I'm still struggling with the "Do I get the Juice or the Predator?" Question.

Question: At what engine temp does the "Juice" module begin to operate? Also, How does the truck drive when you start out driving in cold engine temps and the Juice finally kicks on when up to the proper temperature. Does it surge when it activates? Example: Your engine is cold, your cruising at 55mph and the Juice finally engages. What happens in the driving performance?

It was 18*F this AM on the way to work. My drive to / from each day is under 20 miles. I'm obviously concerned the I'll spend most of the time in cold weather waiting for the extra HP.

I've looked at the on-line "Juice" manual and can't find the answer.

Thanks!

Rob :)

If you look at the thread Performance Anxiety I have been asking info about the juice and others. It might help. GOOD LUCk

I know from experience that the EDGE will not work until the engine hits 180 F. Although a cold front will help raise the temp quicker. A short trip like you state and a diesel don't mix well. Keep the truck in a heated shop and keep it pluged in. Remember is is not good to race any engine while cold.

Pilot

My experience with the juice, power starts getting added between 158 and 161 degrees with full power being available around 165. It seems that as it gets warmer it adds the power "slowly". I've never been WOT long enough between 155 and 165 to determine how it adds the power.

I generally wont run WOT until the truck is at least to 138-140, as displayed by the attitude display. The temp gauge in the dash is useless to me.

I have had both the EDGE and Predator and even though I have a few less options with the Predator (as for on the go adjusting goes), I am much happier with the Predator performance. The Predator does not have the 180 engine temp...I live in MN and it was 9*F this morning...

The Juice/*** will not kick in until 180*.

We have been getting better reviews for the Predator than we have for the Juice/***. Everyone likes the Attitude monitor, but is willing to give it up for the power and driveability of the Predator. Hope this helps in your decision.

The Juice/*** will not kick in until 180*.

We have been getting better reviews for the Predator than we have for the Juice/***. Everyone likes the Attitude monitor, but is willing to give it up for the power and driveability of the Predator. Hope this helps in your decision.
Anyone feedback about stackin predator and Juice?

The 180 limit on the juice will be changing soon. Winter is revealing problems with that. Edge is now aware of the problem and is working to resolve this issue. Anyone with the box will get re-flash or replacement unit. This has not been announced by edge, but it's not far off. The point is, if you go with edge, they stand behind the product better than any tuner out there, hands down. Just one of the reasons I sell it. When the warmup issues are fixed, Edge will be the choice again.

I have read alot of people having turbo bark out of their edge for the LLY.

Deadeye- That stack seems to run pretty good together. Dont turn them both all the way up, mess with the settings on each one to see what will run best on your rig. There doesnt seem to be a combo that works best for every truck.

masterp2- Are you really selling the combo for that price? You have got to be kidding me.

The Juice on the LB7 starts to add power at 150° and then gradually reaches 100% output at 180°. I'm assuming the same for the LLY.

Ahhh don't worry about it. It's only Michigan weather. Start the truck up, get the kids ready for school and she's at 180 in the first 5 miles to the freeway. :)

It looks like Edge starts to bring feul in after 150 degrees which you'll see as white smoke because it doens't ramp up the timing and boost all the way until you hit 180 degrees. It's probably a saftey check to make sure the pump, rail and injectors are performing before they turn everything on.

Rick

masterp2- Are you really selling the combo for that price? You have got to be kidding me.

Ssssshhhh!

Micheal, any word on what temp yet?

I will make some suggestions when I speak to them again. I think 150-160 would be good. Just me.

masterp2,

I haven't talked with Aaron in quite a while, but have you heard anything about a fix for the "Turbo Bark" issue? ( I've been added to their list for when they did have a fix.) I agree on the 150-160 degree range also.

Unfortunately, Aaron does not seem to have any real concept of these issue being widespread. (although he gives the company a good name) His normal solution for everyone is to just "R and R" and problems are not being communicated to product development. I hope, as a result of a discussion with the people in authority, that something may happen.

What cold weather issues? The only cold weather issue I have seen is having to turn the silly thing back to "0" so I don't spin the living heck out of my brand new, expensive to replace, H2's on slippery pavement! ;)

As for driveability issues.....what driveability issues? My truck runs like a raped ape with smooth power throughout the powerband. If anything, it's my incredibly heavy right foot thats the problem. :ro)

What the Censored ?!? I haven't had any problems with this unit since I bought it. ):h What am I doing RIGHT?

You should let your truck warm up before you flog the crap out of it ANYWAY....


Tom :eek:

Tom, Ever hear the sesame street song, "which of these things is not like the others..."

Look at your signature, and then everyone elses.

Knock on wood my edge unit is awesome.....even in the cold weather.

I never abuse my rig when she is cold. I feel that a cold engine and abuse do not go hand in hand. JMO.
Ben

Guys,

Before we get too carried away on the "don't abuse your engine when it's cold" remarks I don't think anyone has an intention of doing that or has even made mention of wanting to.

I just dont want my truck running like crap when it is cold outside because of a programmer. Today was the first really cold day for us in MI and since I've owned my truck. It has'nt been over 2*F all day. After running around town in my truck for an hour it never got above 180* engine temp (no winter cover) so I can see how the Edge could cause problems when your temp. is teetering on the bordline operation temperature.

BTW - I put the stock cold weather front on when I got home. Kind of a PITA the first time. Directions leave a little to be desired!

Rob

Tom, Ever hear the sesame street song, "which of these things is not like the others..."

Look at your signature, and then everyone elses.Ok....call me a bonehead......it's an LLY thing. Thats a good one though, masterp2. You still shouldn't overdo it till the engine warms up anyway.


The Eminent Dumbass and Potstirrer:

Tom :eek:


Skory....ya like that 10* today with -18 windchill? -:t Censored Beauty!!!!

I live in the Yukon and find my Edge will not work when -20! The engine temp reads 185 to 190 and still nothing from the Edge.

Yukon

There is a poll on this right now.

Could you cast your vote and some details.

I, for one, like the way the Juice waits until it's warm to add power.

On my '02 LB7, HJ/AT in level four, there are 4 distinct power additions:

143 F = mo fuel
153 F = mo fuel
163 F = mo fuel + timing (feathering pedal at 70 MPH in OD can hear timing noise)
180 F = mo fuel + maybe some more timing, hard to tell by ear

Where I've said "fuel," at a steady throttle setting and going up slight hills, you can feel a tug, and I see it on the boost guage - maybe 2 psi increments each time.

Now you all know I'm a true geek.

Get winter fronts if ya live up here in the snowbelt!

Another LB7 ADD.What??? TF are you talking about?

BTW I am very interested in your truck mounted velodyne!

Whaddya mean, "Whaddya mean"?

The Velo is mounted in the Hifi room in ze house. Would be cool in the truck, eh?

Oh, I see, this is an LLY-only conversation I guess. Sorry http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

You kids and your newfangled toys http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

Ok, sorry if I assumed it was in the truck. If you have an oil fired house i will retreat.

I'm a DIY'er sub'er. Ever build your own?

Where is the poll?

Ok, sorry if I assumed it was in the truck. If you have an oil fired house i will retreat.

I'm a DIY'er sub'er. Ever build your own?
Well, I ventured in a little bit. Put an Audiomobile 15" (EVO series) in a bigass MDF sealed box (braced like no tomorrow) and made it rattle the windows. Then got busy with other stuff and didn't go back to it. In the meantime, Audiomobile died. Nice driver for the money though.

I have sitting here, 2 Adire 15" Tempests and one Aura Sound MR18.4 (cowabunga!) waiting to be played with. Someday when I have a spare minute.....

If I didn't have a Velodyne, I'd probably be pushing harder, but when you have one of the best, it's easier to just sit back and let it do its thing. They seem to have the best of all worlds - sealed box, servo control, lots of power.

WTF are you guys talking about?!!!! (I'm starting to feel old!)

Here yukon, poll:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19919&goto=newpost

Where did you put an evo-15? It is so deep. Nice driver though.

I'll bet that aura needs 7-10 cf. Dan Wiggins makes some fine stuff, get busy. Have you seen any of Thomas W's stuff, "12 shiva's dancing"?

here is a project I did awhile back. Even robbed the patent office,

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=25554

Skoryaro-

Masta P was busting on Tom and I for posting stuff relating to how the Juice/Attitude work on the LB7 WHEN IT WAS SOO CLEAR that the question being asked was for how it works on the newfangled LLY. I'm beginning to feel like a geezer. I'm officially "old school." http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif

So after slapping me upside the head, we took a little audio diversion talking about subwoofers.....ya know, things that make your house rumble when we play muzak.

Mike, everything I was working on was for the home / pro audio, so space was not a concern. Big box (16? cu. ft), slow roll off, great time domain performance.

Don't use ports, mmkay.....ports are bad mmkay.... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

How does 132 dB at 19HZ bite ya (In a room, not a car), in a single 15" under 5 cf?
Would even make Baimpala blush watching U-572.

Thrust you can trust. Sorry for the diversion Sky.

You guys are kill'in me! :)

132 dB, 19 Hz.....no way am I believing that. Maybe for a few milliseconds with the room in resonance, but with a 15"....

Even pro sound stuff won't make anything near that level. At our church, we run twin Meyer PSW-4s (a 15" and an 18" each in separate ported chambers) with 625 watts per channel and we can't do 132 dB no way.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif

122, MAYBE.

Oh, dah. I wish I could say I was just testing you. I looked at that and said "that doesn't look right"

It was 2 HE-15's driven by 2000W each. I Think the one is around 122-124 dB. I'l have to go back and look now that I opened my big mouth.