I tried to find the diesel NOS kit from Jegs but did not find a diesel specific kit. Someone here mentioned a generic diesel specific kit on Jegs. Here are my questions for yall:

1.) What is the difference between one stage and two?
2.) What is the difference between dry and wet systems?
3.) Which systems gives the most HP, one stage or two, dry or wet?
4.) Would SD's Manifold require a dry system or wet?
5.) Would SD's Manifold work on a two stage system?

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wet is wre fuel is injected along with the N2O dry just N2O is injected and in the case of a gasser the factory computer sees the motor is going leaner by the o2 sensor and adds more fuel via the injectors. we are running really rich anywho so it dont matter. dry is your only option. each stage is another nozzle bassicly.....you could have 1-30 if you wanted your intake to look like a poruipne

Edit: you can peice a system together for less. My buds that are big into N2O on gassers like NOS quality of noids witch is about all you are concerned with, a dry nozzle is a dry nozzle pretty much. Some co.s go the janky way IMO and use a wet fogger to spray it"dry" basicly or make a single fogger a 2 stage by squirting out the fuel and the N@o passage with spray. Alot of guys run a single shot but am leaning twards 2 just to help make launching a bit easier.......you can get enough spray outa 1 to burn all your available fuel though.

I found the jegs kit.

wet is wre fuel is injected along with the N2O dry just N2O is injected and in the case of a gasser the factory computer sees the motor is going leaner by the o2 sensor and adds more fuel via the injectors. we are running really rich anywho so it dont matter. dry is your only option. each stage is another nozzle bassicly.....you could have 1-30 if you wanted your intake to look like a poruipne
Thanks Ratlover!!!!!!!!!

Boy, thats about unreadable:o I need to not be in so much of a hurry and use a capitol letter every now and then:o

I will also say that in talking with all the reps at PRI I am kinda turned off to NX now. I was strongly considering them but now am not. Nothing to do with quality of the product, just didnt like how the co was represented. NOS(owned by holley) not only hade a good product IMO but thier techs were extremely helpfull and and honest. They explained thier stuff and didnt BS or lie. Most of the NOS stuff is made in the USA too I believe(noids and other important stuff)

Spray or wait for the turbo? that is the question........hell there was a time when I didnt want to go any bigger than the 90hp juice. LOL

Well there is a big difference in cost. I wish these companies would bring their turbo to the market. I use both Bigger turbo and NOS. NOS maybe for look only if I had the bigger turbo. How is the Arora(SP?) turbo coming?

Not to pick bones with you. But stages refer to nitrous boost levels. Most drag cars run a two stage. IE 100hp out of the hole and then bump up to a 200hp shot. The main reason for a stage setup is traction. It also allows the engine to be in the right RPM band as well.

wet is wre fuel is injected along with the N2O dry just N2O is injected and in the case of a gasser the factory computer sees the motor is going leaner by the o2 sensor and adds more fuel via the injectors. we are running really rich anywho so it dont matter. dry is your only option. each stage is another nozzle bassicly.....you could have 1-30 if you wanted your intake to look like a poruipne

Edit: you can peice a system together for less. My buds that are big into N2O on gassers like NOS quality of noids witch is about all you are concerned with, a dry nozzle is a dry nozzle pretty much. Some co.s go the janky way IMO and use a wet fogger to spray it"dry" basicly or make a single fogger a 2 stage by squirting out the fuel and the N@o passage with spray. Alot of guys run a single shot but am leaning twards 2 just to help make launching a bit easier.......you can get enough spray outa 1 to burn all your available fuel though.

Correct, I should have noted that each nozzle should have its own noid also! :o Thanks for the clarification!

Edit: you can run multipul nozzles or foggers or how ever else you are squirting the stuff off of one sylinoid(most cars do). Stage refers to how many differnt stages of noids you got going. Diesels are genneraly running 1 point of squirting per noid or stage. You can dump as much spray as you could burn with one stage or so i believe, multipul stages makes it so you can have it coming on at different times based on boost or time or with a button or how ever you want it activated. So all your hit aint coming on right away.

"Alot of guys run a single shot but am leaning twards 2 just to help make launching a bit easier.......you can get enough spray outa 1 to burn all your available fuel though."

I think Philip thought it was implied.

On edit: He beat me to it.:o

Yes, but I didnt make it clear:o

I think the first shot is to get it moving, alot of weight. Second shot is the big shot , high HP.?

My inline manifolds handle the single shot or the duel shot. You wont need a duel shot unless you want to run two smaller solinoids. Some run a starter shot, but I found it to be unnecessary. The big turbo will still benefit from a shot of N2O if the fuel is big enough. Your power will greatly depend on amount of fuel, nozzle size, and a big set of Brass Ba%$.

Thanks SD!!!! I'm still waiting on your phone call.

Your power will greatly depend on amount of fuel, nozzle size, and a big set of Brass Ba%$.Well I think the extreme is giving me plenty of fuel and I do have a pretty big set of......well anyway.....;) ):h I think you forgot one peice to the equation thats holding me back in particular. $$$$:( :D

Alot of guys run one big shot off one stage/sylinoid. Tomac does, SD does, many others do.

If i go spray(might wait for a turbo now?:confused: )I will probably go 2 stages for traction reasons although i will probably find once I get playing that I could possibly spray all at once? Its something you gota mess with. You could run one big stage, play with it and if you find that you would prefer a smaller hit off the line you could easily add another stage to the mix. If your running a bigger turbo and you are still slightly overfueled then a simple 1 stage would help you. If your just out for playing on the street and making dyno #'s and a few passes for fun and such then a single stage would be more economical, a bit easierto install and probably do you fine. JMO, i I dont have any experience running it on a diesel.

I'm at the limit of traction now with a single stage of nitrous using a .059 to .062 jet. I can spin all 4 if I launch too hard. Luckily that is also enough nitrous to clean up the fuel I have. With bigger injectors I would have to go to a second stage and hit it somewhere down track depending on traction or run a progressive controller with a single stage and a bigger jet.

I'm at the limit of traction now with a single stage of nitrous using a .059 to .060 jet. I can spin all 4 if I launch too hard. Luckily that is also enough nitrous to clean up the fuel I have. With bigger injectors I would have to go to a second stage and hit it somewhere down track depending on traction or run a progressive controller with a single stage and a bigger jet.

There are other ways to do it that will soften the hit and keep traction. I am spraying pretty close to out of the hole now and still holding with the 2WD (provided good track prep).

To optimize it's effectiveness, run 3 stages (2 nozzles, 2 solenoids). 1 nozzle (small stage/first stage (ie with smaller jet)) placed in boot right after the intercooler using a small powershot solenoid. Second stage/larger stage (ie with bigger jet) nozzle in SD's manifold using a "R" solenoid. Using a 3 stage, adjustable voltage WOT TPS (actually referencing the MAP 0-5 volt ref) switch, trigger the small solenoid at low boost (5-10psi), then trigger the second stage on at 15-20psi (second stage shuts down the first stage), then trigger the 3rd stage at 25 or so psi (3rd stage actually reactivates the 1stage while the the 2nd stage is on).

Better than a "pulse" progressive unit (not as bad on the solenoids) and more benefit of the cooling effect the nitrous offers (by adding the the nitrous in the intake tract sooner).

Can't go wrong!!!!

Just my thoughts.

is that how your set up? Why 3 stages instead of 2?

About your sig Howd you make 500 and 548 outa curiosity? Whats the programable launch boost? Or is that the wastgate fooling widget?

To optimize it's effectiveness, run 3 stages (2 nozzles, 2 solenoids). 1 nozzle (small stage/first stage (ie with smaller jet)) placed in boot right after the intercooler using a small powershot solenoid. Second stage/larger stage (ie with bigger jet) nozzle in SD's manifold using a "R" solenoid. Using a 3 stage, adjustable voltage WOT TPS (actually referencing the MAP 0-5 volt ref) switch, trigger the small solenoid at low boost (5-10psi), then trigger the second stage on at 15-20psi (second stage shuts down the first stage), then trigger the 3rd stage at 25 or so psi (3rd stage actually reactivates the 1stage while the the 2nd stage is on).

Better than a "pulse" progressive unit (not as bad on the solenoids) and more benefit of the cooling effect the nitrous offers (by adding the the nitrous in the intake tract sooner).

Can't go wrong!!!!

Just my thoughts.

Have you actually tried this setup? Track results? We reach full RPM, full boost and full TPS voltage so fast that all of this stuff would not really be staged.

When racing, KISS rule applies. If there is less to go wrong then less will. Two jets max with pro flow noid are all we need to make monster power and with soft lines to the jet(s) the hit is easily manageable.

Just my thoughts. ;)

Brandon, I've been told that soft lines going to the nozzle soften the hit enough? Is this all you are doing? I thought you were just going into the AIH so You have one nozzle? Why the need for 2 IYO? Its easy enough to get the flow outa one correct.....cooling, softening the hit if you have one placed furthur upstreame? Questions questions questions I know ;)

:ro)

Edit: I see you say jet(s) so maybe you are just running 1 still? or my memory is bad? I have wondered if 1 stage with 2 nozzles, one being farthur upstream would soften things enough to be almost 2 stageish? All in theory though.....normally when i go by my theory stuff blows up when it shouldnt and dosnt blow up when it should(remeber the adventures of LabRat?):h ) ):h :eek: ):h

I started with one in the IAH. I now run a single pro solenoid with a -4 y split to a small jet and a big jet. You just gotta figure out where the big one and small one goes for a sweet, smooooth nitrous hit. :cool:

Rat,

mine is single stage right now. What I mentioned is what I am working on currently. Just finished the controller and will be installing it within the next few weeks. Problem is my schedule gets really busy here as it's the start of the season for us. Hopefully will have some time to get it finished and get some pics. As for HP 500 was just with stacks, and 548 was on a small LP & barely a nitrous tuneup. The MSD boost controller I mainly use for launching (holding boost at desired boost level when staging).

Brandon,

I think I might have misinformed you, the TPS switch is actually tied into the MAP sensor (not the TPS). Both are just a 0-5volt signal and considering the switch is adjustable, I can set it up at different boost levels.

As far as testing, not yet, just as the setup is not complete yet. It's nothing more than a progressive system referenced from boost. The controller was built using the information from:
http://www.lovehorsepower.com/MR2_Docs/water_injection_controller.htm

Not my site.


It's still just 2 noids, 2 nozzles with 2 jets, just activated according to boost. With the flip of a switch (planned) it can return to a simple 2 stage unit.

I agree with the KISS theory, but the KISS theory all depends on a persons idea of simple. This to me is simple, a typical 2 stage system may be simple to some but not all. Simple to one person maybe a 1 module with nothing else, another person could consider simple as 1 module, a LP system, and a nitrous system. Simple to me is not having to rip into the motor and change pistons, cam, etc to go quicker/faster. :)

Just sharing my thoughts on the subject.

Rat,

mine is single stage right now. What I mentioned is what I am working on currently. Just finished the controller and will be installing it within the next few weeks. Problem is my schedule gets really busy here as it's the start of the season for us. Hopefully will have some time to get it finished and get some pics. As for HP 500 was just with stacks, and 548 was on a small LP & barely a nitrous tuneup. The MSD boost controller I mainly use for launching (holding boost at desired boost level when staging).

Brandon,

I think I might have misinformed you, the TPS switch is actually tied into the MAP sensor (not the TPS). Both are just a 0-5volt signal and considering the switch is adjustable, I can set it up at different boost levels.

As far as testing, not yet, just as the setup is not complete yet. It's nothing more than a progressive system referenced from boost. The controller was built using the information from:
http://www.lovehorsepower.com/MR2_Docs/water_injection_controller.htm

Not my site.


It's still just 2 noids, 2 nozzles with 2 jets, just activated according to boost. With the flip of a switch (planned) it can return to a simple 2 stage unit.

I agree with the KISS theory, but the KISS theory all depends on a persons idea of simple. This to me is simple, a typical 2 stage system may be simple to some but not all. Simple to one person maybe a 1 module with nothing else, another person could consider simple as 1 module, a LP system, and a nitrous system. Simple to me is not having to rip into the motor and change pistons, cam, etc to go quicker/faster. :)

Just sharing my thoughts on the subject.

I hear ya and I will certainly be watching to see your results. I am not afraid to learn from others. :) Your explanation certainly makes more sense now. I like elegant solutions to problems but I have learned the hard way that they can sometimes come back around and bite you in the @ss. I do know that I simply want more power. :D

Just got back from Quad's store and picked up his two stage system. Offered me a price I could not refuse. I got the heater for the tank too. If you want to know the price call them. BC I don't know if was an in person deal or what. They said they have a bounch of them and they were trying to move them over Christmas but did not move them that good. The heater was extra price wise. He did mention that the kit came with a lot of different size nozzles. He did not call them nozzles for some reason. So whatever it was it controlled the amount of spray. Like 75 bucks worth.

Just got back from Quad's store and picked up his two stage system. Offered me a price I could not refuse. I got the heater for the tank too. If you want to know the price call them. BC I don't know if was an in person deal or what. They said they have a bounch of them and they were trying to move them over Christmas but did not move them that good. The heater was extra price wise. He did mention that the kit came with a lot of different size nozzles. He did not call them nozzles for some reason. So whatever it was it controlled the amount of spray. Like 75 bucks worth.

The nozzles are what shoot the nitrous into the intake system. The jets or pills depending on what you call them are what regulate how much nitrous will pass through the nozzle.

He called them pills. Hard to remember BC pills is such an odd name to me. Odd name to name a part on a NOS system that is.