Ok guys I know that I'm new to this site but I do know a lil about diesel performance. And i have read all these treads that say my tuner is better no mine is better then yours. So me and my lil bro came up with a plan.....Why not test all the programmers that we can get our hands on in the same day same track and same truck just like Banks did. WELL the results will surprise you.

This is a totally unbiased test, i know that my truck has banks on it but i have just ordered EFIlive and my lil bro did too because we just need more power that we can custom tune. And EFIlive will not be part of the test this is just a test of the products on the market that we got our hands on to see which one is FASTER in the 1/4 mile.

The track:
Local drag strip that has been closed for a few months now. Dad knows the owner and when dad came to him about us doin this test the owner was all for it. Hes a big diesel buff too and said that in as long as he could remember that he had never had a single diesel run on his 1/4 mile.

The truck:
2006 ExCab SB LBZ 6-Speed Graystone Metallic
Banks BIG HOSS-Ram Air Intake: Techni-Cooler Intercooler: Six-Gun w/PDA & SL: Boost & Pyro A-Pillar Guages ATS- Twin CP3: Cyclone Injectors 100hp: Head Studs: Five-Star Convertor: Billet Input & Output Shafts: C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 clutch packs: Pump Kit: Co-Pilot: High Capacity Tranny Pan: Flex Plate FASS- Lift Pump Crank It Up Diesel- Tierod Sleeves & Centerlink Silverline- 4" Turbo-back Straight Pipe w/ 5" Tip EGR Blocked & Fingered Amsoil- Engine & Tranny M/T- MTZ 265/75/16

Fluids and Filters:
Fuel topped off After Every Run off #2 diesel, All Filters (Engine/Tranny-External and Internal- Lift Pump Filter) Engine Oil and Tranny Fluid Changes Day before back with Amsoil, changed the day before ,No fuel Additive

Suspension and Tires: Bought New Performance Drag Radials just for this test and New Rims, T-bars cranked all the way down, Truck launched in 4wd tow haul and spooled up to the same amount on every run

The Way We Tested it:
Started At 9:00 A.M. ,Temp 58-62 during whole test No Wind, Used the Track's Tree to Stage With and Let their computer to record all the 1/4 times so the final result was not known by me until it was all over. I drove my truck in all runs. Each Programmer got two runs, as soon as finished one run drove back around and staged again....only down time was to re-fuel and change programmers.... All programmers were Run on the highest setting and at Wide Open Throttle In Drive not tapping it in gear and the Co-Pilot on Race Mode with all programmers. all runs in the right lane

The Programmers:
All Programmers were lent to us by a local diesel performace shop free of charge, who did not want to be mentioned in this, He also installed all the programmers on the truck between runs to insure that i didnt screw anything up

(this is the advertised HP numbers) no dyno to verify
Banks Six-Gun PDA on SL - 140hp 230lb-ft factor settings nothing touched
BD Power X-Tuner - 130hp 250lb-ft
Edge Juice Level 6 - 100hp 200lb-ft
BullyDog Triple Dog Crazy Larry - Not Exactly sure on the Numbers on CL
PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 - 350HP ???lb-ft
Quadzilla Stealth - 135hp 260lb-ft
Diablosport Predator - 120hp 240lb-ft
Hypertech Power Programmer - 95hp 178lb-ft
Superchips Flashpaq - 84hp 144lb-ft

Rail Pressure Box We Had on Hand To Stack With the Two Fastest
TS Performance MP-8 - 100hp 200lb-ft
PPE Duramaximizer - 150hp 250lb-ft

Now Time To Run'Um:
The 1/4 times will not be mentioned in this thread, reason being we run our trucks at the track against other diesels for money and we dont wont to let the times out thats for us to know and ya'll to find out.

But What we will tell ya:
Programmer in order of Fastest To Slowest (Some Will Suprise Ya)

1. Banks Six-Gun SL
2. PPE Xcelerator
3. BD Power X-Tuner
4. Bully Dog Triple Dog CL
5. Quadzilla Stealth
6. Diablosport Predator
7. Hypertech Power Programmer
8. Superchips Flashpaq
9. Edge Juice

it took more time changing the programmers in and out than it did to race um..... and at every run the engine and tranny were allowed to warm to operating temp for full effect of chip

What I think about the Whole Ordeal:
1. PPE is way too over rated Alot of smoke tho
2. Cant believe that Hypertech and Superchips beat Edge
3. BD really does make a great product and more ppl should use it
4. Wish i knew the exact Crazy Larry numbers sorry about that guys

I used a lot of diesel and almost killed a brand new set of tires, but i tell ya what is was all worth every minute of it. I hope everyone reads this and takes it for what it is. This was seriuosly unbiased as i could make it. I lost $200 during this test because i put my money on PPE and look what it got me

As far as smoke PPE smokes the most, but if you put the ACC Pump on 200% with banks it smokes just as much as Edge or the Predator, Bully dog smokes a lot too but PPE has got all of them by far

But we aint done yet:
Now its time to figure out what the best stack is... So this is how we are gonna do it

All products are all the way up and wide open throttle
Same rules apply as before
Six-Gun On SL + TS Performance MP-8
Six-Gun On SL + PPE Duramaximizer
PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 + TS Performance MP-8
PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 + PPE Duramaximizer

The Six-Gun + TS ran better than with the Six-Gun and Duramaximizer
The PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 + PPE Duramaximizer ran better than with the TS which makes sense to products from the same company should work better together

AND THE WINNER IS:
The Banks Six-Gun + TS smoked the PPE combo I lost another $100 on that bet the Banks TS combo walked off a left the PPE combo by .2 i even ran these combos 3 times just to make sure

In the end i will never bet on PPE again and that I own a Banks System and Lost $300 on betting against it.... I reckon Ole Gale has got his stuff together. but with the numbers that PPE has out there are so huge i didnt think i could go wrong.... But to ALL ya'll who has Banks stack the TS MP-8 and have fun when you stack them you will prolly need an upgraded tranny or at least a shift kit.... And be careful this combo will kick plum sideways in 2wd at 30mph with both chips all the way up
oh and another thing when you turn up the ACC Pump it slows you down by .18 thats not alot but turn it up to 200% on the street and back to 100% on the track

Another Lil Note:
My lil bro has a truck just like mine only differ is that his is a GMC ExCab SB and Black all the mods i have done to mine he has done the same to his and all were done and the same shop on the same days, when we race i only get him by less than 5 feet...... i only put that to driver i mean i dont really know we race in manual i guess i tap it into gear a lil faster..... but while i was running mine in the right lane he was running his in the left lane with all the same variables in my test and his came out almost the same as mine with the Six-Gun taking First the same order only thing was his times were a lil slower but not by much

So There You Go:
Thats the best i could do i spent my money just so yall could have a test that was as unbiased as i could make it and i hope yall read and understand it and dont slam the way i done anything So there ya go and to ALL the haters of Gale Banks Put Up or Shut Up

Unfortunately without showing slips to prove each run there is about to be a lot of folk post up in this thread screaming BS, especially since you only have 5 posts. Can you at least provide the times for the heads up programmer runs? Otherwise its just speculation. As far as stacks go many others did a lot of testing before EFI Live came out and found the best combinations and that information is readily available here and well known.

Wow that was awesome! I am just in awethat edge came in last! And I thought everyone always said that Banks fudged on their numbers, guess that is why I am not happy with my edge system! But I have to say when I had the BD triple dog on my truck it was not impressive at all!!!

I am not sure what to say. I smell something!


I have never seen Banks product even come close to PPE. I have seen PPE laydown over 500RWHP with just a lift pump and trans nothing else.. I highly doubt that Banks with 100HP injectors will even come close. A good running LBZ will get side ways at 40MPH with the stock 245s.

As far as put up what did you put up? No time slips. No dyno sheets. Just talk on the interwebby. :rolleyes:

If you can say brand x was beated by brand y by .2 seconds, there should be some documentation and timeslips to be shown. The lack of the times shows the lack of professionalism done in the "test" and therefore, doesn't really prove anything. Another thing I have is in one paragraph, it says you lost $200, and in the next, $300 was lost.

I am not sure what to say. I smell something!


I have never seen Banks product even come close to PPE. I have seen PPE laydown over 500RWHP with just a lift pump and trans nothing else.. I highly doubt that Banks with 100HP injectors will even come close. A good running LBZ will get side ways at 40MPH with the stock 245s.

As far as put up what did you put up? No time slips. No dyno sheets. Just talk on the interwebby. :rolleyes:


x2.....put up or shut up son....

If you can say brand x was beated by brand y by .2 seconds, there should be some documentation and timeslips to be shown. The lack of the times shows the lack of professionalism done in the "test" and therefore, doesn't really prove anything. Another thing I have is in one paragraph, it says you lost $200, and in the next, $300 was lost.


grab a TI-85 and check his math....he lost 200 bucks on the 1st set of runs...then an additional 100 on the stacking portion of the test...:p:

Don't you have a head to bic?

I also smell a Banks rat....

Ok, Mr. Banks,

:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

that was a good one, and by the way drag racing doesn't kill a brand new set of tires that quickly, if you were in 4 wheel drive like you say....,,



No way will the Banks even come close to PPE's performance....

Don't you have a head to bic?


lol....now that was funny...almost as funny as the "non-biased" test....or even the reason behind not showing time slips...

Between this thread 4 days ago
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191750

And today he appearently has become LBZ guru.
Guess I better sell my EFI Live and laptop and go buy a Big Hoss kit. :rolleyes:

Either that or straighten the needle on the my BS meter.

lol....now that was funny...almost as funny as the "non-biased" test....or even the reason behind not showing time slips...



He might want to race ya for his money,,,, if he showed his time slips then you might be afraid cause his truck is too fast with that Banks unit.....

Between this thread 4 days ago
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191750

And today he appearently has become LBZ guru.
Guess I better sell my EFI Live and laptop and go buy a Big Hoss kit. :rolleyes:

Either that or straighten the needle on the my BS meter.


Looks like he also became a test expert within that time frame also....

You notice in those past posts how he say's his Banks unit doesn't remove top speed limiter of his truck.....

PPE trucks run well over 100MPH in the 1/4 mile.

Yet his 95MPH max Banks truck beat PPE....:rolleyes:

Alright now ppl please put your seats in the full upright postion because i have done seen that some of you cant do simple math and if that was hard i know reading all this must get some of the readers out there out of breath with all these letters running in one ear and out the other not to mention tryin to process all of it in their brains

first things first No im not from banks im all the way on the other coast and i work for the railroad and we haul coal for america to keep yalls lights on, not sitting at a desk answering phone calls

And as far as that last thread goes I tried to get some help from ya'll so called experts and got nothing but sell the banks and put PPE or EFIlive
well i had been goin back and forth with it for awhile now on what to stack with the banks.....So i just said im gonna spend some money and see what i get, but no one on here seems to care about a good test and start screaming that your programmer is better and that im tryin to hide or lie about everything so you want your times here they are

These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79

Now there are the numbers not hiding anything now and never was.... i knew that i was gonna get slammed for the test and yes i was in 4wd the whole time and the tires didnt have alot of tread on them to start with (Performance drag radials) i still have a lot just not as much once i done a few doughnuts in the parking lot and burnouts that does put a hurting on tires.......

Ok now time for math class $200 + $100 = $300
I lost 200 in the first part and then another 100 when we stacked

A dyno is really the only true way to tell the truth, but i dont have one so this is all i got and there it is all on the table

And this test has been planned for awhile and when no one seemed to want to help a fellow out i just got pissed off and had to take it on myself i really dont care what most of yall think..... i done this to make my truck faster and to help other ppl with an open mind that wasnt brainwashed by PPEs huge numbers but Im putting EFI on it as soon as it comes in still dont know if im gonna stack banks with it or not

It seems that all the first ones to reply are the ones with PPE or Edge i didnt mean to hurt any feelings or make anyone mad i just figured that ppl would like to know what real times you are gonna get: im no expert we just have three LBZs in the drive way and they are all fast (Mine Dads and my lil bros) and mine is a lot slower than Dads hes got a bigger turbo and shot of Nitro

But look talk about me all you want it really dont bother me, i done the test and there it is.....SO what if you want to slam me Big uns come one at a time and lil uns jump in when ya can

Do your own test...... Put up or Shut up

Not To Be A Dick...but With All The mney You Have In Your Truck...the Twin Cp3..the 100hp Injectors...and So On....and You Could Not Get Into The 12's???!!! Even Stacked You Were Not In The 12's......sooooo Either Your Sister Was Behind The Wheel...or Something Is Fishy

Ok now time for math class $200 + $100 = $300
I lost 200 in the first part and then another 100 when we stacked

Thanks for the math lesson... Your thread put me to sleep before I got to the section about the additional $100. I'll try to do better...

Thanks for the math lesson... Your thread put me to sleep before I got to the section about the additional $100. I'll try to do better...


AND A ZINGGER FROM TX....GOTTA LOVE IT

my truck with the just the PPE HOT +2 has gone 13.2 with what is in my sig a lot less than you have. Oh and by the way thats with a lift and 35 inch tires.

"Now Time To Run'Um:
The 1/4 times will not be mentioned in this thread, reason being we run our trucks at the track against other diesels for money and we dont wont to let the times out thats for us to know and ya'll to find out.
+
These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79"

:idiot:I think we are all safe for awhile.:rolleyes:....

Thanks for the hard work and for testing things that some of us wouldn't be able to. Do you have some 60' numbers and did you record any of the exhaust temps? Also, what were the weather conditions and what is your elevation.
thanks

I also smell a Banks rat....

Ok, Mr. Banks,

:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

that was a good one, and by the way drag racing doesn't kill a brand new set of tires that quickly, if you were in 4 wheel drive like you say....,,



No way will the Banks even come close to PPE's performance....


YOUR RIGHT!- just becuase YOU have never seen banks come CLOSE, there's NO WAY it could ever ever ever beat the big bad PPE.

All us banks guys are just some over paying, under powered wanna be's....
their i confess, and i was also the shooter on the grassy knoll .:)
lighten up fellas :duh::banghead:

Dupree,
Good work, and not to worry. When Banks posted their outcome from racing the competition and won, everyone cried BS. Then, they were going to conduct their OWN run. Needless to say, nothing ever became of that either...

Ya, I mean come on. You have a tranny, dual CP3s, lift pump, and you ar running a 14.3 with edge? I have a roached stock tranny with no lift pump no cp3 stock injectors just intake edge attitude and exhaust and when I had that combo I was running 14.2 alll day long.

Oh ya mines a crewcab with a linex and 300 pound toolbox.

Dont have alot to say about your testing.........

Would have liked to see your rail pressure logged on runs and if any of those runs are skewed from lack of fuel.Those #'s for the PPE are off from what Ive seen others running at the track.Im not here to say BS.Also none of us know how your trans was shifting since thats everything with racing a diesel at the track.If you through some bad shifts on any of these runs,it skews the test for any involved here.Any even banks.

So I take it youve seen the latest article in diesel power and the bit about PPE with 4 bolt on's.Tuner hot+2,Trans,Dual fueller,GT40-94.This was a stock LBZ with stock tires running 11.80's at Vegas DHRA and winning 12.0 index.

Your testing is a cool attemp to help guys.Buy the rest of the set up and you'll be happier than your test has made you.11's out of a stock set-up LBZ.Yes as you can see I run all PPE stuff and Im not here to bad mouth you,but none of us know how well you drag race,or if your ran and performed equally well on every test or how much cool down there was between runs or if you even have the know how to conduct this test.

Im hot calling you inept,but you have to really understand that some of us go to the track every week and spank all over the banks trucks that show up , and they are few.Usually EFI or PPE trucks are kicking tail at the track.My big 12,000 lb kodiak runs 15's in the 1/4 and 9.50 in the 1/8 with a 60 ft. of 1.90. And thats lly with a stock turbo.PPE joined in on my truck and helped me alot and they are really helpful in the racing dept.
I tried to get banks on board with me and they blew me off like I was a joke.They just sent me a catalog in the mail.Maybe they finally came out with some better tuning.It's about time.They seemed to be to worried in the past , to have to field a blown trans call.Dont get me wrong I know how much money is backing banks and would love one of there motors all done up in my truck.But they think me racing the kodiak is a joke.I have over 400 time slips on my truck and know how easy it is to have a bad time at the track purely from bad trans shifting and lack of fuel for any reason.

So thanks for testing this but lets see your 60 ft. times and 330 ft. so we can really see if you are getting equal runs here from you as the driver.And what boost #'s are you leaving the line with and are you doing it the same everytime.Easy to mess this up.

Dont take this as an insult at all,no offence meant,your post #'s make alot of us think this is fishy

So i just said im gonna spend some money and see what i get, but no one on here seems to care about a good test and start screaming that your programmer is better and that im tryin to hide or lie about everything so you want your times here they are

These are the best times for each of the programmers


Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79

Now there are the numbers not hiding anything now and never was.... i knew that i was gonna get slammed for the test and yes i was in 4wd the whole time and the tires didnt have alot of tread on them to start with (Performance drag radials) i still have a lot just not as much once i done a few doughnuts in the parking lot and burnouts that does put a hurting on tires.......

Put up or Shut up



I thought at first you were just making fun of the Banks advertising campaign with your story, cause it was funny.....:D

Banks limits the speed of your truck to 95MPH, your 99.3MPH posting should be adjusted down to reflect its limitations......

I thought at first you were just making fun of the Banks advertising campaign with your story, cause it was funny.....:D

Banks limits the speed of your truck to 95MPH, your 99.3MPH posting should be adjusted down to reflect its limitations......


maybe he's running taller tires?

maybe he's running taller tires?

that run it was stacked with TS. takes limiter off.

Well done Dupree.

those numbers dont seem all bad except on the ppe, many members here have touched the 12 second barrier with just a ppe and lift pump. high 13's to low 14's seems to be what an "entry level" tuner will get you, but the ppe race tunes are about a second quicker. i am not trying to knock your test, but look at other members with just ppe. high 12's-low 13's are pretty common with them.

think what you want about my statement since i own an edge, but the truck doesnt race, its never seen a track outside the parking lot. it is used to tow.

It sounds like at best a bad test and at worst BS.

It is what it is....

There are SO MANY variables that will effect your ET at the track that a test like this, although looks good on paper, may fall short of enabling you to "rank" the tuners by ET alone. I have seen as much as a .5 second difference in my ET's from the first trip down the track, to the last run of the day, with the same setup throughout the day.

I can appreciate the time you put into collecting the data that you did, so for that I thank you.

Just out of curiosity, did you run the banks setup first, and then all of the others afterwords? If so, this could account for the transmission shifting more aggresively right off the bat. Where your TAP cells reset after each tuner swap?

Where are the Time slips?

No pics?

I still think this is total BS! A built trans, and lift will go high 12s low tens with PPE! Hell my manaul trans LB7 has got over a half second on you. No way that should happen.

Stacking the TS on the Banks gained you 4MPH? What about that speed limiter.:rolleyes:

Still smells!


What track and where in Dodge country do you live?

I still call bs....you didn't by chance have someone chase you with an ak-47 while at the track did you?

Alright now ppl please put your seats in the full upright postion because i have done seen that some of you cant do simple math and if that was hard i know reading all this must get some of the readers out there out of breath with all these letters running in one ear and out the other not to mention tryin to process all of it in their brains

first things first No im not from banks im all the way on the other coast and i work for the railroad and we haul coal for america to keep yalls lights on, not sitting at a desk answering phone calls

And as far as that last thread goes I tried to get some help from ya'll so called experts and got nothing but sell the banks and put PPE or EFIlive
well i had been goin back and forth with it for awhile now on what to stack with the banks.....So i just said im gonna spend some money and see what i get, but no one on here seems to care about a good test and start screaming that your programmer is better and that im tryin to hide or lie about everything so you want your times here they are

These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79

Now there are the numbers not hiding anything now and never was.... i knew that i was gonna get slammed for the test and yes i was in 4wd the whole time and the tires didnt have alot of tread on them to start with (Performance drag radials) i still have a lot just not as much once i done a few doughnuts in the parking lot and burnouts that does put a hurting on tires.......

Ok now time for math class $200 + $100 = $300
I lost 200 in the first part and then another 100 when we stacked

A dyno is really the only true way to tell the truth, but i dont have one so this is all i got and there it is all on the table

And this test has been planned for awhile and when no one seemed to want to help a fellow out i just got pissed off and had to take it on myself i really dont care what most of yall think..... i done this to make my truck faster and to help other ppl with an open mind that wasnt brainwashed by PPEs huge numbers but Im putting EFI on it as soon as it comes in still dont know if im gonna stack banks with it or not

It seems that all the first ones to reply are the ones with PPE or Edge i didnt mean to hurt any feelings or make anyone mad i just figured that ppl would like to know what real times you are gonna get: im no expert we just have three LBZs in the drive way and they are all fast (Mine Dads and my lil bros) and mine is a lot slower than Dads hes got a bigger turbo and shot of Nitro

But look talk about me all you want it really dont bother me, i done the test and there it is.....SO what if you want to slam me Big uns come one at a time and lil uns jump in when ya can

Do your own test...... Put up or Shut up

I do not own any of the listed programers. I have EFI Live. That being said I have seen the newest PPE in action. I can not touch with my EFI!:eek:

I still call BS. I still smell a Troll.

Pure comedy.

What track? Track owner's name?

Why are the MPH so damn low? Our CC/LB 3500 traps higher than your fastest pass with FAR less mods, and it's an LLY.

Your truck is not even making 450rwhp from what I can tell. Better guess is 420rwhp.

Look, I like Bank's stuff for it's intended purpose. Racing is not it's intended purpose. If you think you will run door-to-door with somebody running racing tuning with ANY harness box, you are in line to get spanked and put to bed without supper.

Show up at ANY diesel event next year with your Harness Box. Tell me which event, and I'll have somebody meet you there and run you.

"Show up at ANY diesel event next year with your Harness Box. Tell me which event, and I'll have somebody meet you there and run you."

Careful pat you dont want to stir up the bobo police...............It does smell a little funny and no it dont taste like chiken. Shed a little more lite newbie and maybe we can believe you. As it is it it reeks of troll stew.

Where are the Time slips?

No pics?

I still think this is total BS! A built trans, and lift will go high 12s low tens with PPE! Hell my manaul trans LB7 has got over a half second on you. No way that should happen.

Stacking the TS on the Banks gained you 4MPH? What about that speed limiter.:rolleyes:

Still smells!


What track and where in Dodge country do you live?

sorry, i have to pull the bull shi* card on you. "12s low tens" you might be foolin some guys that have not been around racing long, but not us that have grown up at the track. i still think many of you do not realize how FAST 12s in any vehicle is. if so, i aplogize ahead of time

sorry, i have to pull the bull shi* card on you. "12s low tens" you might be foolin some guys that have not been around racing long, but not us that have grown up at the track. i still think many of you do not realize how FAST 12s in any vehicle is. if so, i aplogize ahead of time


Johnboy doesn't know what he's talking about. He uses EFI Live. Cut him some slack. (he meant high 12's low thirteens I'm thinking).:D

Wait a minute :eek:, I have a tune from John that runs 12.7's in a regular cab LB7 with a trans and a lift pump. I watched Diesel Pilot put an ECSB to a 12.81 a few weeks ago with a trans and lift pump in an LLY. Kat has run 12's in a CCSB LBZ with the same. The only difference with them and Dupree is there are videos of all of them.

McRat said it best in his post earlier - Banks is good for its intended purpose. That purpose is for the average diesel enthusiast to go faster, get better mileage and tow better. Test it all you want, I have a tune in my library of EFI tunes that will smoke it, LB7, LLY, or LBZ. Put up or Shut up.;)

Dupree,

I defenatly give you an A for effort and am very glad to see that you did decided to post the 1/4 mile times that you got with each tuner. I belive this is very important information considering that first and last place are seperated by less than half a second. Also as everyone else has said there are so many variables that have to be accounted for when conducting such a test, so take what you've learned and build upon it for your next test.

If you guys are looking for more test comparing different tuners on an LBZ there is an article by Diesel Builder Magazine that tested both Edge and Superchips against Hypertech on the drag strip, on the dyno, and most importantly on the road.

Here is a link (http://www.dieseltunershootout.com/) to that article.

Ummmm, dual cp3's and only high 13's. Ummmmm

I'd guess dual cp3's with injectors should run close to 13's with stock tuning.

sorry, i have to pull the bull shi* card on you. "12s low tens" you might be foolin some guys that have not been around racing long, but not us that have grown up at the track. i still think many of you do not realize how FAST 12s in any vehicle is. if so, i aplogize ahead of time
I meant high 12s low 13s.;)

WOW. So i run less than you for a set-up and we put down over 500 rwhp with our set-up. Shoot now i need Duel CP3s to get out of the 14's.:cookoo:

One other question, I thought that you need to drive the truck with each tune so it can adapt and learn for better performance/shifting. Running one tune right after another is not fair to each tune IMO.

The newest PPE resets your Taps for you. Shifts great right from the get go.:D

WOOHOOOO way to go Banks! Big Hoss "Cowboy" bundle for me right away please!

Dupree,

I defenatly give you an A for effort and am very glad to see that you did decided to post the 1/4 mile times that you got with each tuner. I belive this is very important information considering that first and last place are seperated by less than half a second. Also as everyone else has said there are so many variables that have to be accounted for when conducting such a test, so take what you've learned and build upon it for your next test.

If you guys are looking for more test comparing different tuners on an LBZ there is an article by Diesel Builder Magazine that tested both Edge and Superchips against Hypertech on the drag strip, on the dyno, and most importantly on the road.

Here is a link (http://www.dieseltunershootout.com/) to that article.

If you believe there is only 1/2 second difference between Duramax tuners in the 1/4mi, you really need to visit the dragstrip more often.

I've tested dozens and dozens of Duramax tuners of various flavors over the years.

There is, and always has been, at least a second difference between tuners set to "kill". Two seconds? Probably closer.

Why? Some tuners will not destroy the trans immediately. Others will. Different market. This is the defining line between Performance and Race. One is plug and play, the other requires extensive supporting modifications.

Each has it's purpose.

IIRC, our truck (CC/SB LBZ) ran low 13's at over 100mph with prototype PPE LBZ tuner at LACR (2710' physical alt), and many of my friends have went into the 12's with the production version (more power than the prototype).

But what the heck. It's perhaps safer and wiser for folk to think Performance Tuners are really the same as Race versions.

Johnboy doesn't know what he's talking about. He uses EFI Live. Cut him some slack. (he meant high 12's low thirteens I'm thinking).:D

Wait a minute :eek:, I have a tune from John that runs 12.7's in a regular cab LB7 with a trans and a lift pump. I watched Diesel Pilot put an ECSB to a 12.81 a few weeks ago with a trans and lift pump in an LLY. Kat has run 12's in a CCSB LBZ with the same. The only difference with them and Dupree is there are videos of all of them.

McRat said it best in his post earlier - Banks is good for its intended purpose. That purpose is for the average diesel enthusiast to go faster, get better mileage and tow better. Test it all you want, I have a tune in my library of EFI tunes that will smoke it, LB7, LLY, or LBZ. Put up or Shut up.;)

Thanks Ed!;)




Dupree

FWIW If you ran the newest PPE dual fueler tune with 100 HP sticks and stock turbo. IIRC tune #7. You where waaaaaaay overfueled. Backing it done to a smaller tune would go faster IMHO. Like say tune #5.

A little tid bit most over look is that both variations of CP3 are capable of moving more fuel than any stock Dmax turbo can supply air to. Duals fuelers and stock turbo will not gain you much if any. Now switch turbos or add N20 and its is a different story.

Put a lift pump on both trucks. I am willing to beat the PPE was running out of fuel. Put a lift pump on both trucks then test all the same products. PPE will come out on top. Ive done the same testing

It sounds like you like to race? Well so do I and I would be willing to race you for some money. I will give you the chance to get your $300 back and then some. I have EFI(McRat) or PPE Hot+2 and run them A LOT! Pick your posion! I will be in Kentucky sunday running a quick 4 diesel race.Come out and play. I have done some testing myself and your numbers are out in left field. I'm not fast like alot of people on this forum but I will drive my truck 600 miles sunday to race(towing my buddy's lightning down with the hot tune). I will be in a white chevy hauling a white lightning just having fun. Jeff

I feel violated, I bought a HOT+2 ET, lift pump, and a stage 4 tranny. I could have saved allot of money and had a faster truck:wtf1:

Put a lift pump on both trucks. I am willing to beat the PPE was running out of fuel. Put a lift pump on both trucks then test all the same products. PPE will come out on top. Ive done the same testing
he claims to have lift pumps and twin cp3s. he has plenty of fuel available.

These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79


were you pressing the correct pedal in these runs, your speed dont match your times at all, and i see you have sleeves did you launch in 4wd in these tests

Wow, this is such a load of BS I can't even believe it. Banks over PPE huh? I'd run anyone with a Banks tuner vs. my PPE for all the money they want. BTW, Dupree (if you're even a member here anymore) my truck'd eat yours alive, and I've got the timeslips over on CompD to prove it. And how much do you think you've got under the hood of that "beast" you have in your sig (looks like you friggin copy/pasted Michael Tomac's sig).

And if, by some miracle, you are tellin the truth then I really feel sorry for you that you put 10 grand plus into the motor of a Dmax and BARELY break 14 seconds in the quarter...wow.

i am speechless.......

These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79


Wow with times like that I guess I dont need to drop any money on a Tranny, turbo, better handheld and forget about EFI,I must have a sPeCiAl LBZ... I guess I can just keep my big heavy a$$ truck the way it is and compete......HMMMMMMM nothin on his post looks right. But what do any of us know... He seems to be the ExPurt!

Lol!!

"McRat said it best in his post earlier - Banks is good for its intended purpose. That purpose is for the average diesel enthusiast to go faster, get better mileage and tow better."

This is who Banks does sell to & that is their target group. I am very happy with my Banks setup. I like more hp & better mileage loaded & unloaded on my stock tranny. I do not want to kill my truck or tranny right now.

There are so many variables to this test. I believe he did test them to the best of his ability. I do appreciate any guy that takes his time & money to test out new stuff for the rest of us. Anyone else is also welcome to do what he did & post their finding also.

Would love to see how I would run with those dual cp3's and 100 hp sticks with my slow ppe tune,I'm with Stingpuller lets run that bad ass Banks truck you have, When the Green lights drop all the BS will stop.

Imagine That....he Revealed His 1/4 Mile Times And You Still Wanna Race Him...hmmm Go Figure

Congrats on 3000 posts there hemi! :D

lol....thanks buddy....time to go get my dp STD test...being the post whore and all that I am

If you believe there is only 1/2 second difference between Duramax tuners in the 1/4mi, you really need to visit the dragstrip more often.


McRat,

In regards to the testing being discussed in this thread there is only about half a second that separates the 1/4 mile times of first place and last place. And I know that in drag racing half a second is a pretty big difference, but it’s also a difference that can simply come from a bad launch, or less than ideal weather conditions.


These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79

I think the answer is to get two identical trucks one with banks and one with PPE and run them off. Seems to me that would answer the question. It could even be Dupree's truck and another members with PPE. Some one who has the same mods except for banks as he has. I bet there is someone near where he lives that would do it. Could even use the same drag strip he used. Could even set up a pool on the #s to see who wins. I personally would put my $ on the PPE. Just thinking.
Ron

I smell a banks poser. If this is the case when i get my dual fullers and turbo and all that good stuff i will be running the banks six gun with the pda. Thats bull crap u put ppe on that truck with dual fuller i see low 12's all day long. Hell just with the ppe hot +2 e.t tune i got in right now i can out run any banks kit u have on the sheilf

The first post page in this thread looks like it was copy and pasted from banks website.... my 2 pennies.

Gas

Look guys I just done this test to help me figure out which one was the better performance tuner..... And now after looking at some of yalls post and looking at your mods and what your 1/4 times are....I know that something had to be wrong with my test.... I seriously took this test as serious as i could to be truly unbiased (no joke) i was in 4wd every run spooled up to 10psi and dropped the hammer.....

I mean i thought that the banks test was done totally wrong and well i reckon i didnt do any better i just wish that DieselPower would do a test and put it in their mag.... i mean some of the posts has ppl with not even half the mods i do and are running high 12s low 13s
and i did read that about that PPE truck doin 11s with just 4 mods

Guys i really dont know what to tell ya.... that was the numbers i was shown is all i have to go on.......if i had the abilty to go to a track that i knew had accurate data keepin stuff i would be willin to do it all over again with yalls ideas on how to get out all the variables and video the whole thing.... i never claimed to be an expert on duramax perfromance i just know what we have in the driveway and no im definately not a banks poser im just an ole farm boy that rides trains during the day a likes to blow a lil smoke

So thats that take this test for what its worth to ya and if anyone has any ideas on how to make it better im willing to listen and apply it..... i really dont know how much HP & Lbft i have without the banks on it but if anyone has any idea i would love to hear it

But if a PPE can out ran one guys efi i dont really know if i wanna stack efi with banks or not....... the one thing that i couldnt control during the test was the way the the tranny reacted to each tuner every single one of them was different i never let up i could just feel the shifts and some felt weird but i left the co-pilot all the way up on the race setting and the PPE was the worst on shifting ????

But thanks for posting back any ideas head um this way....and any negative remarks im willing to hear them too

And McRat i know i aint been here as long as you and i would really appreciate your insight into anything about this test or how to get my truck into the 11s and i would like to get some Efi tunes from ya if thats alright after this test

The only way to resolve this is to run all of the tuners on the same truck, same track and same day. You will need the truck built to withstand the added power and torque (Suncoast tranny, tie rod sleeves, lift pump, etc.) Have the truck locked in 4 wheel drive with slicks to cancel any slippage. Run with no boost launching to cancel the variables of rpm. You will also need people there to represent the tuner of their choice, so no BS is called. Until this is done, this pissing match will continue and doesn't do anyone any good. Even if the tuner you're bragging about doesn't win, it still might just be fun, no?

I appreciate your Post and it is well taken by me.

Those bad shifts on the PPE explain alot.Dont know what was up.I dont use a co-pilot and have great shifting without it.

These trans need to learn and maybe at least 5 runs on each tuner or clear the taps for each tuner would at least be a better way to do test,and if one is shifting wierd figure that out and do the test on that tuner again.Were not trying to beat you up,we just know what these tuners run off the shelf.And banks usually isnt in the running at all.Thier tuner is for Grandpa and his 5th wheel going to disneyland.

Maybe no co-pilot at all,Ive never needed that thing

Your 60 ft. times and 330 ft. times would show what was up and how the truck was out of the gate and first half of the track,and those #'s are also known by most guys in here too.

Almost all the guys posting to you have alot of time,and I mean alot of time at the track.

Me I run a big heavy pig , but I pay attention to the others at the track and spend alot of time there.

Most posting to you ,are guys I would look to for answers if I had some kind of problem with my truck,they know there chit.

Gasuout

no im definately not a banks poser im just an ole farm boy that rides trains during the day a likes to blow a lil smoke





Your write up just looks like an exact copy of Banks advertisement.

You post while you are train riding during the day, what coal trains have internet service?

Your write up just looks like an exact copy of Banks advertisement.

You post while you are train riding during the day, what coal trains have internet service?

X2 on that exact copy

Thier tuner is for Grandpa and his 5th wheel going to disneyland.



Gasuout

this is coming from someone who thinks 15s are "fast" . give me a break.

this is coming from someone who thinks 15s are "fast" . give me a break.

Your just a funny guy 66chevy,You must race alot.
.................................................. ......................:idea:

Go watch some of the vids in comp diesel of a banks f350 getting schooled by kodiak or the gto that had a lesson on 60 ft. times. 9.50

go to competitiondiesel.com and search kodiak.

Or in Dp vid and search Irwindale.And the DP vids are 2wd with no 2nd cp3. 10.00

Now I know what what a pro Im speaking with. How fast do you run in the 1/8.and whats your 60 ft time.

A little info on me,I have been racing kodiak for 3 yrs almost every week.Ive run PPE's race truck many times 7.27 @ 99 mph in the 1/8 and 11.60 in the 1/4 w/ 1.7 60 ft. on motor only, also I was on pimp my ride with PPE Joe and raced 65 impala on bio after show aired.it did 7.90 @ 95 mph in the 1/8 on street rubber with a 2.25 60 ft. against Joe's H1 military hummer dmax that ran 7.76 @ 85 mph w/ a 1.6 60 ft., also just finished being driver for discovery show : Green Machines, 08 escalade with big hp dmax on bio,did 12's 2wd with 4 guys in it and a peg leg rear end and a 2.40 60 ft. Just finished 9 inch for it and will run soon with the estimate of low 11's in it 2wd.I also drag race a kaw 1200 bike. Low 6's in 1/8.

1.90 60 ft. is un heard of for a truck of this weight.Most the little 2500's are running 1.7's on street tires and 1.5's with full set up on slicks.And big ponies...turbo's ect. 4wd

Put 5000 lbs. in your bed and go to local track and see what you run.
And watch your truck snap parts all over the track...........
:idiot:

The kodiak is my tow vehicle,and raced for fun.

Give me a break,thats funny......

John James, Gasuout

Ease up a little guys. Everyone's entitled to an opinion.:)

Also FWIW, I'm posting from my truck right now.;)

cool like that mobile stuff......

A few pics of normal kodiak day
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this is coming from someone who thinks 15s are "fast" . give me a break.
i dont know either of you, but 15's in something that weighs the better part of 12k is impressive in my book.

Also FWIW, I'm posting from my truck right now

DP mobile! :D

i dont know either of you, but 15's in something that weighs the better part of 12k is impressive in my book.



DP mobile! :D

I agree - thumbs up to Gasout. (Do you still have the white crew cab 79?)

Rick - let me know if you're near Ohio so I can stay the hell out of the way.:D

DP mobile! :D


I LIKE it!:)

Rick - let me know if you're near Ohio so I can stay the hell out of the way.:D
):h

I agree - thumbs up to Gasout. (Do you still have the white crew cab 79?)

Rick - let me know if you're near Ohio so I can stay the hell out of the way.:D

Ya , She's in the back yard covered in mud,took her to the mud pits a week ago.

Was a blast,lookin to put DMAX in her soon old crewcab.

Gas

:joke:Your just a funny guy 66chevy,You must race alot.
.................................................. ......................:idea:

Go watch some of the vids in comp diesel of a banks f350 getting schooled by kodiak or the gto that had a lesson on 60 ft. times. 9.50

go to competitiondiesel.com and search kodiak.

Or in Dp vid and search Irwindale.And the DP vids are 2wd with no 2nd cp3. 10.00

Now I know what what a pro Im speaking with. How fast do you run in the 1/8.and whats your 60 ft time.

A little info on me,I have been racing kodiak for 3 yrs almost every week.Ive run PPE's race truck many times 7.27 @ 99 mph in the 1/8 and 11.60 in the 1/4 w/ 1.7 60 ft. on motor only, also I was on pimp my ride with PPE Joe and raced 65 impala on bio after show aired.it did 7.90 @ 95 mph in the 1/8 on street rubber with a 2.25 60 ft. against Joe's H1 military hummer dmax that ran 7.76 @ 85 mph w/ a 1.6 60 ft., also just finished being driver for discovery show : Green Machines, 08 escalade with big hp dmax on bio,did 12's 2wd with 4 guys in it and a peg leg rear end and a 2.40 60 ft. Just finished 9 inch for it and will run soon with the estimate of low 11's in it 2wd.I also drag race a kaw 1200 bike. Low 6's in 1/8.

1.90 60 ft. is un heard of for a truck of this weight.Most the little 2500's are running 1.7's on street tires and 1.5's with full set up on slicks.And big ponies...turbo's ect. 4wd

Put 5000 lbs. in your bed and go to local track and see what you run.
And watch your truck snap parts all over the track...........
:idiot:

The kodiak is my tow vehicle,and raced for fun.

Give me a break,thats funny......

John James, Gasuout

slow down tiger . i was joking.......don't get physco on me. although i can't say i would pick a kodiak for a race toy. ( atleast not a white one:) )

i also was on a race team ( mech ) for 4 years when i was 18, doing brake jobs at 8yrs old( had no choice, dad was a dick). try 8.40 1/4 @171mph, and took it for a couple spins too.

but i can't say i'm a big shot high roller like you though. .........mr discovery man.

I used to walk 25mi in the snow each morning when I was 2 years old to race my HotWheels cars...

I used to walk 25mi in the snow each morning when I was 2 years old to race my HotWheels cars...
you did that too??!!!

I used to walk 25mi in the snow each morning when I was 2 years old to race my HotWheels cars...
You forgot up hill both ways.):h

Even though I myself have posted a little off topic here, I would like to see this get back to some tech discussion.:)

:joke:

slow down tiger . i was joking.......don't get physco on me. although i can't say i would pick a kodiak for a race toy. ( atleast not a white one:) )

i also was on a race team ( mech ) for 4 years when i was 18, doing brake jobs at 8yrs old( had no choice, dad was a dick). try 8.40 1/4 @171mph, and took it for a couple spins too.

but i can't say i'm a big shot high roller like you though. .........mr discovery man.

Oh well,you baited me on the last post but you wont get me this time.

We all let it out here and there.Me not to often.

Im happy with this nick name.....Mr. Discovery Man

Has a nice ring to it :thumb: Thanks

Not a high roller , just a real honest guy that has had some cool people let me drive there fast toys.And know a lil about track times and racing diesels.Actually Im a stay at home Dad that has a private tow business.....That does ok, towing some nice toys.

You'd make a good fisherman with the smell of fish in here......ya hooked me.

Im out of this thread..

Peace Out JJ

I used to walk 25mi in the snow each morning when I was 2 years old to race my HotWheels cars...
i used to wrape:p: barbed wire around my feet to get traction in winter time to go to school

Ok guys I know that I'm new to this site but I do know a lil about diesel performance. And i have read all these treads that say my tuner is better no mine is better then yours. So me and my lil bro came up with a plan.....Why not test all the programmers that we can get our hands on in the same day same track and same truck just like Banks did. WELL the results will surprise you.

This is a totally unbiased test, i know that my truck has banks on it but i have just ordered EFIlive and my lil bro did too because we just need more power that we can custom tune. And EFIlive will not be part of the test this is just a test of the products on the market that we got our hands on to see which one is FASTER in the 1/4 mile.

The track:
Local drag strip that has been closed for a few months now. Dad knows the owner and when dad came to him about us doin this test the owner was all for it. Hes a big diesel buff too and said that in as long as he could remember that he had never had a single diesel run on his 1/4 mile.

The truck:
2006 ExCab SB LBZ 6-Speed Graystone Metallic
Banks BIG HOSS-Ram Air Intake: Techni-Cooler Intercooler: Six-Gun w/PDA & SL: Boost & Pyro A-Pillar Guages ATS- Twin CP3: Cyclone Injectors 100hp: Head Studs: Five-Star Convertor: Billet Input & Output Shafts: C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 clutch packs: Pump Kit: Co-Pilot: High Capacity Tranny Pan: Flex Plate FASS- Lift Pump Crank It Up Diesel- Tierod Sleeves & Centerlink Silverline- 4" Turbo-back Straight Pipe w/ 5" Tip EGR Blocked & Fingered Amsoil- Engine & Tranny M/T- MTZ 265/75/16

Fluids and Filters:
Fuel topped off After Every Run off #2 diesel, All Filters (Engine/Tranny-External and Internal- Lift Pump Filter) Engine Oil and Tranny Fluid Changes Day before back with Amsoil, changed the day before ,No fuel Additive

Suspension and Tires: Bought New Performance Drag Radials just for this test and New Rims, T-bars cranked all the way down, Truck launched in 4wd tow haul and spooled up to the same amount on every run

The Way We Tested it:
Started At 9:00 A.M. ,Temp 58-62 during whole test No Wind, Used the Track's Tree to Stage With and Let their computer to record all the 1/4 times so the final result was not known by me until it was all over. I drove my truck in all runs. Each Programmer got two runs, as soon as finished one run drove back around and staged again....only down time was to re-fuel and change programmers.... All programmers were Run on the highest setting and at Wide Open Throttle In Drive not tapping it in gear and the Co-Pilot on Race Mode with all programmers. all runs in the right lane

The Programmers:
All Programmers were lent to us by a local diesel performace shop free of charge, who did not want to be mentioned in this, He also installed all the programmers on the truck between runs to insure that i didnt screw anything up

(this is the advertised HP numbers) no dyno to verify
Banks Six-Gun PDA on SL - 140hp 230lb-ft factor settings nothing touched
BD Power X-Tuner - 130hp 250lb-ft
Edge Juice Level 6 - 100hp 200lb-ft
BullyDog Triple Dog Crazy Larry - Not Exactly sure on the Numbers on CL
PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 - 350HP ???lb-ft
Quadzilla Stealth - 135hp 260lb-ft
Diablosport Predator - 120hp 240lb-ft
Hypertech Power Programmer - 95hp 178lb-ft
Superchips Flashpaq - 84hp 144lb-ft

Rail Pressure Box We Had on Hand To Stack With the Two Fastest
TS Performance MP-8 - 100hp 200lb-ft
PPE Duramaximizer - 150hp 250lb-ft

Now Time To Run'Um:
The 1/4 times will not be mentioned in this thread, reason being we run our trucks at the track against other diesels for money and we dont wont to let the times out thats for us to know and ya'll to find out.

But What we will tell ya:
Programmer in order of Fastest To Slowest (Some Will Suprise Ya)

1. Banks Six-Gun SL
2. PPE Xcelerator
3. BD Power X-Tuner
4. Bully Dog Triple Dog CL
5. Quadzilla Stealth
6. Diablosport Predator
7. Hypertech Power Programmer
8. Superchips Flashpaq
9. Edge Juice

it took more time changing the programmers in and out than it did to race um..... and at every run the engine and tranny were allowed to warm to operating temp for full effect of chip

What I think about the Whole Ordeal:
1. PPE is way too over rated Alot of smoke tho
2. Cant believe that Hypertech and Superchips beat Edge
3. BD really does make a great product and more ppl should use it
4. Wish i knew the exact Crazy Larry numbers sorry about that guys

I used a lot of diesel and almost killed a brand new set of tires, but i tell ya what is was all worth every minute of it. I hope everyone reads this and takes it for what it is. This was seriuosly unbiased as i could make it. I lost $200 during this test because i put my money on PPE and look what it got me

As far as smoke PPE smokes the most, but if you put the ACC Pump on 200% with banks it smokes just as much as Edge or the Predator, Bully dog smokes a lot too but PPE has got all of them by far

But we aint done yet:
Now its time to figure out what the best stack is... So this is how we are gonna do it

All products are all the way up and wide open throttle
Same rules apply as before
Six-Gun On SL + TS Performance MP-8
Six-Gun On SL + PPE Duramaximizer
PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 + TS Performance MP-8
PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 + PPE Duramaximizer

The Six-Gun + TS ran better than with the Six-Gun and Duramaximizer
The PPE Xcelerator Hot +2 + PPE Duramaximizer ran better than with the TS which makes sense to products from the same company should work better together

AND THE WINNER IS:
The Banks Six-Gun + TS smoked the PPE combo I lost another $100 on that bet the Banks TS combo walked off a left the PPE combo by .2 i even ran these combos 3 times just to make sure

In the end i will never bet on PPE again and that I own a Banks System and Lost $300 on betting against it.... I reckon Ole Gale has got his stuff together. but with the numbers that PPE has out there are so huge i didnt think i could go wrong.... But to ALL ya'll who has Banks stack the TS MP-8 and have fun when you stack them you will prolly need an upgraded tranny or at least a shift kit.... And be careful this combo will kick plum sideways in 2wd at 30mph with both chips all the way up
oh and another thing when you turn up the ACC Pump it slows you down by .18 thats not alot but turn it up to 200% on the street and back to 100% on the track

Another Lil Note:
My lil bro has a truck just like mine only differ is that his is a GMC ExCab SB and Black all the mods i have done to mine he has done the same to his and all were done and the same shop on the same days, when we race i only get him by less than 5 feet...... i only put that to driver i mean i dont really know we race in manual i guess i tap it into gear a lil faster..... but while i was running mine in the right lane he was running his in the left lane with all the same variables in my test and his came out almost the same as mine with the Six-Gun taking First the same order only thing was his times were a lil slower but not by much

So There You Go:
Thats the best i could do i spent my money just so yall could have a test that was as unbiased as i could make it and i hope yall read and understand it and dont slam the way i done anything So there ya go and to ALL the haters of Gale Banks Put Up or Shut Up



Here is the problem. If Banks layed down the baddest numbers with a built tranny and dual fullers. Dont u think there would be alot more people on this site with Banks six gun w pda in there sig:rolleyes:. Everyone that has a built tranny and dual fullers are either running ppe or efi live. So that why everyone is calling BS on this topic.

i say- just f-it

i'm out

The only way to resolve this is to run all of the tuners on the same truck, same track and same day. You will need the truck built to withstand the added power and torque (Suncoast tranny, tie rod sleeves, lift pump, etc.) Have the truck locked in 4 wheel drive with slicks to cancel any slippage. Run with no boost launching to cancel the variables of rpm. You will also need people there to represent the tuner of their choice, so no BS is called. Until this is done, this pissing match will continue and doesn't do anyone any good. Even if the tuner you're bragging about doesn't win, it still might just be fun, no?Scotty, thats a good idea. My openion of a good test is a little different though. Everything you suggested sounds good accept for the fact that some programers have an advantage from a dead idle start. I had a Predator before my PPE and from a dead stand still Predator set on 85 my truck was allot stronger out of the hole than it is with the PPE 350 tune. A little power brake and they launch about the same, when it shifts into second my truck pulls way harder with PPE. So I would like to see that test done with a driver representing each tuner-programer so they can be tested with someone getting the full potential out of each power adder. Mabe each driver getting mutiple runs to make sure they are consistantly squeezing every thing they can out of each power adder. Watcha think?

ok 66 chevy your messing with my bro now i have to step in John is the man when it comes to racing! as for banks its the bottom end for power out of all of them along with edge edge just makes some smoke John will back me on that but dont be talking shit on discovery man he speakers the truth mabey some of you should aswell (all guys that are agreeing with this banks claim)
RHA-kyle

ok 66 chevy your messing with my bro now i have to step in John is the man when it comes to racing! as for banks its the bottom end for power out of all of them along with edge edge just makes some smoke John will back me on that but dont be talking shit on discovery man he speakers the truth mabey some of you should aswell (all guys that are agreeing with this banks claim)
RHA-kyle
ok,ok, i was just screwing with him!! don't send the posse out for me.

GasUOut Posse Checkin In!

We got your back John! Haha

As to this test, well... I think everythings been said.

Can't guys fight their own battle anymore. 66chevy, if you need help bud.:D

Can't guys fight their own battle anymore. 66chevy, if you need help bud.:D
i'm going to quit while i'm ahead!

wow what a way to highjack a thread and try and turn it into a school yard braw/pissing match contest........:nono:

wow what a way to highjack a thread and try and turn it into a school yard braw/pissing match contest........:nono:
It was ment to be funny, but I get you missed that.

It was ment to be funny, but I get you missed that.
i know you and 66 ment it as fun.......
weither rhadiesel ment his post as a good friendly ribbing or as a person insult............ smilies are your friend:)

Lets keep this thread on topic.:)

66 chevy and I are cool.And we have shook hands off thread.

Drop it...and move on.

Thanks West Coast boys. :thumb: Gasuout

Sorry to get off topic guys. :)
Dupree, you wrote a local diesel shop helped you with this but didn't want to be mentioned?? Since it seems most people on here don't believe your results, can you get the diesel shop to back you up? I'd assume they are aware of this site and are probably following this. If what your saying is true and they set the truck up for you shouldn't they support you? There must be a reason they wanted to be left out of it.
With the response Dupree received, and Banks when they released their results, has any of the other companies Banks tested against ran their own test to prove them wrong?
Not that we need to since we all know PPE and EFI Live is the best!! :)

Looks to me like you guys already have this hashed out pretty well.
All I want to know is if someone can give me alittle help with writeing tunes with efilive. I wrote a really good tow tune that i really like. It gives me alot of tork and decent economy. But when I go to right a power tune I cant seem to get it so the engine doesnt defuel between shifts. Its really bad between 3rd and 4th. My tow tune shifts fine and never defuels. What am I doing wrong. Thanks

You might want to post that in the efi forum to get a better response.

that run it was stacked with TS. takes limiter off.


Not True!

Not True!

Are you sure? I thought they had a new box that does take it off.

Not True!

magazine AD for it says it does...

I didn't think it was possible for any harness box (like the TS MP-8 is) to remove the speed limiter on a Duramax. That's why the Banks and Edge Juice don't remove it.

MP8 will not remove the speed limiter. The Respeed box will.

I am still wondering which one is really the fastest and best out of Banks and PPE. There has been so many members say Banks is fastest, and others say PPE is fastest. Who knows for sure. I still think it would be great fun to see what would happen if you took two identical trucks one with banks and one with PPE and run them off. Seems to me that would answer that questions of which one gets the job done best. IMHO Still thinking PPE would blow the doors off the Banks.
Ron

ppe all the way i cant believe we are really talking about this

Didn't the member that started this post head it, PUT UP OR SHUT UP? Thats why I think we are still talking about it. I am with you I believe it would be PPE all the way. But there are some that don't believe that. And say how Banks blows all the others away. Im not so sure of that and am curiouse, I guess to see it put up so Banks would be shut up IMHO.
Ron

ppe all the way i cant believe we are really talking about this

x2!!! This is ridiculous. It's not even close. I can't believe there are this many people who don't realize PPE kills Banks. It's VERY simple...try to follow me here, people...PPE (tuner alone) has made over 500 rwhp on many trucks, many different times. If you think Banks Six-Gun (tuner alone) can do this, you're either brand-new do the diesel-world, or you're an idiot. Plain and simple.

Lighten it up a little in here guys.;)

banks-works great for what it was designed to do. tow trailers, increase mileage, go little faster and not destroy stock tranny. edge is the same way, and mine works great for those purposes. that is why i bought the edge.

ppe-argueably the best handheld tuner for the duramax, a race bred tuner capable 500+rwhp and flirting with 12's.

I am still wondering which one is really the fastest and best out of Banks and PPE. There has been so many members say Banks is fastest, and others say PPE is fastest. Who knows for sure. I still think it would be great fun to see what would happen if you took two identical trucks one with banks and one with PPE and run them off. Seems to me that would answer that questions of which one gets the job done best. IMHO Still thinking PPE would blow the doors off the Banks.
Ron

Could you show us so many members that have said Banks is fastEST?

Sorry.
You are right.
I think a better term would be a few.
Ron

we are not talking about which is better for different stuff we are talking power
ppe makes way more than banks we might as well be arguing about hyper-tech and ppe

Sorry again.
Your right.
I should have said which one makes the most power.
Thanks for the input and setting me correct.
I was not trying to cause a problem here, would just like to see both programmer run with each other and see which one got there first to end the mine is bigger than yours.
Ron

I wish I had tons of money. Id settle this once and for all by buying 15 brand new trucks and 15 chips and fly a rep out from each company to run their truck on the dyno and down the track.

Of course, this would be at my private strip at the rear of the compound.... and all DP members are invited to stay in the guest houses around the property and then.... wait.


Well, someday :)

These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79

The numbers in bold make no sense to me. I have seen trucks with these setups run faster than this.

Can we get some timeslips?
Whose truck was used? Pictures please?
What track?
Air temps, weather conditions, humidity (consistent)?

These are the best times for each of the programmers

Banks 13.74 @ 96.43
PPE 13.88 @ 95.46
BD 13.92 @ 95.19
Bully Dog 13.98 @ 94.78
Quad 14.06 @ 94.24
Diablo 14.09 @ 94.04
Hyper 14.19 @ 93.38
Super 14.23 @ 93.11
Edge 14.27 @ 92.85

Then once you stacked
Banks + TS 13.34 @ 99.33
Banks + Maximizer 13.41@ 98.81

PPE + TS 13.58 @ 97.57
PPE + Maximizer 13.55 @ 97.79

The numbers in bold make no sense to me. I have seen trucks with these setups run faster than this.

Can we get some timeslips?
Whose truck was used? Pictures please?
What track?
Air temps, weather conditions, humidity (consistent)?



I think Banks works great for me & must people that want there product. They are after the average daily driver for better mileage & a stoplight to stoplight race & guys that tow alot. Guys that know me on this site know I do not spout my mouth out that Banks is the fastest also. I can only comment on tuners that I have used

I think another company should hang there balls out there & do what Banks did. No matter what people are going to call b.s. to a test done by that name x company that did the test.

What's the point of anyone doing a test? How many tuners have run 12s with basic mods? I think end user results speak for themself.

whether tests are done or not...PPE is running the fastest and there are a ton of members on here to prove that...i guess its up to you on what you want to believe is the best/fastest...if i didnt have efi and wanted a canned tuner i know for a fact PPE is the only way to go...if PPE had their tunes in the form of an edge j/a i think that would sell like hotcakes!

Well like I stated in another thread, dyno sheets and track slips prove a lot in situations like this as well as having witnesses. Until then the skeptics are always going to prey on threads like this.

I don't know about the dragstrip, but here in Ohio, on sr. 117 I smoked an 05 cc/sb 2500 with the banks setup. I know my lbz has more power stock than his lly, but I'm alot heavier than he was. He was so amazed that he got beat, he actually followed me home to ask me about my mods...(quadzilla stealth 2, set on 90 hp setting. everything else stock.)

Cat Cracker.

Basically, next summer will tell. Most the racers and pullers aren't brand loyal. They will run anything that will give them an advantage.

If a Banks Sixgun will give them an edge, you'll see them at the track. Including myself.

Ok, I call BS on this. I am with Gasuout on a lot of things, he said what I wanted to say. This sounds a lot like a banks ad. Even your expanations don't explain why with a dual fueler and built tranny, you are in the high 13s. Duramaxin14 is faster than you, and he is stock tranny, 2wd, street tires, single CP3, and he has videos and timeslips to prove it. Please post some proof to end the BS

Ok, I call BS on this. I am with Gasuout on a lot of things, he said what I wanted to say. This sounds a lot like a banks ad. Even your expanations don't explain why with a dual fueler and built tranny, you are in the high 13s. Duramaxin14 is faster than you, and he is stock tranny, 2wd, street tires, single CP3, and he has videos and timeslips to prove it. Please post some proof to end the BS


X2 stock tranny with no lift pump 13.72 Stock tranny with lift pump 13.52 With my old banks shit gun. 14.9 all day long with same set up as now. edge juice with attiuide 14.4 all day long. ppe hot +2 13.9 all day long all these numbers are on stock tranny and no lift pump. Its hard for me to beilve even with a built tranny and dual cp3's Banks is running 13's. There a truck over at the track with a suncoast 5 single cp3 lift pump and ppe hot +2 13.3 all day long 8 incu lift 22 inch rims. 40 inch nitto mud grapplers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pG6pAMzkBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1OJIdSfHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-_Yn7ksK4 This vidoe was with ppe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqjJvbT_rIk edge diablo stacked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4kZFc9ygAI efi live this is a 13.7 vidoes without the lift pump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlCR225bl5Q Another efi live run.

Its hard for me to beilve even with a built tranny and dual cp3's Banks is running 13's.

there is a member or two here that has 13.9x's on a stock tranny with no lift pump on the sixgun/pda. still considering this test truck had a tranny and lift pumps and 2 cp3's it should be at least 12.9x's.

there is a member or two here that has 13.9x's on a stock tranny with no lift pump on the sixgun/pda. still considering this test truck had a tranny and lift pumps and 2 cp3's it should be at least 12.9x's.
i think that those were LBZ truck nnot LB7 or LLY trucks

I think banks and PPE should be on Pinks. Both with crew cab 2500 LBZ's. On fuel only. Heads up every race. Bully Dog had the balls. they should have gone against another diesel though

I think banks and PPE should be on Pinks. Both with crew cab 2500 LBZ's. On fuel only. Heads up every race. Bully Dog had the balls. they should have gone against another diesel though
their truck also broke down and looked stupid since they could'nt make it 3 rounds without crap falling off:rolleyes:

their truck also broke down and looked stupid since they could'nt make it 3 rounds without crap falling off:rolleyes:


hahahaah :D

I hope to get my truck to one of Pinks All Out Competitions one day :)

i think that those were LBZ truck nnot LB7 or LLY trucks
yeah it was a lbz

their truck also broke down and looked stupid since they could'nt make it 3 rounds without crap falling off:rolleyes:
What else would you expect from a cummapart?:D

their truck also broke down and looked stupid since they could'nt make it 3 rounds without crap falling off:rolleyes:
Not the point weather or not they broke down or won or lost Least they weren't afraid to go into a competition where they couldn't control the outcome.
I know PPE would have the balls. Either way it would create more public knowledge of diesel trucks and get more knowledge on both companies.

Not the point weather or not they broke down or won or lost Least they weren't afraid to go into a competition where they couldn't control the outcome.
I know PPE would have the balls. Either way it would create more public knowledge of diesel trucks and get more knowledge on both companies.

Interesting if they would consider that?

Hmm, PPE? where is the next Pinks all out within 500 miles of Southern California?

Theres no way in the world Banks would show up with just a stock truck and a six-gun. That engine would be torn down polished and put back together, they'd have the first 12 sec. truck with a six-gun:D

Get an RC Work Truck, strip it, put tall tires on it to overcome the limiter, put in some 10% injectors, and then a Bank's SixGun, and I think you could go 12's.

Hmm, PPE? where is the next Pinks all out within 500 miles of Southern California?

Wasnt this just talked about on McRat? I think someone posted theres one in AZ coming up pretty soon actually.

Theres no way in the world Banks would show up with just a stock truck and a six-gun. That engine would be torn down polished and put back together, they'd have the first 12 sec. truck with a six-gun:D


How do you know PPE showed up with just a stock truck?

How do you know PPE showed up with just a stock truck?You got a good point.

To end the bull shit why doesnt every one just go buy EFI LIVE. Im not trying to sell it but I used to have Bully Dog. And that didnt come close to what I can do with efi live.
I like the fact im writing my own tunes.

my canned tunes work excellent...... No need for efi here.

Wanna run it...kodiak vs. kodiak..... :driver:

:thumb: truck looks good....

Gasuout

dang i wish my kodiak was a race one 2 lol

my canned tunes work excellent...... No need for efi here.

Wanna run it...kodiak vs. kodiak..... :driver:

:thumb: truck looks good....

GasuoutI'd pay good money to see two kodiaks duke it out!

my canned tunes work excellent...... No need for efi here.

Wanna run it...kodiak vs. kodiak..... :driver:

:thumb: truck looks good....

Gasuout

That would be a kick @ss race!:rolleyes:

I agree, sharp truck Sierra2006