Hi Guys-
I just bought a brand new 07' LMM crew cab 4x4. I'm wanting to lift it and have been doing some research on what I will like... or at least what i think I will like. I'm looking for something that will have the support but also have a good ride. I went into 4 Wheel Parts today to get some suggestions and quotes. Here is the quote I left with:

8" Fabtech Lift
Dual Dirt Logic Reservoir shocks on each side up front
Single Dirt Logic no reservoir on the rear
Diamo Wheels 17 Karat - 18x10
35/12.50R18 Pro Comp Extreme Tire

Price Installed with 3yr parts/labor & tire warranty: $7700.00

I use my truck for day to day driving, going to the mountains to ride dirt bikes, and pulling my 35' Travel Trailer.

I went to 4 Wheel Parts because I am not skilled enough to put my own lift in... nor have the tools to do it.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

Do you think 35" tires are going to be a little small for an 8" lift?

go with 37's on a 8 inch lift. looks better but u might wanna regear and u might need to trim alil fender in the front. the price is in the ballpark. i priced the same lift and it was about 2900 for the lift with rear springs, no blocks and 2400 for the dirt logics. nice lift too.

Agreed I have 35"s on a 6" fabtech with some trim and tightening torsion bars they would be way to small for an 8" lift.

Are you concerned about the added frount track width on the Fabtech lift? The tires will stick out at least 1.5" on each side! RCD and Tough Coutry only add 3/8" on each side and cost a lot less and fit better.

As far as the tires go 37" with a 8" lift and 35" with a 6" lift. If you go 8" lift and 37" tires you WILL need to re-gear your truck and reprogram your ABS system at the dealership. So remeber those costs also.

My experience with 4wheel parts is that they just want to get your truck lifted and then sell you all of the extras you need later.

My $.02

Don't get a fab tech lift there are better options.

I certainly wouldn't pay $7700 to lift my truck. But what ever floats your boat. They are probably not giving you any kind of a package deal at that price

Do you think 35" tires are going to be a little small for an 8" lift?


NO!:cool:

NO!:cool:


YES with the NBS

Are you concerned about the added frount track width on the Fabtech lift? The tires will stick out at least 1.5" on each side! RCD and Tough Coutry only add 3/8" on each side and cost a lot less and fit better.


You are referring to the old Fabtech lift which did increase 1.5" per side, the new Fabtech 8" only increases your track a 1/2" per side.

sebenza, here is a pic of my truck with the 8" Fabtech and 37x13.50's on 20x10's. My truck has 2 turns on each torsion bar and clears this setup good with minor trimming.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d83/PerformanceWest/trucktrailer009.jpg?t=1192496589 (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:void(0);)

YES with the NBS

Thats OK then. :D ):h

Do you think 35" tires are going to be a little small for an 8" lift?
I think they look OK.

sebenza, here is a pic of my truck with the 8" Fabtech and 37x13.50's on 20x10's. My truck has 2 turns on each torsion bar and clears this setup good with minor trimming.


How do you like the lift? Do you like the ride? Did you have to re-gear?

I think they look OK.

Actually, I take that back... Im not sure they would look so great on a NBS.

How do you like the lift? Do you like the ride? Did you have to re-gear?


You don't have to regear with any size tire. You can limp it along. But with 35" or bigger tires you really should. All these trucks (2500) now come with 3.73gears and two overdrives, they are already a touch over geared from the factory.

When you regear your fuel mileage and performance will be much better, lower EGT's cruising on the highway, and much much easier on the transmission. I waited a few months before regearing and thought it wasn't that bad with 35's, but after I did regear, wow, just wish I would have done it right away.

How do you like the lift? Do you like the ride? Did you have to re-gear?
I have liked the lift so far, you won't confuse the ride with a luxury car but considering it's a heavy duty truck on 37" mud tires I would say it rides pretty dang good. I am using Bilstein shocks all the way around so I'm not sure how it will compare to the ride of the Dirt logics. I haven't re-geared but it's something I am thinking about, I can't decide between 4.10's and 4.56's. I can see how re-gearing would be an advantage since it's clearly lost some of it's pep and mileage.

I have an appointment on the 12th to regear my truck I decided to go with 4.10's since I'm only running 35's.

YES with the NBS

LMMKING-
Did you have to do much trimming with the 6" lift? What all has to be trimmed?

For the gear ratios you can take the new tire size (diameter) and divide that by the old tires size, multiplying that number by the 3.73 (current axle ratio). The resulting number is the ratio you would need to retian stock characteristics (purely mathematically, does not take into consideration tire weight, wind drage, bladdiddy frickin bla).

I have an appointment on the 12th to regear my truck I decided to go with 4.10's since I'm only running 35's.

From a 3.73 to a 4.10??? Why??? To a 4.56 I can see, but a 4.10. Hardley noticeable. No bash, just curious.

Sam

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I have an appointment on the 12th to regear my truck I decided to go with 4.10's since I'm only running 35's.

From a 3.73 to a 4.10??? Why??? To a 4.56 I can see, but a 4.10. Hardley noticeable. No bash, just curious.

Sam

Don't waste your money on 4.10's. These (06 and newer) 6-speeds need a touch more gear than what the factory installed. 4.56 is perfect for 35 - 36 inch tires. 37's will be close also. a little extra gear will only help these trucks. Sooooo many people are stuck with the mentality of lower RPM's improve fuel economy, that is only true to a point. When you lug these trucks they burn more fuel. Until it is regeared pull it back to 5th at highway cruise speeds and you will see. I experimented all the way to Colorado and back (from Tx) trying every programmer setting and the stock or lowest (economy tune) netted the best economy in 5th gear. As soon as I got back I regeared and wow, I forgot how it ran with the pizza cutters! LOL!

WOW...$7700 for a lift seems insane!! I also got quoted on a lift from 4WheelParts. They seemed to be quite high.

4 wheel parts is a clip joint, check around. They care about money only, NOT your truck. For 7700$ they better gold plate your lift kit.

Everyone is "bagging" the price. This price includes wheels and tires along with upgrades to the suspension. Along with labor, is it really all that bad??? I don't see it being that far out of line myself. No bash, just my 02.

Sam

LMMKING-
Did you have to do much trimming with the 6" lift? What all has to be trimmed?



The frount of the fender well 3" all the way across and the back trimmed up level with the sheet metal all the way across. After that you will have no issues with rubbing 35" tires and you don't have to sacrifice your ride quality by cranking up your t-bars.

BTW, paid $5,100 after tradding in my stock wheels for my setup and it came with a 3 year, 30,000 mile waranty

For the gear ratios you can take the new tire size (diameter) and divide that by the old tires size, multiplying that number by the 3.73 (current axle ratio). The resulting number is the ratio you would need to retian stock characteristics (purely mathematically, does not take into consideration tire weight, wind drage, bladdiddy frickin bla).

Good info! Mine works out to be 4.52, so 4.56's are the clear choice in my situation.

The frount of the fender well 3" all the way across and the back trimmed up level with the sheet metal all the way across.

Do you have any pics of where exactly you cut? Sorry if this is a stupid question but im getting ready to buy my lift kit and i want to know where ill be cutting since im going with 37s.
(BTW, its hard to save up for a lift when im only a Sys. Admin. ;))

When I regeared my truck 2 months ago the 4.56 was not an option, so i went with the 4.11's and added a eaton locker to the front to help the true trac in the rear. Lift, tires, rims, gears f/r lockers f/r $9K. However, 4 wheel parts would not do the gears so I went somewhere else. My advice is to do your homework and check around for others that have used the shop and check the BBB in your area about any complaints against the shops. just my $0.02

I did my Tufcountry 6" with bilsteins, KMC wheels and Toyo 35" A/T's for less then $4,000. I did it myself. It seems like 4wheel parts is charging about $3,000 labor. I have stock gears and wish I had 456's with the 6 speed ali.

My quote has labor at 975.00, tax at 478.00. I am gonna work up my own quote now based on prices I find on the internet. I am also going to price out the 6" vs 8" I think.

rims and tires buy them self are going to be 1,500 to 2,100 depnding on what you go with i priced out a cognito kit with every thing they had and every upgrade and it was about 5,100 thts with dual fox2.0 upper controll arms heim tie rods the base kit deavers and fox 2.0 in th rear and a couple other things . so it really deonds on wht options and what not you want to go with 7,100 with rims tires seems about the middle of the road to me not high not low jmo

Do you have any pics of where exactly you cut? Sorry if this is a stupid question but im getting ready to buy my lift kit and i want to know where ill be cutting since im going with 37s.
(BTW, its hard to save up for a lift when im only a Sys. Admin. ;))


Sorry about that, just got a little fired up.

The front of the well just needs to be taken up about 2-3" all the way across the front. (notice well is now higher than the bumper)

On the back side, the well hangs lower than the body of the truck. Just trim that up flush with the body line.

Should be good

Thanks for the picture. Now i know what you guys mean when you talk about cutting the fender well.

I did my Tufcountry 6" with bilsteins, KMC wheels and Toyo 35" A/T's for less then $4,000. I did it myself. It seems like 4wheel parts is charging about $3,000 labor. I have stock gears and wish I had 456's with the 6 speed ali.

for what its worth...4wheel parts quoted me 2500$ to install my 8" fabtech including 4 dirt logic rese's and 2 non rese's (I would have to by the shocks from them) havent had time to check around...does that seem high?:confused:

what does it cost to have your gears done?? is that someting i can do myself?

They are probably charging around $500.00 labor, which is about the going rate. Make sure they have the upgraded fabtech lift with the new narrower knuckles.
They would have to give you a break down on all the parts to figure out the exact cost. Also make sure they include the alignment.

They are probably charging around $500.00 labor, which is about the going rate. Make sure they have the upgraded fabtech lift with the new narrower knuckles.
They would have to give you a break down on all the parts to figure out the exact cost. Also make sure they include the alignment.


that does include alignment, the kit is used that they are putting on. Any idea when they started using the narrower track? They guy from Fabtech email me today saying if it was a newer kit it should have come with the narrower setup. Im just now sure what "newer" means.

It's possible they are selling you the older kit. Check around lots of shops are offering great deals write now. Ithink the new fabtech kits are around $1,200 OTD. The shocks can cost some bucks though. Check some of the venders on this site and jackit for comparisons.

I think fabtech is a good lift for that truck, and 4 wheel parts will price match any competitor for install, so shop around and see how thae price compares.