .....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

DAY 11 UPDATE


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2


3


4


5


6


7


8 New injectors!


Service manager said I am getting the "NEW" style!

Good for you Mike .... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif


Feeling a tad better about the ordeal ?? Hope so ... Still sucks but better under warranty ...


See if you can get some "New" info for us ...





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Sounds like they are taking good care of you.
Good news Grady!

Yes good for you! Always nice to hear.. will be better when you get your truck back though!

DAY 15 UPDATE


Dealer says GM will only warranty 6 of the 8 needed injectors.


Dealer says 2 of the injectors were rusty.


Dealer says it could be several weeks for injectors to come from GM!


Dealer says "NEW" style injectors have different seals.

Dealer says too much

How do the injectors get rusty? They are surrounded by engine oil and the only thing that should go through them is diesel fuel...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif

Donno 1fatcat,


Not gonna bother asking the dealer because he sure isn't a diesel specialist!

your still 100% stock right?? they cant decline the waranty on 2 of eight cause their fuel filter sucks

Yea 100% stock....

Mike

Do you use additives ?? If water is getting by the OE fuel filter water separator and causing rust (I still question that) at the injector as they state then I would ask them how .... I would also ask what is their (GM) policy on running additives, pretending of course you have no idea ....
If they bone up the TSB then ask "How would I find this info,sir ??" .... Sounds like a trap and or way out for GM to void warranty claims, is that the case ?? Inform them that you change your fuel filter in accordance to maintenance schedule, produce receipts if possible .... Also rust or particals from the internal high pressure lines they replaced that just failed may have caused this foreign material to settle in the injector .... Maybe the techs "house cleaning" overlooked the possibility of this occuring .... Easy on the finger pointing,remember a mear suggestion ....

Let that roost, ask them to reconsider ... You should allow them some time to make a determination ....



No way in hell should you have to pay for those two injectors .... Have a couple brewski's and don't worry about them guys in the Snowplowers read this they mean no harm, my friend ....

Good luck let us all know when you get it back, get a secondary or primary 2um filter on as soon as possible ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Edited by: Mackin

Whats the incident rate for like Dodge on injectors? Is this fairly common? Dodge is the only other mfg to compare to, we all know what happened to Ford.

The rust that they are probably seeing is on the threads and seat where the high pressure line attaches. It is a know problem that water and contaminates get in there from the top of the sleeve. There is even an updated procedure to seal the sleeve with sealant when putting it back together. You shouldn't have to pay for the injectors. Show them this bulletin.
<H1>Information on Servicing Fuel Injectors to Avoid Contamination #03-06-04-036 - (07/31/2003)</H1>


Information on Servicing Fuel Injectors to Avoid Contamination


2001-2004 Chevrolet Silverado


2003-2004 Chevrolet Kodiak C4500/C5500


2001-2004 GMC Sierra


2003-2004 GMC TopKick C4500/C5500


with 6.6L Duramax Diesel Engine (VIN 1 - RPO LB7)


Fuel injectors may become contaminated during engine servicing. Debris between the injector line and the injector line nut may fall into the injector fuel inlet upon removal. Following the procedures below when servicing fuel injectors/lines should resolve this concern.<A name=ss1-1363028><A href="http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1363028&amp;psdid=271&amp;evc=sm#ss1-1363028" target="_blank">
<H5>Removal of Fuel Injector Lines</A></H5>

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<LI =1>Before removing the fuel injector line, use compressed air to blow any debris from between the fuel injector line and the fittings (1,2). Wipe the fittings (1) clean of debris.
<LI =1>Spray lithium grease, P/N 12346293 (in Canada, P/N 992723), or equivalent, between the fuel injector line and fittings (1,2) to assist in containing any debris during removal.
<LI =1>Remove the fuel injector line.
<LI =1>Remove the upper valve cover.
<LI =1>Remove the lower valve cover.
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<LI =1>Immediately after removal of the lower valve cover, use a vacuum source to remove any contamination in the fuel injector inlet (1). </LI>



<H4>Notice</H4>


After the fuel line is removed and the fuel injector inlet is exposed, DO NOT use compressed air to clean debris. Using compressed air can allow debris to enter the fuel injector inlet and damage the fuel injector.


<A name=ss2-1363028><A href="http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1363028&amp;psdid=271&amp;evc=sm#ss2-1363028" target="_blank">
<H5>Fuel Injector Cleaning and Inspection</A></H5>
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<LI =1>Use a soft bristle non-metallic brush and top engine cleaner, P/N 1052626 (in Canada, P/N 993026), or equivalent, to remove any deposits from the nozzle tip (1) and the copper washer sealing area (2) before reinstallation.



<H4>Notice</H4>


The fuel injector must be cleaned with the proper cleaning equipment. DO NOT use abrasive cleaning methods such as a metallic brush to remove deposits. Cleaning an injector with improper tools may d

Thanks Mac,


No additives. I have put 5 fuel filters in that truck so far. All done by the dealers. This dealer has done 4 of the 10 oil changes on the truck. The last oil change they did 500 miles before the truck went down.

Good info Sid ..... =&gt; http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

Mike there you go buddy between the info provided by Sid and that they have done the filter change ,take that coin theyy would have gotten and take them kids and wife out to dinner .....

Merry Christmas .....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Edited by: Mackin

I got to agree I don't think you should be paying for the 2 injectors. I would ask why they are blaming you for these 2 and not the other 6. If it was the fuel wouldn't they all be rusty? (on second thought you better find out what was rusty before you try this approach. They might just decide that you ought to pay for them all.) If it was the out side of the injector I think the bulletin above covers it and if not I want to know how often I should remove and wax them so they don't rust!


Hey there is a business idea. I will remove and wax 8 injectors for the price of 6http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Have dealer put the injecters back in that they won't pay for, drive truck until it starts making oil. Run it till it seizes up, return for new Dmax as it's under warranty.


Maybe that's not the way to go about it, but it sure pisses you off to hear how f'n stupid it is to replace 6 injectors and not all 8.

Squeeky wheel Mike. I agree with all who think they should not get away with you paying for any of this. This is the second time in too. Talk to the manager and straighten him out about being broke down on a dark highway with your family in the truck and having it towed accross the state. Only to have it supposedly fixed.

Your all missing the BIG picture. The dealer is pulling a scam. They get paid X from GM. They need to turn a profit. So they tell the customer he has to pay for 2 injectors. Now the dealer gets a 1500 dollar profit.

I hope this helps......
Full replacement??? (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2934)

Problem Child.... you could be right

DAY 18 UPDATE Friday Dec 12 2003


6 Injectors arrived at the dealer today.


Dealer is only going to replace 6 injectors. He says he tried to get 8 from Gm but could only prove that 6 were bad.


Installation of 6 injectors begins Monday.

Grady,


So the two rusty ones were not bad? Or are they replacing the two rusty ones along with 4 others? How did they explain that? I don't envy you this experience. The more I read about these problems the more I am getting cold feet about hanging on to my ride anything past 100K. I have only been to my local service dept a couple of times and never got good vibes. They wanted to sell me an STP injector cleaning and treatment and a transmission power flush at 36K. I smiled and politely declined. I could only imagine what it would be like to go through what you are going through.


Good luck and keep us posted - this is like driving by a car wreck - I don't want to see what I know I'll see but can't keep from looking.


I hope it all works out for you!


Kevin

Grady,


Your dealer is an idiot and they have lots of company. There is no way in bloody heck you should have to pay a single penny for this repair. Hope they aren't charging you for any of those injector replacements. NOTHING!


How are they compensating you for the down time?

Dealer says "All repairs will be under warranty"


No compensation for down time.

Dealer says "All repairs will be under warranty"


No compensation for down time.

Good ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

I don't understand GM's logic. 6 out of 8 injectors are faulty. To me it makes sense that the other 2 are going to give trouble in the very near future. It would only cost them a few hundred dollars in parts to replace all 8 now. If they have come back in a month and replace the remaining two it will cost them thousands in labour. Sounds like the man making the decisions spends too much time in the casino.

No what i don't understand is why it wasn't fixed the first time. All of a sudden after they replaced the return lines the injectors go bad? Coincidence or a dirty job the first time?

Gradyghost,


See you are from Pa. I 'pray' you are not dealing with Cochrane GMC.


This saga is not over. Keep us posted. If it has more bad issues I strongly recommend you see Eric Merchant at Todd Wenzel GMC in Grand Rapids, Michigan. 1-800-321-5515. My experience is they/he makes sense out of nonsense.

Captain,


I am already looking for a flatbed trailer to haul the beast to Michigan...even did a mapquest....only 585 miles each way.


My dealer has only done oil changes and small stuff to my trucks....this is first major thing they have done for me.


Hoot,


I agree but how do I tell a dealer that he messed my engine up when fixing return lines?


Max Power,


My thoughts exactly. I even said that to dealer....and he said Gm is in control.


Mac,


Thanks for checking in.

Gradyghost,


Call Eric at the number I gave on the last message. He IS the man.


I'm moving to my house in Tampa right now. Be back on the net this weekend and hope to hear more of your saga, only good things.


Best of luck.

i have been working on duramax now for three years and
almots every injector high psi line i have opened has revieled rust gm tech assist is of no help to solve this problem we all know rust in fuel is bad. i have a strong
feeling alot of the rust is from the fuel filter i have seen time and time again filters plugged at 8-10-12-15-
thousand miles 30k on one it was so dirty tha the vechicle whould fall on its face on anything above idle i accached the vaccum guage that kent moore has on the test port and at idle the vaccum was 13 inches normal should be about 3inches. so anyway i cut the filter open to prove to the service advisor that it was plugged the filter had slime and dirt on it along with a ton of rust at the bottom of the can. we need to see d/max owners change there filters. yes it is not cheep for a filter
i have begged to my service mgr to speek with the parts mgr to bring the d/max fuel filter doum yet no go. so much of our fuel problems i feel are fromthat stupid filter.

Gradyghost


I'm glad your going to get your truck fixed. As mentioned above it makes no sense that they would not do a complete job but would rather do 3/4 of a job!! Hopefully this is the end of your problems.


Patrick makes some interesting comments basically indicating that the OEM filter is lame and they know it. Yet a service manager can stand there and tell people that the OEM is fine for this engine http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif. I guess the least one can do is change the filter often and get the water out/through with an additive. You'd figure they could at least admit the filter is not adequate and at least not bust people's stones when they want to add filtration! And let's not forget that if you use there filter it only cost 2 limbs! Sorry I guess I needed to vent.


MikeEdited by: HisDMAX

like mike said you need to just let out the rage. in our area the d/max is anywhere from $45-52k and to have these stupid small yet disconforting problems arise sucks
the d/max is a bad ace truck and a good move for gm it will take time and education to work out the kinks as a tech i just wish gm would try harder to hook the fish admire it take pictures love it ect and not just hook and release. we love d/max we are d/max and with out us d/max would just be another truc.

DAY 22 UPDATE


Dealer says the 6 injectors are in. Says he still needs to put truck back together. Says I can pick it up tonight!


When I go pick the truck up should I:


1. ask for old injectors?


2. ask for detailed write up of what they did to truck?


3. ask for any and all other parts replaced?


4. Go for 30 min test drive?


5. ask them for balance rates?


6. ask them when the injectors on my 2003 are going to go bad?


7. ask them when the 2 injectors not replaced will go bad?


8. what else?





Side note: As stated above, I have had the fuel filter changed @10 times in 75000miles. I bought my filters from Kennedy, and from Dmaxtelitech. I have had oil changed at almost same intervals. Also I have changed rear diff twice and front diff once. Tranny filter 4 times and tranny flushed once. Kinda frustrated that after being SO specific about service intervals that I am still haveing problems with engine.

You will not get any parts.

You will get a writeup. It will also be documented on their computer system.

Definately a test drive. I had major problems getting the cooling system to burp this week. Had to park the truck uphill. Long story .... from when tree fell.

6. You'll get a funny look
7. ditto

Tell them this is the second fix.... number three is lemon law.

I thought that the lemon law didn't apply to ours becuase of the weight limit. Althought that might be for a specific state I can't remember.

Sorry I havent really followed this post, I talked to Mike (gradyghost) this afternoon when he called. Hopefully everything will be ok with his truck, I will be monitoring this thread to get his results on if its fixed this time or not.

sorry to hear fo all the problems. no you will not get or see the injectors thy go back the be rebuilt. you will or should get a copy of the work and parts list.hope it is the last time the valve covers are opened. yet from the way it sounds the teck may be struggling to find the answer. dont think he is stupid, he works hard and does his best.service book for these fuel issues is so hadr to follow at times. sometimes you can see the fuel leak and sometimes you miss. i know from a lesson on a 04 d/max 29 miles that the book on high side psi leak lead me to no fuel on one bank and over fuel on the other side the book said to replace the injection pump and start over with the no fuel issue yet in the same line it says to go to the bank with over fuel
and diag those injectors i called tech assist they where of no help.out of a gut feeling i replaced the injection pump problem solved. call tech assist and asked hoe this would leak fuel into crankcase and it makes sence. the front seal on the pump behind the gear leaks and dropping it into the crank case. also seen fuel return line banjo bolts over toequed and broken leakine into the vavle cover. we are so thankfull for this new lly motor hopefully some major headaches gone

DAY 23 UPDATE


Picked up the truck today.


Only paid $100.00 deductible.


I do have oil pressure.


Diesel smell is still very prevalant.

Gradyghost


Glad you are back on the road!! Hopefully, that is the last time you will see the dealer for a looooong time!

Gradyghost


I have o 03 1ton duramax I've had it in 2 time on no start they replaced 4 injectors the first time reprogram the computer 2 time and I still have this problem gets harder to start the colder it gets but I seem to have more problems starting when it gets warm and its been shut off for 20 mins or so going back to the dealer tomorrow to meet the service manger and try to get a new truck all this started at 18000 miles or so.


The first truck 01 filled the motor with fuel twice so I traded it in for the 03 The Durmax is not looking good so far so lets see what they"ll do

Well Chevelle,


My 23 day crash course in injectors has taught me a couple of things.


1. No one knows why the injectors go bad, there are plenty of theories ie. bad fuel, bad seals on the injectors, to much pressure, etc...


2. It takes a long time to get them replaced.


3. Gm customer service is not very helpful.


4. Injectors cost $610.oo each and take 42 hours to trouble shoot and install 6.


5. There is talk of a recall on pre 2002 injectors.


6. The 'new' injector supposedly has better seals.


7. Your not alone.


8. When they go bad the engine fills with diesel fuel and leaks fuel everywhere, you go in limp mode, you loose all oil pressure, etc


9. The smell of diesel does not go away.


10. Gm used to recommend changeing fuel filter every 30k, now its every 15k.


11. There is no fail safe truck combo, Dodge and Ford has there problems too.

Since Dodge is running the Bosch High pressure fuel injection also, anybody know the difference between the injectors they are using, is there a difference? What's the price difference? or since it is first year production for Cummins, is it possible they haven't racked up the miles to really tell if they will have injector problems.


Or could it be as most of us suspect they put more priority to the Filtering of the Fuel. Wondering what's the difference between the two fuel systems. After hearing stories like this I am glad I installed a secondary filter,


Gradyghost, glad your up and running again, I know what its like (I went through all the first year bugs)

1. No one knows why the injectors go bad, there are plenty of theories ie. bad fuel, bad seals on the injectors, to much pressure, etc...

Some good some bad ..... Secondary filtering to 2 micron is good insurance .. The sooner the better ....

2. It takes a long time to get them replaced.

Not says Eric !!!!!

3. Gm customer service is not very helpful.

Their paper readers and yes sir clowns ...

4. Injectors cost $610.oo each and take 42 hours to trouble shoot and install 6.

Amateurs ....

5. There is talk of a recall on pre 2002 injectors.

That's what I like to hear .... Fit me with 04 heads too ,please ...

6. The 'new' injector supposedly has better seals.

See above ...

7. Your not alone.

Good misery loves company ,Hi ya'all !!!!!

8. When they go bad the engine fills with diesel fuel and leaks fuel everywhere, you go in limp mode, you loose all oil pressure, etc

Um Taste like chicken ...

9. The smell of diesel does not go away.

And that's a bad thing ??? I'd wear it as cologne if you bottle it ...

10. Gm used to recommend changeing fuel filter every 30k, now its every 15k.

Like I'm listening to them .... See whole thread topic ....

11. There is no fail safe truck combo, Dodge and Ford has there problems too.

Aint that the truth .... I'm looking for a vintage Vega ,seen any deals ???


Glad to hear you have it back Mike .... Put a 2um filter on her asap ...There is no doubt it will help if not just to perserve injector life ......

Mac

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif Edited by: Mackin

If a recall ever shows up it will be because they know it's cheaper to replace them before they go on 100,000 trucks.

Recall ----- wishful thinking


The State of California had to sue GM to force them to step up to the ever failing injectors on some of their gas engines that were sold in the state. I think the settlement was something like free replacement if an injector failed. They never did a total replacement.Edited by: OC_DMAX

Recall ----- wishful thinking


The State of California had to sue GM to force them to step up to the ever failing injectors on some of their gas engines that were sold in the state. I think the settlement was something like free replacement if an injector failed. They never did a total replacement.

You aint kidding a recall will never happen .....That's why I stated "fit me with 04 heads " it's a fantasy at best ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

Gradyghost,


I can feel your pain. My truck has 80,000 miles on it. When I bought it I thought is was the best thing since sliced bread. Then at 25,000 miles I put the truck in the shop for ten days for a new injection pump. I had to rent a car to drive while it was being repaired.


This past summer I started getting the low coolant light. Put it in the shop for another ten days to have the #8 injector tube resealed. No car furnished.


The low coolant light continued to burn so I took it to Dmaxallitech in Michigan. He furnished me a new truck and replaced the head gaskets in two days. This ended the low coolant problems.


Then I started to smell the diesel. A few days later the entire under carriage is coated in diesel. Drain the oil and I have 15+ quarts instead of 10. Take truck back to Dmaxallitech and we replace the #4 injector. GM will not approve any more because I still have 20,000 miles of warranty. Now the frame has bare spots where the diesel washed the undercoating off and I am working in Chicago in the salt everyday. But GM does not give a s**t. All they want to do is repair as little as possible until the truck is out of warranty.


There have been posts that suggest only 20% of the trucks are having injector problems especially on the first year trucks. If GM was a stand-up company you would think they would want to go over board to help that small percentage of trucks. Especially the ones that stuck there neck out and bought a new first year design.


I have been a GM guy my whole life. I will think long and hard before I buy another. I despise a Ford but at least they stood up and bought back there bad trucks.


Sorry for the long post but I have needed to vent for quite a while.








Edited by: jermck

Mac wrote:


"Aint that the truth .... I'm looking for a vintage Vega ,seen any deals ???"


I've got a deal on an 85 6.2 in the "For Sale" thread http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=243&amp;PN=3 that would make an excellent greta vintage fail safe. I've also seen a diesel chevette around town for sale. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif


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42 hours to replace 6 injectors? I hope his wife works cause GM aint gonna pay him anywhere near that Edited by: dmaxalliTech

i second that dmaxallitech what are your times to trouble shoot and r/r. my best so far maybe 2.0 hrs to due the flow test to show what bank to work on. that is if the tool room is not an mess and have to spend 45min
going through kent moore tools dated back to the horse and buggie. once found hoping it not broken. then the issue of pulling vlv covers 4.0hrs. maybe total time for one injector ans diag 6.0 hrs is that fair. i did a head ones clocked 33.9 hrs flagged 13.7. when i come home and tell the wife i got a d/max head job she calls her girl friends to locate me some side jobs, just to pay the bills. hope the lly motor is more foregiving