Any one guess what is our best and biggest veggie oil producer is? There is some much of it, it could supply the demands of the consumer. It is easly growable in a matter of days. It grows very well in unihabitable swamps and open undesirable desert land. It will grow practically any where. The answer will surprise most. Who will win the Qupie Doll?

I remember reading something like somewhere....Jurupa plant or something to that effect?

Algea? Dammit.....The suspense is killing me. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Wait, algea dosent grow in the deserts......................http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif

Best is relative term.

Some plants produce more oil per acre while other plants have characteristics like low iodine and higher cetane. So take your pick.

I know advocadoes are one of the highest oil per acre producing plants available.

Blue Sun is swicthing from soybean to corn this year. Maybe they already have?

Any one guess what is our best and biggest veggie oil producer is? There is some much of it, it could supply the demands of the consumer. It is easly growable in a matter of days. It grows very well in unihabitable swamps and open undesirable desert land. It will grow practically any where. The answer will surprise most. Who will win the Qupie Doll?
Algae for $500 ? Not sure it's the best oil, but I've read about research being done for large scale production. University of New Hampshire is researching this. Sounds like algae oil could be made in real quantity without affecting food crops such as soy and corn. I do wonder what it would smell like at the tailpipe...

My take on best oil would probably be canola or rapeseed, which has of the lowest cloud / gel temperature in biodiesel.

KN

I don't think there is a best source. Alfalfa, corn and potatoes grow great here. A local university is doing research on mustard seed. We don't have swamps here though.

The university is trying to make the hull byproduct from the mustard see be usable as a feed for livestock.

That's right. Algae is 50% veggi oil. King Nuzz wins the Qupie Doll. Mannytranny had it for a moment. Relative or not, it can supply the oil industry needed and demand by the consumer. It can be replenished in a matter of A FEW DAYS. Plants can't do that. However oil palm is the next largest supplier. Any one up for buying fallow desert land and starting a algae farm? Big money awaits folks. We WILL be going to alternative fuels and who ever is on the front of the title wave will be better off. I am on that surf board too.

SD - I have yet to see a lick of Algea growing in the desert.........thats what threw me off.

Unfortunately, diesel still remains a small fraction of fuel used here in the US.........But if it could be incorporated into heating oil useage, it would be a good thing.

So SD are you saying that the soy bean is not going to be the way of the future for biodiesel production?

It will to some extent. Algae will soon take it place as a world producer of oil. It is being greatly experimented with now. There are a few Algae farms out in the desert now that have been growing crops for some time. The oil not only replaces diesel, but all petrolium baised oil products except for gasoline. Motor oils, hydraulic oils, machine oils, you name it.

Have any good links on alage used for bio- diesel?

Interesting stuff! Thanks for keeping us informed Super Diesel.

One of the cool things about using normal crops soybean, corn ect. ect. is that it supports the local farmer. Any farmer who wants to grow for bio can. There will be a bio- refiner ready to pay a fair price. He needs no special tools or equiptment.

I did not know that it is considered a "bio-crude."

Very interesting.

Is it distilled similar to petrol crude?

University of New Hampshire is researching large scale production. Link:
http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

Found this on the TDIClub site. - KN

One of the cool things about using normal crops soybean, corn ect. ect. is that it supports the local farmer. Any farmer who wants to grow for bio can. There will be a bio- refiner ready to pay a fair price. He needs no special tools or equiptment.The way I see it, farmers can grow food crops right along energy crops but the problem with growing food energy crops is world wide famine. If people have to choose between the two it makes both cost more.

Let the enegry crops be inedible, things not normally grown for crops, like algea, which is edible I think

If you really want to dive in to a social/econimical persoective tied in with the enviroment, every last drop of used fryer oil ( I.E. McDonalds) should be recycled first!

Once all of the used oil is recycled then you should move on to growing crops specifically for being converted into biodisel. The crops need to be something the local farmer can grow on his current property.

Not some new fandangled type of farm structure that only the giant petro companys can afford to invest in, own, operate and ultimently price fix!

If you really want to dive in to a social/econimical persoective tied in with the enviroment, every last drop of used fryer oil ( I.E. McDonalds) should be recycled first!

Once all of the used oil is recycled then you should move on to growing crops specifically for being converted into biodisel. The crops need to be something the local farmer can grow on his current property.

Not some new fandangled type of farm structure that only the giant petro companys can afford to invest in, own, operate and ultimently price fix!
:Handshake I agree Bronco. The beauty of biodiesel is that many kinds of feedstocks can be used. For those of in or near urban areas, the recycling of used fryer oil is the most responsible starting point for this fuel, even if it only provides a fraction of the total need. The oil gets a double use, and is kept out of landfills. QM, you make a good "big picture" point about food crops in competition with fuel crops.

Yeah I recon any kind of bio diesel is a good start.

Whats going to the land fill by the millions of gallons is animal renderings. In the past it would be used as cheap feed for other animals but with madcow it's all going to the land fill.

All the fryer grease in this country, 2 billion galllons a year is already converted into products like soap and glycerine and has a value of ~.15 cents a pound.

Whats going to the land fill by the millions of gallons is animal renderings. In the past it would be used as cheap feed for other animals but with madcow it's all going to the land fill.

All the fryer grease in this country, 2 billion galllons a year is already converted into products like soap and glycerine and has a value of ~.15 cents a pound.
These people think they have the anser to animal renderings. They seem to think they can turn evey single thing we throw away into high quality light oil.

Read to beleive.
http://www.changingworldtech.com./

You darn near can. Diesels will run on amazing things that are oil based or a mixable sulfer ash. Animal and poultry grease will gel (lard) at much higher temps, like anywhere from 35-60F if no anti gel agents are added however. Biocide fixes that to a degree though.

Which is it, "algae", "algea", or "alage"? I think its algae.

Gee, my local scum pond is a source of fuel? Hot dog!