Where is everyone mounting there pumps. Directions say that you need to mount the pump below the tank. There is not alot of room anywhere on the frame rail on the passenger side. And there is not enough line to mount on the driver side and then run to the passnger side of the engine.

I also dont like that the lines are run next to the exhaust from the bed to the engnie. Anyone have problems with heat melting the lines?

Anyone have any pics of where they mounted the pumps? I am routing mine from the bed to the engine so any help is welcome.

Thanks
Travis

Noboady has mounted theirs on the frame rail?

I'll be mounting one pretty soon so I'll let you know where I put it. I've done several in the past on other vehicles. You can buy additional line at many hardware stores and for sure at McMaster Carr. Unless it's laying on or super close to the exhaust I don't think it'll melt, pretty tough stuff.

Jody

I mounted mine on the drivers side in front of the front wheel under the bumper.

I have mine in the bed now and i dont like. Snow says it needs to be lower than the tank so i am just trying to find a better spot.


Where does everyone mount the variable controller. i have mine just laying in the engine bay next near the battery. theres got to be a better spot.

I'll be mounting one pretty soon so I'll let you know where I put it. I've done several in the past on other vehicles. You can buy additional line at many hardware stores and for sure at McMaster Carr. Unless it's laying on or super close to the exhaust I don't think it'll melt, pretty tough stuff.

Jody

You put these on several vehicles in the past you say? Were they your own trucks or for other people? Im justt looking for someone who has used water Meth for years because Im wondering what the long term effects of using it are? Any problems in the past? You read so many post I dont know who to believe? Some people say its bad for head gaskets and some people love it and never had a problem with it. I have the LMM also and I cant decide what to do?

You put these on several vehicles in the past you say? Were they your own trucks or for other people? Im justt looking for someone who has used water Meth for years because Im wondering what the long term effects of using it are? Any problems in the past? You read so many post I dont know who to believe? Some people say its bad for head gaskets and some people love it and never had a problem with it. I have the LMM also and I cant decide what to do?

I've had and/or installed 6-7 water injection systems, three now from Snow Performance. None have failed, they've all allowed more timing and boost on pump gas, significant ly. These were all gas installs, so this is my first time running it on a diesel.

I did my Snow Stage II install today. Used the stock windshield cleaner reservoir as it's 1.5 gallons, can handle water and/or alky, and has a low level monitor built in on your dash. I drilled the 9/16" hole and used the bulkhead fitting with a rubber washer and steel washer on the outside to seal the fitting. It's right below the level warning sender, and there's a section of hose inside that goes down to 1/2" above the very bottom of the reservoir, so even when the light goes on you still are pumping water until you're basically out.

http://www.camcojb.com/silverado%20041.jpg

I mounted the pump behind the bumper and inner fenderwell.

http://www.camcojb.com/silverado%20043.jpg

Put the controller inside the engine compartment; they say it's fine there with underhood heat, and once set I'll hardly ever (if ever) change the settings.

http://www.camcojb.com/silverado%20044.jpg

I used (2) 625cc nozzles mounted at the inlet of the intake manifold, 90 degrees to each other and to the airflow.

http://www.camcojb.com/silverado%20045.jpg

EGT's dropped 250 degrees at wot. Have not datalogged yet to see if there is a performance advantage but the egt temp drop was worth it if that's all I get out of it.

Jody

Wow - Impressive. I feel like Im going to be making a copycat of your truck or something! Very clean install like always.

camcojb - nice install photos. I like the one of the controller best as we designed and manufacture the VC-100. The electronics are epoxy encapsulated and rated for 105C, so no problems with under the hood install.

By the label I can tell you have one of the older pumps from snow. Note that it has Viaton internals that do not hold up to methanol over time. You might consider looking up Systems Accessories online. They sell a number of EPDM replacement parts for the Shurflo pump that would be more resistant to methanol.

camcojb - nice install photos. I like the one of the controller best as we designed and manufacture the VC-100. The electronics are epoxy encapsulated and rated for 105C, so no problems with under the hood install.

By the label I can tell you have one of the older pumps from snow. Note that it has Viaton internals that do not hold up to methanol over time. You might consider looking up Systems Accessories online. They sell a number of EPDM replacement parts for the Shurflo pump that would be more resistant to methanol.


Thanks for the info. Yes, it is an 06 kit but it was $200 off on Ebay, so it still was a good deal. I have no plans for running methanol in this truck, just straight distilled water. If I change I'll definitely look up the replacement parts.

Thanks for the info. Yes, it is an 06 kit but it was $200 off on Ebay, so it still was a good deal. I have no plans for running methanol in this truck, just straight distilled water. If I change I'll definitely look up the replacement parts.


Im looking to benfit when on long highway trips and I only tow 6,000 or less when I do tow. Is water meth injection worth it for someone like me? My original thoughts were that if it helped burn about 95% (as claimed) of the fuel compared about 70-75% that it does stock that I would get slightly better mileage and a little less black smoke if it is burning a higher percentage of the injected fuel? I run my tuner on level 2 mostly. I also thought it would help the burn and egts on the few times I do screw around on level 5? Worth it or not?

By the way, I have been pricing meth kits and Alligator diesel seems to have the best prices I have found and shipping is free.

Im looking to benfit when on long highway trips and I only tow 6,000 or less when I do tow. Is water meth injection worth it for someone like me? My original thoughts were that if it helped burn about 95% (as claimed) of the fuel compared about 70-75% that it does stock that I would get slightly better mileage and a little less black smoke if it is burning a higher percentage of the injected fuel? I run my tuner on level 2 mostly. I also thought it would help the burn and egts on the few times I do screw around on level 5? Worth it or not?

By the way, I have been pricing meth kits and Alligator diesel seems to have the best prices I have found and shipping is free.

I'm going to experiment also after reading that new info about water/alky in diesels. All my experience has been with gas. I will use ethanol (denatured alcohol) as it's much less corrosive than methanol. I've had great results with that in past projects.

I do know my egts dropped 250 degrees immediately with water only, and that was the main benefit I was looking for. My tune produces virtually no smoke once rolling.

Jody

Where do you get the ethanol and what % of that would you burn? Im told only a 30% mix of the Meth which is = to the cheapest washer fluid you can buy. I thought the Meth was not corrosive in this application because it is being burnt and not left behind?

Where do you get the ethanol and what % of that would you burn? Im told only a 30% mix of the Meth which is = to the cheapest washer fluid you can buy. I thought the Meth was not corrosive in this application because it is being burnt and not left behind?


denatured alcohol (ethanol with stuff added to make it non ingestible) is available in nearly any hardware or paint store, so it's super easy to find. Less corrosive to items in the system, such as the pump, lines, seals, etc. Methanol isn't going to hurt the inside of the engine, it's just tougher on the parts that get it to the engine. Methanol is usually less expensive, just harder to find.

Jody

[quote=camcojb;2387015]denatured alcohol (ethanol with stuff added to make it non ingestible) is available in nearly any hardware or paint store, so it's super easy to find. Less corrosive to items in the system, such as the pump, lines, seals, etc. Methanol isn't going to hurt the inside of the engine, it's just tougher on the parts that get it to the engine. Methanol is usually less expensive, just harder to find.

Jody[/quot

I was reading that Snow kits warranty all there parts for life and brag about how they use only non corrosive material for these units? I read on Snows site under a old Sema artical that they were coming out a system call Max-MPG. But I could not find it on there web site? Wondering if its still coming out or the project has been trashed? Sema was over a month ago correct?

I was reading that Snow kits warranty all there parts for life and brag about how they use only non corrosive material for these units? I read on Snows site under a old Sema artical that they were coming out a system call Max-MPG. But I could not find it on there web site? Wondering if its still coming out or the project has been trashed? Sema was over a month ago correct?

haven't heard of it. I have been doing some datalogging with the kit, and have some interesting results so far. I'll start a new thread once I figure out the results.

Jody

Will be watching for it

haven't heard of it. I have been doing some datalogging with the kit, and have some interesting results so far. I'll start a new thread once I figure out the results.

Jody
Very nice install Jody. I think this will be the next step for me. I also think I'll copy your install. :D Does your controller monitor EGT or is boost the only thing it takes into account?
Also, I have the SD manifold where I located my boost sensor. It's post turbo prior to the intercooler. It has additional drilled ports I thought I could use for water/meth injection. I see where you put yours in and wonder if that's where I need to put mine (post intercooler) or if I can run them where the SD manifold is...
Thoughts?

Very nice install Jody. I think this will be the next step for me. I also think I'll copy your install. :D Does your controller monitor EGT or is boost the only thing it takes into account?
Also, I have the SD manifold where I located my boost sensor. It's post turbo prior to the intercooler. It has additional drilled ports I thought I could use for water/meth injection. I see where you put yours in and wonder if that's where I need to put mine (post intercooler) or if I can run them where the SD manifold is...
Thoughts?

There are controllers out there that reference egt's which may be a better way to go for a guy that tows like you. The boost one works perfect for me. I have it starting at 20 psi and full on at 32 psi.

They recommend putting the nozzles in the intake, and mine are right at the inlet to the intake. I have heard of guys doing them pre intercooler without issue, but I've never tried it.

Here's my test results:

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218094

Jody

Correct link ;)
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218094

Thanks for posting this Jody.