I received my new oil pump today.:D It may have been discussed in another thread here on DP, but i have pictures so i thought a new thread was in order.

I got mine from here *Staff Edit, Link violation removed*

I have attached a couple pictures. These pictures don't do the part justice.

The finish is a very nice black anodize, came complete with thread lock, o-rings, nuts,, new pressure relief valve, washers and a LH thread shaft and nut. No gear, don't need it. It is a complete product. The fit was perfect, really...perfect.

The item i was most impressed with is the method used to change pressure for my application, take off the secondary pressure relief on the front cover and add a shim. How easy is that?

Curtis, Owner of DPR, was good enough to come down to our shop and go through the entire installation process with us and snap a few pictures for his forthcoming instructions.

This pump is not a "hopped up" stocker, it's a new design gyro (sp?) style pump that should deliver another 30% through your motor.

Anyway, sorry for the long post.... here ya go.

How much $$$?

The current asking price is $675. I think manufactured parts vendors may impact this price, it's early.

Contact Curtis from DPR.:)

oops sorry staff. I didn't know i couldn't post a link.

I got excited with the new oil pump....:)

You should be excited. It Looks great!!:)

You should be excited. It Looks great!!:)

totally pumped! haha.

The company name is Diesel Performance Research, ask for Curtis.

Thanks Rick for keeping me on the right track (names-no links). I'll let you know how it performs when i get MAC up and running.

I received mine yesterday:D. It is really a nice piece, inside and out. I might know a vendor here that may have these available in the future;).

Git'er done guys!! I'm gonna be putting a new motor together in a while. Sure would be nice to replace that old pump with a better one.

I think this oil pump is a great idea and design, should go in every motor build, just my oppinion:)

This pump is not a "hopped up" stocker, it's a new design gyro (sp?) style pump that should deliver another 30% through your motor.


couple of ??? I have
the dmax motors had trouble w/ fram (crap) filters and the oil flow stock, what happens to the good filters when we add 30% more flow and low temps?

I know a 'race' motor will have increased bearing tolerances but if added to a stock bottom end 'race' motor and cold temps like we have should you go to a dual or triple filter to share the flow.

w/ the high flow would increased piston cooling be a good way to use up some of the flow?

Looks like a great piece.. Way to go Curtis!

I also wonder how much PSI a stock filter can take? Don't filters have a pressure relief valve where the oil will bypass the filter?

Looks like a great piece.. Way to go Curtis!

I also wonder how much PSI a stock filter can take? Don't filters have a pressure relief valve where the oil will bypass the filter?

I believe they do, my guess would be in the oil cooler

Another part to add to the list:)

Good question for pressure. I hear of LB7's that have +/- 100 psi in the mornings, haven't heard of a filter rupture yet.

Not that this is a fair comparison but in the gasser days didn't we run 80-100 psi without filter issues? I don't need that much pressure in my diesel, but still. I am after the volume, isn't to tough to build in some pressure.

What's the guideline? 8-10 lbs for every 100 HP on a race motor?

Lots of pressure reliefs in the oil track. There are reliefs in the pump, filter, cooler and passenger side gallery. Key is to match the flow of the filter to the flow demand down stream. Checking the pressure drop across the filter will clue you in when the filter is too small. opening up the tolerances on the bearings will also increase the flow demand.

As far as cold is concerned, the flow demand down stream is reduced just as much as the flow reduction in the filter from the cold oil. That is, they equal out.

One's in mine too, woohoo!!

couple of ??? I have
the dmax motors had trouble w/ fram (crap) filters and the oil flow stock, what happens to the good filters when we add 30% more flow and low temps?

I know a 'race' motor will have increased bearing tolerances but if added to a stock bottom end 'race' motor and cold temps like we have should you go to a dual or triple filter to share the flow.

w/ the high flow would increased piston cooling be a good way to use up some of the flow?

I heard something about this. The stock piston guys... could they not use the volume and added pressure and simply create a "leak" at the squirters? Make the hole bigger?

Hmmm? idle above 30 psi...squirter always on, then open up the hole for more cooling? I'm sure somebody did this already:rolleyes:

OT- 05LLY2500HD, doesn't take long to get deep into 5 figures, and no tube chassis yet!

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I heard something about this. The stock piston guys... could they not use the volume and added pressure and simply create a "leak" at the squirters? Make the hole bigger?

Hmmm? idle above 30 psi...squirter always on, then open up the hole for more cooling? I'm sure somebody did this already:rolleyes:

OT- 05LLY2500HD, doesn't take long to get deep into 5 figures, and no tube chassis yet!

You got that right and I mean REAL quick! Honestly don't know how I've done it. It's like beer I guess, second nature. Gotta have it.:)
Seriously I've got half of what I paid for my truck IN IT. It's an addiction with my friends fueling it and the wifey tryin to send me to DA. (Diesel Anonymous):D

You got that right and I mean REAL quick! Honestly don't know how I've done it. It's like beer I guess, second nature. Gotta have it.:)
Seriously I've got half of what I paid for my truck IN IT. It's an addiction with my friends fueling it and the wifey tryin to send me to DA. (Diesel Anonymous):D
:grd: Thats funny right there!

You got that right and I mean REAL quick! Honestly don't know how I've done it. It's like beer I guess, second nature. Gotta have it.:)
Seriously I've got half of what I paid for my truck IN IT. It's an addiction with my friends fueling it and the wifey tryin to send me to DA. (Diesel Anonymous):D

Sounds familiar! My brother owns the MAC shop, i do most the labor in house, and i am at the same place cost wise. I took out a secondary insurance policy in case anything happens... pricey insurance. Bummer if somebody hit ya and totals it, insurance would only pay the stock value without the rider.:eek:

Watcha Plannin' with yours? Fun, strip or puller? Traction enhancers?:)

Sounds familiar! My brother owns the MAC shop, i do most the labor in house, and i am at the same place cost wise. I took out a secondary insurance policy in case anything happens... pricey insurance. Bummer if somebody hit ya and totals it, insurance would only pay the stock value without the rider.:eek:

Watcha Plannin' with yours? Fun, strip or puller? Traction enhancers?:) Mostly fun, some strip. It's my DD well was a year ago when it was running, lol. I'll take it to the track just to have my times on paper and for a grudge match. I enjoy the folks around any and every town that think thier sh** don't stink. Gotta do something to enhance the traction I guess. I still need a set of Cognito braces and maybe some trac bars. Def. gotta work on the setup. Just gotta get finished sewing up the holes in my pocket, and it's takin some mighty strong and thick thread to do so.

You?

Sounds familiar! My brother owns the MAC shop, i do most the labor in house, and i am at the same place cost wise. I took out a secondary insurance policy in case anything happens... pricey insurance. Bummer if somebody hit ya and totals it, insurance would only pay the stock value without the rider.:eek:

Watcha Plannin' with yours? Fun, strip or puller? Traction enhancers?:)
wanna share on the secondary insurance? what company? One I was with would only do like $5k over, which i guess is better than nothing.

Mostly fun, some strip. It's my DD well was a year ago when it was running, lol. I'll take it to the track just to have my times on paper and for a grudge match. I enjoy the folks around any and every town that think thier sh** don't stink. Gotta do something to enhance the traction I guess. I still need a set of Cognito braces and maybe some trac bars. Def. gotta work on the setup. Just gotta get finished sewing up the holes in my pocket, and it's takin some mighty strong and thick thread to do so.

You?

Started as a 7000 lb daily driver/hot rod:rolleyes: So much for that... Been down for 3 months, could be done in another 30 days.

Even doing 90% of the labor at MAC the cost is well in excess of 20k, i don't have enough thread to patch that hole....:).

Stronger motor needed a better trans, better trans means i can't hook it up, get a link and a big tire, hook it up can't stop it.... on and on and on.... It's evolved into a race truck with a license plate, we are enjoying it don't get me wrong.

After this phase, if i hold to my word and stop, I'll put a Dodge trans in it with a compound set and be done.

I may just be kidding myself...who knows.

I'm OT, if you wanna continue, or if i can be of any help let's PM before I/we get in trouble. Later

State Farm, insure it as a collectable or classic car, limited mileage etc.

Pick a value (agent may not buy that) or save all reciepts and have it appraised. Replacement value is key.

I think this oil pump is a great idea and design, should go in every motor build, just my oppinion:)

Along with a real gauge.


My oil psi goes up pretty damn high on a cold start below 0 degrees. Is this new pump going to blow my oil filter to pieces? What is the best oil to run with a pump like this?

Along with a real gauge.


My oil psi goes up pretty damn high on a cold start below 0 degrees. Is this new pump going to blow my oil filter to pieces? What is the best oil to run with a pump like this?

IMO, several variables to consider. Daily Driver? Race build with fat tolerances? local weather/ambient, method of cooling.

Curtis may be the one to ask as he has tested it. If it was me i would use the thinnest synthetic oil i could coupled with a good heat exchanger.

Along with a real gauge.


My oil psi goes up pretty damn high on a cold start below 0 degrees. Is this new pump going to blow my oil filter to pieces? What is the best oil to run with a pump like this?
real guage, yessir I agree with that one.

David is gonna set mine a tad high something like 45 at idle I believe. Setting it a little high due to the second turbo so far down the line. I believe this is the way he explained it. I'm curious about the filter and types of oil now too.

Bob, any suggestions on a REAL guage? I need to find one.

real guage 0-150psi mechanical guage...

there are numerous boss you could tap into on the pass side of the block on the main oil gallery driver side is kinda limited... to options... IMO put it in down stream/flow of the oil filter...


baldwins filter burst pressure is ~250-300psi iirc .. i posted the flow rate somewere while back as well... think its like 10-15gpm

real guage 0-150psi mechanical guage...any opinions on brand?

there are numerous boss you could tap into on the pass side of the block on the main oil gallery driver side is kinda limited... to options... IMO put it in down stream/flow of the oil filter... yeah I got to put in my KD pump thingy


baldwins filter burst pressure is ~250-300psi iirc .. i posted the flow rate somewere while back as well... think its like 10-15gpm are we talking the same pressure as 60psi or so that we see on our oil psi guage?

ok i see, autometer has em, C2 series 100 psi for $63. Now on where to mount it. Not crazy about it being on the inside.

ok i see, autometer has em, C2 series 100 psi for $63. Now on where to mount it. Not crazy about it being on the inside.
i have a 0-100psi oil guage on my truck when cold and drivin i would nail 100+psi... mind you that was with 2 shot bearings as welll

hence why i sujested the 150psi guage there are elerctric version if you wnat to shell out the $$

can the electric ones be relied on as far as accuracy is concerned compared to the mechanical?

can the electric ones be relied on as far as accuracy is concerned compared to the mechanical?
im sure a reputable guage manufactur it will be accurate

just wondering if any of you guys have actually got to USE the pump and what your thoughts were so far.

So, any new info for pump, I am building my engine now, and cant decide will I order this or not :confused:

So, any new info for pump, I am building my engine now, and cant decide will I order this or not :confused:
~600USD for a ~20,000USD engine :confused:

~600USD for a ~20,000USD engine :confused:

Question is not for money, more like using experiences and how does it work in people who has it.

There is so many different parts available today, that it would be good to get some user info how they work also.

It is not for money, more like any using experiences and how does it work in people who has it.
dont know of any one that has it in use yet:o:

dont know of any one that has it in use yet:o:

Maybe I have to take that and try. Then we have some info. :)

i think i heard a guy over on comp D talking about useing one... hmm going to look:)

found it http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showpost.php?p=270028&postcount=47

going ina dmax rail dragster

dont know of any one that has it in use yet:o:

There is one I know of that has been run. It gets the psi up...to the point you can blow the seal off the stock filter with cold oil. There are shims in it that control the oil psi, IIRC. For a daily driver in cold climates...it could cause an issue if the psi is not dialed in properly.

There is one I know of that has been run. It gets the psi up...to the point you can blow the seal off the stock filter with cold oil. There are shims in it that control the oil psi, IIRC. For a daily driver in cold climates...it could cause an issue if the psi is not dialed in properly.
You know I've been wondering if this move was the right one. I've been considering not using this aftermarket pump and using a stocker until results are told.

Picked my Truck up Tuesday down in SoCal and it runs great with that new oil pump. Pressure is good normal at idle seem's only to go high if your really punching it and no problems yet. New motor has about 700 miles on it. I will deffinateley keep people posted on how it continues to work or if I have to make changes.

I have one on my engine but it hasn't been started yet.

just wondering if any of you guys have actually got to USE the pump and what your thoughts were so far.

There is one I know of that has been run. It gets the psi up...to the point you can blow the seal off the stock filter with cold oil. There are shims in it that control the oil psi, IIRC. For a daily driver in cold climates...it could cause an issue if the psi is not dialed in properly.

That would be a good trick since there are additional pressure reliefs in the Filter adapter. Not saying it can't happen, but the volume would have to be huge.

That would be a good trick since there are additional pressure reliefs in the Filter adapter. Not saying it can't happen, but the volume would have to be huge.


X2 :D.

I hopefully have one on the way too.;)

I will be running one on my engine.

I will be running one on my engine.

Me too.
I open my under 5000 km driven engine last weekend and notice bearings will need more and better oil. One main and 3 rod bearings were in the end of their life. So new oil pump is in order now, what else is available to get lower end stronger?

Me too.
I open my under 5000 km driven engine last weekend and notice bearings will need more and better oil. One main and 3 rod bearings were in the end of their life. So new oil pump is in order now, what else is available to get lower end stronger? When my motor was apart David said my main and rod bearings were about to completeley fail. For the price of $675 and the fact the motors already apart hard to say no. You will soon see how good the pressure is at WOT.

Seems like this is more for a built up motor. What about a stock LLY with the edge. Because didn’t the LLY’s have lower oil pressure anyway? Or is this too hard to put in without taking a bunch of stuff apart?

Seems like this is more for a built up motor. What about a stock LLY with the edge. Because didn’t the LLY’s have lower oil pressure anyway? Or is this too hard to put in without taking a bunch of stuff apart?

Yea, it's tough to get to.

See the balancer on the front of the motor? It's behind that front motor cover and IIRC partially behind the lower oil pan. Mite as well pull the motor to R and R it.

Thank you, I guess I won't be changing it anytime soon then.

Just to let yall know I blew the rubber seal off a Wicks oil filter this morning. It was 40 degrees all yesterday 32 at night and about 38-40 degrees this morning. Oil pressure shot up to 100psi like normal, but then down to about 40psi real quick a alarm bell came saying low engine oil and then gargleing. When I looked down there was already about 4 quarts on the ground:(. I think a block heater is in my future. Also going to try the GM filters supposedly there better.

What psi is the oil pump set too?

Wow, sounds impressive when you can blow one apart when its only 30 or so degrees out.

Bentley

i was hitting 150psi wiht a spun bearing when cold and a stock engine

What psi is the oil pump set too?David said it could be the filter because I had a wicks filter not the GM(AC Delco)filter they tested up to 120psi. Bottom line if you live in a colder area and are going to run this pump get a block heater. When the truck is warm at idle about 70psi. When you peddle it half way you see about 100-120psi. The pump is responsive to how your driving. David@BMS said he was constanly seeing bearing's wear out on motors he tore down. He also commented that it generally looked like there's a lack in lubrication in certain parts of the motor. The pumps is designed for extreme output motors. Think about how much faster everything in the motor is moving at 800+RwHp compared to stock? So WOT at high output the pump delivers even more pressure. I dont want to mislead anybody on a max psi # so I will find out tommorow and let you know.

Wow, sounds impressive when you can blow one apart when its only 30 or so degrees out.

BentleyDavid@BMS is located in Southern California where it is always 70 degrees out. If this is where they test these then the 40 degree difference should result in a way different opperating result.

I'm not worried about it or anything like that, just curious as to where the pump was set at. The highest volume, lowest or somewhere in the middle?

I'm not worried about it or anything like that, just curious as to where the pump was set at. The highest volume, lowest or somewhere in the middle?Not sure I will get back to you on that. I do know the pump is tuned by using a shim.

Anyone with contact and pricing info for this pump?

Curtis is not yet a vendor here so contact info is not allowed to be posted. I'm hoping he'll get on board very soon though.:) I'm also sure that someone will send you the info.;)

Anyone with contact and pricing info for this pump?The pump is $675. PM me if you want a #.

Is there a way to open up the squirters? More volume without blowing a filter up.

Got pump today. Nice piece, but I have to sand front cover little so that it fit. Not big job.
What settings have you used with pressure valve?

i'm using the default settings which is about 50psi warm idle, 70psi crusing down highway. I haven't tried and WOT runs yet

From what Curtis told me when we put mine in, they modified the valve to take care of the oil filter problem.

Anyone with contact and pricing info for this pump?

I have them in stock. $675