Got my twin turbo set-up installed and running this weekend and all I can say is :ro) :ro). Although tomorrow I will be installing a real boost gauge not the attitude moniter that I currently have.

For those wondering both chargers are under the hood, and it looks sweet. I had and seen several Dodges with twins and nothing looked near as cool. When Juice gets here next week I'll see if he has something to record the sound of the second charger coming on, that is postable for this site. I would say that this has to be the coolest sounding D-Max in the world.

This was installed on my 2004.5 LLY and it hasn't set any codes.:ro) We will build a kit for the LB7's next, Juice are you ready.:ro)

STEVE COLE I need more fuel, please.:) :ro)

Good deal. While GJ is recording sound for the net, have him take a few pictures as well. Pictures are good.

Pictures are worth a thousand words ;)

STEVE COLE I need more fuel, please.:) :ro)
I am sure he can tweak it for you..............

This should be very interesting. I got the scoop on this over the weekend and it sounded like it was going to be a truck that would run hard... Can't wait to see some pics of this setup...

I would love to see this.

:ro) Swweeeetttt:ro)

Pics are a must!

Please post pics PLEASE:ro)

Got my twin turbo set-up installed and running this weekend and all I can say is :ro) :ro). Although tomorrow I will be installing a real boost gauge not the attitude moniter that I currently have.

For those wondering both chargers are under the hood, and it looks sweet. I had and seen several Dodges with twins and nothing looked near as cool. When Juice gets here next week I'll see if he has something to record the sound of the second charger coming on, that is postable for this site. I would say that this has to be the coolest sounding D-Max in the world.

This was installed on my 2004.5 LLY and it hasn't set any codes.:ro) We will build a kit for the LB7's next, Juice are you ready.:ro)

STEVE COLE I need more fuel, please.:) :ro)Ready Stefan:ro)
Twins are gonna Rock!:ro)

BUT....

I don't think I have enough fuel to light them do you?):h

Who's Dyno should we Abuse Feb1?):h

Guys Want Pictures?

Sheesh, I dunno if i should.

This thread could get shutdown too.... that'd suckCensored

We can't even seem to keep a transmission thread open long enough to discuss it like professionals. (And Yes, that was an admonishment but not directed at the moderators... they did the best they could.. Thanks Chad and Tony!)

good job stefan, as for more fuel, steve will do a good job, but their is also Westers' Garage http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/index2.htm

he would also know how to find more fuel in the programing your looking for and also from western canada, really knows his sh1t:ro) , tell him fred sent you










Got my twin turbo set-up installed and running this weekend and all I can say is :ro) :ro). Although tomorrow I will be installing a real boost gauge not the attitude moniter that I currently have.

For those wondering both chargers are under the hood, and it looks sweet. I had and seen several Dodges with twins and nothing looked near as cool. When Juice gets here next week I'll see if he has something to record the sound of the second charger coming on, that is postable for this site. I would say that this has to be the coolest sounding D-Max in the world.

This was installed on my 2004.5 LLY and it hasn't set any codes.:ro) We will build a kit for the LB7's next, Juice are you ready.:ro)

STEVE COLE I need more fuel, please.:) :ro)

i am gona need a better job or something if stuff liek this keeps poping up.

Im staying outa this one...............

post a video of that thing please..I wanna hear those turbos whine!! LOL..

Im staying outa this one...............
I'll email it to you.... would you like pics... sound bytes or video?:D

VIDEO......and a price list):h

Video and Keys will do just fine, thanks!

Fries with that too?

I'll see what i can do. No Promises.... Shanti might slip me a concentrated vial of STFU before i leave or something

beggars cant be choosey......TWIST THAT i want it ALL

Video and Keys will do just fine, thanks!
LMAO... MGM in Oliver and the other fellow in Penticton will have first crack at it

:ro)

Guys Want Pictures?

Sheesh, I dunno if i should.

This thread could get shutdown too.... that'd suckCensored

We can't even seem to keep a transmission thread open long enough to discuss it like professionals. (And Yes, that was an admonishment but not directed at the moderators... they did the best they could.. Thanks Chad and Tony!)
Well,
Smoop doesn't sell a twin kit yet, but I'm sure if he did, it would be better, and all others would be imitators or crap. -:t

LMAO... MGM in Oliver and the other fellow in Penticton will have first crack at it

:ro):eek: Gee, let me think... um... hell yeah!!:ro)

that would suck twin turbos and only 25.6 psi of boost):h ):h

that would suck twin turbos and only 25.6 psi of boost):h ):hyea but us LLYs are running close to or over 30psi w/ J/A.

Well,
Smoop doesn't sell a twin kit yet, but I'm sure if he did, it would be better, and all others would be imitators or crap. -:t
be nice tripp):h , a little disagrement never hert anyone

ccat, would be nice to see you at the calgary dyno day, will they be in by then:ro)

that would suck twin turbos and only 25.6 psi of boost):h ):h

I've already seen over 30psi and it's only got 500 miles and a preadator :confused:

I hope you didnt choose to use the stock charger as the top charger.-:t Their just too exhaust restrictive in a twin setup on a dmax. They work ok, they just limit the performance of the atmospheric(sp) charger, even with an external wastegate. What kind of backpressure are you seeing? Matt

I've already seen over 30psi and it's only got 500 miles and a preadator :confused:you guys missed my point:confused: the lb7 attitude only shows 25.6 psi.(I know it will make more the attitude just wont show it).....hell my single will make 40 with the waste gate blocked but probably not for long...........right juce):h

single will make 40 with the waste gate blocked but probably not for long...........right juce):h
Yup... what he said.

But i was thinking last night (ya i know rare occurance... mark your calender and all that)

Won't twins make changing the sparkplugs a real PITA):h Even 3 years later though they are still good!):h But we better find them so we can run a range colder, regap them for a longer spark 'jump' under boost;) :eek: :cool:

I bet with all the overfueling we are doing with the bigger progams we are probably fouling em out much quicker. My truck has "platnum plugs" listed on the window sticker.....you guys found anything better than the stockers? What do you run juice?

):h

Oh yeah......were the hell are the pics?:confused:

I'm gonna post the pics when I get a set on Juices truck that way I have a set for both trucks (lb1 and lly). Sorry for the tease but I just wanted to let everyone know that they are on and worked get, sound great and perform great. Everyday I get in the truck now and think of the old day when my egt's were sky high.:ro)

Ohhh Thats Just Wrong.....just Plain Wrong I Say

I'm gonna post the pics when I get a set on Juices truck that way I have a set for both trucks (lb1 and lly). :ro)
:ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro)

Oh man, pictures of twins! Talk about a tease!:D

Juice, pass the hand lotion! ):h

Oh man, pictures of twins! Talk about a tease!:D

Juice, pass the hand lotion! ):h
HEY!

Jergens?

or

Lubriderm?

):h

if you dont want to do it to Juices truck mine is available:D , You could do it and my tranny at the same time:ro) . I think it would be awesome to see a truck with 35's and twin turbos and watch it spank the "built" trucks):h

So Stefan, after a while of testing will this be something that you all are planning on having a bolt-on kit for? So far do you think this will be able to do away with the nitrous for a while on some of the heavier fueled setups? I trust that you will have something for us to drool over at Indy this year.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rockon.gif Do you have any boost, egt, cfm, ect., numbers yet? Inquiring minds want to know and I have a donor DMax for my riding mower that I want to hop-up a bit.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

Adam

Juice just wants to blow up 2 at a time instead of 1:p

I always though true duals would be slick:cool:

Stupid question.......why compound on the duramax? other than plumbing of course.....

Come on. Put up or shut up.

Lets see some pictures.

Im in on the tranny fer sher:ro) But da TWINS r gonna be a while:(

Juice just wants to blow up 2 at a time instead of 1:p

Stupid question.......why compound on the duramax? other than plumbing of course.....
PRITJ!:eek: That's gonna leave a mark!

Turbocompounding gives one the ability to spool a larger turbo earlier in the RPM range than would be otherwise possible with a large single, and provide EGT relief. while maintaining streetability (smoke control)

I ment why not one off each bank? Smaller fast spooling, plenty of volume still right?

PRITJ?

quicker spooling, lower EGT's, smoke control

...a jedi knight craves not these things ):h

Need numbers and pictures Stefan, Come on Tomac your next):h :D

quicker spooling, lower EGT's, smoke control

...a jedi knight craves not these things ):h
):h ):h ):h

I ment why not one off each bank? Smaller fast spooling, plenty of volume still right?

PRITJ?
The Blowing up turbos comment
*POW*RIGHT*IN*THE*JIMMY* =PRITJ!


Ahh yes we can spool 2 turbos faster, but we need both volume, and the pressure. Volume of air to burn the fuel, and pressure to force it all in there. While parallel twins would work, it would be a compromise... low end spool, midrange or?

Turbocompounding is still a compromise, but as it was explained to me it is a better solution.

Need numbers and pictures Stefan, Come on Tomac your next):h :D
Hey, This ain't 'spin the bottle you know'):h

Besides... I live closer (relatively speaking)):h

Having Said That

Wonder what these will make with twins?

TTS XTREME
Comp Juice
Power Pup XXX
VA 'Stoopid'

Stacked?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

With Juicegrips?:eek:

Having Said That

Wonder what these will make with twins?

TTS XTREME
Comp Juice
Power Pup XXX
VA 'Stoopid'

Stacked?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

With Juicegrips?:eek:


Can you say HEADS THROUGH THE HOOD:eek:

You and Stephan make a road trip and we will find out ):h



Having Said That

Wonder what these will make with twins?

TTS XTREME
Comp Juice
Power Pup XXX
VA 'Stoopid'

Stacked?

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

With Juicegrips?:eek:

You and Stephan make a road trip and we will find out ):h
THAT... sounds like it could be a good time.

What possible trouble could we get into down there?):h Heck we could even 'swap' tow vehicles.... both are setup to tow goose or kingpin.

Twins on an lly.....schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!! I will be anxiously awaiting the results of some testing with some serious fuel added in. Let me know when they are for sale.....I am in!!:ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :D

be nice tripp):h , a little disagrement never hert anyone

ccat, would be nice to see you at the calgary dyno day, will they be in by then:ro)Will they be in by then!? Ha, now that would be sweet. I still need a tranny and a nice program. Hmm... although I am only a few hours away...:ro)

I'll pipe in here since I happen to know a little about the twins. First no pictures will be posted until they are ready for market (to keep the reverse engineering at bay). Second the whole thing needs some testing time with as much data collecting as possible. Third several parts have to be made so until a bottom line is known on those there will be no pricing. Finally the bottom line is the LLY configuration will be the first to market as it's the first to be finished but should most likely be followed closely by the LB7's. If the LB7's are much easier then they might actually hit at the same time but not before at least a month of testing on both and Juice wont have his until the end of Feb. or the beginning of March. I'll let you guys do the math on when they MIGHT be available by (note the capitalized letters in this here sentence lol ). If nothing else I bet they are at the event formerly known as TiM.

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I'd be more than happy to demo at TIM (Indy) w/ my LLY :ro)

I'll pipe in here since I happen to know a little about the twins. First no pictures will be posted until they are ready for market (to keep the reverse engineering at bay). Second the whole thing needs some testing time with as much data collecting as possible. Third several parts have to be made so until a bottom line is known on those there will be no pricing. Finally the bottom line is the LLY configuration will be the first to market as it's the first to be finished but should most likely be followed closely by the LB7's. If the LB7's are much easier then they might actually hit at the same time but not before at least a month of testing on both and Juice wont have his until the end of Feb. or the beginning of March. I'll let you guys do the math on when they MIGHT be available by (note the capitalized letters in this here sentence lol ). If nothing else I bet they are at the event formerly known as TiM.

Just curious to know why the LLY came first? With all the time the LB7 has been out I would have thought something would be out for it first. Heck, at this rate LLY stuff will hit the market before any of the LB7 turbos that have been promised for a year now.

I'm NOT complaining as I've got a new LLY that's going to need something when it's available. Just curious to know if the LLY was easier, or cheaper, or what?

It'd be great to have these out before Indy so that the Duramax crowd has some extra air in the pulling events.

Seeing how he OWNS an LLY, I'd do mine first too ):h

when i call stefan the other day, about his trannys, he did fill me in on your question sp33d, when he bought the truck, he did know of the two different versions of motor, as he was busy working on his trannys, he did not pay that much time to the differences of the two and needed one for his testing, he just had thought with the second generation, there would be better technology than the first, and over time lly would prove to be the dominant one, LIKE most here had thought):h , wishes he would of got the lb7 now, for the big hp

said the lb7 twins should not take to long after the lly are done, juice will have a set on real soon(R&D)

we did also talk about egts, and both felt they were way to high, in both the lb7 and lly motors, with just a mild tune:ro) , says the twins will take care of that problem, cannot wait to see them out

Just curious to know why the LLY came first? With all the time the LB7 has been out I would have thought something would be out for it first. Heck, at this rate LLY stuff will hit the market before any of the LB7 turbos that have been promised for a year now.

I'm NOT complaining as I've got a new LLY that's going to need something when it's available. Just curious to know if the LLY was easier, or cheaper, or what?

It'd be great to have these out before Indy so that the Duramax crowd has some extra air in the pulling events.

Because Stefan ask me if I wanted to partake in this twin project. I said yes and he happens to have a LLY. If he had a LB7 then that would be the first. With Juice's cooperation we will try to have them both out about the same time. After doing some research on the LB7 I noticed there are some differences between the two (personally I dont own one nor know anyone with one other than Juice and Stefan. A Duramax that is.) and those will have to be considered and planned for in order to speed the whole thing up. I think Juice will help in any way possible to get a little egt relief and cool factor for his ride (and it does look pretty cool). A little powder coating and I think most will agree it looks better than the Dodge twins and the turbo whistle is pretty cool also.

Something tells me Juice hasn't slept a wink since he heard this is project will very quickly become a reality on his truck....):h

Something tells me Juice hasn't slept a wink since he heard this is project will very quickly become a reality on his truck....):h

Sleep?:eek:
We can do that?

Juice dont you work ?

so how many bottles of lotion have you went through since you found out you were going to be a test bed for twins? Wait a minute.....I dont want to know:eek: -:t

Juice dont you work ?
Yes.):h

Believe it or not, I am in the Process of another 'Beta Test':eek:
A Graphical Analysis RTP on my estimating software:ro)

I seem to be doing a lot of beta testing lately:ro)

Well now that mine is off the for sale list, I need a beta test on a tranny. Yes the money I paid out has come back home to the guy who made it. HAHAHA PM me if you want more info. YEs I am back and ready to spank the truck for more ponies.

I'll ask this again what is your back pressure look like for your top charger?

I figured it was because it's what he had, but figured he had an LB7 too with the tranny development going on up there. Wasn't sure. Thanks for the info. Look forward to seeing the setup in the near future.

Fred, I think us LLY guys are going to catch up in the power dept some day, I hope :)

I figured it was because it's what he had, but figured he had an LB7 too with the tranny development going on up there. :)
LOL.. they do have an LB7.

MINE!:D

They call me.... I call my family at the coast... Call DTT Back.... and there ya have it!):h

Actually doing an LLY first is likely to be the best in the long run. The LB7's are finished production, and their numbers will decrease as time goes on. The LLY's are now in production and unless they stop the mechanical LLY configuration prior to ~2007.5, there will be more LLY's in service.

Fred, I think us LLY guys are going to catch up in the power dept some day, I hope

i would not hold your breath, but stranger things have happened

Fred, I think us LLY guys are going to catch up in the power dept some day, I hope

i would not hold your breath, but stranger things have happened

:D Time will tell, but I think you're wrong.

:D Time will tell, but I think you're wrong.
Any reasoning for this?

I know the EGR and Cat is hurting performance, as well as the tunes associated with running them, but what about when the EGR and Cat are removed and tunes corrected for this?

I have heard there are differences in the turbo, but at worst that is a swap out to a better one.

From what I hear the bottom ends are the same, so is there a big change in the heads that are/will limit the power in LLY's.

Sorry, I'm not doubting you (or others), just trying to learn and increase my knowledge base. Diesels are foreign territory for me at this time.

You guys have been great with enlightening myself and others though...Thanks!

Any reasoning for this?

I have heard there are differences in the turbo, but at worst that is a swap out to a better one.
Not that easy. You have all the electronic bull crap to figure out when swaping turbos on an lly. It can and will probably be done but is just going to take more time and $$.

Leadfoot, I think the two engines will have very similar capabilities in terms of power. I believe the LLY has the potential to make as much power as the LB7. I doubt it'll make anymore because as you said the bottom ends are very similar. Given the right changes though, the engines should make very equal amounts of power. The fuel is still there, it's just a little different getting it there. The turbo is definitely different and may be our biggest hold back to making the same power as the LB7.

As I said, time will tell. But I've talked to a lot of people that seem to think this engine has the same potential, and I tend to agree.

DPF....The turbo change has already been done on the lly....it has twins....keep in mind all electronics can be defeated. The egr doesn't have to work if you don't want it to and the cat is a simple on off project....nothing difficult about it.

Dont give up hope on the LLY guys. They said the 600 Cummins wouldn't make the power the 555's could due to 3 shots of fuel instead of 2. Well they aint met my 600 ):h . It's been a year and a half since I've done much work with my '02 Cummins (it actually sat without turbos for over 10 months in the last year and a half) and it took 1 year of that before anyone out ran me on #2 only. To this day no one (that I've seen) has bettered my dyno numbers. It's all about who has the most gumption to make it happen (well a connection or two might help) and dyno/track tunes the livin pee pee out of it.

DPF....The turbo change has already been done on the lly....it has twins....keep in mind all electronics can be defeated. The egr doesn't have to work if you don't want it to and the cat is a simple on off project....nothing difficult about it.
Cool, i didnt see where they had actualy changed the top charger for their twin setup but thats good that they did. I know theres ways of removing the egr stuff i just thought there was more electronic stuff that tied into the charger. I havent done much to an lly other than look under the hood but a friend just bought one so i guess that will change soon. Thanks, Matt

Your friend will thank you for it....maybe you and kyle can donate a bigger hair dryer to him....or if you want I have an lly that desperately wants a bigger turbo! You know...like a beta tester!:ro) :D

Leadfoot, I think the two engines will have very similar capabilities in terms of power. I believe the LLY has the potential to make as much power as the LB7. I doubt it'll make anymore because as you said the bottom ends are very similar. Given the right changes though, the engines should make very equal amounts of power. The fuel is still there, it's just a little different getting it there. The turbo is definitely different and may be our biggest hold back to making the same power as the LB7.

As I said, time will tell. But I've talked to a lot of people that seem to think this engine has the same potential, and I tend to agree.


LB7 and the LLY are the same engine mechanically except for the turbo, EGR and the head redesign which was mostly done to reduce warranty costs. Injector sleeves are gone and the injectors are on the outside but if you look at the bottom of a diesel head, it's flat. It's not like you can optimize much there.

I wonder if the valves & intake/exhaust ports are the same in the LLY and LB7 heads?

Using the stock LLY charger on top? Got an external wastegate? enlarge the stock W/G? Still can't figure out when doing all that custom fab work, that a real boost guage and back pressure guage wern't installed.

I don't see much limiting the lly other than the smaller injectors, run some bigger injectors and thats fixed. Oh, and un-plumb the exhaust out of the intake, that can't help. It'll be interesting to hear some numbers.

Can't start playing with his lly yet, I think they need at about 700 miles on them before its time to hook to a sled.

This weekend is coming, Gonna STEAL Stefan's ride for a few runs to Tim Horton's , McWoofies, whatever.... might take me 2 hours to get back with lunch, but... you know.... whatever works.

I'll try to get a recording of the twins, but how best to get it? Not on the road surely? and I am not placing my camera under the hood when running at WOT!

Maybe I'll be allowed to post an approved pic... maybe not.

In the end though, DTT will be dealer training on my truck(For Stage 2), measurements taken for twins etc... it will be a busy week. DTT has graciously cleared an extra 3 days for the turbo project, and we will get some prelim info then on the LB7 project. Nathan will be fabbing and designing the system, all i can say is thank God he does not drive a DMX... if he did, he would annihilate all comers... this might sound like a big brag, and Nathan is not one to toot his own horn, but his innate understanding and matching of compressors... its just that good. There is always someone better they say, but if there is, i have not met them in the past 3 years.
Nathan has always been progressive on this stuff, and we were talking of twins 1 year ago after he watched my truck dyno out at 543 (remember the page that took forever to end?) he watched the EGT Gauge.... So i would imagine that between his CTD projects (He owns 3 of them, all DTT Automatics) He has a system already worked out. Pictures will have to be forthcoming from Nathan or DTT only, My conversations with DTT has confirmed this as an adamantine fact.

However, I find it hard to keep my excitement in check of their including me in this endeavor..... we have waited long enough for an answer to our EGT troubles, and hopefully what feedback i can provide will be of use to all DMX owners.
It makes me very proud to have DTT entrust part of this project with me.
Thanks Nathan, Stefan, Bill, and Shanti.

"Competition Improves The Breed"

GITRDOONE!:ro)

so can we get some pics now? video clip? anything?