What do you guys think? Hot OJ on top of Quad 215 and stacked with the Duramaximizer. Or Just get the TTS Extreme? I want flat out performance and drivability(sp). Thanks, Nick

Extreme!!!

The "I"s have it for the TTS Extreme. Alot quieter and AJUSTABLE on the fly. You can drive in the +80 or +120 and through it into Extreme if the situation calls for it.

Quads and 2001 Duramaxes don't play nice together. :eek:

Go Xtreme for the most power and the best drivability.

Could I get an ECM out of a wrecked Dmax and have the TTS loaded into it? If I could I'd like to keep my "stock" ECM. Also, will the TTS smoke more than the hot OJ? Thanks, Nick

For the Best Single Module.... Probably the Extreme.
Or the VanAaken 'stoopid' Box
Next would be a Hot Juice/Attitude Stack.

But since you have an 01..... go for the Extreme and be done with it. (What top speed limiter?.... )

Could I get an ECM out of a wrecked Dmax and have the TTS loaded into it? If I could I'd like to keep my "stock" ECM. Also, will the TTS smoke more than the hot OJ? Thanks, Nick
Yes to all! Keeping the "stock" ECM "stock" is a really good idea. Who knows what kind of "high" values are stored and retrieved at just the wrong time. Such as during a warranty claim for a water pump? :eek:

another vote for TTS.

Even though I think the Extreme is probably the way to go. (I'm leaning towards it right now) My setup would probably meet or beat what the Extreme can do number wise. Now saying that does'nt mean I would do it again, but when I put my truck together the Extreme was'nt as mainstream as it is now. I guess I'm saying there's more than one way to get big power. I 'm waiting for Tony's rebuttal now.:)

Even though I think the Extreme is probably the way to go. (I'm leaning towards it right now) My setup would probably meet or beat what the Extreme can do number wise. Now saying that does'nt mean I would do it again, but when I put my truck together the Extreme was'nt as mainstream as it is now. I guess I'm saying there's more than one way to get big power. I 'm waiting for Tony's rebuttal now.:)
How about Guy's rebuttal? :D

Your stack isn't clear by reading your sig. I'm sure it is very good. But remember stacking was/is just a way of making up for the fact that "one" program didn't optimise everything the Dmax has to offer. A stack is still subject to whatever the physical limits are of the engine, with regard to timing, pulse width, fuel delivery, turbo output etc.

With a stack you have two programs that were designed to run seperately, by stacking them together, we are most likely stepping over the line in one or more of the parameters mentioned above, actually causing a detriment to power production at some point in the rpm range we are trying to run. Perhaps it makes big HP but suffers on the torque or perhaps the opposite is true.

So what if you had "one" program that took each individual parameter to the limit and was developed tested and proven over a considerable period of time on many different trucks (2001-2004.5 LB7) all while trying to optimise 3 things, HP, Torque, and drivability, while still remaining within the "safe limits" of the engine.

Certainly at that point you would have something Xtreme!
:D

Actually I ended up with stack because I wanted to get rid of the rev limiter and the other things the power pup could do. I got the 155 just because I could, it does'nt add usable power at that setting, the big VA set on stoopid did that all by itself. The VA set on 150 stacked with the power pup at 80 runs real good too. Add a little propane and water/meth and hold on. I know the liquids don't count on this thread but what the hell. I drive daily with just the power pup on 80 and propane, unless I really gotta go then no stack, just VA on kill with water/meth. As I said before I'll probably end up going Extreme, but just wanted to give another point of view. I'm going to try to make the RI dyno day so I can see it on paper for myself. Jim's rebuttal:)

Jim's rebuttal:)Sounds like a good one to me. :D

I only know what my truck sounds like and runs like compared to the stacks I have tried........no sense re-hashing the entire thread.......ET and mph were better as well.

Some of us came to the realization as Trippin said that a single program optimized in all areas is the way to go. :ro)

RI should be interesting........:D ....

I am waiting on a special favor.........don't know if the details of it can be worked out because as always someone else spoils it for everyone..........:mad:

I will see how it goes..........only time will tell.

I have asked..........I await an answer,

T:cool: NY

One more vote for the Extreme. Dont forget to mention all the timing rattle that comes along with the stacks! Very annoying to me but thats JMHO.

Ry

There has to be something wrong with my truck, I don't even get timing rattle:p I must have got a lemon.):h

I just have to say in all seriousness, if I was going to start again I would go with the Extreme. I would start there but definatly not stop. I just can't help it I'm hooked!:D

I am waiting on a special favor.........don't know if the details of it can be worked out because as always someone else spoils it for everyone..........:mad:

T:cool: NY
I hope there is a chance that I am that special someone....):h

Trippin summed it up best when he stated:
"So what if you had "one" program that took each individual parameter to the limit and was developed tested and proven over a considerable period of time on many different trucks (2001-2004.5 LB7) all while trying to optimise 3 things, HP, Torque, and drivability, while still remaining within the "safe limits" of the engine.

Certainly at that point you would have something Xtreme!":eek: :) :D :cool: :rolleyes: ;)

I can hardly wait for the PLIII, please hurry Steve!

Todd.

PLIII?? Is this thing more extreme than the Extreme program offered now? I can only do this once.

from what i understand, the PLIII will not give you a better extreme- its just the delivery tool for installing it, etc. the tunes are what they are.

I'd vote to go with the Extreme. Heck I spent a lot of money on other tuners, only to pony up for the Extreme after getting humbled by a quiet running TTS-equipped dually.

If you've got a lot of warranty left, the extra ECM route is best. I personally didn't get an extra, and after 2 injector replacement visits and a couple of other dealer service visits, I've never had a question asked about it. I just put it on the 80hp setting a drive in. Last time in the tech said it sure ran well, and I said its' amazing what an intake and exhaust will do to open up them Duramaxes.

SO IF MONEY NOR TIME ISNT AN OBJECT WHERE SHOULD A GUY BUY???? :confused:

duramaxdiesel, check you PM's

duramaxdiesel, check you PM'smtomac,

If you know something about the differences of the PLIII Extreme and getting the traditional ECM Extreme, please share it with me.:ro)

mtomac,

If you know something about the differences of the PLIII Extreme and getting the traditional ECM Extreme, please share it with me.:ro)
The differences as I understand them are that the PL3 will allow you to upload and download the Xtreme program from your ECM. It will also have some scan tool functions.

Trippen, as in no longer having to have a spare stock ECM. Dealer trip now would just need to load to stock program back in? If so, that is what I have been waiting to hear!

Is the PL3 available now? If not, anyone know when?

If I had it to do all over again I'd of held of until I got the tranny done, then got an extreme. Once my wallet recovers, the Juice is gone in favor of an80-120-X, that and some giggle gas...

Ox

Tranny's make a difference for sure,

:D

Trippen, as in no longer having to have a spare stock ECM. Dealer trip now would just need to load to stock program back in? If so, that is what I have been waiting to hear!
Correct, no spare ECM needed.

No word on release date. I do know it is getting harder and harder to get a hold of Steve :( as it appears he has sequestered himself in order to complete this product.

Alright I'm convinced. I guess I'll make the call and get on the list. Why do paperweights have so many wires sticking out of them?:D

it has been close to two months, nothing yet, i wonder how long before it is not worth it

What have you been waiting for Fred? an Extreme or PLIII?

):hgosh who mopped up all the blood that was spilt everywhere.............damn guess I missed it):h

I have been trying to get caught up from the holidays but I see more people here saying they have units on order than I have orders for. If you have not filled out the required waiver for the Xtreme program your order will be sitting aside until you do! With that said those of you who are not sure about the paperwork should check with the office to make sure you've done it!

Us lly guys are waiting too.....no rush...just a friendly reminder!!! (I am being sarcastic here...not trying to be a smart alex) But when the next phase of the lly program comes out I am getting one....do I need to get myself on a list? Do you need anymore beta testers? I will gladly be a guinea pig...and a good one at that!

DAVER, DONT YOU KNOW THAT ANYTHING THAT IS BLEEDING THAT BAD AND STILL LIVING YOU LEAVE IT ALONE FOR ATLEAST A WEEK!!!! ):h

DAVER, DONT YOU KNOW THAT ANYTHING THAT IS BLEEDING THAT BAD AND STILL LIVING YOU LEAVE IT ALONE FOR ATLEAST A WEEK!!!! ):h
That's the best one I've heard in a long time. ):h ):h ):h

or wear a red badge of courage

GOT REDWINGS??? ):h -:t

GOT REDWINGS??? ):h -:tThat's -:t -:t -:t

Peanut Butter and .............:eek:

Stealth plays just fine on my 01, rpms, speed limiter and all works just fine, and stacks perfect with HJAT on 5x5. I got it all cheaper than an extreme and can put it back to stock in minutes and let someone else try it or sell it if need be.

Stealth plays just fine on my 01, rpms, speed limiter and all works just fine, and stacks perfect with HJAT on 5x5. I got it all cheaper than an extreme and can put it back to stock in minutes and let someone else try it or sell it if need be.
Sounds like a good combo.
Is that one of those 01's that thinks it is someone else? :D If so, I can switch mine back to stock just as fast.

Did they fix the drivabilty of the 215? I hated it when I forgot to unload that baby at the end of a night at the drags. ):h

Shift the Stealth on the fly?

Calculate the cost of the "Stack". My Stealth cost me $1,000 new. What does an HJAT go for these days new? And the total is...........I bet it is more than a current Xtreme($1295.00) . Throw in a spare ECM($300-400). I still think it's more.

I'm not bashing, I ran that stack and it works well at WOT and in competition. I just hated to drive it. Not so with the Xtreme.

But I have to question your "cheaper" statement.

True, you can not let your buddy run your Xtreme. :( Except of course in "your" truck.

Cheaper? I don't think so, and I have the receipts to prove it.:( :)

Juice w/AT $595

buy the Stealth & Juice used and you get alot of hp/tq for the $

What will be interesting, is when the new turbosystems are out
The Extreme smokes less than the Big Stacks do from my observations.
If the new turbos can convert the smoke into more power would that not put the stacks back on top? ASSuming of course that the timing and excess smoke is taken full advantage of.
I am quite certain that the Extreme can be made to add more fuel and more timing as well so the question might well be moot.

Just some random thoughts, Steve, what do you think? John Kennedy? Anyone?... Anyone?... Bueller?..... Bueller?

Smoke is not power it's just unburned fuel. So by increaseing the air you could possible burn some of the extra fuel. Problem is the fuel system is all done with the Xtreme when you are above 2500 RPM. Since bigger turbo's tend to reduce boost at lower RPM's where we already have enough fuel and increase boost at higher RPM's where were out of fuel I donot think there will be much gain until the fuel systems are resolved. Now each engine is different so if you look at just one truck you might see some gains. Now with the proper fuel system and turbo life gets interesting. Juice it's time for some head studs, better get ready!

Steve, does ARP make studs for our application yet?

Second question would be in regards to the headgasket. We do have more clamping ability on our heads with more fasteners compared to an I-6, but in the end what about extreme boost? 60-100 lbs? How can we fire ring or C ring an engine that has an aluminum head and an iron block without corrosion problems with the 2 metals? or an electrolytic corrosion problem developing?
Even if we could copper gasket what about clearances? Etc?

When we get outfitted 50 lbs should be safe with stock fasteners... but for long term? or sledpulling?

I know too many questions just trying to get a handle on the next step in power.

( Advance apologies for all these questions.... Just trying to get a handle on what to do next.... I am an idiot when it comes to some of this stuff, and i really don't want to blow a whole motor up on a 'learning curve ')

1. studs can be had, you just need to know the right people
2. There are fire rings already made for an al. head/ iron block configuration already.
3. fuel system being currently worked on
4. Bigger turbo kits on the way



Start saving your money those Kanada dollars are alittle short Vs the US ones.

Start saving your money those Kanada dollars are alittle short Vs the US ones.
Are Beaver Pelts still an Acceptable form of Payment?):h
Pemmican?
Whale Blubber?
Igloo Building Plans?
Crown Royal?
Coffee Crisp?
HP Sauce?
Marmite?
Vegemite?
Touques?

LOL... gotta check all avenues:D

Definately beaver. Oh wait you said beaver pelts, sorry your out of luck!):h

Definately beaver. Oh wait you said beaver pelts, sorry your out of luck!):h
Beaver's without pelts????:eek:

Beaver's without pelts????:eek:
Either that or get pelted by Beavers):h :D

Beaver's without pelts????:eek:

Ahh, yes. I have spent many hours pursing and watching the elusive furless beaver. Fairly rare but so satisfying when you bag one. ):h

Crikey, whaat a beauty! She looks a mite cranky right now, danger, danger, danger!

I have seen a lot of peltless beavers. You just need to know what bars to go to.):h

Ahh, yes. I have spent many hours pursing and watching the elusive furless beaver. Fairly rare but so satisfying when you bag one. ):h


Makes them look almost brand new. ):h

I paid $550 for my 215 Stealth, $320 for Hot Juice, $250 For brand new Attitude, and the buy of the day was the newer brain for my truck @ $95 shipped. Grand total of $1215- beaver not included!

Ahh, yes. I have spent many hours pursing and watching the elusive furless beaver. Fairly rare but so satisfying when you bag one. ):h

Crikey, whaat a beauty! She looks a mite cranky right now, danger, danger, danger!
Brandon... look out!

That Big Fat Sheila over there's looking this way!:eek: ):h

Beaver's without pelts????:eek: Sometimes you just want something that's gonna go down nice and smooth.:eek: :D

I have seen a lot of peltless beavers. You just need to know what bars to go to.):h
All right

From Extensive reading of Mike's Posts, and some others from California..... I know who I'm calling up for the Pub Tours!:ro)

Makes them look almost brand new. ):h2 THINGS YOU WILL NEVER FIND...1 ..SPARE PARTS,2...ONE ON THE JUNK PILE,):h

I paid $550 for my 215 Stealth, $320 for Hot Juice, $250 For brand new Attitude, and the buy of the day was the newer brain for my truck @ $95 shipped. Grand total of $1215- beaver not included!
Great prices on all! But not representative of what every body will pay.
If you have a source on ECMs that can be used in DMax trucks for $95.00, I'd like to order 10 please. :ro)

Great prices on all! But not representative of what every body will pay.
If you have a source on ECMs that can be used in DMax trucks for $95.00, I'd like to order 10 please. :ro)
I'll take 5 as well...........lemme know where to send the check..........

T:cool: NY

Speaking Of Beaver Pelts, Do Any Of You Guys Know What A "mucket" Is??? :)

Ok, I give up whats a "Mucket"? :confused:

MY MY I CANNT BELIVE THAT NOONE KNOWS WHAT A "MUCKET" IS!!!!

A MUCKET IS A WIG FOR A BALD PU$$Y :ro) ):h ):h ):h

A mucket is someone with a hair lip trying to say bucket.

I thought it was shaved on the outside and Loooongg down the middle?

I paid $550 for my 215 Stealth, $320 for Hot Juice, $250 For brand new Attitude, and the buy of the day was the newer brain for my truck @ $95 shipped. Grand total of $1215- beaver not included!
I would like to raise the BS flag on the 95.00 brain. I will take 10 units as well, but I don't think any of us will see them. I think we should remind white duramax on a regular basis so he doesn't forget to get them.):h

Wow when I said programmers and boxes I meant something like the juice. Can I stack a pu$$y and a mucket together?

I would like to raise the BS flag on the 95.00 brain. I will take 10 units as well, but I don't think any of us will see them. I think we should remind white duramax on a regular basis so he doesn't forget to get them.):hIs this the flag your looking for Mike?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/images/smilies/icon_bs.gif (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=1#)

1. studs can be had, you just need to know the right people
2. There are fire rings already made for an al. head/ iron block configuration already.
3. fuel system being currently worked on
4. Bigger turbo kits on the way





So you wouldn't know who to talk to in regards to all of the above would ya ;) How about any info on these studs , or turbo.......................:D

Well we found out that ECM's really are not that cheap and Beavers are more popular....:eek: ......all we need now is to find some $95.00 beavers ( pelt less ) and everyone will be happy.......):h

T:cool: NY

Dang... this thread got royally side-tracked... too funny

Well we found out that ECM's really are not that cheap and Beavers are more popular....:eek: ......all we need now is to find some $95.00 beavers ( pelt less ) and everyone will be happy.......):h

T:cool: NY
):h ):h

Dang... this thread got royally side-tracked... too funny
I hate it when that happens.):h

I guess we could always hire a beaver trapper that works in a junk yard on the weekends.:eek:

All you need is a Beaver ECM or BCM.

Beaver Control Module?

Now THAT would sell like hotcakes!

My dog's shock collar works wonders, get 'er drunk, strap it on and watch the sparks fly and hair raise! WhoooWEE!

Yeah, the BCM is green and white on one side, black and white on the other and has little red and blue silk threads all in it. If your 'module' is deep enough...... you'll have controle.



Note: It generally works best without a ring. ;)


Burner-------------------> :D

Yeah, the BCM is green and white on one side, black and white on the other and has little red and blue silk threads all in it. If your 'module' is deep enough...... you'll have controle.



Note: It generally works best without a ring. ;)


Burner-------------------> :D


;)

You can call BS all you want, thats what I paid for it. I have the receipt right here 85$ plus $10 shipping=$95. I got it out of a junkyard. I was searching an online parts search for junkyards and found it one day. They only had 1 dmax ecm and I have it.

You can call BS all you want, thats what I paid for it. I have the receipt right here 85$ plus $10 shipping=$95. I got it out of a junkyard. I was searching an online parts search for junkyards and found it one day. They only had 1 dmax ecm and I have it.
I'm still trying to understand your logic.

You got a great deal on a bunch of stuff and you want to compare that to buying the Xtreme new. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Or pelt and peltless. There is no comparison. :eek:

Ah, the peltless BCM, often seen, never caught. Sort of like an anti Big Foot. I wonder how those two would look stacked!:eek: What would wally think of the beav now?):h

We all said in the beginning we would be happy with ( you fill in the blanks ) HP/TQ or if I could just run a 14.0 in the 1/4 I would be happy...........:rolleyes:

Step away from the diesel fuel and put the exhaut pipe down.........):h .........we are all kidding ourselves..............at least most of us here........we all are always searching for that little more............:cool:

So that being said, yes you can get deals all day long on on Tuners,Boxes, and maybe sometimes ECM's etc........from time to time vendors like Kennedy will run a special.

But sit there and add up the value of the stuff you have and what is it really worth.....:confused: ......and how much swapping and loading and switching do you really have to do........I was there and did all that........including a pressure box that I stacked as well.........It looked like I had spaghetti under my hood.......constantly adjusting this and that........:rolleyes:

So you guys can argue and I'll sit here and watch..........eventually you will get the idea that the info is free to anyone, Trippin has dyno'd everything from everybody, Edge, Quad,VA, Banks, you name it he tried it.......160+++ pulls on a load cell.

I also know that a lot of the guys that are making the BIG HP/TQ Numbers are using a single ECM program, not the different stacks.........:eek:

I just wanted to offer a point of view , I am not telling anyone they didn't get a deal or that they are not going to be competitive............

the thread is titled:
Stack these three or just go with this one ???

I made my choice...........you guys can make your own choice too.

So, on another note............

Who has the skinny on those peltless beavers..........can you try it before ya buy it..........):h ):h ):h

Why yes you can try it before you buy it, and it comes with a honey back guarantee.:D This does NOT include the skinny peltless beaver, just our standard stock PB.):h

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SNEAK UP ON IT AND MAYBE IT WONT NOTICE THAT YOURE SHAVING IT? BETTER YET I SUPPOSE YOU COULD SLIP SOME CHEMO-THERAPY IN THE TEQUILLA EH?. ANYONE EVER SEEN A GREY PELT):h THAT WOULD BE REASON ENOUGH FOR ME TO WANNA SHAVE IT;) JUST SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE NUT "HUT" THIS MONDAY EVENING):h

NOW THAT THIS THREAD IS TOTALLY HIGH-JACKED!!!!!! ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO TOTALLY SHAVE A BEAVER???? KNOCK IT OUT WITH TEQUILLA?
SNEAK UP ON IT AND MAYBE IT WONT NOTICE THAT YOURE SHAVING IT? BETTER YET I SUPPOSE YOU COULD SLIP SOME CHEMO-THERAPY IN THE TEQUILLA EH?. ANYONE EVER SEEN A GREY PELT):h THAT WOULD BE REASON ENOUGH FOR ME TO WANNA SHAVE IT;) JUST SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE NUT "HUT" THIS MONDAY EVENING):h
Wax on......Wax off.....Daniel Son!

(Karate Kid Quote) ):h

True, But Its Hard To Keep The Beaver From Sinking Those Big Ivory's In You When You Do That :d

Honey Back?

WTF do you have against PEANUT butter?

ROTFLMAO

NOW THAT THIS THREAD IS TOTALLY HIGH-JACKED!!!!!! ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO TOTALLY SHAVE A BEAVER???? KNOCK IT OUT WITH TEQUILLA?
SNEAK UP ON IT AND MAYBE IT WONT NOTICE THAT YOURE SHAVING IT? BETTER YET I SUPPOSE YOU COULD SLIP SOME CHEMO-THERAPY IN THE TEQUILLA EH?. ANYONE EVER SEEN A GREY PELT):h THAT WOULD BE REASON ENOUGH FOR ME TO WANNA SHAVE IT;) JUST SOME THOUGHTS FROM THE NUT "HUT" THIS MONDAY EVENING):h There are many ways to depelt the beaver, one being to feed and inebriate the beaver, return home, do it beaver style until the beaver falls asleep, take out hedge clippers or machete for the heavy work, clean tools return them to the shed , fine tune with a straight razor (a bic will do in a pinch) wake up beaver, apply honey (or peanutbutter) and take modded beaver for a ride.:D

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