Check off as many as apply.

Does not apply to stack users, just otherwise stock vehicles . This is not a bashing session, if you don't own the box, please move on. We are trying to do some good here. Please be as descriptive as possible

It's time we help Edge out and supply some useful information so we can all have what we paid for. Even though you have posted your experience on other threads, please do it one more time.

I have listed several things, pick as many as apply to you, and by all means, post your specific issues, and resolutions, be complete, list all the following so I can chart the data.

1. year
2. Edge sticker mfg date (important)
3. attitude or no attitude
4. specific gripe-describe, such as ...smoke at 160 degrees...knock or hesitation during warmup.
5. specific remedies that have worked for you, i.e. dealer reflash, Edge replacement... and things that did not work for you.

With a little effort, this thread will get attention. I will present the result to Edge product development. As we all know, communication is 3/4 of the solution.

04.5 w/ attitude, works fine except for the 180* motor is a P-I-A.
170* would have been better choice or heck >0* would really rock.

Here ya go. My main concern is how I will get MY juice fixed (don't mean to be selfish, but how can you not miss it).

04.5 LLY
Juice MFG date 6/04 (last version was 7/04 - newer)
With attitude

Between 160 and 180 during warm up, truck surges at highway speed.

Transmission slippage display goes haywire at low ambient temp (under 30F) - and does not recover when getting to temp. When in this condition, even when getting over 180 F, I do not get the indicated level of power, if any, from the Juice.

When engine temp dips below 180 F in cold wx, the juice disables.

Replacement module from Edge did not fix it.
Re-flash of my truck computer (2 days ago) did not fix it.
Winter cover on front of truck did not fix it.
Truck runs fine with Juice removed.

And a final note, my truck has never seen over 190 (since new in May 04) on the attitude engine temp and usually reads just over 180. I have doubts if it will hold above 180 as it gets colder.

The whole idea, is getting Edge to understand the problem, fix it, and then fix the problem boxes. IMO, they have the best customer service in the industry, so when they can fix the problem, they WILL be fixed or replaced. Those words from a VP of Engineering. This effort will help them enormously. They have no interest in continuing to lose market share.

BTW, this is just something I took upon myself to do, I really like edge products, but they didn't test the LLY on the polar caps in June when the Beta testing was done. I can almost certainly guarantee they will have any issues fixed and it won't cost anyone a dime for the improvement. Now is your chance to be heard.

When I get out of my truck for the night I set it back to stock level, and the next morning, I just run in stock mode until I hit 180. Other than that I have no problems.

masterp2, I voted, not realizing you might have meant to only be polling LLY's. If you only wanted feedback from LLY's, delete one it rocks with no issues vote.

ttt

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sorry, I didn't see LLY:cool: ( rocks with a cure on the LB7)

ill edit this when i go and check my manufacture date....

1. 2004.5 lly
2.
3. Edge and Attitude
4.Truck seems to surge and knock when under 180 degrees....only happens when its on anything higher then level 0.......once its above 180 no problems at all.
5. I usually turn it back to level 0 if i park it....once its back over 180 i turn it back up.

1. 2004.5
2. 12-02-04
3. attitude
4. recently have a horrible knocking/ chain jumping teeth/ hitting the block with an ice pick sound in level 5, when this happens it pulls like its in level 2, actually 2 is a harder pull.... it seems to do it in the first 1/2 hour-45 mins of driving. it seems to be ok when its been running an hour. all of my problems came about when i had the reflash done, before that it just had a little fuel knock (it was louder than stock with the juice) it had way too much turbo bark and i unplugged my egr and that seemed to eleminate most of them, when it pulls hard(its inconsistant in level 5) i sometimes get the p1093 code and am 10 minutes late to wherever im going

attitude buttons are non responsive at times, display backlight level isnt always in order i.e. bright/dim/off sometimes dim/off/bright/off


5. disconnected egr to cure barks, new moudule seems like it doesnt pull as hard in lvl 5

other than that diesels are great for pulling however in the mean time i'd rather not have the problems associated with them..... long warm ups, injector problems, replacing fuel filters at 15k, shutting it off at the drive thru, did i mention $.30 more a gal than unleaded and 15mpg on winter fuel driving 80 miles a day..... if i start having injector issues (i think they're starting with the loud knocking/hitting sounds) im going to unload it and buy a cube van to tow my rock crawler

1. 2004.5
2. Don't have the date with me
3.Attitude
4. I notice before I start the truck the attitude shows about 164 degrees when outside temperature is only 40-60 degrees. Does this mean my EGT's are all off by over 100 degrees? It is reading over 100 degrees too high. Also, the truck doesn't seem to pull hard all of the time. Sometimes I step on it and it really hauls butt. Other times it feels stock. At first I thought it was my imagination.

Good observation on the EGT. I think that was Edge's way to pad safety into the backdown feature. In addition there are diffs in temp depending on your choice of sensor location. Yes, 1350 is actually 1250 to the best of my knowledge. Better than the opposite.

Good observation on the EGT. I think that was Edge's way to pad safety into the backdown feature. In addition there are diffs in temp depending on your choice of sensor location. Yes, 1350 is actually 1250 to the best of my knowledge. Better than the opposite.
The lowest the Edge Attitude will read is 160's. with the probe unhooked. This is a lower threshold and NOT a 100°f fudge to the curve.

While I'd rather see the minimum temp be lower than that, it is at the lower end of the scale where resolution would tend to suffer anyhow.

Thanks for the clarification John.

All: thanks for the poll results, this is going to be helpful.


BTW John, I want one or 2 of your secrets for your recent DP pull-off success. A true diesel enthusiast, why haven't you sold me something?

I know! A tough one. Would like a 5" exhaust that will clear a 315 spare. PM me with an idea.

2004.5 LLY
MFG DATE- 07/04

To make this simple I have had the same issues that FOREST LAKE LLY wrote. Word for word. I agree that it would help a lot if the 180 deg was lowered. I live in Minnesota, our first cold spell and it wouldn't maintain temp. I was going around looking for snap in cold front. Truck bucks and surges during warmup up to 180. A few times after 180 still bucks and surges, and does not feel like juice is working. Once had attitude read 100% slip in 5th with tq locked. Nothing wrong with trans. Haven't had the fuel knock at idle.

2004.5 LLY
Juice w/ attitude
New version of the edge.. june I believe

Fuel knock at idle, surging at freeway speeds and at idle (bucking)

Horrible problem today, and has occured before. I lose 2 or three injectors electronically and set codes. It sounds horrible, knocks, won't rev, won't clear with a scan tool without completely disconnecting edge jumper harness and ECM. Very wierd.

Also, If i roll on the throttle in 5th TQ Conv. locked, with less than 1/4 tank of fuel, my truck goes to some kind of low power mode which limits me to 2000 rpms. When I have a full tank, it won't do it. Changed the NEW fuel filter to eliminate that problem, but still does it. Not related to the edge, but definately a problem with the Dmax starving for fuel.

2004.5 LLY
I live in the Yukon Territory and when the weather dips to -10 or colder the Edge does not work at all!! I see my engine temp (reading on the Attitude) 180 to 195 and still nothing!!!

I also misses and sputters when cold out! When the temp is warmer it works fine!

Brayden,

Your symptoms sound like the subjest of the GM calibration update. Have you had this done yet?

I am altering my vote. I am with DMAXYUKON. Although we are not quite as cold as he is it has been down in the teens and twenties here. My edge does not like this. Some times it does not work at all, some times it comes on with somewhat of a bang "literally". This is all after the temp is above 180 and have been driving for a considerable amount of time.

Eric

When I first got my Attitude, had no-start issues when the cable was routed through the firewall. This was cured by routing the Attitude cable through the door jamb which seems to indicate that I had some sort of interference issue, maybe my Isspro pryo amp mounted down there on the firewall next to the big grommet. Has been problem free for many months and miles until just recently when it will "flash" and alarm briefly at intermittent times (cold weather?) The flashing/alarming has no effect on performance or operation, so it's just a minor nuisance at this point. Other than that, ran a non-Attitude Juice trouble-free for 28 months and 41K miles, been running this version with Attitude 10 months and 19K miles with only the two "glitches" mentioned.

The lowest the Edge Attitude will read is 160's. with the probe unhooked. This is a lower threshold and NOT a 100°f fudge to the curve.

While I'd rather see the minimum temp be lower than that, it is at the lower end of the scale where resolution would tend to suffer anyhow.
Funny you say that - along with the occasional "alarming" my Attitude pyro has been reading as low as 127 degrees at idle. Maybe my pyro is going out. Seems to read pretty close to the Isspro under load, but both were reading a more realistic 300 degrees at idle until just recently.

I want one or 2 of your secrets for your recent DP pull-off success. A true diesel enthusiast, why haven't you sold me something?
Little birdy told me he was disconnecting the knock sensor,but you wont get him to admit to it....

I think he puts a resistor in the FRPR feedback circuit to fool the pcm and make it think fuel pressure is low, thus bumping it up..

;)

Knock sensor? Funny. Good one!

I thought it was hilarious when I read about it here:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17448

I take back ALL the good things I said about you.

I am altering my vote. I am with DMAXYUKON. Although we are not quite as cold as he is it has been down in the teens and twenties here. My edge does not like this. Some times it does not work at all, some times it comes on with somewhat of a bang "literally". This is all after the temp is above 180 and have been driving for a considerable amount of time.

Eric
Okay I am in with you guys on this one. The temps here in OK dropped below 20 for the first time this year. For the past two days I have not had any power from the edge regardless of operating temps and power settings. My slip display shows 100% and my operating temp is in the 185 range.

The past two weeks it has been cold and the edge was intermittently kicking in and out depending upon operating temps. Now that it is below freezing it does not work at all.

Has anyone heard anything from edge on this yet? I am going to call today to see if they have a solution....................

OD

Thanks for your contibution. I am going to direct the engineering and product development folks to this thread, but I doubt anyone cares on dec 23. But be patient everyone, you are being heard, I guarantee that. Keep your votes coming.

Very interesting discussion with Edge today, (they called me). The information posted here is now in their office. Perhaps they will get back with us soon with an idea of a timeframe for a fix.

Adding to what you all have already said, the issues do not seem to be batch or manufacturing related, as most people report no fix with replacement units. All seems to point at original design.

reiterating, the purpose of this thread is to clearly as possible outline where edge should look to find the fix, not curse an otherwise exemplary product. With a little luck, the last post here will read "reflash version available-Edge back on top"!

Keep posting the specifics outlined above, it is very helpful.

Just installed 3 days ago. Live in south florida, so no temp problems here.

Only concern at this point is juice's level (or regulation) of control over the defueling process. Very sluggish IMO.

2004.5 october build
Juice w/attitude SN# 2334253 no other mods

Read a thread here last night about trans slip problems something to do with damage to C3 and c4. kind of new at the d/a performance issues. What I got from the discussion tells that one need be carefull with power levels and defueling setting.

Can the D/A be as fragile as some seem to think?

just installed juice after they truck tested it and pronounced it fine. same problem, would engage and then disengage no smooth power. out side temp 20 degrees, engine temp 196, hope they solve this soon nelson 05 chev

I have same trouble when cold as eveyone else seems to be haven.I have Juice only no Attitude,man. date 8-10-04.I've had it for about 2 months with no trouble till it gets cold.When I bought it,Edge told me they only have one version since they released it.

I am on my second box.

mfg:12/2/04 (first was 8/?/04)
Attitude 8/?/04
truck is 2004.5

I have noticed several anomilies all occuring after my reflash. I don't think the reflash was the determining factor for the problems though. Also the second box changed nothing, other than my attitude only acts strange in stock (0) setting.

I don't claim to know anything, but with all of this stuff happening at cold temps, I got to thinking that maybe it has to do with the actual temp of the juice box. There is a display setting for "mod temp". Using this I have to come to the conclusion that when the mod temp drops below 50 (at least somewhere between 40 and 50) strange things happen, or nothing happens as far as the juice is concerned. I have mine wire tied to my battery cable and have tied a small towel over it to act as insulaion and it seems to help keep its temp up. Maybe some others could keep an eye on the mod temp and see you see the same results.

I also have the turbo bark (caugh).

One more thing, if Edge is listening, I would like to see the juice take effect at 170 vs. 180 degrees.

Can't wait until they get it all figured out.

Bill

Just the kind of stuff they want to see. Good work.

I am also on my second box. Mfg date 12/2/04. No change from first box. Mod temp needs to be above 30f I've found. Anything less and the attitude slip monitor won't work and juice does not activate after 180deg water temp, once mod temp over 30 works just fine. Had turbo bark for first time this morning, floored in level 4 to merge into traffic. Also I would also like to see edge activate at a lower temp. When its really cold here its hard to maintain temp even with winter cover. But otherwise temps have been warmer so it has been working well. Can't wait for revisions to come out.

I am also on my second box. Mfg date 12/2/04. No change from first box. Mod temp needs to be above 30f I've found. Anything less and the attitude slip monitor won't work and juice does not activate after 180deg water temp, once mod temp over 30 works just fine. Had turbo bark for first time this morning, floored in level 4 to merge into traffic. Also I would also like to see edge activate at a lower temp. When its really cold here its hard to maintain temp even with winter cover. But otherwise temps have been warmer so it has been working well. Can't wait for revisions to come out.
It warmed back up here in OK this week and my Juice is back to working. It appears my box will not work if the outside temps are less than 30 degrees. Like others have stated wierd things start to happen below 40 degrees but at 30 or less the thing just does not work at all. This is all independent of engine operating temperatures.

Edge has offered to replace my box but from hearing from others it does not appear they have a fix yet. I will wait to see what they come up with. At the time I spoke with Edge (last week) my concerns were noted and I was added to the "database". The guy I talked to at Edge acted like he had no other complaints.

MasP2 has someone directed them to this page or heard any positive feedback yet??

OD

Yeah, I wish they would do away with THAT "script". Just know it is probably corporate policy, my best guess. Nonetheless, not kosher.

If edge cares about product development as much as they care about pricing policies, it should be fixed soon. Being a slow time of year, most staff on vacation. It is a little irritating that they make no public acknowledgement of a problem, but that's pretty normal. But let's give it a chance. This poll is being read and it is not something a company like edge will disregard, IMO.

My box works below zero (f*) but has to get engine temp to 180*.

I know since we had some -14* last weekend.

Why can't they make it where after it gets up to temp and comes on,it won't go off till it gets below 160.That way when you stop for a few minutes to get fuel or something you still have your power to get you back out in to traffic.

This is directed toward Kennedy....

I had the reflash in August, and didn't notice anything. If there is a new update since then, I haven't had it.

Hopefully my 05 acts better than my 04. Kind of wish I would have bought an LB7.

I have coughs and sputters and extreme smoking with any type of aggressive acceleration in either level four or five. I wont even put it in those levels anymore which is not the cure I was hoping for. It is very frustrating and I would love some kind of answer or cure from Edge. No such luck so far.

It does not ever work under 180 degrees.

Any update from Edge?

talked to edge today, they know diesel place, as one of the vendors had talked to the president about current problems. jerod of edge said hope to have fix soon. we will see. my edge is useless in this cold. nelson 05 lly.

Tonight I was helping out XR-Freak and when I took my truck out on the freeway the temp wasn't quite 180deg. yet. I started to push my foot down on the accelerator and then wham the juice came on (engine temp hit 180deg). What a jump. I'm not sure this is very good for the drivetrain though.

talked to edge today, they know diesel place, as one of the vendors had talked to the president about current problems. jerod of edge said hope to have fix soon. we will see. my edge is useless in this cold. nelson 05 lly.
After they do, they will probably want this thread removed.

Recieved E-mail today from an Edge Senior Product Development Engineer:

"Hi Michael-

Rest assured that our engineering team is working to address the problems that are being reported on the Juice LLY. Your feedback is a great help in going forward with this effort. Great forum post!"

As compared to my 03' 2500hd, my new 05' with edge seems to blow out alot more smoke even with slight acceleration. Level five seems to be clumsy and unpredictable it just doesn't seem like it comes through the gears right. Shifting from 3rd to 4th is something else.
Idle has varied rpm when in gear. Loved my edge on my 03' with only minor problems (all fixed quickly with folks from edge). Hopefully, these problems will be resovled soon enough.

As compared to my 03' 2500hd, my new 05' with edge seems to blow out alot more smoke even with slight acceleration. Level five seems to be clumsy and unpredictable it just doesn't seem like it comes through the gears right. Shifting from 3rd to 4th is something else.
Idle has varied rpm when in gear. Loved my edge on my 03' with only minor problems (all fixed quickly with folks from edge). Hopefully, these problems will be resovled soon enough.
What upgrades do u have to the alli?

Level 5 needs the alli upgrades, u are on the edge of limping it.

Also u need to run it for a while to get it to adjust to the extra power.

Myself, I just use level 5-5 for the passing gear boost/smoke screen ):h since I don't have the alli upgraded.

I have the same problems. My truck makes a bad noise especially in leval 5 and performance seems to be poor when that happens. Where I live it is 20 degrees and the chip does not seem to be working. I took the chip out of the truck and the engine runs fine. Edge said they were working on it but I spent $700 for something that is not working. Edge said they will stand behind their products but I would like to see this addressed soon.

1. 2004.5
2. Edge sticker mfg date Version 1.0 11/11/04
3. attitude Version 1.5 10/13/04
4. Runs fine. Has only barked twice in the two months i've had it.
5. Done nothing, runs fine.

I have the same problems. My truck makes a bad noise especially in leval 5 and performance seems to be poor when that happens. Where I live it is 20 degrees and the chip does not seem to be working. I took the chip out of the truck and the engine runs fine. Edge said they were working on it but I spent $700 for something that is not working. Edge said they will stand behind their products but I would like to see this addressed soon.My juice only works above 23*f, I've been talking to Edge also.
May have to experiment w/ trying to keep box warm, close to rad. hose or putting it on top of intake.

I just had the reflash after my dealer already told be they did it a while back :mad:

So it hasn't had the surge/bucking yet.

Dmax Tim, My juice was doing the same thing. I had it replaced and now it works fine.

Still nothing? That is pretty dissappointing. I really thought Edge would come through on this one.

Had my 05 "bark" on LVL1 today, was putin along in town, hit the 55MPH sign and nailed it, dropped a gear started to windup and then buck, jerk when I let off all was fine, truck has 12oo miles and edge w/ tuide was installed @ 400 miles. Could not make it do it again,:confused: temps in the high 30's, eng temp was 195/200.

Still nothing? That is pretty dissappointing. I really thought Edge would come through on this one.

I could'nt wait any longer - that's why I ordered the Predator today :)

Had my 05 "bark" on LVL1 today, was putin along in town, hit the 55MPH sign and nailed it, dropped a gear started to windup and then buck, jerk when I let off all was fine, truck has 12oo miles and edge w/ tuide was installed @ 400 miles. Could not make it do it again,:confused: temps in the high 30's, eng temp was 195/200.
Marty, that wasn't the 'bark', mine did that before I got the reflash and it hasn't done it since (2 weeks).
The day before I took mine in it was so bad w/ the jerking/bucking that on slight grade it did it constantly level 3 then 2 then 1 and was ok on level 0.
Check on a reflash for your 05.

i went with the predator, i run on 85 and its smooth and consistant... my pillar pod should be in tomorrow. no reason to go back to the edge if they arent going to fix their product, its now on the shelf collecting dust.

Tim- called the dealer today- they say no reflash for the build date of my truck, 12/20/04. Anyone have any other thoughts on a flash for the 05's?

Anyone hear anything from Edge for the "turbo bark" issue?? :confused:

Same problem here as others. -15* this morning here in toronto noticed it last night coming home to when it got colder outside. Truck had tons of power on my way home at 5pm. Went out later that night when temps dropped and it acts like the edge box is turned off. Same problem with slip monitor as everyone else yesterday said 100 all my way to work temps were colder outside again and no power from the box. After a while of fiddling with it power came back one and was fine I thought it was just a glitch. After reading here guess not. My truck seems to work fine like other have said when its warmer outside. When I first installed the box it was above 0 outside and my truck was a rocket. Cooled down and now its a slug again.

BTW what is the normal slip for this thing to read and why sometimes does it have a % sign next to the slip # and other times not? VERY happy with the warm weather performance NOT happy at all with cold weather. Was gonna call edge today guess there is no need to now.

Seems now that I have installed my Bra on the truck and keep the engine temp above 180 I have no problems. Once it hits 180 my edge kicks in. I also noticed that if I get it to 180 and I leave it idle and it goes back to say 160 when its really cold out the edge is still enabled.

Mine seems to work as advertised nearly all the time on my '04 LLY. I do get an occasional turbo cough (bark, whatever), usually coming from off-throttle to on throttle, but sometimes during hard accelleration as well. I'm pretty happy with the setup, but wish it was flawless. I also want the new Edge Attitude setup so I may be upgrading soon anyway.



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