Hi folks. Haven't been around for the last few days I know, just been busy with the holiday. A few more days and I should be a little more active again. Thanks for all the input on my previous thread... :)

After dealing with all kinds of WVO troubles over the last few weeks, here's what ended up happening...

It was about 33 degrees out. Raining profusely, a little snow mixed in... Frankly just plain nasty weather.

I fueled up on WVO with a full tank of diesel fuel on the driver's side. I popped in a new auxillary filter to be on the safe side. WVO temps seem to run like 160 degrees with my new system.

Then I warmed up the truck, switched tanks, and then got on the ramp onto the freeway. Ran for about ten minutes on that, then got off onto a 55 mph two lane and ran that for another few hours.

Drove for two and a half hours on WVO... No issues.

Anyway, a few observations.

Truck seems to run pretty nice on WVO... It gets real quiet on the stuff. At idle it pretty much sounds like a gas engine with something rattling underneath it... Kind of odd. If I nail it it really goes... Seems a little more powerful. Wonder if the oil effectively changes ignition timing. Still smokes very heavy black if I floor it just like on diesel (pump is turned up a little too far). Smells interesting. But I already knew all this stuff from my previous experiments.

Another observation, this one perhaps a little negative. Since the trip I notice that when the engine is running on diesel it is significantly louder than it was before, especially during a cold start. During a cold start it sounds like kind of a combination of a Cummins and a Powerstroke... Pretty neat sounding actually but I'm curious as to why it is doing it. The rattle gets distinctly louder when the engine is under load but disappears if I nail it. For example if I let the clutch out with the engine idling the rattle gets quite loud. Sounds like the pump timing is advanced, but I didn't change it. The timing advance is functioning, I haven't measured the precise amount but it is working. Performance is not reduced at all, perhaps even a little improved over before. Thought about backing the timing off but don't really want to change anything just yet until I figure out what is going on. Seems like the timing is advanced for some reason, if anybody has any thoughts let me know...

Over all I would say that the WVO experience is a good one. Needs a little work perhaps to complete the development stage (having a few problems with the lines getting covered in ice and effectively reversing the effect of the heaters in the freezing rain) but I'm getting there. Still curious about the noise changes. I've been running diesel around town for a couple days since my trip on WVO and it hasn't quieted down at all.

I'd be interested to hear any opinions... Let me know what you think! :)

as for the adverse in your statement how long are you letting it run after you switch back to diesel before you shut it down what kind of filters do you have under the hood the spin ons or the cartridge just curious

when i switch mine from veg to diesel it takes a minimum of 15 minutes to flush it all out of the filters and pump/ inj lines if you are cruising considerably less time i usually switch back when i am on the move about 5 minutes before the homestead to clear out all the veg there will always be a lil remnant in there but as cold as its been it will cause the injectors to stick and react a lot slower not to mention the pump piston thats what i have found and wvo hates the cold ahahahhah

been 20 degrees here and its been a challenge but in search of cheaper fuel its a big go

got 5 gallons of diesel today was over 15 bucks my jaw dropped at 3.38 a gallon

i can get virgin veg at sams club for 2 bux a gallon there is something seriously wrong here lol

3.79 a gallon here for diesel

3.55 for it upstate NY. Regular gas is around $3.20 for the cheap stuff.

Been interesting to follow these WVO threads, if I ever get a trans into this truck (points at avatar) I may see about going to WVO with it.

as for the adverse in your statement how long are you letting it run after you switch back to diesel before you shut it down what kind of filters do you have under the hood the spin ons or the cartridge just curious

when i switch mine from veg to diesel it takes a minimum of 15 minutes to flush it all out of the filters and pump/ inj lines if you are cruising considerably less time i usually switch back when i am on the move about 5 minutes before the homestead to clear out all the veg there will always be a lil remnant in there but as cold as its been it will cause the injectors to stick and react a lot slower not to mention the pump piston thats what i have found and wvo hates the cold ahahahhah

been 20 degrees here and its been a challenge but in search of cheaper fuel its a big go

got 5 gallons of diesel today was over 15 bucks my jaw dropped at 3.38 a gallon

i can get virgin veg at sams club for 2 bux a gallon there is something seriously wrong here lol


I have the cartridge, box-style filter under the hood so it does hold a bit of fuel. Takes a while to purge out when I switch. I have run the truck on standard diesel fuel (with a liberal dose of power service additive) only for a couple days worth of driving around town and it hasn't quieted down at all. That's why I'm a little concerned is because it hasn't gone back to normal... I suspected that maybe it changed the injector spray pattern somehow, I don't know though. Doesn't sound quite right.

I don't even know how much diesel fuel is these days. I quit paying attention a long time ago. I know it is in the neighborhood of $3.75/gal.

$3.75 here

i have noticed some of the same things running on WVO

quiter, more power, blacker smoke.

my '82 won't run on 100% dsl, but then it didn't when i bought it. i think it has to do with how worn the IP is.

my '99 6.5 doesn't seem any different, other than the smell :)

it would be interesting to see if you backed the timing a bit if your truck would run better on dsl.

i have wondered if having a slightly thicker fuel (wvo) changes the timing a bit. i have played around with the IP timing so that i am getting the best results on WVO because that is mostly what i am using.

O/T, but i had a 1977 KZ 400 a long time ago, it was goat crap brown. and when i traded it in, it had 114k miles on it and it was wore the f--k out, i ran that bike at redline more than anything i ever owned! lol

hell i know the fealing but mine was a 78 gs 759 burnt orange tank and the rest Heinz 57 lol i finally cooked the rings at about 45000 miles and then sold it shortly thereafter i dont think there was a day i didnt red line that ole beast but it was fun and i only bought it for 200 originally was a fun first bike haahhaah

i can get virgin veg at sams club for 2 bux a gallon there is something seriously wrong here lol
! What kind of oil is it? I always watch the veggie oil prices @ "The Club" and I have never seen oil less than 3 dollars a gallon, and that was over a year ago.

Well, I ran out of veg oil and couldn't find a dry source (don't have the capability to dry a real wet oil yet) so I had to make a trip on #2... The noise went away over the trip. That answers that question. Must have been residual VO in the lines.

Sure can't keep driving it on diesel. Half a tank of fuel was $46... :eek: I'm filling 55 gallons drums with WVO...

The cheapest fresh veggie I've seen is about the same price as diesel right now ($3.50-$3.75/gal). Most places are far more expensive than diesel fuel currently, but the gap is closing... :eek:

Still have a few things to work out with the WVO but the pressure is on.

That is my second KZ400. Nice bikes. Not real fast or anything but nice little bikes. I also had a KZ440LTD, that was probably even nicer. Very comfortable, easy to handle bikes and still capable. There's pics of the first one in my garage... Here's a couple pics of my new one. Off topic but hey...

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s314/HS2500/014-2.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s314/HS2500/012-1.jpg

very sharp looking bike.

glad you found out what the problem was, once i get ahold of a diesel i'm going to convert it to veggy oil since most of my driving the motor is running for long periods of time.

Thanks! I was amazed when I got it... Less than 7K original miles... :D

I still have work to do on the veggie system. Filtering is still something of an issue. I haven't quite found a filtering method I really like. In additon removing the water is somewhat tricky. Still working on it though...

Yeah, nice bike!

My first street bike was a Honda CM400T. I bought it for $400 (I even arranged to make 4 payments of $100, because I was too broke to afford the whole thing all at once!). It was even the same color as yours!

I still have work to do on the veggie system. Filtering is still something of an issue. I haven't quite found a filtering method I really like. In additon removing the water is somewhat tricky. Still working on it though...

simplest way to filter is make "socks" out of used jeans and use thick wire to make loops at the top and suspend 4 of them by cutting holes in the lid of a 55 gallon drum and pour/pump the oil in them; then use a water heater element and thermostat to heat the oil in there to 90 F or so overnight, then use a barrel pump with golden rod 10 mic filter to pump it into the tank. You would of course need to weld a 1" pipe fitting near the base of the barrel for the heating element and make sure the element is fully submerged in oil before turning on. This basic concept will remove a lot of the moisture if not most of it.

the best way, in my opinion, is vacuum dewatering and that is eventually where i am heading. goodtunes has it down, probably why he has been greasin for so long.

Paul

simplest way to filter is make "socks" out of used jeans and use thick wire to make loops at the top and suspend 4 of them by cutting holes in the lid of a 55 gallon drum and pour/pump the oil in them; then use a water heater element and thermostat to heat the oil in there to 90 F or so overnight, then use a barrel pump with golden rod 10 mic filter to pump it into the tank. You would of course need to weld a 1" pipe fitting near the base of the barrel for the heating element and make sure the element is fully submerged in oil before turning on. This basic concept will remove a lot of the moisture if not most of it.

the best way, in my opinion, is vacuum dewatering and that is eventually where i am heading. goodtunes has it down, probably why he has been greasin for so long.

Paul yes gotta get the water out that has to be done or your pump will corrode and grenade also get some ph strips and check the ph of the unfiltered oil before you put it into your settlingtank sometimes if they overcook the oil they will creat acids in the oil can be corrected but be careful with that

! What kind of oil is it? I always watch the veggie oil prices @ "The Club" and I have never seen oil less than 3 dollars a gallon, and that was over a year ago.

i am using conola when i goto phoenix i will grab about 30 5 gallon totes from sams club the more you buy the better the discount to an extent we get an extra 25 % off cause we are a business and it all comes back up with us with the exception of 1 5 gallon tote lol that goes straight in hahahahahhahha

Yeah, nice bike!

My first street bike was a Honda CM400T. I bought it for $400 (I even arranged to make 4 payments of $100, because I was too broke to afford the whole thing all at once!). It was even the same color as yours!

Yeah, I love the color. The paint is in great shape too. There isn't a single nick in the fuel tank. I paid $350 for that bike (obviously it wasn't all cleaned up or running - I did all that and it still isn't quite done). It came with a clear title and I later found all the original documentation under the seat while I was cleaning it... :D Not sure why it was put away all those years. When I got it running I did put a coil on it (no spark on one side, dual tower coil), maybe that's it.

I think the CM400 had that hondamatic if I recall correctly (perhaps that was just the CM400A, I'm not sure). I'm familiar with those, pretty nice bikes...

simplest way to filter is make "socks" out of used jeans and use thick wire to make loops at the top and suspend 4 of them by cutting holes in the lid of a 55 gallon drum and pour/pump the oil in them; then use a water heater element and thermostat to heat the oil in there to 90 F or so overnight, then use a barrel pump with golden rod 10 mic filter to pump it into the tank. You would of course need to weld a 1" pipe fitting near the base of the barrel for the heating element and make sure the element is fully submerged in oil before turning on. This basic concept will remove a lot of the moisture if not most of it.

the best way, in my opinion, is vacuum dewatering and that is eventually where i am heading. goodtunes has it down, probably why he has been greasin for so long.

Paul

I have been using jeans for filtration but I haven't quite got it down to a science. I have a bunch of 55 gallon drums laying around so i'll have to give it a shot... Thanks for the idea! I'll have to vary it a bit because my system has to be mobile and is probably going to be somewhat exposed to the elements (on the road a lot so I need to be able to take my filtration system with me - plus I have no place to put it other than in my truck and I don't park in a garage ):h).

yes gotta get the water out that has to be done or your pump will corrode and grenade also get some ph strips and check the ph of the unfiltered oil before you put it into your settlingtank sometimes if they overcook the oil they will creat acids in the oil can be corrected but be careful with that



i am using conola when i goto phoenix i will grab about 30 5 gallon totes from sams club the more you buy the better the discount to an extent we get an extra 25 % off cause we are a business and it all comes back up with us with the exception of 1 5 gallon tote lol that goes straight in hahahahahhahha

I've been thinking about the acid aspect of things, I wonder how much of an issue that is though. Especially with the source I've been using - they change their oil quite frequently...

thats good but imo you cannever be to safe as far as that goes i hate changing pumps and injectors when i dont need to do it lol

i just have some ph strips that you use for a swmming pool and just dip it real quick then i can tell weather to take or not

i havnt taken in a long while i have been buying virgin at sams but thats just me bein lazy lol i have about 600 gallons in drums ready to go but will hold off in that for a bit
the process takes a while to go through but is worth it i need to get started collecting again here soon to get some more banked

my next venture is going to be in solar hear really quick my 120 a month electric bills are really getting to me i am hating it damn women hahaha always leavin the lights on and crap

my next venture is going to be in solar hear really quick my 120 a month electric bills are really getting to me i am hating it damn women hahaha always leavin the lights on and crap


is $120/month considered a lot for electric? that sounds cheap to me.
i still don't understand why you are buying the stuff if you have so much laying around...

Paul

120 a month for electric is nothin man. my electric bill was higher than that during summertime in my 600 sq ft apartment in midland texas. highest was 265 when i had the t-stat set at 80, dropped to 160 when i raised the temp to 85 the next month.

Yeah, I love the color. The paint is in great shape too. There isn't a single nick in the fuel tank. I paid $350 for that bike (obviously it wasn't all cleaned up or running - I did all that and it still isn't quite done). It came with a clear title and I later found all the original documentation under the seat while I was cleaning it... :D Not sure why it was put away all those years. When I got it running I did put a coil on it (no spark on one side, dual tower coil), maybe that's it.

I think the CM400 had that hondamatic if I recall correctly (perhaps that was just the CM400A, I'm not sure). I'm familiar with those, pretty nice bikes...
The CM400A had the Crazy 'Ol Hondamatic. The CM400T had the normal transmission. It was a good bike, but I was a dumb kid and ran it out of oil. The timing chain broke, doubled over, and wedged itself between the sproket and the crank-case housing. Ever have your rear tire lock solid while going 60 mph? I have. What fun.

little white knuckle riding there man?

Ever have your rear tire lock solid while going 60 mph? I have. What fun.
That's gotta be easier on the bike than having your front tire lock up at any speed!

It was tons of fun. I only wish it would have happened when I was in town. That way someone could have witnessed the feat of herculean driving I pulled off! That thing was sliding sideways, crossways, every which way! It was not bad, though, because even though I was out in the country, I was less than a quarter mile from my uncle's farm, so I really didn't have to walk very far!

Yeah, I had an old CB350 some years ago. Got it running pretty nice, seemed to be running good... Cruising along at about 35 and the motor just siezed all the sudden. Interesting at best... :eek: Definitely scary stuff. Wouldn't want to try it any faster... :eek:

Tore it down, turned out the oil pump housing was split down the side. Lost oil pressure to the cam, which then siezed in the head. Pretty unusual. I managed to get the cam freed up and cleaned out the bearings, put in an oil pump, and it ran fine after that. Sold it to another guy who, as far as I know, still runs it... Top end was always noisy after that but it ran just fine otherwise... ):h