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: Water/Meth CHILLER


Super Diesel
12-29-2004, 10:28 PM
For those that have been patiently waiting.

Got Juice?
12-29-2004, 10:43 PM
quantos costa ?

Super Diesel
12-29-2004, 10:44 PM
These kits start at $325 for the basic and go to $500+ W/tanks. The ones that include the pat.pending S.D. intake manifold, start at $425. A web site with my components coming soon. New Biodiesel making fuel stations for the garage on the way as well.

sp33d
12-29-2004, 11:09 PM
Very nice! Won't need the day job much longer ):h

Jim659
12-30-2004, 07:44 AM
I already got mine, what a nice setup. The inline manifold is awesome!

cid`
12-30-2004, 12:18 PM
Mike,

Keep up the excellent work! I dont think alot of us would have as much as we do, in terms of information and goodies, if you werent here!

JJs DuMax
12-30-2004, 01:50 PM
Great looking setup SD. With all of the benefits of WI it surprises me how few have it. Could it be that most associate WI with racing? Given that WI lowers EGT's, lubricates the cylinders better, increases hp/tq, etc., one would think it would be the hottest mod going. :confused:

I'm still gathering intel, mostly component issues though. WI is definitely in my LLY's future. JJ :)

ZR1160
01-04-2005, 04:19 PM
Could I build a tank out of alumium, or would the meth eat it? duno just askin:confused:

svpdiesel
01-04-2005, 04:27 PM
Methanol eats aluminum.

JJs DuMax
01-06-2005, 12:01 PM
Uh, aren't the heads on the LLY aluminum? JJ :confused:

yitsock
01-06-2005, 12:31 PM
Any estimate of what type of hp/tq increases one would be looking at with this kit? Just curious...

Chris

svpdiesel
01-06-2005, 12:39 PM
Yes, ALL Dmax heads are aluminum. Meth may corrode the intake ports over a long period of time, but it generally doesn't sit on the surface of the head long enough to cause a problem. Sitting in an aluminum tank, you would get corrosion pretty quickly. If you coat the inside of the tank with something like epoxy powder, that might work. You might ask SD about long-term effects- I have a feeling he's been doing this for a while...

Super Diesel
01-06-2005, 01:10 PM
It depends on the kind of aluminum. Our engine heads and intakes along with my inline manifolds are a exellent grade. I have seen absolutly no side effects from it. Not even a tarnishing. It is injected and expelled at a pretty high rate of speed. I know Methonol is hell on steel components (non Stainless Steel) if it sits in it. Never tested it for the power independent. It also varys with # of jets (1 vs 2) and the size. I get better cooling with the smaller nozzled twin set up. I also felt a litte better power as well. The power increase also depends on how many other power adders you have going on as well.

BassinRVer
01-06-2005, 02:20 PM
Where do you put the 8 Gallon tank? And how often under "normal" use does the 8 gallon tank last. Where do you get methonol. Does meth/water come premixed. With HJ how much more HP (approximately) does this kit add the with two smaller nozzles. Can meth/water be used with NOS or is it an alternative to NOS. On average how much less are EGT? Sorry about all the dump questions but I have not been keeping up with this new stuff.

I am also alittle confused about your prices. But please bare with me.

"These kits start at $325 for the basic and go to $500+ W/tanks. The ones that include the pat.pending S.D. intake manifold, start at $425. A web site with my components coming soon. New Biodiesel making fuel stations for the garage on the way as well."

Are you saying your pat. pending manifold is $100 bucks, $325 minus $425? So the price with the 8 gallon tank, pat. pending manifold and the rest of your system is roughly $600. Or is the "$500+ W/tank" price including pat. pending manifold.

Any time line as when your site will be up?

IBDMAX'IN
01-06-2005, 04:37 PM
I can probably help with some of these questions and if I'm off base I'm sure SD can correct me.

8 gallon tank should last you as long as you have you truck, since the material is Meth resistant. most people mount the tank in the bed of the truck close to the cab for easy access.

You can get the water/meth premixed for about $1.5 per gallon depending on how much blue washer fluid is going for at your local gas station......That right I said "Washer Fluid", the standard blue washer fluid is the most popular, and is completely safe to use in your system.

With the HJ you'll probably see around 20-35HP maybe more, maybe less, depends on your other mods: Exhaust, intake, ect...., but you'll see lower EGT's from you truck when you run it, now how much is all a matter of how long you run your truck at WOT. The EGT's rise much slower when using water meth then when you don't use it. How much lower the EGT's are will depend on how long your run is. Could range from: 100-250 degrees.

You can use the water/meth with nitrous, for a matter of fact, they compliment each other very well. When SD runs these combo's on the dyno he becomes a 12 valve munching monster!!! (It's a good show!!)

As far as I understand it, SD sells that manifold separately for $100 bucks. Nice piece of work too!! as far as the combo's with the manifold I couldn't tell you, that one SD will have to answer. Keep in mind that the manifold that he sends you is already tapped for Nitrous, hobs switches, water/meth, ect..... So it really saves you a bunch of trouble tapping into the factory stuff. Not to mention that all you have to do is buy a $60 piece of the factory pressure tubing and the stealer will never know that you ever had the Nitrous, water/meth, propane, ect..... on your truck if you have to take it in for warranty work.

Hope this helps!

Super Diesel
01-07-2005, 02:50 AM
IBDMAX'IN is right on the money. The $500 kit does include the manifold. You can get straight Methanol from any good race shop for about $120-$135 for a 55gal drum. You can use the washer fluid, or a 50/50 mix of straight methanol and water for best power gains and cooling. A 8gal tank will last aproxamately 16 or so minutes of constaint running (that will last a while). I also did a reaserch and found that according to the Cole-Parmer report, Methanol is harmless to Aluminum. So we can use it ABUSIVELY if wanted. I am also looking into getting some made up silicone boots for the inline manifold for the LB7 like I did on the LLYs. The extra silicone boots will be another $10 just like on the LLY.

Super Diesel
01-07-2005, 02:59 AM
With the 50/50 mix some are gaining as much as 70hp. The 50/50 does cool the best and I normally see my EGT gage hover at around 1200-1250 during full blast runs. For best results, you shoot the water/meth just before the temps get out of hand, and it keeps them in check pretty good. It dosnt bring temps back down very easly after there already up there. It is not as powerful as N2O and it doesn't cleen up the black like N2O does. It turns the black cloud gray. I have a site now, I am just converting it because it contains nothing but stuff about Biodiesel which will still be there, but just in its own section.

BassinRVer
01-07-2005, 12:40 PM
With the 50/50 mix some are gaining as much as 70hp. The 50/50 does cool the best and I normally see my EGT gage hover at around 1200-1250 during full blast runs. For best results, you shoot the water/meth just before the temps get out of hand, and it keeps them in check pretty good. It dosnt bring temps back down very easly after there already up there. It is not as powerful as N2O and it doesn't cleen up the black like N2O does. It turns the black cloud gray. I have a site now, I am just converting it because it contains nothing but stuff about Biodiesel which will still be there, but just in its own section.
WHat is your web address?

3-Fan
01-07-2005, 01:04 PM
What is the mix ratio on straight washer fluid?

svpdiesel
01-07-2005, 02:46 PM
SuperD, I was surprised when I saw you note that Cole- Parmer says methanol does not corrode aluminum, as it has been my experience that it WILL do so in fuel systems with AN aircraft fittings, to such an extent that alcohol-fueled cars generally are drained, refilled with gas, and run long enough to flush out all the alcohol. If you don't, in a month or so, you could have badly corroded fuel system. So, I did a little search to see if something besides the methanol was responsible, and the best study I found is at this link:
http://www.virginia.edu/cese/people/kelly.html
It's pretty dry reading, but it shows that methanol does corrode aluminum, and some things, like acid or salt, make it worse. Water oddly makes it less corrosive, but more prone to pitting. So, it probably won't hurt anything it doesn't sit in for a long time, but an aluminum tank is not a good idea...
Not trying to be contrary here, just want to shed a little light on the subject...
My search was 'methanol corrode aluminum' and turned up a lot of other articles about it , if you're inclined to see more.


Steve

Super Diesel
01-08-2005, 01:03 AM
I ran a test last summer by putting some rubber hoses in some methanol for a month to see if they would deteriorate. I wanted to use them for the new fuel pumps system I made and wanted to make sure that they wouldn't get soft from using biodiesel in the tank. I held them down in the tank with some of my scrap intake manifolds. They never tarnished or any thing. I got the results I posted from, Chemical Compatabilty Results on there site. I was curious as well. They gave it, A rating for compatibility with aluminum, which is excellent with no corrosion.

sdaver
01-08-2005, 01:09 AM
sd your a man on a mission

Super Diesel
01-08-2005, 01:11 AM
I have the need, the need for speed.

trapman
01-08-2005, 09:41 PM
The intake is also aluminum

BassinRVer
01-11-2005, 02:49 PM
SD,
Please let us know when your site is up. Right now it is being redirected to another web page asking you to call them. Here's the message:

"This site is currently unavailable.

If you are the owner of this site, please contact us at 1-480-505-8855 at your earliest convenience."

GMDude
01-11-2005, 03:00 PM
SD,


Im looking for one of those SD Intake Manifolds. If you have any let me know on price and avaibility..considering it seems as-if your site is down.

- Mark

hdmax
04-08-2005, 11:33 AM
Mr. Super Diesel;

Is your site up? And if so, what is the address?

Thanks! I'll hang up and listen. ;)