well i am a gm guy have a new good paying job and am going to buy a new truck. I want a duramax but i don't tow (yet at least) and hear goood and bad things about the lmm. My biggest problem with the engine is mpg because the 6.0 is a nice engine and the mpg from what i read are about the same, i know the big difference is in towing, and diesel hit 3.99 a gallon today so do i do it like i said i want it soooooooooooo bad.

Get the gasser that runs on 4 cyl half the time if you want good MPG.

Get the diesel if you want a real truck at greater cost and good MPG.

Now go search for assorted other identical never-ending threads here, LLY vs LMM ... Gasser vs Diesel ...

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I just got back from Old Forge and we saw plenty of pumps at $4+. I've been buying new diesels for 14 years but, now it's a joke. The engines have gotten so expensive and so complicated, the mileage sucks compared to what they used to get, and the fuel cost is disgusting. Now they're predicting $5 a gallon diesel and I thought "no way" when they predicted $4. I remember paying 69 cents a gallon. The power is nice, especially if you tow a lot and that's about the only advantage. Because of the fuel costs the cool factor diesels have had is starting to fade now and so is resale value. My dealer used to beg me to trade in my diesels now he tells me he's having a hard time selling them. You gotta really want or need it bad to buy one these days.

If you're NOT going to tow you would be crazy to pay the option, plus fuel differencial---- Just my Opinion !!!

If I had to do it over I would have got the gasser. $4.09 / gal here. extra $8000 to get the Duramax. Not a wise choice.

I'm not sure where you guys are getting your resale value info from but the resale on diesel's is much much better than the gas motors. If you look at 50k mile 4-5 year old trucks you can see they are still going for high 20's and low 30's, their gas conterparts are going for high teens to low 20's. In my opinion the resale value at least makes up for the initial diesel price difference. Once you get into the 100k plu mileage range the diesel's have a clear price advantage as for some reason guys will always give high teens for a diesel no matter what kind of mileage or condition.

As for the mileage difference, I had an 06' 6.0 truck for a work truck and then bought my LMM and I'm getting a solid 2-3 mpg better. It won't make up for the initial cost difference of the motor, but it will more than make up for the cost difference in fuel.

In my mind I could get the diesel "for free" as the resale and mileage differences made up the cost difference.

First let me say I love my Dmax, however, I was in the automotive service industry for over 40 years and if you are not towing or carrying loads that would exceed a half-ton truck and you want reliability, longevity and economy as well as re-sale value, I would consider a Toyota Tundra or Honda Ridgline. GM, Dodge & Ford should get down on their knees and thank the good Lord that Honda & Toyota don't build bigger trucks. Please understand that I get no pleasure in saying this! It's a sad fact and a sadder commentary on what this country is coming to.IMO!

In my opinion, GMCTRUCK has it right. Yes, I have a bran new one in my yard. That's where it sits 5 days a week. I have a little commuter that gets around 37 mpg, and the only time I drive my truck is on weekends. I pull a big camper during summer and that's my justification for having this truck. When I bought my '04 the fuel prices were high but they came down in the summer. Not anymore. They'll come down, but not dramatically. I am starting to re-think everything now with expenses so high. Sometimes a halfton and a popup sound like a pretty good idea. We haven't hit $4 a gallon yet here, but we're only pennies away. My truck gets around 16 mpg (dually), which is the same as my '00 6.0. The only advantage is towing. When I bought my first diesel, it was a love affair more than a need. Even now I could get away with less than I have. The "bloom is off the rose" as they say and if you "...want it soooooooooo bad" go for it, but buyer beware.

......... get the diesel "for free" as the resale and mileage differences made up the cost difference.

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Stop being such a bunch of tight wads or get rid of your Duramax.

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Stop being such a bunch of tight wads or get rid of your Duramax.

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It could be bought. If you need two of them.

if you bought an LMM for a cruiser truck (like instead of a Rav4, or a Hummer H3), that's kind of on you. a turbo diesel with a 6-speed auto transmission is NOT designed as a grocery getter. its specifically engineered to haul a giant payload.

if I went and spent my $46,818 6-months ago, then today said "[i didn't take a look at what kind of functionality my $46k was going to be doing, and now i'm not carrying any loads]" that's not a reason get wound up.

"you want reliability, longevity and economy"

"not a wise choice"

before i bought my truck, i did the math.

300,000 miles @ GM gasser truck 11mpg @ $4 = $109090
300,000 miles @ LMM truck 18mpg @ $4.2 = $70000

Over 300,000 miles with my LMM truck, I'll be saving $39090 approximately, based on current pricing at my local gas stop. Not only will that far outweigh the $7000 I paid for the duramax allison, it will also pay for most if not all of the maintenance costs up to 300,000 miles.

also, i also drive a 1992 VR6 volkswagen corrado as my zip-around car. that's part of the whole equation, in terms of minimizing transportation costs, while keeping transportation times low.

If I had to do it over I would have got the gasser. $4.09 / gal here. extra $8000 to get the Duramax. Not a wise choice.
I agree, diesel is outrageous, I seen one station it was 4.29. It's hard to justify buying a diesel today unless it is for business or personal towing.

I agree, diesel is outrageous, .... buying a diesel ..... is for business or personal towing.


Uh, yea... That's what a Diesel is for. Seriously look at KEEPING your rigs.... But find other ways to get around when not needing the 7,000 cage around you. The bus, the train, van or car pool - how about bicycle to work and flip off the fuel station on the way by - that's what I do. :idea:


See my garage for a vehicle that gets 105 MPG - I ride it and my bicycle every other day whenever possible - avoiding rain and snow. Did not drive the D-Max for 6 days straight this week.


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I parked my truck in the garage until my trailer goes on the back. I'll drive my '96 Caprice with a LT1 until the wheels fall off. I get 25-27mpg on the highway and it runs on gasoline ! These diesel fuel prices are really pissing me off. This isn't fair. Plant that soybean, sunflower ect and to hell with OPEC. Lets put them back to living in tents, riding camels and eating snakes and bugs in the desert. My 2 cents.
And don't forget that num-nuts anti-American in Venezuela too !

to hell with OPEC. Lets put them back to living in tents, riding camels and eating snakes and bugs in the desert. My 2 cents.
And don't forget that num-nuts anti-American in Venezuela too ! Today 01:52 PMJIMMMYQuote:

Here, hereto that;as for high price of diesel like the man said , support bio, the technology is born from these crisises we speak of , and is right on the verge. Recessions dont last forever, and I bought my 08 LMM for whatever the blast I want to do with it, get groceries, light hauling, always had a pickup, never towed(not legally anyway) and made my bed and Ill sleep gladly in her:mad:

The only way that I would sell my LMM is to get payoff...and after that I would buy me another LS1 SS, Z28, or WS6...something of that sort...anyone interested? :)

Biodiesel is a great alternative, but in today's market with the price of soybeans you'd be looking at over $5/gal for pure biodiesel. I agree that if you drive the pickup a ton of miles you're overall better off with a diesel. My point is that very very few of us drive them that long. Most of us get hooked to the "new" bodystyle or "new" engine and it's too inticing. Like I said a year ago I still believe that with as many new ethanol plants coming on line (although many now are going broke) gas will stay well below diesel for the forseeable future. Today it's $3.21/gal for 87 and $3.85/gal for diesel. That's $0.64/gal difference! That's the highest I've ever seen it. Given the fact the new LMM's are getting the same or less mpg than older versions and it's very hard to justify unless you tow frequently or put on a ton of miles. My father-in-law just got back from Colorado Springs pulling a 20' enclosed Elite trailer with a corvette. He said it never shifted out of OD and he ran like 75 the whole way. He said it has more power than his old LLY. I drove it around today and I have to admit that thing runs! But mileage is no better than the LLY. I wish GM would come out with a 7.0 liter supercharged gasser that would get 18-20 mpg. Probably never happen though.

Biodiesel is a great alternative, but in today's market with the price of soybeans you'd be looking at over $5/gal for pure biodiesel. I agree that if you drive the pickup a ton of miles you're overall better off with a diesel. My point is that very very few of us drive them that long. Most of us get hooked to the "new" bodystyle or "new" engine and it's too inticing. Like I said a year ago I still believe that with as many new ethanol plants coming on line (although many now are going broke) gas will stay well below diesel for the forseeable future. Today it's $3.21/gal for 87 and $3.85/gal for diesel. That's $0.64/gal difference! That's the highest I've ever seen it. Given the fact the new LMM's are getting the same or less mpg than older versions and it's very hard to justify unless you tow frequently or put on a ton of miles. My father-in-law just got back from Colorado Springs pulling a 20' enclosed Elite trailer with a corvette. He said it never shifted out of OD and he ran like 75 the whole way. He said it has more power than his old LLY. I drove it around today and I have to admit that thing runs! But mileage is no better than the LLY. I wish GM would come out with a 7.0 liter supercharged gasser that would get 18-20 mpg. Probably never happen though.

:eek2: Holy sh**! How much more does that trailer weigh than the Corvette??

Diesel is $.72 more than unleaded here. That kind of spread makes the mileage break even point much higher. Well beyond what most (99%) will keep their trucks.

As far as GM making a 7.0 supercharged gasser that gets better than 20 mpg's...The closest they have is the ZR1 available later this year. I'd buy it.

At this point with diesel running $.70 a gal more than regular I have parked my Dmax and use it only when necessary. I have been using my 04 5.3 Z71 for almost everything. I start the Dmax once a week and drive it until its up to operating temp and then park it again. I have let it set for up to two weeks. I don't think I'll be doing a lot RVing this year. I still need it for hauling cattle but thats not very often. At least the Dmax is not getting a lot miles on it. If I did't really need it for hauling I'd think long and hard getting a Dmax vs a gasser.

I wanted the biggest, baddest engine under the hood of my truck, period. The first time in my life I was able to, I just did it. Lots of hard work to get there, still working hard to stay there. Knew the consequences, learning more along the way (good/bad), still no regrets. It's a great feeling when you can cross something off the "want" list, some people never get the chance...

Im honestly starting to regret trading in my 2006 Crew Cab 4x4 Vortec Max. Even the fact that it ran on premium it was cheaper to operate and had a HELL of alot of power. And from what I can see, actually got better milage.

I wanted the biggest, baddest engine under the hood of my truck, period. The first time in my life I was able to, I just did it. Lots of hard work to get there, still working hard to stay there. Knew the consequences, learning more along the way (good/bad), still no regrets. It's a great feeling when you can cross something off the "want" list, some people never get the chance...
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A man after my own heart...
Uhh,, soybeans are not the only option for bio, the focus is on ethanol because corn is what the farmers got put on the alternative energy bill and using soy for bio will in turn drive up feedstock prices on what ever uses soy.
Bio is not a dead end street by any means.... lets see algae, recycled plastic, palm, rapeseed , canola, waste vegetable oil, just off the top of my head, create a need and someone will come up with something good...remember(showing my age)the last oil crisis(alleged) (raghead dependency is not a fallacy), well couple of things are different now, like China and India, computers in your home, availability of mid size trucks with diesels, etc.

I am not a rep for bio, just anti raghead:D

I know they can make Biodiesel out of numerous things, but soybeans and canola would be the most readily available feedstock they can get large quantities of. As far as ethanol goes corn is still the main source, but as technology continues to advance you'll see alot more ethanol made from switchgrass, milo, and other alternative sources. We simply can't use all this corn for fuel and kill the livestock market in the process.

I wanted the biggest, baddest engine under the hood of my truck, period. The first time in my life I was able to, I just did it. Lots of hard work to get there, still working hard to stay there. Knew the consequences, learning more along the way (good/bad), still no regrets. It's a great feeling when you can cross something off the "want" list, some people never get the chance...

Amen to that!

I upgraded about 14 months ago from 2000 5.3l gasser Z71 ext cab to my first diesel. Some of the reasons were:
1. My off road toy and trailer was very close to max weight my 1/2 ton was rated for.
2. 180,000 + miles on my 1/2 ton
3. Kid on way, needed more room
4. Drive my vehicles for longer than average driver

'91 GMC K1500 Jimmy had 9yrs 130,000 mi
2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 7 yrs 180,000mi5. With plan to drive at least 7 yrs, who knows what I will own, tow, etc.

I got a great deal on '06 LLY with some conversion pkg stuff on it that sat on dealer lot for over 1yr due to LBZ's coming out. I love it and am hooked on the torque and power. Plan to drive until the wheels literally fall off.

IMO, it is a personal decision. If you really want it and have looked at initial cost, fuel costs, maintenance, etc. and can afford either without creating any hardships, then buy what you want. If you think it is a stretch, get what you can afford and save up for next time.

Look for 06 or 07 Classic LBZ's that are coming back due to payments not being able to be made. I have seen lots of recent model year trucks for sale, probably due to people that got overextended. Again, get what you can truly afford.

There is a lot of interesting replies on this one. I would have to think if one could afford to buy a 50k dollar truck then he or she would be able to buy fuel for it regardless of gas or diesel. I here people all the time crying about their Sub or Tahoe getting poor gas mileage. The same with people with full size trucks. The one thing I have learned over the years is just because you can pay for something does not mean you can afford it. I love my truck and fuel mileage was some of the reason I got a diesel but in a 2500 or a 3500 diesel is the only way to go. I agree if one is looking a daily driver with out any load pulling then do not buy the diesel unless thats what you really want one. If you compare our diesel to 1500 gas trucks then diesel is not a mileage advantage so you have to compare apples to apples, just my 2 cents.

I wanted the biggest, baddest engine under the hood of my truck, period. The first time in my life I was able to, I just did it. Lots of hard work to get there, still working hard to stay there. Knew the consequences, learning more along the way (good/bad), still no regrets. It's a great feeling when you can cross something off the "want" list, some people never get the chance...
Well said, The dmax is more truck than I'll ever need. For me it's more of an indulgence than necessity. Did'nt need the diesel just always wanted one. The extra cost to buy and own a diesel is something you have to accept up fornt. Heck I'am worth it, no regrets here either.;)

Not that my 2 cents are worth anything... But I figured if your going to get up everyday and go to work and come home everday then wake up on sunday and get the old bucket out to clean off the rig, you might as well be washing the sole thing you wanted so really really bad. I drove an 2004 GMC Yukon Denali for 2 years woke up one sunday in september last year got the bucket and cleaning stuff out and said you know what I want something bigger, 6 hours later i brought home a 2007.5 2500LMM. The denali had about 80k on it but now i can honestly say im ready to tow what i want when i want. I wont have to worry about damaging it with a nice trailer full of toys. I always felt the gassers lost a decent amount of MPG's with wieght behind them but the diesel seems to hold its own better. Probably as something to do with more power.

Happy buying...

I have come to terms with fuel prices and have decided to keep driving the duramax. I have too much invested in this truck and I truly love driving it, By the time I buy a commuter car pay the extra insurance and and pay for maintenance, I won't be saving any money and be driving a vehicle I despise.

If I was looking to buy a new truck. I don't think I would get a Diesel, fuel mileage is pitiful and the cost over a gas truck is no longer worth it IMO

i cna see buying a high mpg eco box if you are doing alot of milage then it would be benificial to you to do it. say 4,000 mile a month @ 18mpg is 222 gallons of fuel. @ ~4.00 is 888.00

3,000 at 35mpg is 85gl @ 3.40 = 291.00
1,000 @ 18pmg is 55gl @ 4.00 = 220.00

is 511 saving almost 400 bucks you can pay, licnese and insure just about any compact to mid size car and still have money left over.....

for me it is not really worht it... i dont drive enough milage for it to make a huge differnce i see ~2,000 miles a month

well i am a gm guy have a new good paying job and am going to buy a new truck. I want a duramax but i don't tow (yet at least) and hear goood and bad things about the lmm. My biggest problem with the engine is mpg because the 6.0 is a nice engine and the mpg from what i read are about the same, i know the big difference is in towing, and diesel hit 3.99 a gallon today so do i do it like i said i want it soooooooooooo bad.

Don't buy the diesel unless you do heavy towing and/or high mileage highway driving. The payback in fuel costs for average driving has basically gone away given that diesel>>gas prices. (and I doubt that trend will reverse itself)

The new LMM's are having teething pains given all the new emission technology. If you really want a diesel then look for a low mileage LBZ in a classic. (classic HDs = new HDs except for some bling)

I think diesel would have to approach $6 a gallon for me to go back to gas. I will never be able to give up the power that comes with the diesel, and to know I can get 20+mpg even if each gallon costs more. I can always run cheaper biodiesel, and/or make my own if it really came down to it. I do not tow very often, but I love the power, and love knowing I can tow if I have to. Nothing beats the sound of the diesel, the upgrades availiable, and the longevity.

Although diesel is insanely higher than gas right now, it could swing back the other way, like this past summer, who knows? It seems like diesel is the future of cars and trucks. I bet when all the companies realease new cars and trucks with diesel motors, they will presuade the oil companies to lower prices, otherwise they will have wasted thier time and money developing them.

I haven't computed the cost difference that would get me to switch back to my Titan. Although it was fast unloaded, the transmission really struggled to decide what gear it wanted while towing. The power was all made at 6K rpm or whatever; I have a race car for that :)

Mileage wise, I'm already slightly above the Titan, and honestly that thing wasn't rated for the 11K lbs I'll be towing anyway, so I had no choice. I was enticed by the mileage claims of the LMM, since I was getting 11/16 with the Titan. I'm getting about 12/18 now, and expect better once I change the diff fluids and get some OptiLube in there. As I've said, if I ever get to 14/20 unloaded I will never look back.

It's funny; I never liked my Titan -- can't say I have a real valid reason for not liking it. In a lot of ways (ride, offroad capability, intangibles in the interior, frame oscillation during bumps, standard options) it was a better truck. I will know later this week if I made a mistake -- I bought my LMM for towing and we'll see how it does towing back from FtWayne to Denver with an unloaded ToyHauler on Monday next week.

I see a lot of the same issues here -- I wasted 3 years with a truck that just didn't fulfill the one basic need I have of a truck: Hauling.

I think you should buy what you want and figure out how to pay for it. I personally made the mistake of buying the Titan because it cost less, knowing it wouldn't tow as well. Apparently I want my truck to be a decent daily driver, and go 75mph with a toyhauler behind it.

Incidentally, assuming 14mpg average (which is low according to our survey), 15K miles per year, is 1071.4 gallons per year.

At $3/gal, you expect to pay $3214 in diesel, or $268/month
At $4/gal, you expect to pay another $1071 , or $4285.60, or $357/month
A difference of $89/month. I agree it sucks, but that isn't going to dissuade me.

If this breaks you, or infuriates you, you may want to make compromises in other areas, like buying a smaller trailer and towing with a gasser.

If you bought a $2K honda/toyota, and it had no problems, and you drove it 2/3 of your miles, it would take a year to pay for itself or so.

Me I'm just going to drive my convertible more in the summer. I should be doing that anyway. Besides, there's no DPFs or regens on that thing :)

I bet when all the companies realease new cars and trucks with diesel motors, they will presuade the oil companies to lower prices, otherwise they will have wasted thier time and money developing them.

Pursuasion will bring down oil prices?? Yea right!!

For a given barrel of crude oil, there's a certain yield of petroleum products. (gas, diesel, asphalt, etc). If demand for diesel rises relative to other fuels then price will also rise relative to the other fuels. This is exactly what's been happening to diesel.

I don't see any relief in diesel fuel prices unless significant biodiesel capacity kicks in or there's a drop in demand for heating oil, JP4, etc. (which are very close to diesel formulations).

Pursuasion will bring down oil prices?? Yea right!!

For a given barrel of crude oil, there's a certain yield of petroleum products. (gas, diesel, asphalt, etc). If demand for diesel rises relative to other fuels then price will also rise relative to the other fuels. This is exactly what's been happening to diesel.

I don't see any relief in diesel fuel prices unless significant biodiesel capacity kicks in or there's a drop in demand for heating oil, JP4, etc. (which are very close to diesel formulations).


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If diesel went to $6/gal I would think that putting some serious mods into a gasser could be a better option. I don't know how much power a supercharger on a 6.0 or 8.1 would add, but I'm sure it would help alot. There is no question the diesel is a better performing engine, I just think that GM got too greedy with their marketing trying to grab another $8K over an 6.0. What did the 6.5 TD cost over the 350? I realize the 6.5 isn't anywhere close to the D-Max, but seriously.

I bought my D/A right before diesel suddenly became more expensive than gas at the pumps (yeah, you can blame it on me - its the black cloud that follows me). It is the truck I always wanted and I love it, BUT, fast forward almost four years and I'm not certain I'd even be in the diesel market anymore. I do need towing capacity and thats one reason I have it. Another justification was I plan on running it for 10+ years. But overall, if I was shopping right now, I can't say I'd do it again. One thing that keeps me going is the hope biodiesel and other alternatives will become more realistic. If I'm going to pay $5/gallon I'd rather give it to the farmer down the road then some camel jockey or one of our own making a gazillion dollars a year in profits. I know I'll be riding my Victory Kingpin for commuting much more this year.

diesel at 70 cents a gallon more then gas I would not buy a diesel truck. just not have the same power for pulling trailer.

A buddy of mine had this same issue of getting a diesel or not. He ended up getting the 6.0L because of the cost of the engine and fuel. My wife and I went to dinner with him last weekend and we took his new truck. In my 10 months of owning a diesel I have forgot how gutless thoes 6.0L's are. Getting on the freeway seemed like it took soo much effort for the poor thing. I will NEVER go back to gas for the simple fact of not having to rev the piss out of my truck to go somewhere. The dmax does not start working untill you put 10K behind it and even then it's just starting to breath.

For me the decision is black and white, either you can afford a dmax or you can't and if you can't you have to settle for a 6.0L.

I will NEVER go back to gas for the simple fact of not having to rev the piss out of my truck to go somewhere.

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For me the decision is black and white, either you can afford a dmax or you can't and if you can't you have to settle for a 6.0L.

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Man is this NOT a wonderful boat to be in!!!!! I'm "looking into" a diesel too but I'm wondering due to $$$$. NOW for me due to the wifes burb, it's gonna be like '10 before I can seriously look at it (so I hope fuel comes down)

Personaly I have no clue what kind of reception the 4.5 is gonna get. Hell I've debated getting a CRD grand cherokee for the wife, but the cost of diesel AND gas is going through the roof.

I have not personaly seen it (cause I'm deployed) but I CRINGE at the thought of filling up the burb and my old jeep (and then a LMM in a few years :( NOT COOL)

A buddy of mine had this same issue of getting a diesel or not. He ended up getting the 6.0L because of the cost of the engine and fuel. My wife and I went to dinner with him last weekend and we took his new truck. In my 10 months of owning a diesel I have forgot how gutless thoes 6.0L's are. Getting on the freeway seemed like it took soo much effort for the poor thing. I will NEVER go back to gas for the simple fact of not having to rev the piss out of my truck to go somewhere. The dmax does not start working untill you put 10K behind it and even then it's just starting to breath.

For me the decision is black and white, either you can afford a dmax or you can't and if you can't you have to settle for a 6.0L.


I don't think the new 6.0's or old ones are "gutless". Read the article on Truck Trends website under the power pullers tab. Looking at the 1/4 mile times for between the 6.0 2500 vs. D-Max 3500 there wasn't a huge difference. Granted the 3500 weighs more, but all I'm saying is that the 6.0 is a very good setup with the 6-speed auto. I understand that you will never go back to a gasser because you can afford it, but for those of us who can't the 6.0 is a great second choice that many of us will settle for. I'm just sitting back waiting for when diesel hits $4.50 and then I'll consider buying a D-Max. I figure by that time there'll be some really good deals on some slightly used ones and maybe then I can justify buying one.

I deal with over-the-road truckers (18 wheelers) everyday in my job. Be glad your not filling those fuggers up constantly. Get ready to tighten those belts up elsewhere too as almost EVERYTHING we buy these days gets there by diesel running big rigs (under eight MPG). Whats the towing capacity of a Honda Fit?...I might need to look into that:eek:.

Well I just bought my first Diesel truck in Feb. I will admit it sucks paying more at the pump but here is how I look at it. I wanted a diesel ever since I started driving at 16, now at 33 I not only could afford it but went back to a truck after driving cars for the last 6 years, boy did I forget how much I missed having a truck. The price of diesel at most stations around here is $3.89, regular gas is $3.19 and premium is $3.39. The last car I drove required premium gas so I am paying $.50 cents per gallon more then before. I am getting on winter blend fuel and extra idleing around 15-15.5 mpg around town. I would suspect in the summer I will get around 17 around town, this will make the over all cost less in the summer making the Duramax and the car closer in fuel cost. The car I was driving (Infiniti G35X) was getting 18 mpg around town. So I am driving what I want and only getting around 3 miles worse MPG. On the highway the Infiniti only got 20-21 mpg so it stays about the same and if I don't get on it hard the Duramax gets pretty much the same highway mileage as the car.

So lets look at driving cost. At $.50 cents more per gallon the truck will cost me (based on an empty Infiniti tank of 22 gallons) $11 more then the car. The car will go 66 miles further on that amount of gas then my truck will go. With the amount of miles I drive the duramax around town driving will cost me around $44 dollars more per month to drive then the Infiniti.

I do not see $44 breaking my bank. Lets face it I would not be happy driving a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius etc around. When I owned a car I did not own a high MPG car. The Duramax cost me about $7k less then the Infiniti. Now the Infiniti was new and the Duramax was used but only 24k miles on it. The Infiniti depreciates at a rate of about 54% after 39 months of ownership as where the Duramax will only depreciate at a rate of about 20% or so after 39 months. The infiniti needed a $75 oil change every 3700 miles, breaks and rotors every 20k miles, tires after 30k miles at $200 plus each. So at the end of the year the extra fuel cost is saved in maintence and depreciation as compared to the car I was driving.

Yes I wish it was the old days and diesel was cheaper then gas but even though it isn't its still not really costing me more then when I drove a car.

Dave