CalDirt
01-09-2005, 11:11 PM
I am looking for a clear/definitive source for metripack and GM connectors and part info because I'm totally confused after hours of research.
The first problem is simply what I am to refer to these things as - there seems to be no common terminology. To date I've heard the connectors on our GM trucks referred to as: GM, Delphi-Packard, AC Delco, Metripack. Is one generally considered the "primary" name?
Next is the challenge of getting the right part number to order. I've found a few sources but the part number info is ambiguous - there seems to be a Delco P/N (PTxxx), a GM P/N (15xxxxxx) and another part number which the Helm factory service manual references (12xxxxxx). The part numbers in there do not seem to coincide with anything on these sites. I'm wondering is there some kind of translation table between 12xxxxxx and 15xxxxxx numbers? It seems that the 15xxxxxx numbers are available but the equivalent 12xxxxxx numbers are not.
For example, on my 2004.5, I need the relay block (MBEC) connector C8, which is the SEO connector for powered accessories (page 8-1303 of the 2004 Helm factory manual). This is listed as P/N 12193930, "6-way F metri-pack 280 series (black)". This is a sampling of what I've found online:
Rock Auto: shows ACDELCO PT1071 / 15305931 as the part (I think, it's based on their description). A search for 12193930 shows nothing.
GM Parts Direct: shows 15305931, but not 12193930, which is what the Helm manual lists this part number as.
This D/P thread (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6618&highlight=Packard+Connectors)lists the part differently:
12193930 = 15306107 = PT1268
12193922 = 15306105 = PT1266
These are the sources I'm aware of - any other ideas that actually include the part numbers listed in the Helm manual? I'm thinking I'll have to go all the way down to the Stealer every time I need a part number if I can't figure this out. There must be a better way.
http://www.waytekwire.com/
www.powerandsignal.com (http://www.powerandsignal.com/) (min order 2,000!)
www.summitracing.com (http://www.summitracing.com/) (someone here said Summit had them but I can't find any of these connectors on their site or in their catalog so this is just provided as an fyi)
www.casperselectronics.com (http://www.casperselectronics.com/) (also a site someone referenced for connectors but I don't see any here)
http://www.metripack.com/ <OR>http://www.weatherpack.com/pages/900555/index.htm
http://www.electerm.com/packard.html
http://www.rockauto.com/ (overpriced)
http://www.gmpartsdirect.com (http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/) (good pricing, but pricey shipping)
Pioneer Electronics: can't find them anywhere but this guy has them listed in his parts list: http://users2.ev1.net/~jpendlum/Web%20Pages/REAR%20FOG%20LIGHT%20INSTALL.doc
http://forums.vmag.com/suvsuburban0103/messages/19583.html
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=838890&postcount=6
Also, just for anyone's reference who needs it, I've summarized my findings here. Hope it is useful to someone.
2000-2002 Parts List:
Female Electrical Terminals
# 12047767 - Metripack 150, 18-16 ga wire (Aux Switch)
# 12129373 - Metripack 150, 20-22 ga wire (Aux Switch)
# 12129424 - Metripack 250, 14-16 ga wire (MBEC)
# 12034046 - Metripack 250, 16-18 ga wire (MBEC)
# 12146447 - Micropack 100, 20-22 ga wire (Compass/temp rear mirror, radio, remote CD/Cassette) 6-Way MBEC Connectors
Must modify socket keying
# 12193929
# 12193930 - Position C4
# 12193922 - Position C9
2004 Parts List (pending corrections):
12193930 = 15306107 = PT1268
12193922 = 15306105 = PT1266
??? = 15306302 = PT1357 - 2 position metripack connector
??? = 88987978 = PT1623 - 2 position metripack connector
The first problem is simply what I am to refer to these things as - there seems to be no common terminology. To date I've heard the connectors on our GM trucks referred to as: GM, Delphi-Packard, AC Delco, Metripack. Is one generally considered the "primary" name?
Next is the challenge of getting the right part number to order. I've found a few sources but the part number info is ambiguous - there seems to be a Delco P/N (PTxxx), a GM P/N (15xxxxxx) and another part number which the Helm factory service manual references (12xxxxxx). The part numbers in there do not seem to coincide with anything on these sites. I'm wondering is there some kind of translation table between 12xxxxxx and 15xxxxxx numbers? It seems that the 15xxxxxx numbers are available but the equivalent 12xxxxxx numbers are not.
For example, on my 2004.5, I need the relay block (MBEC) connector C8, which is the SEO connector for powered accessories (page 8-1303 of the 2004 Helm factory manual). This is listed as P/N 12193930, "6-way F metri-pack 280 series (black)". This is a sampling of what I've found online:
Rock Auto: shows ACDELCO PT1071 / 15305931 as the part (I think, it's based on their description). A search for 12193930 shows nothing.
GM Parts Direct: shows 15305931, but not 12193930, which is what the Helm manual lists this part number as.
This D/P thread (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6618&highlight=Packard+Connectors)lists the part differently:
12193930 = 15306107 = PT1268
12193922 = 15306105 = PT1266
These are the sources I'm aware of - any other ideas that actually include the part numbers listed in the Helm manual? I'm thinking I'll have to go all the way down to the Stealer every time I need a part number if I can't figure this out. There must be a better way.
http://www.waytekwire.com/
www.powerandsignal.com (http://www.powerandsignal.com/) (min order 2,000!)
www.summitracing.com (http://www.summitracing.com/) (someone here said Summit had them but I can't find any of these connectors on their site or in their catalog so this is just provided as an fyi)
www.casperselectronics.com (http://www.casperselectronics.com/) (also a site someone referenced for connectors but I don't see any here)
http://www.metripack.com/ <OR>http://www.weatherpack.com/pages/900555/index.htm
http://www.electerm.com/packard.html
http://www.rockauto.com/ (overpriced)
http://www.gmpartsdirect.com (http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/) (good pricing, but pricey shipping)
Pioneer Electronics: can't find them anywhere but this guy has them listed in his parts list: http://users2.ev1.net/~jpendlum/Web%20Pages/REAR%20FOG%20LIGHT%20INSTALL.doc
http://forums.vmag.com/suvsuburban0103/messages/19583.html
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showpost.php?p=838890&postcount=6
Also, just for anyone's reference who needs it, I've summarized my findings here. Hope it is useful to someone.
2000-2002 Parts List:
Female Electrical Terminals
# 12047767 - Metripack 150, 18-16 ga wire (Aux Switch)
# 12129373 - Metripack 150, 20-22 ga wire (Aux Switch)
# 12129424 - Metripack 250, 14-16 ga wire (MBEC)
# 12034046 - Metripack 250, 16-18 ga wire (MBEC)
# 12146447 - Micropack 100, 20-22 ga wire (Compass/temp rear mirror, radio, remote CD/Cassette) 6-Way MBEC Connectors
Must modify socket keying
# 12193929
# 12193930 - Position C4
# 12193922 - Position C9
2004 Parts List (pending corrections):
12193930 = 15306107 = PT1268
12193922 = 15306105 = PT1266
??? = 15306302 = PT1357 - 2 position metripack connector
??? = 88987978 = PT1623 - 2 position metripack connector