2004 -2500HD
D/A LLY
Ext Cab-LT
ARE DCU Series Cap


I am wondering if I should be using a fuel treatment for the winter. Checked with the dealer and they say no, its not needed. I tend not to trust them on these things (many things!). Temps around here range from the lower teens at night to the 30's/40's during the day.

The fuel used is already treated in bulk, is this enough?

What type of treatment, how much, and how often?
Will it void any warranty?

Thanks,

L.Tik

Many here use an additive as do I. Do a search on this site and you can read for hours. Personally I use Stanadyne or Power Service (the latter is much cheaper). To me it is cheap insurance against a winter gell-up

GM says to make sure an additive "does not contain alcohol"

I run my FPPF Total Power and 8 Plus Cetane improver blend year round. Good idea tomaintain a clean, well lubricated fuel system.

Thanks for the input!

How much per tank full should I add?

I have some Power Service, but it does not say its alcohol free. Is it all alcohol free?

I use the power service when I have no Stanadyne. As per recommendations, Stanadyne is the only one recognized from GM. http://www.stanadyne.com/new/ppt/showfile.asp?id=1687
this is a link for GM's Approval of Stanadyne and the GM Bulletin Number is there as well. You'll need adobe acrobat reader in order to view it as it is a .pdf file. As far as amount to use, the more the better on most of them. Read the bottles for recommended doseage and add a little extra for the cheaper stuff.

Thanks for the input!

How much per tank full should I add?

I have some Power Service, but it does not say its alcohol free. Is it all alcohol free?
Yes, the Power Service is alcohol free.

Where in the hell do you find Stanadyne. All the truck stops in central tx. only carry lucas...(i think thats the way it's spelled) or Power Service

Where in the hell do you find Stanadyne. All the truck stops in central tx. only carry lucas...(i think thats the way it's spelled) or Power Service
dieselpage.com

Jim

Fuel Power by www.lubecontrol.com is the way to go! Read up over at www.bobistheoilguy.com

We are a sponsor here and have many customers switch from the products mentioned above.

A GM Diesel Mechanic told me that in January the oil companies are going to quit putting the additive in the fuel at the pump so everyone that has a diesel will have to use an aftermarket additive. He said GM is pushing Stanadyne for this. I already ordered a case.

A GM Diesel Mechanic told me that in January the oil companies are going to quit putting the additive in the fuel at the pump so everyone that has a diesel will have to use an aftermarket additive. He said GM is pushing Stanadyne for this. I already ordered a case.

I find that hard to believe. The trucking companies all over the country would be in an uproar over this. Plus the fuel would then gell up at the pumps.

someone else had vouched for this in another thread..I'll have to find it. So far this guy has been completely cool with me and he drives a diesel as well. I'll call him tomorrow and see if there is some documented proof of this anywhere at GM.

Thanks, I'd like to know. We have 10,000 gallons of fuel delivered here about 3-4 times a week. I don't know how we would blend that ourselves.

[QUOTE=PEVOMAN]Where in the hell do you find Stanadyne. All the truck stops in central tx. only carry lucas...(i think thats the way it's spelled) or Power Service[/QUOTE

http://www.stanadyne.com/new/ppt/ppt_search.asp

That is the dealer locating page, not to include the web pages you can get it for cheaper on.

Here is a paste of the Texas dealers (local).):h

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Where in the hell do you find Stanadyne. All the truck stops in central tx. only carry lucas...(i think thats the way it's spelled) or Power Service


Exactly One of the reasons (other than price) that I'm switching to Power Service.

i run primrose 405 for the california temps. if its cold, i'd run the 409. have also run FPPF..

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Has anyone else heard about not running a winter blend at the pumps?

I've heard it, but I've only heard it here - so that's not really a confirmation.

Also, I'm trying standadyne (this is my first tank right now). I've been running Diesel power from Wally World and I'm not happy with my mileage.

I can report back after I get two tanks through with the new treatment.

I'm using Stanadyne Performance Formula in mine. Can't say that I've noticed any difference, one way or the other. Seems like it should be good for the fuel system though.

I use Howes now for 3 years in my Diesels. This last weekend I was up in Mn around Park Rapids and it hit -35 at the cabin #2 and Howes in the tank. No problems. It wasnt even pluged in(couldnt find the cord). I didnt want to start it until I could plug it in but had to get it to the dealer they were closeing do to the holiday. The dealer pulled it out for me while they were fixing my intercooler tub, it had come apart at one of the bends. You can find Howes at almost every truck stop.

Primrose Power-Master 405 here... Have used it almost a year now without any problems.........Triffid

Ok, just wanted to clarify about what I had said earlier about the Diesel fuels and all..

Just called the Diesel guy at GM... he says the EPA is going to remove the sulfer in the diesel fuel in January which will cut down on lubrication of the injectors. he said the LLY should be fine after running the current diesel or additive for 100 gallons or so, so the injectors break in. He said you shouldn't need an additive, but should not be any problems using one. I told him I still was using Stanadyne and he said that was just fine.

From what he told me this may be an issue for newer diesels not running the current diesel blend, but after using an additive for a while should be fine.

Sorry for the confusion, hope this clears that up.

Hey Diesel Power
I just started using Primrose 409 too, do you know if it's alcohol free? :ro)
chevy 2500 HD CC D/A LWB White, Nictane fuel filter

Hey NCMIC thanks for the line. the Temple location is going to be my hookup. $3.50 for 8oz.=one 30 gal treatment, $5.50 for 1 pint sounds good to me. I'll post results on proformance & mileage getting 16+overall now thanks

Pevoman,

Anytime. I am glad you can get it for that price and able to locate a dealer near you. Looking forward to the results posting.