: Question on 4" Tuff Country
JakeLeg 02-04-2008, 07:53 PM I've never had a lifted truck,so bear with me,if I put the 4 " Tufcountry lift on my truck,do I need aftermarket wheels? And do I need anything else? I use my trucks on the farm and jobsite and pull trailers 75% of time.Trucks rarely see pavement but when they do its for a trip to city 60 to 100 miles and still want a good driving truck.Don't want anything severe although I like the look of the lifted trucks just need to use it in the real world. This new chevy just needs something its just too much like a car compared to what I'm used to.Don't get me wrong I like it so far but it needs some balls.
I've never had a lifted truck,so bear with me,if I put the 4 " Tufcountry lift on my truck,do I need aftermarket wheels? And do I need anything else? I use my trucks on the farm and jobsite and pull trailers 75% of time.Trucks rarely see pavement but when they do its for a trip to city 60 to 100 miles and still want a good driving truck.Don't want anything severe although I like the look of the lifted trucks just need to use it in the real world. This new chevy just needs something its just too much like a car compared to what I'm used to.Don't get me wrong I like it so far but it needs some balls.
I am in the same boat. Don't want anything too lifted, but to give the truck a beefy look. Also leaning towards a tuff country with 33's, but afraid the tires will look too small.
_nar_ 02-04-2008, 11:54 PM You need aftermarket wheels to run anything bigger than a 245.
kornfed383 02-05-2008, 04:09 PM IIRC, you can run the stock wheels on TC 4" lift. Call your local Les Schwab. They can tell you for sure.
White Lightening 02-05-2008, 06:21 PM You'll be fine with a 4" kit from Tuff Country. If I was you I'd get the "Strong Kit" which is the 3-piece sub frame. I have a 6" system from tuff country and use my truck everyday towing fifth-wheel and bumper pull trailers in the construction field. As for wheels and tire's, I'm pretty sure you can run a stock wheel if that's the route you looking at going. Now for the tire's, my suggestion would be to stick with a 33" tire, but I know guy's on here are running 35" with the proper wheel width and offset and cranking the torsion bars.
Joephat65 02-05-2008, 08:06 PM 33 inch tire with the stock wheel is the max.
8100 Power 02-05-2008, 08:24 PM How would stock wheels and tire look on a 4" TC? Curious as if they would look to small?
How would stock wheels and tire look on a 4" TC? Curious as if they would look to small?
I jacked up my front end to to the point that the front wheels just started to come off the ground and for me that is about what a 4" lift would look like. About 43 -43.5" from ground to fender. 285/75/16's on stock wheels is borderline too small. Maybe there is a way decrease the torsion bar adjustments so it would only be a 3 or 3.5" lift. That would look much better. Just a thought, not sure if it would work.
ringostar 02-05-2008, 09:23 PM 33 inch tire with the stock wheel is the max.
Is there not a width limit? I would figure the width would be more important than the height of the tire, am I wrong?
Rankin
ringostar 02-05-2008, 09:26 PM How would stock wheels and tire look on a 4" TC? Curious as if they would look to small?
MPO on my truck was that the 305s on 16x8s looked to small, so I went to 35s. It's your truck and you may not think that setup looks too small. Get a jack and mess around with it and see what you think.
Rankin
_nar_ 02-05-2008, 10:23 PM Is there not a width limit? I would figure the width would be more important than the height of the tire, am I wrong?
RankinYes that's what I was saying in the second post. A 245 tire will work on the stock wheel but anything wider than that will rub the a-arm. 285s will rub, bad. Wear a big groove in the sidewall bad. A wheel with 4.5 backspacing is required for wider tires. 285s will fit on the stock wheel if you want to run a wheel spacer but most guys prefer to not run spacers on the front. You can get a cheap set of 16x8s for $400, that would be the simplest way to go.
White Lightening 02-06-2008, 10:47 PM My buddy runs a set of 295 with a 17" wheel on his 2500, its not an HD and he has a 4" TC lift and it looks proportional to me, but thats just my IMO!
billdow 02-06-2008, 11:46 PM I'm running the 4" TC Strong with OEM wheels wrapped with 285's from Dick Cepek Fun Country II's. I'm running a 1/4" spacer.
No rubbing .... Very happy.
Bill
JakeLeg 02-06-2008, 11:55 PM I'm running the 4" TC Strong with OEM wheels wrapped with 285's from Dick Cepek Fun Country II's. I'm running a 1/4" spacer.
No rubbing .... Very happy.
Bill
Any Pics of your setup, sounds like what I'm looking for.THanks guys
8100 Power 02-06-2008, 11:55 PM I'm running the 4" TC Strong with OEM wheels wrapped with 285's from Dick Cepek Fun Country II's. I'm running a 1/4" spacer.
No rubbing .... Very happy.
Bill
X2...
We need pictures!!
JakeLeg 02-07-2008, 12:23 AM Just found the 4" TC lift for 1100 something or 1325 with shocks, says for 2500 HD. But it says one piece subframe. Is that the heavy duty.Some one said get the 3 piece but this paticular place didn't list a 3 piece.Want to make sure I'm getting the tough one. Also if I order airbags will they work with this lift. If theres a better deal out there let me know. Thanks
tophog 02-07-2008, 12:31 AM I had the Rancho 4" on my 2003 HD and ran OEM PYO's with 285's and 295's with no rubbing problems, although the clearance between the inner bulge of the tire and the A-arm was very close. Most all spindle lift's say they require a wheel with no more then 4.5" of backspacing. Both Rancho and Tuff Country document this in their literature. The reason I tried wheels with 5" backspacing is that I wanted the tires/wheels inboard as much as possible as I don't personally like the "bulldog" look.
I currently have the 6" TC lift and also running wheels with 5" backspacing with no rub problems, however the clearance inside is tight however the tires still do not rub.
You can see picts of my 2003 with 285's and PYO's in the link below.
Linky (http://home.comcast.net/~tophog/site/?/photos/)
copter 02-07-2008, 12:33 AM Have you looked at the Cognito leveling kit?
JakeLeg 02-07-2008, 12:42 AM Have you looked at the Cognito leveling kit?
No I haven't, do they make a 4 "? Just need the best bang for the buck and one that will take work everyday. I'll check them out. Thanks for all the replies guys keep them coming.
copter 02-07-2008, 12:45 AM If you're dead set on the 4" take a look at my garage and http://www.norcaltruck.com/cognito-4-6.html (site might be down for maint but check back)
ringostar 02-07-2008, 01:27 AM I had the Rancho 4" on my 2003 HD and ran OEM PYO's with 285's and 295's with no rubbing problems, although the clearance between the inner bulge of the tire and the A-arm was very close. Most all spindle lift's say they require a wheel with no more then 4.5" of backspacing. Both Rancho and Tuff Country document this in their literature. The reason I tried wheels with 5" backspacing is that I wanted the tires/wheels inboard as much as possible as I don't personally like the "bulldog" look.
I currently have the 6" TC lift and also running wheels with 5" backspacing with no rub problems, however the clearance inside is tight however the tires still do not rub.
You can see picts of my 2003 with 285's and PYO's in the link below.
Linky (http://home.comcast.net/~tophog/site/?/photos/)
I have a Rancho and have tried running the stock wheels with 315s and 285s and the tire was pressed up against the A-arm, so they couldn't even turn.
I'm not sure if Rancho changed the casting on their speindles a bit or people are running spacers, or what but I have seen plenty of people running stock wheels and larger than stock tires with this kit but I was not able to run them. Anyway not sure what the difference would be between trucks, but that was my findings on the stock wheel setup for me.
tophog 02-07-2008, 01:43 AM No spacers here. Ran both 285 and BF 295 KO's on the stock PYO's which are right at 4 7/8" backspacing. I can see where different tires may not work because of the amount of the bulge in the tire. I ran this setup for 2+ years on my truck. I also upgraded to an Ultra magnum wheel 16x8 with 5.0" backspacing and ran those for a year or so with BF 295's.
I have a Rancho and have tried running the stock wheels with 315s and 285s and the tire was pressed up against the A-arm, so they couldn't even turn.
I'm not sure if Rancho changed the casting on their speindles a bit or people are running spacers, or what but I have seen plenty of people running stock wheels and larger than stock tires with this kit but I was not able to run them. Anyway not sure what the difference would be between trucks, but that was my findings on the stock wheel setup for me.
Ben46a 02-07-2008, 05:11 AM Isnt Tony burkhard runnin a 4" TC with H2 wheels?
_nar_ 02-07-2008, 06:24 PM Yes, he's running spacers. He sells the lift and spacers.
billdow 02-07-2008, 08:21 PM Pic's are here.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=172487
Bill
_nar_ 02-07-2008, 10:04 PM Hmm interesting. That would be the 3 piece kit judging by the skidplate. I was told that the 4 inch kit had the same angle on the knuckle as the 6 inch kit and wouldn't work that way. On my brother's truck with the 6 inch TC the edge of the a-arm wore grooves into 285s bad, and barely fit them with 1/4 inch spacers. So the knuckles on the 4 inch must be angled different or something. Even the installation stuff I had downloaded for the older 1 piece kit said that it could only run the stock wheels with stock width tires.
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