:mad: bearings gone need new motor 130,000 miles 03 dually this fing sucks:mad: :mad: :mad:

they say just a bad part .......all oil changes done there @ 6000 miles :mad: :mad: :mad:

i bet i'm first with bad bearings!!!!! rep said 50/50 because i'm out of warr..:mad: :mad: :mad:

50 % of motor cost r u kidding me GO F-U- YOURSELF ............:mad:
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There is a few on ebay right now. You might wanna check?

Yeah I imagine a motor from a wrecked truck would be less than half of a new one from GM

That's some bad news-:t. Are you aware if at any time the engine oil was ever contaminated by any other liquids (fuel, coolant, etc.). These can destroy bearing/s in very short order, especially coolant. The Duramaxes seem to tolerate the fuel in the crankcase relatively well when the injectors leak into the rocker covers, but if enough fuel is added to suffeciently dilute the oil it will suffer a breakdown & damage the bearing/s at the very least, just another angle to consider if you need ammunition in your battle. The expected life (time to overhaul) of the Duramax is 200,000 miles (320,000 kms) as a minimum, so you are only 2/3 of the way there, first one I've heard of with bearing problems. Good luck, let us know if you have any more feedback from G.M. or the dealer.

Todd.

where are you located?

Bronco are you a member of the oilburners??....was that you that i was writing to??

i would be calling gm and stand your ground..it's amazing things break as soon the warranty expires??? i would be asking gm that question.

Good luck! 50/50 on the motor? ouch! Such a deal! Remember it is then a new GM part complete with warranty.

:mad: bearings gone need new motor 130,000 miles 03 dually this fing sucks:mad: :mad: :mad:

they say just a bad part .......all oil changes done there @ 6000 miles :mad: :mad: :mad:

i bet i'm first with bad bearings!!!!! rep said 50/50 because i'm out of warr..:mad: :mad: :mad:

50 % of motor cost r u kidding me GO F-U- YOURSELF ............:mad:
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LONE WOLF867 GO 2 DEALER AND TELL THEM TO CHANGE THE SWITCH AS PER THE SERVICE BULLETIN MY FATHER IN-LAW IS SERVICE MANG. AT DEALER HERE IN MICHIGAN AND MINE IS CHANGED..........THE TECH SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN WHAT YOU WROTE. SORRY SO STUPID SOUNDING REALLY TIRED


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What does your father in law have to say and he can't take care of his son in law?

how much is a Duramax usually? :/

Nothing In Fuel The Bearings Would Have Been Washed Meaning No Oil Right?
Im In Warren, Mi
Father In Law Got It Down To$ 2000.00 Newe Motor Right Now Dont Know What That Includes Injectors New Or Old ?????? Warr Is 12/12000 Right ????

Censored What Causes Bearing To Go No Oil Right?????? They Only Took It Apart To See The Crank With Grooves And Pieces In Oil Pan....but I Want To Know What Caused This.........dealer Said Maybe Just Bad Or Blockage Somewhere But Not Sure......Censored Censored Censored Censored Censored I LOVE MY TRUCK I MISS MY TRUCK NOW I HAVE TO GO TO BOWLING GREEN,KY IN MY FREIGHTLINER SNOW IN MI,OH NO 4 WHEEL GREATCensored Censored

You have never had fuel in your oil, Is that what your saying?

No Fuel In Oil Truck Ran Fine, Minor Oil Loss If Any In 6000 Miles

Probably not popular comment, but IMHO, 130,000 miles on a motor under normal use (not over reving/racing), it's hard to say it was a faulty part from GM unless something else broke and contaminated the oil, but the filter should have caught it. Sounds like a faulty filter or bad oil. If it was a bad bearing or rod cap/bolt etc, it wouldn't have made it this far. I know it sucks, but the 50/50 deal being offered sounds pretty good to me.

how much is a Duramax usually? :/

The total power package with the Allison and Duramax is around 6k:eek:

How did the failure play out? What ,if there were any signs of a impeding problem did you have? Or did you just park it one night restart and a rod knock occurred?

Details please

$2,000 for a motor will not include injectors.How much for the install?

130,000 on a Duramax lower end is nothing.That is one solid part in these motors.Some where I have the SAE Document.

If you can get a new dmax for 2k, I'll take 5, I'll drive anywhere toget them and bring cash.

If they are offering 50/50 deal, thats not bad.. New engine at list is around 11,700. That includes injectors but not much else. Could likely find something used and save some money somewhat. Depends on how long you can afford to have downtime etc.

Same question as before....Where are you located... May be able to arrange some help

Eric,

Nothing In Fuel The Bearings Would Have Been Washed Meaning No Oil Right?
Im In Warren, Mi
Father In Law Got It Down To$ 2000.00 Newe Motor Right Now Dont Know What That Includes Injectors New Or Old ?????? Warr Is 12/12000 Right ????

Not to sound rude or anything but I have a question, "Why do we all expect these trucks, or any car for that matter, to last forever??? I think our expectations are to high and then it sets the table for unnecessary grief.

Do not get me wrong, I want mine to last, but I am a realist. These trucks are going to break. I feel for your pain 03Dually, I think buying a used motor from a yard may be the best and cheapest solution. I have heard the GM price for a new motor is upward $10K. I have seen some here local for $4K with 25K miles. The only problem with used is they come complete and then you have to strip them down and swap them out. I would do new and get the factory warranty.

I have considered the options, with the way used vehicles depreciate so fast and the rising cost of new, it is more economical to buy an engine. I was at the lot over the holidays and the new 05 truck with LT package is $53K NOT including Tax and license. Obviously there are some incentives but when all is said and done you will be out $50K easily to drive it off the lot.

Please keep us posted as to the outcome.

There are a couple on ebay with "buy it now" prices in the $7500 range....

IMHO-I am sorry, but I have to disagree with some of you. If we pay over $40,000 for a vehicle, it better last until at least 200,000miles if not more. diesels are known for their durability. If you drive an 18 wheeler, and the motor went out at 130,000miles, you would be pi$$ed.

greyghost, thanks, missed it all togather.:rolleyes:

03 Dually....give me a call.. Wanna discuss this with you..maybe able to help

616-218-8466
Eric

03Dually.....Eric is TopNotch!!!!!!

Tom http://dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=107

two stacks for a new engine is the only way to go. swallow your pride and jump on it. if install is extra and you are not willing to do it, either pay them or eric to do it. for that amount, that is the only option you should consider. wil

Maybe I am not getting this? Are these motors un-rebuildable? Are the tolerances so tight and matched one can not throw a new crank and a set of bearings in this block. Must be much cheaper than a motor. Or are the parts unavailable, could not buy them if you wanted to??? :confused:

IMHO-I am sorry, but I have to disagree with some of you. If we pay over $40,000 for a vehicle, it better last until at least 200,000miles if not more. diesels are known for their durability. If you drive an 18 wheeler, and the motor went out at 130,000miles, you would be pi$$ed.
If the motor went on any new big truck at that mileage it would be covered, they run to 500k on the motor, 750 on trans and rear ends...

over the summer a guy i new blew his motor while pulling over a mountain summit, cylinder damage occoured, and the motor was replaced, total bill for the job installed with a new motor was just over 20k cdn for the job

Eric
I bet you could "Get er Done"
sucks to see a dmax live a short life when taken care of.
I remember pricing out the cost to rering a dmax parts and labor where in the $ 3500 range. I bet a crank is topping 6-8 grand for the job. If i remember are not all the bearings sized so fine that there are options to get along with rods?

2000 dla for a duramax? i'll take it anyday sober or drunk!!!!!50/50 i would also take it,it will cost you more if you choose to fight in court. I almost forgot for the person that wrote that a truck is not forever,when i pay 46,000 dls for a truck it better last not for ever but atleast 300,000 miles or i'll start sueing GMC until i go bankrupt doing it!!!

I think it can be fixed for less then the 50/50 cost.....
Matter of fact, I know it can... just need the owner to contact me

What's he waiting for?? I'd have your number speed dialed in my phone Lol.

Hey Fellow DMax'ers, hope I did not offend any of you. My comment about these not lasting forever was a general statement. I know GM has said these will last 200K miles but you have to realistic. Firstly, that was an estimated serviceable mileage. Secondly, Things happens and for a myriad of different reasons. Us engineers call them RCF(Random Component Failure) Eric is a stand up guy and sure helps all of us. I know he has helped me as has Mac. Hope 03Dually has been in touch, I would jump on a deal like that. Even a 50/50 for a new motor is a good deal IMHO. its a shame he has to come out of pocket to get his truck back online.

As for the price of the truck we all seem to comment about...I 100% agree..I think the price of automobiles is absolutely ridiculous.... $50K for a Pick up truck????? GOOD GRIEF However, as long as consumers continue to buy up and continue to pay, the makers will continue to increase prices. The economy has been in a slump for nearly 3 years now. Cost of making products has remained flat so why has the price of cars continued to rise at 5-10% clip.....??? BECAUSE WE BUY THEM! Paying more money does not make them last any longer.

I am a safety engineer and more often than not I spend my days investigating how RFC caused a near miss (or worse) on everything from machine tools to 30 ton overhead cranes (that was last week)so I agree that sh*t happens. However, as an engineer I have no tolerance for expensive highly engineered systems that fail well before the expected lifespan. We purchased these vehicles with the advertised claim that they would run at least 200K before need of overhaul....not complete destruction of the most durable components....just overhaul!Prior to this I had an old beater POS 1990 half ton chebby.....with a 305 in it that was an unchanged design from the 70's.......she was running strong when I sold it with 190K on the clock........it's not pretty but that motor has WELL over 200K on it today and runs like a champ.

The bottom end of a duramax is a rugged setup by all accounts, this is the first failure of this kind that wasn't the result of just rediculous abuse, that I have heard of.

I wouldn't be at all suprised if there was another factor involved here....head gasket...or some other source of oil contamination...

It's out of warranty and that sucks......I feel for you.....but the 50/50 sounds like a reasonable deal and a long block for 2K ain't bad either.

Sounds like Eric might even have a better idea....give him a call.....best move you can make.

Good Luck!

403Turbo,

Amen, Along with my Development engineering role I also switch hats sometimes as the FAE. Root cause would be what I would want to know from the folks that tear it apart. There are a host of questions,

Was it a true bearing failure?
How did it fail, did it or all spin in the saddle?
Did something plug a galley?
Did an oil filter fail?
Was the wrong oil used?
Was it abused?
Did the owner suffer from injector failure(s) and now the long term ramifications of the fuel in oil is rearing its ugly head?

I would think GM may want to know as well. If the estimated serviceable life is 200K and it had a bearing failure I would want to know. I would have to know to justify if it should be replaced at GM's expense or my own(Or in this case a goodwill of 50/50?) As a Drag Racer with a turbocharged car I always check and assess why a component failed especially since I run 34lbs boost with a 98mm turbo. Hopefully they did not pull and toss without understanding.

Truck Never Abused I'ts My Way Of Means My Living Maker........oil Was Only 2500 Miles Old Right Filter And Oil I Watched Him Do It As Far As The Cost 2000.00 Is The Final # New Motor And Injectors And Belts And Hoses....
I Just Wish There Was A Way To Tell If This Happens Again Oh And No Problems With The Old Injectors Either So I'm Going To Keep Them

If your getting the job done for 2000 out of pocket, you better go with it. I wont be able to do that. A long block engine is 9k or better even at discount when purchased new...

Dmaxallitech Thanks For The Offer Glad To See There Is Still Good People Out There Do You Work At A Dealer????? Where And Everone Else Thanks Oh And By The Way I Haul Cars For G.m. Prototype Stuff And Mon. I'm Have An App. With Some Gm Shooters @ Milford Prov. Grounds To Talk About This Motor Problem.....they Are Going To Hear Some **** From Me The Way It Sounds I'm Going To Be Very Happy They Hinted To Over The Phone....i Let You All Know What Happens ..............not What You Know It's Who.....

03Dually,

Theres a member selling an '02 motor/trans in Chicago area....

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21365

Tom

Kinda interesting that GM is offering to help on the 50/50 deal. Do they know there was a GM caused problem? Or are they trying to stop getting a bad reputation started about motors crapping out, early?

By rights it is out of warranty..... But it sould have lasted longer. Depends on up keep.

03duramax.. I work at the largest GMC dealer in W MI. I know I can help you through this. Please call me if your avail and I can see what we/I can do to help.

616-218-8466
Eric

It didn't happen to have an orange oil filter on it, did it?:eek:

Dmaxallitech Thanks For The Offer Glad To See There Is Still Good People Out There Do You Work At A Dealer????? Where And Everone Else Thanks Oh And By The Way I Haul Cars For G.m. Prototype Stuff And Mon. I'm Have An App. With Some Gm Shooters @ Milford Prov. Grounds To Talk About This Motor Problem.....they Are Going To Hear Some **** From Me The Way It Sounds I'm Going To Be Very Happy They Hinted To Over The Phone....i Let You All Know What Happens ..............not What You Know It's Who.....


So what did the big cheezeball tell ya????????

Havent heard a thing from him other then that post Tony....IF your talking to me. LOL

03Dually,
Hang in there friend, don't be discouraged, the Duramax is a fine powerplant, hopefully your bad fortune will turn around.

& to all you naysayers out there I ask one question,
In your entire lives, have you ever made a mistake?
If you have, then why do you expect everything else to be perfect?

Folks just like you & I build these things, & they don't always have "perfect" days, s*cks that 03Dually got problems, but it happens from time to time & all the griping in the world isn't going to change that. People build them & people sometimes make mistakes, that's just the way it is.

Dmaxallitech,
You are a credit to the Industry, your willingness to help others in need is unsurpassed. I have learned a great many things about the Duramax engine & Allison transmissions from reading your posts, & I look forward to learning more.

Dmaxallitech,
You are a credit to the Industry, your willingness to help others in need is unsurpassed. I have learned a great many things about the Duramax engine & Allison transmissions from reading your posts, & I look forward to learning more.:ro) :)

Dmaxallitech,
You are a credit to the Industry, your willingness to help others in need is unsurpassed. I have learned a great many things about the Duramax engine & Allison transmissions from reading your posts, & I look forward to learning more.
I couldnt agree more! (or have said it better):)

03Dually,
Dmaxallitech,
You are a credit to the Industry, your willingness to help others in need is unsurpassed. I have learned a great many things about the Duramax engine & Allison transmissions from reading your posts, & I look forward to learning more.
I agree. I'm not a Tech and am never going to be. I do minimum maintenacne on my equipment like oil, filters and tire rotations and leave the rest to the professionals. I always enjoy reading Eric's stuff and have learned many things about my truck as a result of himself, the other Tech's who frequent this board, plus many other knowledgeable members who post stuff. Thanks to all.

):h ):h Well Should Have My Truck Back Mon. New Inj. New Motor New Belts, Water Pump ,fuel Lines..........2000.00 I Guess It'ds Not Bad ..........the Big Guys A Gm Said Never Heard Of This B 4 Mine.......good Thing They R Going To Tear It Apart With The Dmax Guys From Ohio Next Week .....yes I'll B There......i'll Let You Guys Know What Happens.....they Also Said Something About The 2000.00):h ):h ):h ):h ):h ):h

Dmaxallitech Can You Help Me With A Few Things............
I Hope B 4 Fri Afternoon Is It Going To Be A 05 Motor ?????lb7 Lly??????
Waht About Warr.?????
Now What Should I Put On Her Aftermarket Wise I Just Want A Little More Power For Towing.......that's What I Do.....what About Filtration Fuel And Oil What About Oil I Trust What You Say U R Good People From What I Hear Around Here And You Wanted To Help Me Through This Mess.........we Need More People Like U In The World

They took an LB7 out and they will put one back in.

Additional fuel filtration is a great idea, but it wont prevent what happened to your engine.

Additional Oil filtration is a good idea, but I am not sold on it. Stick with a good maint schedule and you'll be fine IMO.

Warranty will be determined by your AVM. Since its an assisted repair, it could vary. If you paid out of pocket, it would be 3yr/50k. If it was done completely under warranty, then it would be 12/12. I would ask them what it is.

As for power boxes...best advise I can give is do a search...more info then you can imagine.!

All i got to say is if i get to 130,000 miles and my motor blows up and i get a brand spaking new one for $2,000 then i'm going to be happy. Matt

Thanks For The Reply Fuel What....nicktane???
You Sell That Right???

Yes, here (http://www.gmdieseltech.com/store2/cart.php?target=product&action=view&product_id=16247&category_id=280)

03Dually,
Dmaxallitech,
You are a credit to the Industry, your willingness to help others in need is unsurpassed. I have learned a great many things about the Duramax engine & Allison transmissions from reading your posts, & I look forward to learning more.I too agree! Thank you Dmaxallitech

I'm kinda behind there is just so much on DieselPlace and its growing everyday!
Thanks to all that keep 'er running. Maybe its time I contribute to the cause:)