I saw GM's prototype for the 2010 Suburban with the new 4.5 liter Duramax diesel today at the RV Trade Show in Louisville. Great looking vehicle and should be a terrific candidate for a tow vehicle for members pulling travel trailers. I took a bunch of photo's,
click here to see four of them (http://irv2.infopop.cc/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=8076099152&f=1496073452&m=6161002164&r=6161002164#6161002164).

Richard

looks good Ive been waiting for something like this for a long time. Now I know what the wifes next car is going to be.

I really hope the diesel option is on all light duty trucks & SUV's. They will sell a ton of them.

Aside from that big black piece of plastic hiding the engine (looks like it could come right off w/ no ill effects anyway), the engine bay looks pretty clean. Looks like you will be able to get to stuff relatively easily.

I must say I am excited and disappointed at the same time. I wish the 4.5 would be in the half ton sub and the 3/4 ton sub would get the 6.6l. Oh well, guess I'll have to keep dreaming.

Did anyone else notice the quadrasteer?

I must say I am excited and disappointed at the same time. I wish the 4.5 would be in the half ton sub and the 3/4 ton sub would get the 6.6l. Oh well, guess I'll have to keep dreaming.
that 4.5 has as much power as a LB7 300/520 will be more than enough to handle a 13k tag trailer

im sure efi live will have updates on it with shortly after it is relased:D

Did anyone else notice the quadrasteer?
no quadrasteer on these... yet.. just a straight axle.. the rear flare do look nice tho:cool:

There is no Quadrasteer. The similar style fenders, yes, but just a "Wider axle" as stated in some of the publications. Trust me, I'd have noticed.

Damn, you guys post too fast. ;)

that 4.5 has as much power as a LB7 300/520 will be more than enough to handle a 13k tag trailer

im sure efi live will have updates on it with shortly after it is relased:D
I hope so too (I want one!) - it's a new Bosch controller (different to the LBZ and LMM) so we will have to wait until we can get our hands on one to start the process. I have no idea how similar or different this controller is, but if going the appearance of the ECM has anything to do with it there is ALOT of development ahead!

edit: Just looked at the photos - that's the same one they had on display at SEMA.

Cheers
Cindy

Yah this could possibly be the biggest thing Gm has done in the engine department since the small block. I know thats a big statement but this could spawn off all sorts of other diesel powered vehicles reigniting the diesel movement that never was in the 90's

Can't wait for one to replace wife's 07 that gets only 11 to12 mpg in town.

great pics!!! can't wait until production!!

If you go oversees, all small pickups have diesel engines, even GM. Ford Ranger's in Thailand look just like they do here, except they have very few options and diesel engines. In fact, did not see one pickup of van that wasn't a diesel. The tecnnology is out there, they just have to decide to bring it to us.

Im gonna have one of those.

that 4.5 has as much power as a LB7 300/520 will be more than enough to handle a 13k tag trailer



That is the truth. My old LB7 did great with a harley in the truck bed and a 12K tag trailer:D.

I want the 4.5 in a Yukon:D

Single turbo or Twins??

Single turbo or Twins??

My understanding is it's a single

Any idae of what transfer case they will run under it?

Any idae of what transfer case they will run under it?
my gues either a part time or optional full time/autotrac 4x4 t-case

anyone heard what teh starting price would be for the suburban with a diesel in it?...i'd love one of those for my wife...then maybe i'd get to drive our truck

anyone heard what teh starting price would be for the suburban with a diesel in it?...i'd love one of those for my wife...then maybe i'd get to drive our truck
witht he diesel option ~4000-5000 o above the normal 37k-50k the run

310 HP.
520 lb FT Torque.
No Quadrasteer, just rear wheel flares with a wider rear axle.


http://www.irv2.com/photopost/data/500/medium/100_2004a.JPG

That is a real basic spec sheet. You can tell they are not letting to much out of the box yet. I hope this thing tows like the Excursion's did with the diesel. I know it was a 6.0 No Go but it was better than a gas motor they offered.

this thing is gonna be sick...maybe once I finish school, I'll get one for the wife

noiiiice!

I hope so too (I want one!) - it's a new Bosch controller (different to the LBZ and LMM) so we will have to wait until we can get our hands on one to start the process. I have no idea how similar or different this controller is, but if going the appearance of the ECM has anything to do with it there is ALOT of development ahead!

edit: Just looked at the photos - that's the same one they had on display at SEMA.

Cheers
Cindy


I wonder why its a different ECM than the LBZ and LMM?

my gues either a part time or optional full time/autotrac 4x4 t-case

I pretty much gaurantee it wont be an autotrac xfer case. They cant even make those live behind 8.1's.

they should just drop in an NP205 :D

I wonder why its a different ECM than the LBZ and LMM?

New design with the injection process I guess is the reason...

can't wait to see in person

Too Bad It Will Be 60 Grand

Too Bad It Will Be 60 Grand


Yeah, thats too bad. That means only my wife gets one first, then I can get mine 6 months later. :eek:

I wonder why its a different ECM than the LBZ and LMM?

I don't know, mabe they figured Ross needed a new Bosch challange......

Cheers
Cindy

With diesel being 30-40 cents more than PREMIUM GAS, why would anyone but those who need the extra torque for towing buy these things? Am I missing something? I would love to have a duramax tahoe but it is pretty hard to justify when I can get premium gas for 30-40 cents cheaper and the diesel option will likely be pricey as well. I love the technology but I think it is too late, the oil companies are going to kill these vehicles before they have a chance to get off the ground with the insane diesel prices.

Article about this rig in the new Diesel Power mag.

With diesel being 30-40 cents more than PREMIUM GAS, why would anyone but those who need the extra torque for towing buy these things? Am I missing something? I would love to have a duramax tahoe but it is pretty hard to justify when I can get premium gas for 30-40 cents cheaper and the diesel option will likely be pricey as well. I love the technology but I think it is too late, the oil companies are going to kill these vehicles before they have a chance to get off the ground with the insane diesel prices.

"Current" diesel prices are indeed 30-40 cents above premium gas, however that's what, 10-12%? Doesn't a diesel return roughly 25% improved fuel efficiency over a comparable gasser? Seems like it's still a bargain. The ultimate question is how future gas/diesel prices will compare. If anybody knows that, they aren't telling.

The other incentive is the opportunity to run biodiesel, which has the potential of being much less expensive than dinodiesel. I just hope GM certifies this for more than B5.

I don't know, mabe they figured Ross needed a new Bosch challange......

Cheers
Cindy

E86 ECM? I assume Bosch? :eek:

Ross cant catch a break can he! ):h

see we LB7 and LLY guys dont give ross any trouble with our plain and simple ECM's...Its those LBZ and LMM guys that are a PITA :D :p:

"Current" diesel prices are indeed 30-40 cents above premium gas, however that's what, 10-12%? Doesn't a diesel return roughly 25% improved fuel efficiency over a comparable gasser? Seems like it's still a bargain. The ultimate question is how future gas/diesel prices will compare. If anybody knows that, they aren't telling.

The other incentive is the opportunity to run biodiesel, which has the potential of being much less expensive than dinodiesel. I just hope GM certifies this for more than B5.


According to Gasbuddy.com you are looking at a diference of 30 cents a gallon at least, from my experience with my LBZ duramax I get about 14 mpg. Interestingly enough diesel is almost a dollar more/gallon than this same time last year. Also biodiesel in my area is only 10 cents cheaper than regular diesel. The gas models of my vehicle have mpg approximately the same as what I get. The only benefit to me is the additional horsepower/toque of the diesel. How many people would by a duramax suburban or tahoe for more torque/horsepower? Additionally if you add in the cost of the diesel option which will probably be $3500.00 or more, it just does not compute. If GM manages to get more than 20MPG out of this engine then it might start to make sense, but I just don't see that happening. I would love to see this thing be a hit but I just dont see the oil companies allowing their profits to tumble any time soon.

FYI:

http://www.sae.org/automag/technewsletter/080108Tech/01.htm

I was really looking forward to seeing this thing at the Portland International Auto Show........wasn't there. I was a kinda pissed sounds like it's been everywhere else :confused:. What gives. I ask some guy :shootselfwho was answering questions on the Chevy vehicles where I could find it on display he gives me a blank look and then proceeds to tell me that they aren't going to make a diesel suburban in 2010. I just thanked him and walked off. Kinda Lame really. Porsche's Ferrari Maserati's Lambo's.......but no diesel BURB!:rolleyes:

I was at the Detroit Auto show and didn't see the diesel burban either. I was hoping to get a first hand glance but no such luck.

I wouldn't mind a set of those 20's:rolleyes:

excuse my tounge but **** these burbs. might have a nice motor but damn are they ugly!!

its sad how everything is all about god dam luxary these days. the thing looks like a freakin cadillac!! wtf?? what happened to the good ol rugged lookin pickups/burbs/tahoes??????????

bring the old bodystyles back GM!!!!!:cussing:

To each their own. I love the look of the New Burbs, Yukons and Tahoes. Me I want a Yukon Denali with the diesel, in the short version:D

I want an Escalade with a HP version of the duramax.