Will running off-road fuel in my `96 cause any damage or will I be ok?

only if you get caught

wont hurt a thing. Actually it is pretty much the same exact stuff that you buy at the pump, it just has a lttle bit more sulphur, which is good because it lubricates the pump. i run off road all of the time (shhhhhh, dont tell the popos), and my dad runs it just about every tank.

Won't hurt the truck - just your $wallet$ if you get caught. ;)

only if you get caught
exactly:cool:

what is the fine?

Well where I am off road fuel costs more than diesel...Can you believe that!!! $3.67 for diesel and $3.78 for heating fuel. It dont add up especially when there is at least $.50 a gallon taxes on diesel. Somebody is making money and it aint me.

what is the fine?
its got lots of zeros after it i can tell you that:eek:

wont hurt a thing. Actually it is pretty much the same exact stuff that you buy at the pump, it just has a lttle bit more sulphur, which is good because it lubricates the pump. i run off road all of the time (shhhhhh, dont tell the popos), and my dad runs it just about every tank.

A couple little birdies told me that it is the exactly same stuff, it just gets dyed at the retail spot. No difference in lubricity.

the fine in Missouri is pretty stiff, they go by how much you have in your farm tank when you get caught. we calculated one time that if my neighbor got caught with a full farm tank of about 200 to 250 gallons it would be about $5000. that was calculated by figures given to us by the IRS lady that patrols Missouri catching people with it in their truck. this is controlled by the IRS because it's considered tax evasion.

Well where I am off road fuel costs more than diesel...Can you believe that!!! $3.67 for diesel and $3.78 for heating fuel. It dont add up especially when there is at least $.50 a gallon taxes on diesel. Somebody is making money and it aint me.

heating fuel and off road fuel are 2 different fuels off road fuel is the same as road fuel with a dye and without the tax.

heating fuel doesnt have all the aditives you need to run in a truck. i agree heating fuel should be alot cheaper.

maybe things here in mass are just different

Here in KY $5000.00 fine and possible jail time. My opinion is it aint worth it.

Here in KY $5000.00 fine and possible jail time. My opinion is it aint worth it.

The same can be said for running WVO. Same violation, same fine.

The same can be said for running WVO. Same violation, same fine.


Did I read that right? Are you saying that you can't run WVO in GA? If so, let me guess, any type of fuel used on-road need to be taxed. That's our G-men at work: one saying we need to reduce our dependency on foreign oil and the another one says that you can't use a fuel on road that they don't get their pound of flesh from:cussing::Wedgie:

what is offroad fuel? never heard of it?

Did I read that right? Are you saying that you can't run WVO in GA? If so, let me guess, any type of fuel used on-road need to be taxed. That's our G-men at work: one saying we need to reduce our dependency on foreign oil and the another one says that you can't use a fuel on road that they don't get their pound of flesh from:cussing::Wedgie:

Correct.

I do not believe running untaxed fuel on road in any licensed vehicle is legal anywhere in the US. If in doubt, call your local IRS office, they are from the Government, and are here to help. :D

BTW the majority of tax on motor vehicle fuel is FEDERAL tax, there are also state taxes added.

what is offroad fuel? never heard of it?


It is fuel that is sold without road taxes added. Usually dyed red.

It is fuel that is sold without road taxes added. Usually dyed red.


Also most offroad fuel still has 500 ppm sulfur. But it is being phased over the next 3-5 years down to I think 19 ppm.

Also most offroad fuel still has 500 ppm sulfur. But it is being phased over the next 3-5 years down to I think 19 ppm.

The catagory "off road fuel" also includes kerosene, heating oil, WVO, untaxed biodiesel, etc.

The ticket for being caught for running any of the above on public roads will read the same, and the fine will be the same as well.

The catagory "off road fuel" also includes kerosene, heating oil, WVO, untaxed biodiesel, etc.

The ticket for being caught for running any of the above on public roads will read the same, and the fine will be the same as well.

I was refering to "offroad diesel", "red diesel" or "farm diesel". This dyed diesel does not yet have to meet the low sulfur specs.

what is offroad fuel? never heard of it?

It's meant to be used in farm machinery and heavy equipment and is not subject to the road taxes. They dye it red so they can catch people running it in their regular road vehicles. When you buy it they deduct the tax and it's 30 to 40 cents cheaper per gallon than what we buy at the pump.

Also, VO is legal to use as a fuel additive...just not a fuel.

When I used to run propane, I could either pay road tax or purchase a alternative fuel sticker. When using the alternative sticker, you had to estamate the milage you drove in one year

Also, VO is legal to use as a fuel additive...just not a fuel.

So you can 15 gallons of VO to 5 gallons of diesel and become 20 gallons of diesel:D

it is exactly the same fuel with dye added to it..about .50 cents a gal. cheaper hear..until you get caught using it:eek:

I run the pink stuff all the time, but my truck is registered as a farm truck. The stuff I get is no different from regular pump fuel, just with an added dye.

wont hurt a thing. Actually it is pretty much the same exact stuff that you buy at the pump, it just has a lttle bit more sulphur, which is good because it lubricates the pump. i run off road all of the time (shhhhhh, dont tell the popos), and my dad runs it just about every tank.

My understanding is that it is NOT the sulfur the lubricates the pump. The process used to remove sulfur from diesel fuel also decreases the lubricity of the fuel. That does not indicate that sulfur is a lubricant.

Sincerely,

Rob :)

I work in the oil industry, (Systems Engineer for a major pipeline transportation company in the southeast) and there's different grades of fuel oil. The ULSD that's sold is grade 61,62,63,64,65,66. The old LSD is 74,75,76,77,78 grade and is higher in sulfer than the ULSD. Off road diesel is the same as the LSD but with dye added and is called 86 grade AFTER it's dyed. The 7X grades are being phased out over the next 24 months totally. (EPA is saying Jan 1, 2010) Home heating oil is also the LSD type product. The LSD type product if it's meant for diesel engines gets additives added after it's taken off the pipeline. The dye is added seperatly, home heating oil does not get the diesel engine additives but it does get dye. When it's batched from Houston, or Baton Rouge and sent up to Atlanta, Greensboro and eventually New York the ULSD is "bookended" with LSD currently on each end of the batch. When it's cut out into the ULSD tanks the LSD off each end is stripped into a seperate tank and the ULSD is taken out of the middle. (Heart cut) Once the LSD is stripped off, then it's delivered to the customer (Chevron, Shell, BP..etc) and they add the additives in their mixing tanks. Currently the dye is added to LSD as it's shipped to the customer, but within 24 months the customer will be responsible for that too. If a tank is used for dyed product, it must be chemically cleaned several times to get the dye out as it gets into the top layer pores of the steel in the tank. Very hard to get out and very expensive too. Mixing WVO with ULSD would not show up in the IRS tests for off road diesel as it containes no dye, the tests are for dye and not for the chemical makup of the fuel (no specific gravity testing that I know of YET that they use). We use the specific gravity of the product to determine where the "interface" is between the ULSD and LSD (all products in the pipeline). Hope that helps, clear as mud huh? :D
Don

if people can't run wvo because taxes. what about people driving electric cars? whats the diff.?

I run the pink stuff all the time, but my truck is registered as a farm truck. The stuff I get is no different from regular pump fuel, just with an added dye.


Here the police stop at all the farmer hangouts and slide a piece of clear plastic tubing into the tank and plug the end with their thumb and if its red you get a $5000 fine.

If its a licensed vehicle it cant run off road diesel in it even if it has farm plates.

I can get off road diesel for $0.25 cheaper a gal then on road. I wanted to use it but I dont like the fine and I heard you can get jail time over it.

The same is with WVO I read you can use 300gal and after that you have to turn it in for taxes. They will take your money any way they can. A friend lives in england and he said people over there are using the red diesel and putting something in it like oxy clean and it turns it white.

I've read all your posts about off road diesel and understand that you can get fined for using it if caught. Now my question is in a big city like Phoenix where I am from, what are the odds of the Police checking my fuel if I get pulled over? I have access to tons of off road diesel but got scared to use it from what I have read. Can the dealer tell I used it if they ever have to do work on my truck? And if they can tell do they have to report me?

The dealer might be able to tell, depending what they are doing. The pink will stain the fuel filter and so on, but there is a TSB stating it was fine to run dyed fuel. Some places it is legal to run dyed. IMHO there are hot spots that might get one dipped, and I wouldn't think in a major city would be one. Or if you run farm plates, that would increase dipping chances. We run farm plates on our semi, and when we got stopped, they normally just look in the tank, in the sun you can tell the color since the tank opening is so big.

It's not likely the dealer will care, I'd imagine, unless you tick them off for some reason.

Incidentally, someone mentioned Farm tags here. That makes no difference in regards to the fuel used. Anything with a 1 ton chassis can have farm tags, legally, in Ohio. However, that doesn't mean off-road fuel becomes legal to use for highway use.

It's not likely the dealer will care, I'd imagine, unless you tick them off for some reason.

Incidentally, someone mentioned Farm tags here. That makes no difference in regards to the fuel used. Anything with a 1 ton chassis can have farm tags, legally, in Ohio. However, that doesn't mean off-road fuel becomes legal to use for highway use.

I didn't mean that farm plates made it legal to run farm fuel, but rather it makes you more of a target because if you farm you likely have red diesel on hand. We run farm tags on our semi, and on my 74 c3500, and 86 f350 flatbeds, both gassers and both fit the requirements for farm plates. My dmax doesn't meet the requirements, nor do I run red, though with there prices it has become more tempting!!:D

I am in New Hampshire. We have a construction company and the DOT has been know to come on job sites and check the fuel in any vehicle that has a plate on it. If it has Dye in it it can cost $2500 and the can confiscate the vehicke. That is why we stopped running off road fuel in the rubber tire loaders and backhoes that have construction plates. We can get fines even if we are on the site but running off road fuel in the plate 924 CAT loader.

HOWEVER this is what hapened in Illinois with VEGATABLE oil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrteKrFDUQQ&feature=PlayList&p=F8687ECF6F81B834&index=0

I didn't mean that farm plates made it legal to run farm fuel, but rather it makes you more of a target because if you farm you likely have red diesel on hand. We run farm tags on our semi, and on my 74 c3500, and 86 f350 flatbeds, both gassers and both fit the requirements for farm plates. My dmax doesn't meet the requirements, nor do I run red, though with there prices it has become more tempting!!:D

I was referring to the comment made by Primer.

I was referring to the comment made by Primer.

No problem, I read my comment and was not sure I was clear.

later

A friend with a ford diesel said the dealer told him if they worked on the truck and found it had red diesel in it any warranty was over, even a factory warranty.

We all know how informed Dealers are. As long as you are running the proper sulfer content fuel they couldn't void your warranty legally. When you buy a vehicle they can't tell you that you can't use it exclusively on a farm where there is no need to pay road taxes. They could only void the warranty on parts effected by running a high or higher sulfer fuel in a vehicle equipped to handle a low sulfer or ultra low sulfer fuel.

Did I read that right? Are you saying that you can't run WVO in GA? If so, let me guess, any type of fuel used on-road need to be taxed. That's our G-men at work: one saying we need to reduce our dependency on foreign oil and the another one says that you can't use a fuel on road that they don't get their pound of flesh from:cussing::Wedgie:
Regardless of state laws, the FEDERAL EPA has not certified WVO as a legal alternative fuel, thus it's currently a violation of EPA laws to run it in pure form. Not saying it's right or wrong, just stating the facts.

HOWEVER this is what hapened in Illinois with VEGATABLE oil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrteKrFDUQQ&feature=PlayList&p=F8687ECF6F81B834&index=0
This battle was on a state level. If the EPA stepped in this elderly gentleman would have a huge problem because of what I stated above.

However, the EPA has certified BioDiesel as an alternative fuel and is in compliance with all applicable federal emissions standards, WVO is not. It is legal to produce your own BD and run it tax free on US roadways. The EPA is concerned with emissions, not taxes which is why they're totally uninterested in electric vehicles.

i have a buddy who drives a furd and the dealer told him if he used dyed diesel it would wreck his engine. i laughed. aparently no farmers drive furds or gmc. hahahah

I have also heard of voided warranties if there is dye in the fuels system. That is just a loophole dealers try o get through if they can since they don't make as much money on warranty work.

I have also heard of voided warranties if there is dye in the fuels system. That is just a loophole dealers try o get through if they can since they don't make as much money on warranty work.

Thats what a friend said the dealer told him if they find the red fuel in your truck.

I run the pink stuff all the time, but my truck is registered as a farm truck. The stuff I get is no different from regular pump fuel, just with an added dye.

That is hilarious...please put the video of you telling the judge that on youtube for our entertainment:)

Won't home heating fuel gel up in the colder weather? I had heard this from someone in the past. Can get down to 10 degrees at night here. Wondering if that was true.

Won't home heating fuel gel up in the colder weather? I had heard this from someone in the past. Can get down to 10 degrees at night here. Wondering if that was true.

Some people had that problem here when it gets down below 0 if they have a tank outside the house. But all you do is add some cold weather treatment.