Is there any differance between the power curves for these two tuners? which one has more high end or low end?
thanks

quad more low end ppe more high end

I don't know how the new tunes are, but the old quad had the low end covered BIG TIME.

so it you were to race two trucks that were the same but one had quad and one had ppe both set on a setting with STOCK TRANS which one would win????

I am a quad owner, but believe PPE is a more powerful tuner. Obviously it has higher HP settings. I realize they are flywheel and quad is to the tires, but the highest tune on the ppe converts to way more than the quad 110 i would think. I would race my buddy with his ppe hot2, but he just put in a SC IV, 1058, so no way. I know mine has alot of low end grunt, i just think ppe has higher settings. The 160 tune by ppe is probably equivalent to quads 90. my .02. Just wait till quad puts out an update for some higher tunes, then sht may hit the fan.

The tech at Quad has told me this. if you run the 110 without the dpf its more like around a 130-140hp tune.

Tyler

PLUS .... you can upgrade your Quad to +135 for a bit more ka-ching~!


But +135 is way-more than I'll EVER need. I ran my Stealth on +110 for a couple of days, WITH DPF, but then I reset it back to +70. It was puffing smoke right thru the DPF (ha-ha!) ... and I'd have needed to replace the rear tires in less than 60 days~!!! ):h I don't see a better street tuner out there than the Stealth (no affiliation, just satisfied!).

so it you were to race two trucks that were the same but one had quad and one had ppe both set on a setting with STOCK TRANS which one would win????

i think that if you ran 2 LBZ's one w/ the quad on 135 and one w/ ppe on 225 both de-fueling i think the race would be closer than most think.

Definity agree wit 1lowdiesel, power to the ground numbers like quads are impressive. Where PPE flywheel, so you lose lts i don't know the percentage but that would make the PPE under 225

welp once i get my truck back on the road anybody in jersey w/ a PPE that wants to line up we can settle the arguement :)

I would love to hear the resaults of a race. i really dont know which one to go with but for the price i might just go with quad. the more i think about it... it sounds safer for the trans and more reliable and you can download updates.

The PPE is deff. not safe for the stock trans unless you have the self control to keep it under level 3! (if someone can explain to me how to do so I would greatly appreicate it) However, to date I have had no problems with the PPE DPF delete and the thing is scary fast in the higher levels. My only complaint are the very high EGT's

The PPE is deff. not safe for the stock trans unless you have the self control to keep it under level 3! (if someone can explain to me how to do so I would greatly appreicate it) However, to date I have had no problems with the PPE DPF delete and the thing is scary fast in the higher levels. My only complaint are the very high EGT's

What do you consider high EGT's?

What do you consider high EGT's?

PM sent several times.

I have had both and feel the Quad on the 110 hp setting feels stronger the PPE on the 225 hp setting. I could run the PPE on the high setting and the torque converter would hold the power but with my quad on high it slips. I do think the PPE is more top end then Quad but overall Quad is better to drive with everyday.

I have both and did both on the dyno.

Quad on level 4/110hp:
736tq 365hp
PPE on level 4/225hp:
743tq 395hp

I have both and did both on the dyno.

Quad on level 4/110hp:
736hp 365tq
PPE on level 4/225hp:
743hp 395tq

I take it you meant 365hp/ 736tq
395hp/743tq

????

I take it you meant 365hp/ 736tq
395hp/743tq

????
Fixed it. Thanks

I dont know about anyone else but those numbers don't give any insight why to spend the extra four hundred or so bucks.

I dont know about anyone else but those numbers don't give any insight why to spend the extra four hundred or so bucks.


Because you still have level 5:D and level 6:eek: to go with the PPE. Rob

ya that is true but Quadzilla said that they to, will have more power to come for the stealth 2 and it will prob be the 215hp and thats to the ground.

Tyler

That sounds good, and thanks for the info. I have both tuners so that will be great for me. Might have to put them both on the dyno when it comes out and see whats up. Rob

Ya would be interesting results like we have already seen.

Tyler

Rumor has it..... Remeber I said "rumor".

There is an update due out later today that's has a Level 6. Supposedly this will fill the slot for the 135hp tune. I was shown a dyno chart for a 100% stock truck minus the DPF that's showed mid 460's and torque was 840's. Supposed to be on an automatic and supposed to have been done in 4th gear???

It is not there yet but, I am watching like a hawk!

I have both and did both on the dyno.

Quad on level 4/110hp:
736tq 365hp
PPE on level 4/225hp:
743tq 395hp
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I thought the stock LMM had 365hp???
so are you saying that even with a 110hp tune the truck loses 100hp throught the drive train????
This does not sound right because i thought it was only supposed to lose 10-15%
so with a 110hp tune that would put the engine at 475hp. if it lost 15% that would mean it would lose 71hp
So the RRHP should be 404 give or take.
RIght......
or am i wrong?

135 hp level is up on the site it is no more a rumor.

Tyler

yessir it is

Update: 07.5-08 LMM NO DPF Vertical USB
Updated 03/31/2008
Software Version: 2.32
Tune Version: 2.4
Features:
Adds 135hp Level 6 Tuning
Free Update
For Off-Road Use Only


Dyno Graph for Level 5 & 6 Tuning on a stock truck. (Click Here)
Note: If tuner is not removed before going to the dealer and the PCM is re-flashed with factory settings this will allow you to re-download the stock settings.

the new update doesn't work yet, so hope they get it fixed today it doesn'y have level 6 on the tuner after you download it.

they are aware of the problem and shold have it fixed by the end of the day.

good deal glad to hear this.

Thanks Tyler

I have both and did both on the dyno.

Quad on level 4/110hp:
736tq 365hp
PPE on level 4/225hp:
743tq 395hp
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I thought the stock LMM had 365hp???
so are you saying that even with a 110hp tune the truck loses 100hp throught the drive train????
This does not sound right because i thought it was only supposed to lose 10-15%
so with a 110hp tune that would put the engine at 475hp. if it lost 15% that would mean it would lose 71hp
So the RRHP should be 404 give or take.
RIght......
or am i wrong?

Where did you dyno at ? what gear did you dyno in 4-5th ? how many pulls of each did you do ? Also a stock truck with no dpf will dyno inbetween 320-330 rwhp

Where did you dyno at ? what gear did you dyno in 4-5th ? how many pulls of each did you do ? Also a stock truck with no dpf will dyno inbetween 320-330 rwhp


i was wondering the same thing because these numbers dont seem right

wait didnt you dyno theese yourself im confused

I have both and did both on the dyno.

Quad on level 4/110hp:
736tq 365hp
PPE on level 4/225hp:
743tq 395hp

nope it was him

thanks for clearing it up! no i did not. thoes numbers were from another post. sorry for the confusion

oh ok got ya )

How does the Quad 2 handle the EGR being blocked? Is there a setting to choose from in a menu?

Thanks

No it just blocks the codes so you can either unplug it or block it with out getting a ses light.

Thanks for the quick response. Is there any real advantage to blocking vs unplugging the EGR, if the boost levels are not elevated dramaticlly? At what boost level will the EGR unseat?

Thanks

which ones better for towing 10000 to 11000 lb trailers which has better tow tune for lbz

Will blocking or unplugging the EGR accomplish the same thing?

I've heard the blocker plate is a real PITA to install. Much rather just pull a plug......

Unpugging the egr will do the same thing but in high boost it will push the egr valve open. That is why some people install the plate.

How do EGT's compare between the two?

If the PPE has lower EGT's to go with the power, then the extra $$$ is worth it to me for peace of mind.

PPE has lower egt's than the quad.

PPE has lower egt's than the quad.

And lower horsepower based on your independant dyno test. Correct me if I am wrong?

I don't know where all this magic comes from. Engines and horsepower can be figured based on math. They need air flowing through them to make power. In order to force air into them, you need fuel.

It is a fact to say that more fuel = more air = more power. So it is also safe to say that more fuel = more power.

More fuel also = higher egts. Sure timing and other things can make small differences but, in reality, there is no magic other than in advertising or claims.

If the PPE has lower EGT's to go with the power, then the extra $$$ is worth it to me for peace of mind.

If that were true, I could not argue that train of thought. The problem is that the only head to head independant tests proves that theory wrong. The tuner with the higher horsepower also has the higher egt.

So far, the PPE kills us on paper and on the forums but, not so much on the dyno??? Go figure.

Satisfied with quad so far. Plan to keep it for a while. :)

And lower horsepower based on your independant dyno test. Correct me if I am wrong?

I don't know where all this magic comes from. Engines and horsepower can be figured based on math. They need air flowing through them to make power. In order to force air into them, you need fuel.

It is a fact to say that more fuel = more air = more power. So it is also safe to say that more fuel = more power.

More fuel also = higher egts. Sure timing and other things can make small differences but, in reality, there is no magic other than in advertising or claims.



If that were true, I could not argue that train of thought. The problem is that the only head to head independant tests proves that theory wrong. The tuner with the higher horsepower also has the higher egt.

So far, the PPE kills us on paper and on the forums but, not so much on the dyno??? Go figure.

well with your theory there. my truck would have even higer egts then both of your tuners since it makes more powe.r but you know what my egts are lower. better tuneing can and will produce more power with lower egts to a point.

New thread on results, look here.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290811