So my buddy comes up to me today and tells me about this "dieselsecret". He says, "it will only cost me 50 cents a gallon, you just mix kerosene, cooking oil, and an additive. Im doing and you should too." I figure I will let him try it out on his 07 powerjoke first:D. His dad bought him that truck for college and figured if he did that, then he would have money to replace the motor if it ends up blowing it up. So has anybody heard of this? know somebody that has done this set up? thoughts and ideas?

I cant see getting $0.50 a gallon, unless you steal the kerosene and cooking oil.

LOL, Yeah I guess you got a point. "Supposedly" you get free cooking oil from restaurants (old news) and mix it with gasoline:eek:, kerosene:eek: and some other additives and in the end you get a product that can run your diesel powered rig. I dont really get it. The other concern I have is bacteria in your tank. I have heard bad stories of bacteria ALWAYS coming back...even after you clean it out.

LOL, Yeah I guess you got a point. "Supposedly" you get free cooking oil from restaurants (old news) and mix it with gasoline:eek:, kerosene:eek: and some other additives and in the end you get a product that can run your diesel powered rig. I dont really get it. The other concern I have is bacteria in your tank. I have heard bad stories of bacteria ALWAYS coming back...even after you clean it out.

You cant get free cooking oil around here. If I was to get into some sort of other fuel like WVO I would get a tank in the bed.

Is there a restriction to it in Minnesota. I dont plan on doing this set up, I just want to see how bad this could end up for him. I just checked the price of Kerosene....3.65 a gallon. I told him I doubt his "Future Fuel" will be below a dollar a gallon.

You cant get free cooking oil around here. If I was to get into some sort of other fuel like WVO I would get a tank in the bed.

Agreed. i wouldn't trust mixing any gasoline into a fuel for my diesel truck. i've seen what gasoline does to a duramax and its expensive sounding to say the least, but that was also alot more than just mixing it with other fuel. i'd be more concerned about gasoline detonating with our trucks stock compression ratios. i'm just going to bite the bullet and pay for the fuel until i can find a reliable source for bio-diesel.

I know somebody that did this. Make sure you set aside some extra funds for a new IP :D

I mean, Im jelous that he his doing this setup. But at the same time I just want to turn my head and not see what may happen to his truck. Well he already told me that he found a restaurant that will pay him to take the used cooking oil for them. He said only about 2% of the batch is gasoline and you need a gallon of kerosene to make one batch which is about 50 gallons. I dont know. I just want to see other peoples reactions and thoughts on this.

wouldn't it be easier just to make bio-diesel? or go with a WVO kit?

Well the start up costs is much less on this "Dieselsecret" that a home made biodiesel kit.

If your buddies truck goes BOOM! You'll know to leave it alone!

:duh::banghead::idiot::laugh_exp:rolleyes:

last time i was at the site it looked suspicous. i have heard stories about them. if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. the mixture they are reccomending doesnt sound like a goo idea. x2, should go with a good old fashioned wvo or bio. i wouldnt want to be that careless with an expensive gift like that. and i would wait for more people to do the wvo on that year truck, bio should be safe though.

wouldn't it be easier just to make bio-diesel? or go with a WVO kit?

Peter and I should go halves on a kit. 1.249$ a litre (4.727$ a gallon) is way too much to be payin for diesel at the pumps when gas is only 1.019$ a litre.

WVO is the way to go if you want cheap yet safe alternative fuel for your 6.5 IMO

Powerjoke, dmax and cummins are all around 16:1 CR DI, 6.5 is around 21:1 IDI, if it works in a powerjoker, might kill the 6.5. Just food for thought.

I bought the "DSE, diesel secret energy" stuff. What comes to you is a small bottle of "magic additive", a small pamphlet on how to filter and collect waste veggie oil, and a recipe. It says mix 85% WVO, 10% kerosene, 5% gasoline, and add 8 ounces of the "magic additive" to 50 gallons of the mixture. I tried it for 100 gallons in an old 1985 Benz diesel just to see what would happen...it worked, for the most part. However, I soon realized the mixture does exactly the same thing WITH OR WITHOUT the magic snake oil...If you live in a warm climate, have an old car you can afford to lose an engine in, and have a high tolerance for risk, give it a try. I did a lot of research and tried a few different mixtures, but 3 years later I'm still running VO in my Benz, but without the "diesel secret". The additive was analyzed by a coupel people on the biodiesel infopop forums and it turns out to be about half naptha (an additive in gasoline, also called Coleman fuel or "white gas" in the U.S.) and half xylene, a common paint thinner. Both of those can be found in Lowe's or Home Depot for a LOT cheaper than DSE. I went with a well-designed 2 tank system on my 6.5, because I like it and it's too risky to try blending VO with stuff to see if it works on that car...

Do not use DSE. Go look on a veg oil board and even us "freaks" that put straight veg oil in our trucks (with conversions) do not like it.

SAVE YOUR FRIEND'S TRUCK! STOP HIM RIGHT NOW!

There are a LOT of horror stories about this stuff. Yes, people take waste vegetable oil, mix with kerosene and gasoline, and this 'secret mixture' from the website, and then pour into their tank. One guy I know who did this ended up ruining his IP (on a Powerstroke), gunking up his fuel lines AND his fuel tank, and needed to replace the IP, flush the lines, drop the tank, and have it steam cleaned. It cost him $2000 to get his rig back on the road, all to try and save a few bucks. Bad bad idea.

Do NOT allow him to ruin a nice truck like that. Saying "his Dad can probably afford to have it fixed" is NOT an attitude of a friend. Stop him if you can before he grenades the thing.

Sincerely,

Rob :)

As already stated above, DSE is a scam number one, and number 2 is VERY dangerous. you can blend, do a search, there was a very recent post on it... oh wait right here i think..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226856&page=3

SAVE YOUR FRIEND'S TRUCK! STOP HIM RIGHT NOW!

There are a LOT of horror stories about this stuff. Yes, people take waste vegetable oil, mix with kerosene and gasoline, and this 'secret mixture' from the website, and then pour into their tank. One guy I know who did this ended up ruining his IP (on a Powerstroke), gunking up his fuel lines AND his fuel tank, and needed to replace the IP, flush the lines, drop the tank, and have it steam cleaned. It cost him $2000 to get his rig back on the road, all to try and save a few bucks. Bad bad idea.

Do NOT allow him to ruin a nice truck like that. Saying "his Dad can probably afford to have it fixed" is NOT an attitude of a friend. Stop him if you can before he grenades the thing.

Sincerely,

Rob :)

As already stated above, DSE is a scam number one, and number 2 is VERY dangerous. you can blend, do a search, there was a very recent post on it... oh wait right here i think..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226856&page=3


X2

Sounds like Steak Sauce is back at work!

I told him it sounded too good to be true but he said he already met a guy that was doing to his powerjoke and loved it. I told him gasoline in a diesel (no matter how small of a amount) doesn't sound too good to me. I will show him this post but it sounds like he is pretty convinced on this setup. Thanks guys for the replies. Maybe we can keep this going and see if anybody happens to pop up and tell us about a REAL SECRET mixture that does the truck good.

I bought the "DSE, diesel secret energy" stuff. What comes to you is a small bottle of "magic additive", a small pamphlet on how to filter and collect waste veggie oil, and a recipe. It says mix 85% WVO, 10% kerosene, 5% gasoline, and add 8 ounces of the "magic additive" to 50 gallons of the mixture. I tried it for 100 gallons in an old 1985 Benz diesel just to see what would happen...it worked, for the most part. However, I soon realized the mixture does exactly the same thing WITH OR WITHOUT the magic snake oil...If you live in a warm climate, have an old car you can afford to lose an engine in, and have a high tolerance for risk, give it a try. I did a lot of research and tried a few different mixtures, but 3 years later I'm still running VO in my Benz, but without the "diesel secret". The additive was analyzed by a coupel people on the biodiesel infopop forums and it turns out to be about half naptha (an additive in gasoline, also called Coleman fuel or "white gas" in the U.S.) and half xylene, a common paint thinner. Both of those can be found in Lowe's or Home Depot for a LOT cheaper than DSE. I went with a well-designed 2 tank system on my 6.5, because I like it and it's too risky to try blending VO with stuff to see if it works on that car...

X2 this is called running blended fuel. This isn't something for us here in MN exept for the 2 warm months we get. It is also not something to do with our or powerstoke rotory ip. It is commonly done down south in benz's and maybe cummins with inline type ip's. I am working tward converting mine over to two tank wvo setup. there are a number of people on this site doing it and many more on other forums with 6.5's doing it. If you are interested in this I have done alot of research into doing it in our cold climate and would be happy to share what i have found. PM me and I will get you the info. Don't buy a kit!!! there are very few that will work in cold climate on our trucks expecially ones that rely on electric heat for wvo. :)

actually not to incite it but Audi and VW(IIRC) recommended a small amount of gasoline to mix with the diesel for extreme cold weather. It was in the owners manual. I would not do it. Let me repeat that..I would not do it..

Well the start up costs is much less on this "Dieselsecret" that a home made biodiesel kit.

Not really, if you consider the biggest startup cost on WVO is filtering the stuff, which regardless you will still have to do no mater what setup you use, unless your goal is to clog the hell out of everything. once your WVO is filtered you can dump it right into your tank with your Diesel.

I also have a complete write-up on my WVO set-up, 2 tanks. Anyone PM with your e-mail for more details.

So I will be in Texas this summer. So you are telling me if I got some good Asian Restaurant Waste oil and filtered it I could dump it directly into my fuel tank and hope bacteria doesn't grow? A student up here told me that he worked at autozone and there was a regular that came in there with a cummins and he dumped used motor oil right into the fuel tank:eek:. If there are some tricks out there....lets here em, because this Depression is only going to get much worse before it gets better.

http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/t/1863.aspx
http://www.newenergyreport.org/019346.html
http://dieselgreenfuels.com/blog/?p=6

just for starters.

A student up here told me that he worked at autozone and there was a regular that came in there with a cummins and he dumped used motor oil right into the fuel tank:eek:. If there are some tricks out there....lets here em, because this Depression is only going to get much worse before it gets better.

I used to work for a trucking company that had a machine that heated and pumped old drain oil through a series of filters (it had a magnet on the filter housing) and right into the diesel storage tanks. I don't know what dilution you could get away with.

I have a lot of old drain oil settling for years in drums that I'm thinking about using up in my old Ford. I've seen old timers throw a couple quarts of trans fluid into a 100 gal tank. They swore it improved power and milage.

I thought about using this biodiesel cracking method but worry about the salt. They claim it's all removed by the absorbant beads.

http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm

So I will be in Texas this summer. So you are telling me if I got some good Asian Restaurant Waste oil and filtered it I could dump it directly into my fuel tank and hope bacteria doesn't grow? A student up here told me that he worked at autozone and there was a regular that came in there with a cummins and he dumped used motor oil right into the fuel tank:eek:. If there are some tricks out there....lets here em, because this Depression is only going to get much worse before it gets better.

Doesn't have to be Asian oil. Any WVO that is not hydrogenated in any way. If you filter it to 5 microns or less and it doesn't have any water in it you can just dump it in with your diesel. if you don't get it clean though you could cause your fuel system a lot of problems. I dont know that i would run only WVO but I ordered some filters today. and am gonna try blending it to see how the truck runs.

Here's some interesting data from CAT setting safe limits on blended fuel. A 5% one time after an oil change and 1% continuous filtered to 2 microns with a 50/50 premix of oil to diesel addition should prevent deposits and I would think actually improve lubricity of the fuel.

http://www.bmcoi.com/CatLit/Power/TECHNICAL%20PAPERS/BLENDING%20CRANKCASE%20FOR%20HD%20ENGINES%20-%20LEKQ6071.PDF

Yeah I figured I would start blending in motor oil in small amounts and increase until I see problems. I know quite a few farmers and could get my hands on some cheap if not free used motor oil. Well asian restaurant oil is much cleaner and easier to filter. They fry up veggys compared to french fries. I would rather eat a veggy than a french fry and so would "Ole Cheyenne". We got to keep her on a diet, she has been draggin ace a little bit.:D Any of you guys have a higher output lift pump to help move the thicker fluid?

id liek to know about the HO LP as well. i heave hear walboro is a good brand for those using wvo?

Any of you guys have a higher output lift pump to help move the thicker fluid?

id liek to know about the HO LP as well. i heave hear walboro is a good brand for those using wvo?

Walbro FRB-5

They fry up veggys compared to french fries. I would rather eat a veggy than a french fry and so would "Ole Cheyenne". We got to keep her on a diet, she has been draggin ace a little bit.:D Any of you guys have a higher output lift pump to help move the thicker fluid?
whats the nutritional difference between a fried veggie and a fried french fry??? Nutritional value of either is diminished or denatured by the heat of cooking. Plus potatoes are still veggies.

Also what difference does the oil make if its veggies versus french fries???...............none. The difference is either the type of oil they use to fry, hydrogenated etc etc, or if meat is fried in the same oil because the fat that comes off of meat when its fried has a very high gel point. It is still technically oil, but animal fat based so its gelling properties are different. Once you heat this animal fat oil or hydrogenated oil to a higher temp than its gel point, then there is no difference and it will burn the same. That is the stuff that clogs your filters or lines or cokes up your injectors when not heated properly.

Remington

If daddy can buy you a new diesel truck then he should be able to put diesel in it for him too. If not then they are both idiots. If I had a kid and he was going to try crap like that in a new truck I would take it away and sell it. Oh wait if it is under waranty they will probably make Ford pay to fix it. What was I thinking?

Here is the deal:
I did do the DSE thing, works great if and when you got good oil. Meaning frying oil that is peanut, soy and or canola oil.
If for some reason the restaurant starts to switch the oil and uses liquid shortening or other sheat cheap frying oils that are hydroxiganeted or transfat. You're up the creek without a padle, just like me.
My cummins freightliner work truck is down and so is my d-max.
Allready cost me over a 1000 in repairs and towing not to mention the loss of not being able to conduct business.
If you go bio, spend the money and buy the correct set up.
If you're trying to go the cheap route it'll cost you more in the long run.
I shure learned my lesson.

Just my $0.02 worth

any more question's? PM me

actually not to incite it but Audi and VW(IIRC) recommended a small amount of gasoline to mix with the diesel for extreme cold weather. It was in the owners manual. I would not do it. Let me repeat that..I would not do it..

Mercedes has the same advice. This was for Summer #2 diesel only. Up to 15% gasoline, but up to 50% kerosene. (I think I have the percents right, I've only been around MB & VW diesels for 35 years...). Not to be done with #1 diesel or with winterized diesel.

I've never had a need to do it.

I used to work for a trucking company that had a machine that heated and pumped old drain oil through a series of filters (it had a magnet on the filter housing) and right into the diesel storage tanks. I don't know what dilution you could get away with.

I have a lot of old drain oil settling for years in drums that I'm thinking about using up in my old Ford. I've seen old timers throw a couple quarts of trans fluid into a 100 gal tank. They swore it improved power and milage.

You can run filtered motor oil through a diesel, I used to run about a gallon or so per 20 gal tank. I ran winter and summer with it. It will make it run slightly less clacky and the exhaust will be less acrid, more sweet (mild smell of oil burning). I never had a problem running it, and am still driving one of the vehicles I used to do it to. I stopped doing it about 2 years ago. Now if I lived where the winters dropped routinely below 0 F and stayed there, there is no way I would have that in the tank.

ATF (Dexron only, btw) is an oldie. It cleans injectors and I found out about it originally from a top MB tech when I was having some injector issue or something (long forgotten) with my MB diesel. Whatever it was, it cleared up within that tank. He specifically said that to never run more than a quart per tank and never more than once an oil change.

Friend of mine is the shop foreman at a MBZ dealer, they just an an almost new "c"class 300 TD in with 8000 miles on it.
They guy was running bio diesel that he made him self and also is selling to other people, the turbo went bad.
The oil lines that deliver the oil to the turbo got clogged up by what looks like burned oil or crystalized engine oil.
MBZ run 10,000 mi. service intervals for oil changes and use Synthetic oil in their enginges.

The end result is that the engingine warranty was voided on the car.
So one thing is for sure, the bio diesel fuel is still in it's testing stage.
The DSE thing is costing me lots of money since my Cummins is still in the shop for over a week now.
All the savings that I got from using the WVO is out the door, plus tons of money on top for the repairs that I wasn't able to do at my house.
I really wish that this stuff would work, for me and for the rest of you.
But at what exspence............