Got this reply from MSD…… So you they saying no thermocouple needed?

Where do these two EGT's (Exhaust Gas Temperatures) come from? Before and after the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) or what? They can't be from the exhaust manifold before the turbo, which is where I expected to have to drill for a thermocouple.....

http://www.dashhawk.com/ (http://www.dashhawk.com/)

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Sir,
Thank you for your interest in our products. The 2008 should definitely work.

The latest Duramax (LMM) has two EGTs from the factory (and the Dashhawk will display it).

Thanks,
MSD tech

http://www.dashhawk.com/images/DashHawk.jpg

Well that sucks. doesn't seem like it will be able to display EGT's off the manifold

yea more then likeley they are pulling from the dpf but there is also a posability it comes from the egr wich has a sensor two . but ether way with the dpf gone on mine and no egr gues i would be out of luck. i would be interested to know how acurate there readings are. kind of a short response from them dont ya think ? thanks for posting the info

yea more then likeley they are pulling from the dpf but there is also a posability it comes from the egr wich has a sensor two . but ether way with the dpf gone on mine and no egr gues i would be out of luck. i would be interested to know how acurate there readings are. kind of a short response from them dont ya think ? thanks for posting the info


I'm most likely going the ts route like you. gotta make guages my next priority.

For a DPF lover and no-chips-for-me dude like me - The DashHawk sounds ideal - if I can get EGT's out of it....... I signed up to their tech forum - just got this response...... The HawkEye kit is some kinda add-on I think - asked about it next. Why do they insist on spoon feeding you info....... The key words must be "will be" meaning the HawkEye add-on probes if that's what they are - are not available yet. I read another EGT thread on the MSD site that said the HawkEye would be available "this summer" - Well it's darn near winter MSD........

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?p=43443&posted=1#post43443

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You are correct, no EGT probe is needed UNLESS you want to mount one in a specific location and monitor it (which will be the available as well with the plug in HawkEye EGT kit).

I don't have a chassis manual for the Duramaxes here, so I can't tell you the location of the factory probes (although I suspect they are somewhere near the DPF). In fact, some of it may be calculated values in the PCM based on EGR and the fueling strategy and some other type of temperature probe.

I've seen some pretty neat extrapolations in some of the factory stuff using known physics of the system to give temperatures (like cat temps in the gas stuff).

;)

to egts sensors in the dpf itself and one in the egr. that will be a cool guage if they come out with the add on egt probe. i would probbaly even by it mysef keep us informed if you get any new info thanks

Here's the final word from MSD for now.....

>What is the HawkEye EGT kit?
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Not ready for sale yet (hopefully the EGT one will be available via the web site in a few days ...)

Bunch running around in testing and seems to work well! Production kits will be available when:
- Parts all received in the system
- I get a sample and verify that the production unit first articles match the development prototypes in functionality
- New part number assigned
- Posted on the web

To get things to you folks quickly, I'm working with Edge and we may just have you buy from them for the first batch or so, since they are doing the assembly of the pieces there and it would cut out one step for folks.

Then MSD will start stocking the parts directly ... stay tuned!

;)

So with a factory EGT sensor at the DPF you will sure know when a regen is happening......

This thing collects 100 different pieces of data. You can plug it into your PC and graph speed, RPM etc. So loan your truck to a buddy and there is an electronic report card.

Big Brother GM is watching - you can bet they look at that kind of data before fixing a drivetrain component........

;)

Dash-Hawk LMM user response to my thread on the MSD site - SWEET:

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I have the gauge on my LMM and it works great... Excellent for knowing when it regens, EGT's and boost. I use it all the time. Plus it works on the other vehicle that we have. CAN BUS is great and is here to stay...

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10704

;)

is the new Dashhawk available now?

looks very interesting, keep us posted with any new info!
PJ

Dash-Hawk LMM user response to my thread on the MSD site - SWEET:

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I have the gauge on my LMM and it works great... Excellent for knowing when it regens, EGT's and boost. I use it all the time. Plus it works on the other vehicle that we have. CAN BUS is great and is here to stay...

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10704

;)

ASKED WHAT HIS NORM EXHAUST TEMPS ARE FROM THE FACTORY PROBES AND GOT THIS INFO:

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Normal running is from 450 to 650 with max boost at 10 to 15 when passing someone...

Regen is another story, both EGT's stay at 1100 to 1150 if you are running about 30mph. It lasts for about 20 minutes.

The regen does not shutoff if you are at stop and go traffic, it just takes longer to complete. Temps will drop slightly below 1100 but not much.

The Dashawk has a soot number that it displays which is nice. My truck goes into regen at 43 to 45 everytime. While the truck is in regen, this number will start to drop back to about 1.

It's very helpful. I was surprised how often the truck regens. about every 700 miles or so...

Hope this helps you...

:cool:

Very interesting reading....

Anyone know if this is shipping yet? or installed one? This is perfect for me right now, keeping DPF, and would rather not add another EGT probe. I can't wait.................!!

Anyone know if this is shipping yet? or installed one? This is perfect for me right now, keeping DPF, and would rather not add another EGT probe. I can't wait.................!!


YES! Order direct from MSD (my plan to be sure it has latest software) or JEGS has them - or Summit Racing has them and I am sure others...... I am asking Santa for one..........

http://www.dashhawk.com/ (http://www.dashhawk.com/)


:D

interseting max boost is like 22 on a lmm stock and the truck actully regens on avg once per tankfull of fuel. i think i will check one of those guages out and test it out thanks for posting the info

interseting max boost is like 22 on a lmm stock and the truck actully regens on avg once per tankfull of fuel. i think i will check one of those guages out and test it out thanks for posting the info

If you do, let us know what your experience is with it. I'm leaning toward this as a solution for 'gauges' for my vehicle.

To know even before a regen will happen... and when it happens....

**PRICELESS**

;)

Anyone know if this is shipping yet? or installed one? This is perfect for me right now, keeping DPF, and would rather not add another EGT probe. I can't wait.................!!

x2

I've got a couple on order. Looks like it could be a great addition to EFILive programmed trucks. Shipping looks to be the end of this month.

Trippin: you a vendor then?

Problem with measuring EGTs so far from the heads is you don't have a true reading related to known thresholds. IE, What should you be reading when EGT within inches of the head measures a [starting to get risky] 1300 degrees? Interpolate?

Nagghh... give me actual, accurate readings close to the exhaust ports.

I have this gauge and it works great for what I wanted. Here's a list of parameters that work on the LMM:

Things that work:
RPM, MPH, ECT, AAT, IAT, Load, Mod Volt, Map, Baro, MAF, EGT1, EGT2, Boost, Fuel Temp, Fuel Level, Filter pressure, Trans Temp, TCC slip,Current gear, input rpm, output rpm, Reg Stat, soot. There are others but I can't remember all of them.

Msd has a software guy named Ken Mosher that has been updating the software in the gauge since I have had it. He's great to deal with. He will post beta's on his site so that we can dowload them and give him feedback. It's made a big difference in the perfomance of the gauge.

He is currenly working on gph and mpg calculations. I have another beta to try this weekend.
The gauge also has recording capablities and 0 to 60 and 1/4 times.

The best part of this gauge is the connection, ALDL connector unber the dash. I have had the gauge conneted to 4 other vehicles already that has the can bus for communication. It will also read and clear codes...

Hopes this helps... You will not be disappointed with the gauge...

all good fethures but yours does not have the external egt wire for putng a sensor in the manifold correct? egt 1-2 are off the dpf correct?

There's a port for an external/option whatever, isn't there? I downloaded the manual, etc and thought I saw that........if that's so, then that's the ticket for me. Get the guage now, wait for some external egt probe that can be inputed into the unit, software rev to read it........voila! or am I dreaming?

Yes they are about to release the "HawkEye" EGT probe......... Stick it where-ever you want.

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9708


So which of our VENDORS here are going to carry this? Many including me want it. Performance should start carring it since they already carry Edge products........

http://www.performancetruckproducts.com/ptp.php?page=products&make=2&model=13&PHPSESSID=b5919c960b37db06acc45885e6700b61

Well DSTRBD what do you say? Don't make me buy from JEGS or Summitracing now....

As soon as I get the HawkEye - then I will do the DPF back exhaust and see if EGT's go down......

;)

Yep, that's correct. I have not added any additional probes yet. I beleive the egt's are from the dpf, before and after...

Yes they are about to release the "HawkEye" EGT probe......... Stick it where-ever you want.

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9708


So which of our VENDORS here are going to carry this? Many including me want it. Performance should start carring it since they already carry Edge products........

http://www.performancetruckproducts.com/ptp.php?page=products&make=2&model=13&PHPSESSID=b5919c960b37db06acc45885e6700b61

Well DSTRBD what do you say? Don't make me buy from JEGS or Summitracing now....

As soon as I get the HawkEye - then I will do the DPF back exhaust and see if EGT's go down......

;)

x2 to that; I would prefer to SUPPORT our vendors.........that's at least two sold!!

On page 2, Trippin said he was going to cary them.

On page 2, Trippin said he was going to cary them.
Saw that, but wasn't sure if he was just ordering a couple for eval, or for himself?? That's why I asked in the following post.........no word yet?

Im sure guy will tell us all when he has them . i defniatley want to also get one as soon as there avialble to test out and compare with what i have. this looks like a neat unit

i am also waiting for these to release, will need the Hawkeye add-on since mine is a LBZ

so venders, let us know when you get these in and give us a good deal as "beta testers" ;)

I will be buying one since the vans do not come with tach or trans temp gauges.

Sorry, we do not carry MSD. However, Edge just released their Insight Monitor. Sounds veeeery similar. :D

Edge Insight monitor: Part # 83400

- One simple connection to the OBDII port
- Displays more than 100 different vehicle parameters
- Full diagnostic scan tool and data-logging capabilities
- Performance testing (0-60 and quarter-mile times)
- Built in safety features: user-defined visual and audible alerts
- For diesel customers: additional sensor port supports either a thermocouple (sold separately part # 98600)* or wideband 02 sensor
- Internet updateable

They are actually pretty cheap for what you get. The monitor is just under $300 and the extra pyro is just under $80. We should have these very soon.

Just went to the site; nothing there yet? Keyed in the part number and name, nothing.

If I am not mistaken MSD owns Edge. So they should be the same product.

Didn't MSD buy/merge with Edge or something? Have link to product info? Don't see it on their site....

http://www.edgeproducts.com/new_releases.php

;)

Found a blurb on it....

http://www.xtremediesel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1931

;)

Did you notice where it said "Pre-Order" ? Hopefully it will be out soon.

Found a blurb on it....

http://www.xtremediesel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1931

;)

Ok, there it is...............looks like the EGT probe will be ready too......

Yes, MSD owns Edge. Thats why i said they sound very similar, Im sure they are the same thing. Edge has a presence in the diesel world, MSD doesnt. Clever way to market these units to diesel guys. These units were just released so we should have them very soon. Anyone intersted, just shoot me a PM.

Just received a PDF file brochure of the new INSIGHT from Edge/MSD. Is there a way I can attach the file here? Or PM me your email anyone who wants it sent to them....

Wonder if these dash pods would work....
http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=74&pvk=218

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Here is the latest PDF file for the insight monitor. Just let us
know if you have any other questions.
Thanks,


Kenny Gollaher
Western Inside Sales Manager
MSD Performance
1080 S. Depot Dr.
Ogden, UT 84404
Direct Number: 801-317-1957
Toll Free: 888-360-3343---Ext: 200
Fax: 801-476-3348
www.edgeproducts.com
www.msdignition.com
www.superchips.com

Same guy says the dash pod part number is.......

http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=74&pvk=243

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Ric,
We sure do and it is the dash pod. It has a part number of
13016.

Just let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,

Kenny Gollaher
Western Inside Sales Manager
MSD Performance
1080 S. Depot Dr.
Ogden, UT 84404
Direct Number: 801-317-1957
Toll Free: 888-360-3343---Ext: 200
Fax: 801-476-3348
www.edgeproducts.com
www.msdignition.com
www.superchips.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Ric
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Kenny Gollaher
Subject: RE: Edge Insight monitor: Part # 83400

Thanks - Was looking to get the identical MSD DashHawk, but since no EGT
probe there yet - Maybe the Edge Insight is the way to go.

So do you have Insight dash pods for the new body 2008 GMC/Chev HD's
yet?

http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=74&pvk=218

Thanks,

Ric

Check this out, might give more perspective:

http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=72&pvk=230

just got my MSD Dashhawk. pretty cool little device. a lot smaller than i thought it would be. anyways, just wanted to clarify which one is EGT1 and EGT2? Is EGT1 pre DPF and EGT2 post DPF? anyone running the DH know?

Thanks,
-Ronnie

Where did you mount it? And, can you see the display clearly enough?

The only place I can see to mount it would be a post mount of dash mount. No room by the factory gauges.

http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=74&pvk=243


;)

Where did you mount it? And, can you see the display clearly enough?

T, not sure if you are asking me...but I mounted mine on the left side of my dash above the left air vent near the a-pillar. I'm going to take some pics today and will have them in my garage soon. I used the mounting bracket that it came with and the velcro stickies.

-Ronnie

I mounted mine above the left air vent too... It's very easy to see and operate... It works great.

EDGE INSIGHT Now shown on Edge's website - The printable user manual link (61 pages!) even shows it in a dash pod mount......... SWEET........

http://www.edgeproducts.com/product.php?pk=81&pvk=247

And interesting input comparing HashHawk to Insight from the MSD Tech Forum....

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The Insight has fewer manufacturer specific features, fewer logging features, more preset profiles for trucks and fewer screens.

Basically, it's very similar but has more of a focus for the trucks and is simpler ... the DashHawk is more for people who are using it for more performance oriented vehicles.

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10797


;)

Thanks guys........that's where I figured it would have to go.......do they give you a long cable, so that if you wanted to mount it center, you could? Thx!

i've got pics of the DH in my garage, if anybody is interested. i even got pics of it doing it's Regen thing, yea it was while i was driving. "Hot tamale coming through!"

i've got pics of the DH in my garage, if anybody is interested. i even got pics of it doing it's Regen thing, yea it was while i was driving. "Hot tamale coming through!"

Nice mount! How long is the cable they supply, unfortunately, that's where my GPS goes, so no room there for the DH.........probably need to relocate center console.

Look Ma - No hands driving at 1,200 degrees - Holey Moley !


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=44040&d=1196096005


;)

Nice mount! How long is the cable they supply, unfortunately, that's where my GPS goes, so no room there for the DH.........probably need to relocate center console.

I wanna say the cable is around 3 feet. It's not very long.

Look Ma - No hands driving at 1,200 degrees - Holey Moley !

I'm sure the cars driving by me were wondering WTF I was doing, with all the camera flashing going on, lol!!

1200 crusing danggggggggggggggg did they come out with the add on egt probe yet ?

:eek2:Now that picture IS worth a thousand words..................

Look Ma - No hands driving at 1,200 degrees - Holey Moley !


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=44040&d=1196096005


;)

What is the Regen Stat saying? Requir??????

Can you update the firmware online?

What is the Regen Stat saying? Requir??????

Can you update the firmware online?

Yea, they're always doing updates and stuff. You download the update from their website and then use the software to update the firmware.

The Regen Stat needs a little work IMO, but it seems to have 3 values that I have seen:
1) Not Required
2) Required - kicked off at around 47 soot mass, there seems to be another word underneath there but I think it's "Required" again.
3) Active - saw this when it was 5 soot mass, i'm still scratching my head

-Ronnie

external egt probe out yet ? any one know

external egt probe out yet ? any one know

here's a blurb from the MSD forum dated 11-19-2007, the Hawkeye EGT probe:
EGT kits are being produced (at Edge ... so don't be surprised if the little probe box has an Edge logo).

Hey Schweinmesser I was curious as to when you purchased your dashhawk and what version you are running...thanks

Hey Schweinmesser I was curious as to when you purchased your dashhawk and what version you are running...thanks

I recieved my DH on 11-19-2007. I ordered it the Friday before. I'm running version 2.3 that I downloaded from MSD's/Dashhawnk's website. It came with version 2.0.2, or something like that, but I flashed it to 2.3 as soon as I got it.

-Ronnie

did you order direct from their website and thanks for the info

did you order direct from their website and thanks for the info

no, I got it from Summit.

Hey, Ronnie.............uh, how much? or, PM me, thx! I'm a nano-hair away from pulling the trigger on the wallet on this.........thx!

Hey, Ronnie.............uh, how much? or, PM me, thx! I'm a nano-hair away from pulling the trigger on the wallet on this.........thx!

Sent you a PM.

Got it, thx Ronnie!

We now have a handful of the Edge Insight units ready to ship for those interested.