Just got back from the Florida State Fair. Had occasion to walk all around the livestock area where they parked the heavy haulers, stock trailers and campers. There were more diesel dually's than I ever saw together in one place. Now here's the thing. Most of them were Fords. I saw one or two Dodges and one Chevy, the rest were Fords. What gives? Can't be that many dumb people in Florida cause the trucks were from all over the country. Most were pretty fancy rigs, no shortage of bucks here. I just don't understand it. Somebody help me out here!:eek:

Ford lies cheats and steals to get insanely good advertising for their product and they made an OK truck. Chevy just doesn't advertise the DMax as much

My buddy has a 06 ford dually that he pulls his race car with, but when we go on the long huals he always wants to take my 02 gmc dually, says he likes the ride better.

I don't like Fords myself but have to admit even if they do over rate their trucks for ratings, they have a great F-Series advertisement program

I not liked Fords since my Dad quit buying them and started buying GM products in 1995. Honestly I think it all comes down to looks. Before the new body style I think Ford make one of the best lookin trucks. The tires fit in the wheel wells, two tone paint looks good and the interior is nice other than the crap plastic dashes. Just from what I have noticed seems like people who want to have a truck go and buy a ford. Just like people who want to be redneck wear John Deere T-shirts. This is just what I have observed from people I know. Sorry if that offends any Ford drivers.

Mudflap6.6

Sounds to me like that might have had a lot of people in an older generation (no offense to me, just the sound of it helps to make my point) and back in the day, ford made a great truck.

My first rig was a '73 F250 and that was one hell of a truck. I loved ford UNTIL I discovered the Duramax.

I'll be honest if not for the problems Ford as had with there engine I would be in one now. While I love my Duramax I like the looks of the Ford better. But I will say on a dually the bed on the Chevy is much better.

What gives? Can't be that many dumb people in Florida :eek:
HA HA HA ROFLMAO!!!!!:D:D

I see a lot more Ford duallys around here than any other brand, too. They are nice looking trucks, but I don't understand why they command the lions share of the market (if they do) either.

older gen..and ford is like dodge..they practicly have to give them away

Can't be that many dumb people in Florida !:eek:


Well, there are plenty of dumb people here, most of them came here from someplace else, however:)
But I have noticed the same phenomenom in my neck of the woods. We have one major Ferd (F@d) dealer that has been here since the 1920's They advertise, incentivize, practically give the trucks away. The better factory incentives help also. The local GM dealers rarely have any noticeable advertising, paper, or television, locally. I can count on one hand how many of the new GMT900 trucks I see on the road daily around here, those twin turbo super duty's are all over the place.
GM needs to pull their head out of it and do somethong soon. They just posted the largest yearly loss by any automaker in history today.

I think Fords advertisements just like toyotas is whats selling their trucks. They both make great commercials showing how "tough" their trucks are while chevy's too busy showing how their trucks get the best mpg's. In my opinion if you want to buy a truck its because you need a truck not to have a daily driver that gets great mileage. You the tallest toughest looking most powerful truck their is, atleast thats my opinion. Look at chevy's z-71 i think its a joke. The z-71 should come taller with much bigger and more aggressive tires that the regular truck.

Chevy just doesn't advertise the DMax as much


They advertise, incentivize, practically give the trucks away. The better factory incentives help also. The local GM dealers rarely have any noticeable advertising, paper, or television, locally


they have a great F-Series advertisement program.


WHATS UP WITH ALL THIS, I HAVE BEEN ASKING MYSELF THIS QUESTION OF WHY DOESNīT GM ADVERTISE THEIR DIESEL VEHICLES? I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM ADVERTISE ON TV (I donīt watch too much tv) OR NEWSPAPER OR ANYWHERE AT ALL:confuzeld ALSO IīVE SEEN SOME VERY GOOD INCENTIVES ON DODGES, ALL THE WAY UP TO $10,000!
ALTHOUGH THEY PROBABLY NEED THEM TO SELL THEIR TRUCKS:D
GM MUST NOT NEED MORE CUSTOMERS, OR THEY WANT FOR US TO DO OUR OWN REASERCH ON THEIR TRUCKS.

People may like the look of the F4500 over the GM 4500 because the ford looks like a regular truck while the GMs are a lot bigger.

Just thought i'd throw that in, just my $.02

Mainly all I can say is they offer more for the heavy demanding truck guy. They offer heavier payloads and more towing capacity. Then they offer a truck in a league of it's own the F-450 that can LEGALLY pull more then the Chevy 4500 and the Dodge 4500 and they do that offering much more comfort then the Chevy and Dodges do. I am and will still be a Chevy man but when it comes down to heavy pulling Ford wins. It might not do it the fastest but they can do more at one time then Chevy does and that counts to allot of people. Oh and can I say ALUMINUM rims and two tone paint. Allot of people like that kind of stuff and it counts when you are spending that much money. Ford offers a larger cab and for construction men that is a good thing. They have a reputation for good diesels since the first one was introduced and with the 7.3 Powerstroke of the 90's they have a jumping leap over GM. With the bad taste the 6.0 left in many peoples mouths Ford is starting to loose ground and Chevy is starting to catch up. GM needs to look at Ford and take some notes since they still out sell Chevy or GMC by them self but with them combined GM and Chevy do out sell Ford.

Chevy is up from 2% before the dmax to 25% of the market now. The stretch from 1995 to 2001 had to have killed chevy's HD market. The f-450 can't haul any more legally than the 4500 or 5500 topkicks that any regular joe can drive without a CDL.

I had an 88 Ford F SuperDuty(F450) that had over 500k on it before it died , now driving a 95 GMC 3500 with a 6.5 for work and an 05 Silverado with a DuraMaxx for towing the camper. Have been satisfied with every diesel I have owned over the last 28 years. Cussed the 6.5 out a few times when it broke down but all have been decent trucks

Mainly all I can say is they offer more for the heavy demanding truck guy. They offer heavier payloads and more towing capacity. Then they offer a truck in a league of it's own the F-450 that can LEGALLY pull more then the Chevy 4500 and the Dodge 4500 and they do that offering much more comfort then the Chevy and Dodges do. I am and will still be a Chevy man but when it comes down to heavy pulling Ford wins. It might not do it the fastest but they can do more at one time then Chevy does and that counts to allot of people. Oh and can I say ALUMINUM rims and two tone paint. Allot of people like that kind of stuff and it counts when you are spending that much money. Ford offers a larger cab and for construction men that is a good thing. They have a reputation for good diesels since the first one was introduced and with the 7.3 Powerstroke of the 90's they have a jumping leap over GM. With the bad taste the 6.0 left in many peoples mouths Ford is starting to loose ground and Chevy is starting to catch up. GM needs to look at Ford and take some notes since they still out sell Chevy or GMC by them self but with them combined GM and Chevy do out sell Ford.

Actually when comparing the 3500 to the F350 it is not that simple of question. While the Ford can pull a heavier conventional trailer the 3500 can haul a larger 5th wheel or gooseneck. Unless of course you put 4:30 in the rear of the Ford.

Same thing with towtrucks too...Im a freakin white unicorn out here...lol


But yea that and if you have ever gone to a ford dealer first they drop their pants to get you in one and make a million promises they can never keep. I think they give awsome deals on fleet programs like crazy...get more on the road,gives everybody the impression they are the best....Man I couldnt disagree more..Them things are fuel hogging wagons with crap interiors...

I never would have comsidered one before the duramax came out or before the 6.0 came out. Ford lost my business there and GM has lost a lot of business with the 6.5.

That said, the body of my GMC is nothing compared to Ford's body. THis dually bed is a piece of junk, and the sheet metal is pretty thin. The styling is good but the wheels not fitting the wheel wells drives me nuts.

I never would have comsidered one before the duramax came out or before the 6.0 came out. Ford lost my business there and GM has lost a lot of business with the 6.5.

That said, the body of my GMC is nothing compared to Ford's body. THis dually bed is a piece of junk, and the sheet metal is pretty thin. The styling is good but the wheels not fitting the wheel wells drives me nuts.


Notice I have an old Ford in my sig. Which do you think i use like a truck? It holds up much better.

Hmm, I see more Chev's out here than Dodge and Fords. But, there are 4 Chev dealers within 2 hours in every direction while there is only 2 ford and 2 dodge dealers. Oh, but remember, there's only 6 people per square mile out here. :eek:

Ford has had a lock on the AG market forever-

If you go to any horse show you will see 10 Fords to every 2-3 GM's and occassionally a Dodge.

Ford has had a lock on the AG market forever-

If you go to any horse show you will see 10 Fords to every 2-3 GM's and occassionally a Dodge.


Ground clearance has a lot to do with that....

So does the solid front axle.

Out here you see more GMs and Dodges than Fords on the farms. Dodge has really made an inroad the last few years with the Cummins. Personally, I don't like the Fords new interior. It looks too "Lego" or " Transformers" or something to me. I had a '96 Dodge and liked if fine except the interior started to fall apart around 50k miles. I went back to GM in '02, buying a 2500Dmax. Bought the '05 dually and wished I had the LB7 back. It had more power, got better mileage both pulling and unloaded and didn't over heat pulling the same load. I might consider the Ford, but they have their problems too, and like I said, I really can't stand the look of the dash.

Whats ground clearence got to do with horse shows.We show probably 30 weeks a year and have never been off road yet where we needed extra height.When we bought this last dually I really looked hard at the 450's,just couldn't bring myself to buy the motor/trans package.But I did like all the creature comforts and the truck like look and feal.If we could get a 450 with a Duramax with a stronger tranny/convertor I'd be happy.Or at least look very seriously at it. JMO

just drop my .02. i used to be a ford man for the longest time,72 f 200 high boy 390 gasser great truck,but was working on it ever other week,so went to dodge 98 12v great truck till i started putin mods on it then there went the trans, 3 of them ,and on the 4th i got my dmax and flywheel fubar after 28k with a few good mods not bad,now my fam is all ford but one and hes a dodge man with a 6speed,anyway in Oklahoma i would say is ford and dodge is king but gm is cumin a round i would say in the farm and ranch world ford is king bc there roots with the FFA,and there dad and dads dad ,blab blab blab,so ill say they cum to the gm side just give it time,and if my lb7 gives out and gm brings back a HANDSHAKER ill go get a new one,if not just fix this one:D

I wonder if it has something to do with that Ford is listening to its customers when designing their vehicles. No doubt the Super Duty is a good looking truck and the available options is the stuff we still dream about with our GM's.

I don't think ground clearance is an issue specifically at horse shows, but I've used mine off road enough to drag bottom a few times and I have to take extra precautions now to avoid it.

A small berm will do it. I have to attack it at an angle.

Truck choice by region is usually more to to dealers and the loyalty they develop with their customers than by truck design (my opinion). In traveling around our country with my RV, I find Dodges to be very popular up in Montana and Wyoming, Fords in Florida and California, and Chevy GMCs about even with the other two in the other western and southern states. Keep in mind that the Duramax is a newcomer to the market and has to make up some market share.

I've heard the F450 don't do to well on fuel mileage with there 4.88 gears and that kind of turned me off to them when I saw that. I pass Fords and Dodges pullin heavy loads when I'm pullin as well, and I'm not sayin the D'max is the ultimate pullin machine, but when we get in the hills, they seem like there strugglin to keep speed where I keep on truckin with normal traffic.

I not liked Fords since my Dad quit buying them and started buying GM products in 1995. Honestly I think it all comes down to looks. Before the new body style I think Ford make one of the best lookin trucks. The tires fit in the wheel wells, two tone paint looks good and the interior is nice other than the crap plastic dashes. Just from what I have noticed seems like people who want to have a truck go and buy a ford. Just like people who want to be redneck wear John Deere T-shirts. This is just what I have observed from people I know. Sorry if that offends any Ford drivers.

Mudflap6.6


Gee, guess I'm a redneck now since I wear a john deer hat and shirt ! LOL !

I wonder if it has something to do with that Ford is listening to its customers when designing their vehicles. No doubt the Super Duty is a good looking truck and the available options is the stuff we still dream about with our GM's.

I removed the heated tailgate comment - that wasn't very nice.

Fuel mileage? whats that? 12 ona good day.Tooo big of trailer to worry bout that.4:88 would be nice in the wind.Wish GM would come back with a gear option.Heated tailgate?If they made one,someone on this site would buy it :D

My comment might have been misunderstood. As I observed from where I have grown up people who want to be "county" wear John Deere T-shirts not knowing anything about the tractors. Same kind of people I know buy ford trucks not knowing much about trucks at all. That was all I was trying to get at.

Anyone I have ever talked to about trucks that knows anything about diesel says ford's are not the best quality. 99% of these folks are truck drivers who deal with diesels everyday because my best friend owns a trucking company and he drives/works on them personally every day.

Mudflap6.6

Ford has had the lock up in my area for as long as i can remember in the F350 and bigger truck market. But that is changing now because all the new state trucks are any pickups for companies are DMAX. I seen something the other day that i have never seen before and that was a Chevy ambulance. I have never seen nothing but ford ones in my area and i had to take another look to make sure i wasnt miss seeing it. So things are changing in the market and GM is becoming more popular all the time.

I've heard the F450 don't do to well on fuel mileage with there 4.88 gears and that kind of turned me off to them when I saw that. I pass Fords and Dodges pullin heavy loads when I'm pullin as well, and I'm not sayin the D'max is the ultimate pullin machine, but when we get in the hills, they seem like there strugglin to keep speed where I keep on truckin with normal traffic.
Now you can get the 33,000 GCVW on the F-450 with the 4.30 gears. That is actually the only gears you can get on the F-450 Dually. Now you can still tow a mountain but get a little better fuel mileage.

Chevy is up from 2% before the dmax to 25% of the market now. The stretch from 1995 to 2001 had to have killed chevy's HD market. The f-450 can't haul any more legally than the 4500 or 5500 topkicks that any regular joe can drive without a CDL.
Read my post again. I said it can TOW MORE WEIGHT LEGALLY. On the payload I was referring to the F-350. And as far as the CDL license goes you don't need a CDL to tow a fifth wheel camper. Go pull that big fifth wheel with a one ton dually and be over weight and get into a accident. You will loose everything you have from law suits. And if you use it for work then any trailer you pull rated over 10,000 pounds you need a CDL anyways. Chevy needs to consider building a 4500 on the pickup style chassis with the bigger brakes and big towing capacities and then ford's sales would really start to buckle more.

FERDS are for Girls. Chevys are for Men. Just my .2 cents.

What about price? Locally, a new GMC D/A Crew LB 4x4 dually with the trimmings will cost me 75 grand to get it off the lot when I include taxes, delivery costs and all. :eek:

I havent checked prices on Ford or Dodge.

Come south to the real world and pick one up for around 45 grand..Loaded

What about price? Locally, a new GMC D/A Crew LB 4x4 dually with the trimmings will cost me 75 grand to get it off the lot when I include taxes, delivery costs and all. :eek:

I havent checked prices on Ford or Dodge.


Mine's a WT, but it had all the powertrain options - I paid 34k with a bed liner and expensive gooeneck ball. Ford was about the same.

Now you can get the 33,000 GCVW on the F-450 with the 4.30 gears. That is actually the only gears you can get on the F-450 Dually. Now you can still tow a mountain but get a little better fuel mileage.

You can still get 4.88's in the F-450. I just looked at one today and I went to the website and you can get 4.30 or 4.88 gear ratio.

I have never owned a good Ford...and I owned several I drove several outfitted as ambulances, and I am still not impressed.

I am quite happy with mine.

my company curentley has an
06 3500 dodge 40k miles = been in the shop more than on the road,but you got to love the mega cab its like being in the back of a van.

97 F50 230k miles = This truck has been thru the ringer, but the only thing that has been replaced on it is the transmission about 4 times. It is one of the roughest riding trucks we have ever owned but it just keeps going.

07 2500 DMAX = we havn't even put a hitch in the bed yet but it will get one eventually. Dads driving this one and he said that it seems to be getting more power as he gets the miles on it.

i drive an 05 3500 DMAX 98k miles = it has been in the shop maybe 3 times, once for the injector wiring harness and once for wheel bearingand once for rear trans seal. we tow trailers all the time and out of all the trucks the chevys give the best rides. they have always been the smoothest.

we used to have an 01 F350 7.3L that we sold. that truck left me on the side of the road so many times it wasnt even funny.

The only reason we bought the dodge was because we had never had one and wanted to see how it pulled and did on milage and power and everything else. and as you can see a year later we bought another CHEVY.But i do think that alot of the reson that ford does sale more is because of the icentives.

Its funny because today I had my trailer loaded with 12,000 lbs in trees (which made the total trailer weight about 21,500 lbs and my total weight at about 29,500 lbs and I passed a dodge going up a 5% grade - he had a gooseneck that was 30' long and it was empty.

Only thing anybody around here knows about is Powerstoke, cummins and bullydog...... It its not one of those three, its no good because of somebody else with two of the three.

I think its appearance and reputation. Throw in some buying incentives and the deal is done. GM is absolutely capable of building anything they want to overpower the other two of the big three. Problem is, they drag their heels way too long before Ford and Dodge have already aggressively accumulated the bulk of the market. The problem is not limited to the diesel market either. Let me provide some examples.

Ford came out with the 5.0 Mustang in the mid 80's that was a killer performer and responded really well to minor (inexpensive) upgrades. Chevy had the Camaro with 5.0 Tuned port that the Mustangs enjoyed thrashing at every red light. GM eventually stepped up to a 5.7 that only ran as good as a 5.0 Mustang, so that was actually mud in GM's face (again). Finally GM went to the LT1 350 in the Camaro and deliverd a factory show room 13 second car that kicked the Mustangs azz. BUT IT WAS TOO LATE! The 5.0 Mustang had dominated too long so the public who would purchase a pony car went with the popular choice... Mustang.

Now Ford has done it again. They developed the retro styled Mustang to resemble the muscular 60's look. WOW what a HIT!!! What did GM do... they QUIT making the Camaro! Now they are FINALLY going to make the Camaro again and even jump onto the retro-styling wagon (shocked). But GUESS WHAT... There is no mention of the LS7 505 HP 427 engine! Only a 400 HP LS2 engine as the top end power choice! For 2009 GM will have a 600 HP supercharged/ intercooled V-8 in the Corvette (flag ship) so why won't GM offer the lower powered 427 in the new CAMARO???? Dodge will gladly put the HEMI in the new Challenger and Ford will offer the supercharged intercooled V-8 in their Mustang (they already do). Can you see the writing on the wall? Ford's blown V-8 and the Hemi will dominate until GM finally puts the LS7 427 in the Camaro to compete with the other two. Not only that, but Ford has been making the retro-style Mustang for several years (prior to Dodge & Chevy) effectively corning the market before the other two can even begin. Why does GM insist on lagging behind so much that they lose the market before they can even get started????

The Diesel market is a mirror image of the above analogy. GM drug their heels ignoring Ford and Dodge making great strides in strength and dependability with their Diesel trucks. They FINALLY got off of their butts and developed the Duramax. WOW what a HIT!!! But once again IT WAS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!! Ford and Dodge had aggressively cornered the market with their Power Stroke and Cummins while GM sat back and made it easy for them to do it. Not only did GM lack in drive train prior to the D-Max, but look at the difference in appearance of either truck when you drove off of the lot! Ford and Dodge... Beautiful ALLOY WHEELS! GM... steel wheels with plastic caps (whoopeeee). Ford and Dodge... two tone paint with really nice body styles and confortable interior. GM... decent body style... and paint, but nice interior (yawn). All 3 now had decent (comparable) drive trains, power and fuel mileage. NOW... FINALLY, GM has aggressive body styling, paint, ALLOY WHEELS and a killer drive train, but GUESS WHAT... ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!! AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been a GM man ALL MY LIFE and STILL AM! But I am sure getting tired of GM torturing me and the rest of the faithful followers with "reactive aggressiveness" some years following the others "proactive aggressiveness". Why do they insist on following leaders when they could easily BE THE LEADER! GM needs a MASSIVE MANAGEMENT RE-STRUCTURE or SOMETHING... RIGHT NOW!!!

HOWEVER... If GM will put the LS7 427 in the new Camaro with an RS option, hounds tooth interior and ZF6 speed trans, then I will forgive them and consider them.. redeemed! Be advised... The line forms BEHIND ME!!!

By the way... How do I send this letter to GM????

I wonder if GM would get off their azzes if everyone in dieselplace.com sent them a hand-written letter, or even if there was one letter that we all signed?

You know I forgot to mention that GM would not put any engine larger than 400 CID in the Camaros back in 1967 and 68 while Ford and Dodge were aggressively active in placing 428 Cobra Jets and 426 HEMI's in their pony cars. Even in 1969 it would not have happened if savvy GM car dealers like Yenko would not have used the COPO ordering "loop hole" to get GM to put the L-72 427" engines in the Camaro. When they did FINALLY agreed to the COPO cars... WOW WHAT A HIT!!!!!!! INSTANT SUCCESS!!!!!! I will give GM credit for developing the ZL-1 in 1969 without any outside influence (under the COPO idea). But they were hell bent to screw that up too by placing a $4000 price tag on the ZL1 option effectively doubling the price of the Camaro. For that VERY REASON, very few of the ZL-1's sold and GM considered them a flop! They actually had a fantastic idea then shot it down with certain doom from the get-go. For the past few years GM has considered their front wheel drive Cobalts and Impalas as their "performance cars". YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!! Why doesn't GM see where they are going wrong by now???? If GM can be as great as they have been with knee jerk reactive aggression, just think what they could do with some REAL MEN LEADING THEIR UPPER MANAGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY COW they would re-define the term "Instant Success"!

Come on GM... You can do it... just put the 427 in the Camaro NOW! Don't wait until it is TOO LATE (it may already be too late). Make the Duramax strong enough to easily tune to 750 HP with proper fuel delivery and air flow. Make the Allison strong enough to handle it without $5000 worth of modifications. Offer a selection of alloy wheels (not just one style). Offer some cool aggressive paint schemes. Do we really need independant front suspension on 4X4 trucks? How about a Heavy Duty version with a straight front axle? Is that really so hard to do? Am I being totally unreasonable?

Now you can get the 33,000 GCVW on the F-450 with the 4.30 gears. That is actually the only gears you can get on the F-450 Dually. Now you can still tow a mountain but get a little better fuel mileage.

You can still get 4.88's in the F-450. I just looked at one today and I went to the website and you can get 4.30 or 4.88 gear ratio.

You can get the 4.88 in the Cab and Chassis versions but with the dually pickup version they just this year dropped the 4.88 and now only offer the 4.30. If you take a look at the dually pickup version you will see it's GVW is only around 14,000 or 15,000 pounds and the suspension in the rear is only a couple of leaf springs it is not the massive stack of leafs found on the cab and chassis version. This is to give it a smoother ride. The dually pickup version is a separate line of trucks then the cab and chassis is.

You know I forgot to mention that GM would not put any engine larger than 400 CID in the Camaros back in 1967 and 68 while Ford and Dodge were aggressively active in placing 428 Cobra Jets and 426 HEMI's in their pony cars. Even in 1969 it would not have happened if savvy GM car dealers like Yenko would not have used the COPO ordering "loop hole" to get GM to put the L-72 427" engines in the Camaro. When they did FINALLY agreed to the COPO cars... WOW WHAT A HIT!!!!!!! INSTANT SUCCESS!!!!!! I will give GM credit for developing the ZL-1 in 1969 without any outside influence (under the COPO idea). But they were hell bent to screw that up too by placing a $4000 price tag on the ZL1 option effectively doubling the price of the Camaro. For that VERY REASON, very few of the ZL-1's sold and GM considered them a flop! They actually had a fantastic idea then shot it down with certain doom from the get-go. For the past few years GM has considered their front wheel drive Cobalts and Impalas as their "performance cars". YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!! Why doesn't GM see where they are going wrong by now???? If GM can be as great as they have been with knee jerk reactive aggression, just think what they could do with some REAL MEN LEADING THEIR UPPER MANAGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY COW they would re-define the term "Instant Success"!

Come on GM... You can do it... just put the 427 in the Camaro NOW! Don't wait until it is TOO LATE (it may already be too late). Make the Duramax strong enough to easily tune to 750 HP with proper fuel delivery and air flow. Make the Allison strong enough to handle it without $5000 worth of modifications. Offer a selection of alloy wheels (not just one style). Offer some cool aggressive paint schemes. Do we really need independant front suspension on 4X4 trucks? How about a Heavy Duty version with a straight front axle? Is that really so hard to do? Am I being totally unreasonable?

Don't forget what average people are willing to pay for the truck stock.

You can get the 4.88 in the Cab and Chassis versions but with the dually pickup version they just this year dropped the 4.88 and now only offer the 4.30. If you take a look at the dually pickup version you will see it's GVW is only around 14,000 or 15,000 pounds and the suspension in the rear is only a couple of leaf springs it is not the massive stack of leafs found on the cab and chassis version. This is to give it a smoother ride. The dually pickup version is a separate line of trucks then the cab and chassis is.

I was in the Dually trucks section and it said the website said you could get 4.88's. Guess they haven't updated the site yet or their salesmen because the one at the dealer said 4.88's were still available in the pickup. But it doesn't matter anyway, I like my Dmax to much and don't to Fix Or Repair Daily my trucks.

Read my post again. I said it can TOW MORE WEIGHT LEGALLY. On the payload I was referring to the F-350. And as far as the CDL license goes you don't need a CDL to tow a fifth wheel camper. Go pull that big fifth wheel with a one ton dually and be over weight and get into a accident. You will loose everything you have from law suits. And if you use it for work then any trailer you pull rated over 10,000 pounds you need a CDL anyways. Chevy needs to consider building a 4500 on the pickup style chassis with the bigger brakes and big towing capacities and then ford's sales would really start to buckle more.

I bet if GM tryied to build a 4500 or 5500 they would still try to use IFS, I always chuckle when I see a big chevy 1 ton dually with the little bitty front suspension everything is riding on.

Don't forget what average people are willing to pay for the truck stock.

OK OK, so maybe I am pushing the envelope a bit with the 750 HP request. :D

OK OK, so maybe I am pushing the envelope a bit with the 750 HP request. :D


I'm happier with 20 mpg from my powerstroke and 215 HP/450 ft-lbs.


Has anyone mentioned the piece of junk dually beds on these?

Heck I'm running 18-19 with my D-Max with all the extras on it.Inclding PPE set on 225

Heck I'm running 18-19 with my D-Max with all the extras on it.Inclding PPE set on 225
You've got a lot of mods on yours. Both my trucks are stock.

I replaced two 6.0 Fords with one Duramax. This way I don't need a spare diesel when the other one is in the shop LOL now, crying before

I REALLY like all these mods when were pullin show to show though..Makes alot easier trip or atleast more relaxing...

Pretty much the same thing around here, cause a lot of horsey people run 1 tons or 450s and they want a "pickup" 450 (not the big kodiak and dodge just came out w/theirs

We could also throw that absolutlely stupid lookin International wanna-be truck ,or what ever they call it, into this equation..what a JOKE that thing is..And yes,I have drove one.Typical yuppy moble.

WIll GM ever produce a 4500 in the a "pick-up" configuration, similar in size to a 3500?

WIll GM ever produce a 4500 in the a "pick-up" configuration, similar in size to a 3500?


They used to. It was the 3500HD. It had ten lug wheels (with 8 lug wheel covers?!?!).

They quit with the new body style.

Pretty much the same thing around here, cause a lot of horsey people run 1 tons or 450s and they want a "pickup" 450 (not the big kodiak and dodge just came out w/theirs
Im a horsey person and my old 6.5 dually dose just fine... No Ford or Dodge for me :)

I saw what I thought was a newer 5500 with a PU body on the back. sort of strange looking. By the time I did a double take it was gone down the rd.

From my experience most Ford guys go to GM when the time comes for a new vehicle. Especially in this category. I think that GM has the advantage in the 4500/5500 category with a real medium duty. Whereas Ford's really is a 1 ton with some beefed up parts. Those beefed up parts fail when really put to the test. Just my experience with these.

Gotta Love GM. The name says it all Dura--As in Durable Max--As in to the extreme

:ro)

I just went through all of this when I ended up with my dually. Down here, Ford's are cheaper than GM, Dodge is the bandwagon, and GM's are being driven by people who have had the others. I bought used, and found page after page of used Ford's, but GM's were sparse. Kinda made me think that people that buy GM keep them.

Word of mouth advertisement rules down here. My 2 roommates have Fords, but both are on the verge of trading in for GM after riding in mine, and my better fuel economy.

I just took a trip to New orleans last week and the whole trip down i must have counted well over 50 dodge dually's and a hand full of fords and 1 or 2 chevys. I noticed around the Detroit area it depends on what area you live in. out near the west side its all Ford. the far east side is dodge and the middle and north is chevy. I live in the middle. the far east is alot of older folks and i think older people like chrysler and dodge. This is just what ive noticed around here. Least its 90% domestic cars. i find it odd when i go out of town and see so many imports. im not use to seeing that many. I grew up Chevy and have always been chevy, allmost to the point of pissing people off.

You cant fix stupid!

I bought used, and found page after page of used Ford's, but GM's were sparse. Kinda made me think that people that buy GM keep them.

I have searched for some time, and ended up having to drive 4 and half hrs away to pick up my 06 Chevy Crew LT 6600, and as you mentioned, I too could have picked up quit a few Fords within my own area, also another observation is how frign quiet the Dmax is beside either one of the others, and after having 4" duals out of my 7.4L 2500 Suburban, quiet is really nice for a change.

out near the west side its all Ford. the far east side is dodge and the middle and north is chevy. I live in the middle. the far east is alot of older folks and i think older people like chrysler and dodge. Least its 90% domestic cars. i find it odd when i go out of town and see so many imports. im not use to seeing that many.

Yeah, west side is Dearborn, Ferd HQ. In the middle, where you are in Warren, is GM Tech center, I never could figure out that Chrysler anomaly on the east end, but it does hold true. I've not been back "home" to Warren in about 15 years now, but glad to hear at least they're still driving mostly domestic product there.

RikuY, have you ever noticed around SWFL, how you drive past the used lot, and see rows of Ferds lined up, occasionally you'll see a GM product in the line, next day the GM is gone, all the same Ferds are there a month later. Wonder if it's like that everywhere else?

I dont know what it is about GMs, but after almost 20 years of fords and chrysler products, I can tell you that I have never been happier than the moment I was pulling away from my last Dodge with my new dually.
Ford I can live with.
Chrysler? after the last couple I had, I dont think I even want them in my driveway if they belong to someone else.

I went back to GMC.

RikuY, have you ever noticed around SWFL, how you drive past the used lot, and see rows of Ferds lined up, occasionally you'll see a GM product in the line, next day the GM is gone, all the same Ferds are there a month later. Wonder if it's like that everywhere else?

Yes I have noticed that. When I found my truck, it was on a Sunday. I found out it showed up on the lot the day before, and I went and bought it Monday. The dealer didn't even have time to detail the truck. The used 7.3L powerstrokes are like gold though, and that I can understand.

I think the theme I am taking away from this is that the loyalty to brand is diminishing. The "hot" or dependable brand is the one who builds a good truck for a good value. I think it is just GM's time to shine. As soon as a cost-cutting re-design comes into play, I think Dodge will be the next "hot" brand. Just my opinion...

Yeah, west side is Dearborn, Ferd HQ. In the middle, where you are in Warren, is GM Tech center, I never could figure out that Chrysler anomaly on the east end, but it does hold true. I've not been back "home" to Warren in about 15 years now, but glad to hear at least they're still driving mostly domestic product there.


yea i wasnt going to get into why but its all based on what company has set up in the area.except that whole mopar thing but it is what it is. I live across the street from the GM tech center so im in my home land :D

I loved my 06 Ford f-350 It even came with a Factory oil leak:D

I loved my 06 Ford f-350 It even came with a Factory oil leak:D
lucky,
GMC wanted to charge me extra for that option

Just got back from the Florida State Fair. Had occasion to walk all around the livestock area where they parked the heavy haulers, stock trailers and campers. There were more diesel dually's than I ever saw together in one place. Now here's the thing. Most of them were Fords. I saw one or two Dodges and one Chevy, the rest were Fords. What gives? Can't be that many dumb people in Florida cause the trucks were from all over the country. Most were pretty fancy rigs, no shortage of bucks here. I just don't understand it. Somebody help me out here!:eek:
some like the way the ford tows.
I still keep my ford to tow my race trailer.

Things are changing around here but when you ask a Ford guy the number one question (WHY??) they all say "cause it's the number 1 selling truck." Yep can't fix it. I was the 1st one around here to buy a duramax (farm country) and everyone was saying why you buy that jap motor. Now I know of 5 NBS Duramax's, 2 6.4 Fords, and no new Dodges in my area.

Even the old timers are coming around. Got to love it!!!