its been almost 10 years since there has been a lt duty diesel for the domestic market ... If you where the first back to the market place you could basicly corner the market . Real power numbers and hope to see fuel economy number in the mid to high 20's and you will have a winner. I would be one of the first to buy one to replace my 96 impala ss .

early stats I've seen have been with LB7 power numbers, I doubt they will be much better economy wise, but than again a few pounds less overall and smaller displacement may make a larger difference.

Plus with newer technology in addition to lower weight and displacement. I heard somewhere that they're going to be aiming for mid to upper 20s.

But the biggest question I've got right now, if they're going to be making this much power out of an engine with only 2/3s the displacement, what's the next diesel for the 3/4 and 1 tons going to be putting out?

accord to gm the 4.5L will make 31mpg highway in a reg cab short bed pickup without the towing package and the 6 speed auto. if it gets that, they will sell a HUGE number of 4.5 powered rigs.

Plus with newer technology in addition to lower weight and displacement. I heard somewhere that they're going to be aiming for mid to upper 20s.

But the biggest question I've got right now, if they're going to be making this much power out of an engine with only 2/3s the displacement, what's the next diesel for the 3/4 and 1 tons going to be putting out?


6.9 and more power.:D

its been almost 10 years since there has been a lt duty diesel for the domestic market ... If you where the first back to the market place you could basicly corner the market . Real power numbers and hope to see fuel economy number in the mid to high 20's and you will have a winner. I would be one of the first to buy one to replace my 96 impala ss .

It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the RWD Holden chassis
that GM already announced will be the basis for new RWD full-size passenger
cars.

I would be one of the first to buy one to replace my 96 impala ss .

I'll take the Impala off your hands. ;) :D

accord to gm the 4.5L will make 31mpg highway in a reg cab short bed pickup without the towing package and the 6 speed auto. if it gets that, they will sell a HUGE number of 4.5 powered rigs.

ok, but who's going to waste $35,000, thats my guess for it, probably wrong but my point is, who is going to buy a NEW vehicle and only get a reg cab short box? I wouldn't, it'd be a ext cab with a 6ft/8ft box or a quad cab 4ft/6ft box. Hopefully i got those box sizes right, correct me if I'm wrong.

edit: plus Everyone is going to tow with it.

So there's nobody out there now with a reg cab short bed? :confused:

ok, but who's going to waste $35,000, thats my guess for it, probably wrong but my point is, who is going to buy a NEW vehicle and only get a reg cab short box? I wouldn't, it'd be a ext cab with a 6ft/8ft box or a quad cab 4ft/6ft box. Hopefully i got those box sizes right, correct me if I'm wrong.

edit: plus Everyone is going to tow with it.

think of how fast/fun that reg cap short box is going to be with EFILive tuning :D

Hell stock it would get down the road good. I would like a reg cab short bed for a DD.

edit: plus Everyone is going to tow with it.

does everyone tow with the 6.6?

negative :D

edit: plus Everyone is going to tow with it.

I wouldn't. :)

35k for a reg cab short bed? doubt it. i got my 07 gasser for 22 w/ everything but power seats and remote start. +6 for the dmax option, lets say, and 28k

One thing no one here has addressed is the cost for diesel fuel itself. With diesel running anywhere from .30 to .50 more than regular unleaded, where is the cost payback if you aren't trailering with it? At todays prices for fuel and the cost difference of the engine for a 6.6, it isn't really feasible to have one if you don't do a lot of trailering with it to need the tourque to haul. Figure $7K plus for the DMax 6.6 plus the cost of fuel, and you've got to do a heck of a lot of driving to get any kind of payback over a gas engine.

Many people just prefer to drive a diesel. Example is a whole lot or the 2500HD trucks never tow anything and rarely haul anything.

If a 1500 with a more diesel efficent engine was available that may be what they chose next time.

Me I would love a diesel Tahoe...I would problably never tow with it as I have a 3500 duramax:D

What you are missing is the return on investment of the diesel fuel efficiency over the gas engine.

Sure diesel is 30 cents more right now, but have you looked at the past?? It fluctuates A LOT.

The same size diesel is always going to get better economy, and with the aftermarket it will be even better.

Plus, its a diesel.

Id figure about 5,000 for the diesel option. Id say for a reg cab long bed(cheaper than a short bed) work truck with the DMax it would be about 26-28K list. Maybe more, im just spitballing here.

I think the prices are going to come down in the next few years as the manufacturures realize that people cant afford $50,000 trucks

One thing no one here has addressed is the cost for diesel fuel itself. With diesel running anywhere from .30 to .50 more than regular unleaded, where is the cost payback if you aren't trailering with it? At todays prices for fuel and the cost difference of the engine for a 6.6, it isn't really feasible to have one if you don't do a lot of trailering with it to need the tourque to haul. Figure $7K plus for the DMax 6.6 plus the cost of fuel, and you've got to do a heck of a lot of driving to get any kind of payback over a gas engine.

I dont think that it will cost an extra $7,000 for diesel option because that is about what it cost now to get the diesel in the HD pickups and that includes the cost of the allison to. Since i dont think they are going to use an allison I would think it would only cost an extra 3 to 4K to get the diesel option. But i might be wrong just my guess on it.

next year when these come out ill be looking into one. i rarely tow with my truck but do haul stuff from time to time. major reason i bought it was because i wanted better mileage and diesels are cool.

i really dont want to get rid of my 3/4 ton but if the half ton is getting 25+mpgs on the highway ill be seriously looking into one

It's time for the gasser to go bye bye........

Also, when calculating cost payback.... don't forget resale value. You'll get a good chunk of "the cost of the diesel engine" back when you go to sell it.

Right now for example, buyers of VW Jettas with the TDI's are paying more of a premium to buy a used TDI than what the diesel option cost is new.

It's time for the gasser to go bye bye........

Maybe the majority will shift from gassers to diesels

I'm only interested if they offer a handshaker with it. I have NO use for a slushbox unless I lose my left leg. Even then, I may engineer a McGyver solution with duct tape and a yardstick. I don't care how great the Allison is or it's 6L90E baby brother, I'm a control freak and that little pushbutton thingy on the gear shift just doesn't cut it.

I will never not have a 2500/3500HD, but I do plan on adding a Tahoe/Suburban to my garage with the new diesel.

So while we are all dreaming and talking BS I'll dive in.

A diesel Suburban---- me thinks that is going to be almost $55K to $60K and I actually don't think they will make it because nobody will buy it at that price.

The 1/2 ton with a Diesel in it. Going to be $43K or so sticker at an LT2 trim level and $46K or better at LT3 Trim level. I know we pay less then sticker but the 1/2 ton with a diesel although nice, won't be cheap. I happen to know something about pricing and those trucks will be priced at a level which will not give you a break even on fuel alone. Same as it is today in our HD's. They know we like the diesel because of the cool factor and we will pay more for it because it does more.

Don't get me wrong I'm in mine for 10 years I hope and there is no turning back since I own a 5th wheel but I firmly believe that with diesel 50 cents more a gallon that I won't break even or even get money back until I sell it and get a higher re-sale value and that is all I expect out of it. That and an ear to ear grin when I cruise right up a hill pulling that 5th wheel. That makes it all worth it.

I really, really don't think I'm wrong in any of this.

So while we are all dreaming and talking BS I'll dive in.

A diesel Suburban---- me thinks that is going to be almost $55K to $60K and I actually don't think they will make it because nobody will buy it at that price.

The 1/2 ton with a Diesel in it. Going to be $43K or so sticker at an LT2 trim level and $46K or better at LT3 Trim level. I know we pay less then sticker but the 1/2 ton with a diesel although nice, won't be cheap. I happen to know something about pricing and those trucks will be priced at a level which will not give you a break even on fuel alone. Same as it is today in our HD's. They know we like the diesel because of the cool factor and we will pay more for it because it does more.

Don't get me wrong I'm in mine for 10 years I hope and there is no turning back since I own a 5th wheel but I firmly believe that with diesel 50 cents more a gallon that I won't break even or even get money back until I sell it and get a higher re-sale value and that is all I expect out of it. That and an ear to ear grin when I cruise right up a hill pulling that 5th wheel. That makes it all worth it.

I really, really don't think I'm wrong in any of this.


Anyway, as I was saying, Im gonna have one. If it gets 5 or 50mpg, there is gonna be an HD Burb in the garage with the diesel.

One thing no one here has addressed is the cost for diesel fuel itself. With diesel running anywhere from .30 to .50 more than regular unleaded, where is the cost payback if you aren't trailering with it? At todays prices for fuel and the cost difference of the engine for a 6.6, it isn't really feasible to have one if you don't do a lot of trailering with it to need the tourque to haul. Figure $7K plus for the DMax 6.6 plus the cost of fuel, and you've got to do a heck of a lot of driving to get any kind of payback over a gas engine.

I'm with Larsonem on this one. I remember about 13 years ago when propane was almost half price of what gasoline was and alot of people in my area converted their gassers to run propane. Within a year the price of propane was the same or slightly higher than gas. I really don't think there is going to be much gains when the automotive industry comes out with 1/2 ton diesel versions after a few months. That doesn't mean I'm against having a 1/2 ton diesel though. But I would be very surprised if GM puts one of these in a regular cab SWB 4X4 though. Just from previous history with gm and the lack of big block gassers in a 1/2 ton 4X4 swb.

i just cant see the fram holding up. you know guys are going to tow things that they should not and there goes the fram

Im not going to tow anything. With the Burb, that is.

i just cant see the fram holding up. you know guys are going to tow things that they should not and there goes the fram

I'm sure there are guys with 3/4 & 1 tons towing things they were not designed for.
I think the frame will be just fine as long as you don't push the limits and I know there will be some that will, but that's not my problem.

I'm sure there are guys with 3/4 & 1 tons towing things they were not designed for.


Exactly.....like a 25000lb excavator. Pulls like a champ I might add.

speaking of frames. Our trucks were supposdly not supposed to tow over 23,000lbs.

I cant think of how many times weve loaded all of ours over 30,000lbs.

I will never not have a 2500/3500HD, but I do plan on adding a Tahoe/Suburban to my garage with the new diesel.


X2

I bought my wife that F*%&$(G Impala SS that gets a wopping 12mpg in town. I knew it wouldn't be great, but was hoping for 16 or 17. Had I known, I would have just bought her a truck with a diesel and if they are going to put a 4.5 I'll buy her a Burban or a half ton. Between my father an myself we have bought 5 Duramaxs with an MSRP of over or close to 50K for each one (didn't pay that much, but the thats what the sticker said), I wouldn't bat an eye at the price. Hell, if I'd known I wouldn't have traded my 04 for her impala. Although the impala does get 24 -26mpg if you keep it below 80, but thats a hearty 'if'.

Heck, I may even trade in my HD for a halfton and trade the impala in on a Burb. All though giving my past decision making skills it more likely that I will have a diesel Burb, a diesel half ton, and a rarely driven, but greatly equiped 3/4 ton sitting in the driveway. But then agian having 4 vehicles is a bit rediculous. I just don't tow anything heavy - Im in love with diesel, and my action when the diesel prices went up was to buy the motorcycle (which gets almost 40mpg)...

I want...

X2

- Im in love with diesel -

I want...



Says it all. :D

Come on get used to it its GM they take years too long to come out with most everything they have ever released. I don't think I have ever said "Wow, they should of waited to come out with that."

I will be looking at one for sure. I will always have the 2500 hd but the new diesel will work good to replace my 07 Yukon. At the price I paid for an lt Yukon I would easily spend more and spread it out over more years knowing that the engine will last much longer. The new Yukon will pull @ 17mpg if I take it easy on it but as soon as I hook my boat to it it dogs down. My boat is only @ 3k with the trailer but the yukon struggles to pull (compared to what I am use to with my 04). Look at how many denali packages they sell with the price tag on those. There are alot of people out there I think that will pitch the extra based on mileage, resale and longivity.

If I could get the 4.5 in a canyon I would buy it on the spot. I do allot of driving for work in my personal rig and I would be ecstatic to pull into work with a diesel canyon.

GM is about ten years behind the curve with this new motor but I hope they drop the ball again and not offer it alot of models. Ford has dominated the HD SUV market with the Excursion while GM and Dodge did nothing. The only reason I bought my truck was because of the motor. I really wanted a Suburban. Don't f' it up this time around, GM.

I dont think that it will cost an extra $7,000 for diesel option because that is about what it cost now to get the diesel in the HD pickups and that includes the cost of the allison to. Since i dont think they are going to use an allison I would think it would only cost an extra 3 to 4K to get the diesel option. But i might be wrong just my guess on it.


The 4.5 manufacturing has eliminated a lot of cost that was associated with the 6.6 and will be considerably cheaper option.

I also read that by 2012 GM will have a diesel option for 85% of their vehicles.

GM is putting 4 and 6 cyl d-maxes in the small trucks in Spain and Brazil. Why can't they do it here? They would sell more of the smaller vehicles with the diesel option. I will find another way to get my diesel burb back. maybe get rid of my wife's 07 tahoe for one when they come available. Otherwise, I will have my 3/4 tons, the tahoe and the burb.

its been almost 10 years since there has been a lt duty diesel for the domestic market ... If you where the first back to the market place you could basicly corner the market . Real power numbers and hope to see fuel economy number in the mid to high 20's and you will have a winner. I would be one of the first to buy one to replace my 96 impala ss .
ever heard of the poor old6.5?

One thing no one here has addressed is the cost for diesel fuel itself. With diesel running anywhere from .30 to .50 more than regular unleaded, where is the cost payback if you aren't trailering with it? At todays prices for fuel and the cost difference of the engine for a 6.6, it isn't really feasible to have one if you don't do a lot of trailering with it to need the tourque to haul. Figure $7K plus for the DMax 6.6 plus the cost of fuel, and you've got to do a heck of a lot of driving to get any kind of payback over a gas engine.


i believe they are making it more for the future of fuels. e85 is a great idea but we dont grow enough corn to power the roads with grain fuel. the future is bio diesel or diesel made from coal. by 2015 my guess is that nearly 70% of all new cars and trucks will be diesel powered. have you ever been for a ride in a new turbo golf. there sick and get like 40mpg. then you put a big ol nasty tune on it and you have a very fast smoke pooring little car that gets amazing milage.
look at europe. caddy just put out a new comopund turbo diesel that make like 650trq, or benzs new diesel with close to 700trq from a 4.0L just you wait tell when your kids kids are driving there new turbo diesel 2.8l mustang down the track running 10's.\

sorry for the jacking

I read an artical not long ago that said you may see this as an option in the 2010 comaro.

i believe they are making it more for the future of fuels. e85 is a great idea but we dont grow enough corn to power the roads with grain fuel. the future is bio diesel or diesel made from coal. by 2015 my guess is that nearly 70% of all new cars and trucks will be diesel powered. have you ever been for a ride in a new turbo golf. there sick and get like 40mpg. then you put a big ol nasty tune on it and you have a very fast smoke pooring little car that gets amazing milage.
look at europe. caddy just put out a new comopund turbo diesel that make like 650trq, or benzs new diesel with close to 700trq from a 4.0L just you wait tell when your kids kids are driving there new turbo diesel 2.8l mustang down the track running 10's.\

sorry for the jacking

E-85, sucks to be honest. I have a car that will run on E-85. It will go 500 miles on a tank of regular gas. It barely makes 325 miles on E-85.

I think E-85 is what will help push more to switch to diesel.

I however doubt the percentage will be as high as you say. However, I will be on of the early switchers. I would much rather drive diesel than gas any day:D

if the drivetrain holds up this will be a great combo.

accord to gm the 4.5L will make 31mpg highway in a reg cab short bed pickup without the towing package and the 6 speed auto. if it gets that, they will sell a HUGE number of 4.5 powered rigs.

great, then how much more will we have to pay for diesel fuel, once the demand goes up even more.:rippedhan:banghead::confuzeld

GM is about ten years behind the curve with this new motor but I hope they drop the ball again and not offer it alot of models. Ford has dominated the HD SUV market with the Excursion while GM and Dodge did nothing.

Didn't Ford stop building those? Not too dominant I guess. GM got it right by refining the DMAX first, rather than putting it in every vehicle under the sun.

Didn't Ford stop building those? Not too dominant I guess. GM got it right by refining the DMAX first, rather than putting it in every vehicle under the sun.


Ditto.

The only good thing about E85 is its potential for high performance. Of course you milage will still suck, but with an octane rating of 105..... you can really crank up the boost on those turbo gassers:cool:

Didn't Ford stop building those? Not too dominant I guess. GM got it right by refining the DMAX first, rather than putting it in every vehicle under the sun.

So I guess by your logic there is no market for a 3/4 ton diesel Suburban? Like everything else, when suppliers cease to build what consumers want, consumers will either build it themselves or settle for something else.

Bring on the 4.5. For that matter bring on a 4.0L V6. (When I first heard of this 4.5 I really thought it was a V6). Anyway, I would love to have a .5 ton with a V6 diesel. 250 hp and about 400-450 ft lbs. That would be all I would need for a small 19-21' trailer (4500lbs). And when not hitched up .. 30+ mpg for sure.

As for Fuel prices...We are paying 1.039 for a Litre of Diesel up here...that's what, just shy of 4 something a gallon..?? and believe me when I say that is relatively cheap..some places in BC are up to $1.169 a Litre..!!

rgds,

stk

So I guess by your logic there is no market for a 3/4 ton diesel Suburban? Like everything else, when suppliers cease to build what consumers want, consumers will either build it themselves or settle for something else.

Lots of people would want one. I went to look at the first year and second year Excursions, cause I could not get a Suburban with a diesel.:eek:

There are two reasons I did not get a Excursion, first the hitch was only rated for 10,000 trailer and 1000 hitch with weight distribution, and it could not be repaced with a stronger hitch due to it being structural to the frame. Second was the low GVWR, could not put, wife, three kids and hitch RV with out exceeding GVWR.

The Suburban for those years had more GVWR. With the sub you could switch out the hitch reciever for a titain or pullright and get more hitch ratting.

Now with the 4.5 in a Sub 3/4 ton, you would have more power than the 7.3 in the power stroke had, and a lighter engine. Sounds like a winner to me.

If I could get the 4.5 in a canyon I would buy it on the spot. I do allot of driving for work in my personal rig and I would be ecstatic to pull into work with a diesel canyon.
tho not a diesel the colorado and canyon are getting the 5.3l v8 wiht 5speed and 4 speed auto for 08

hmm awd t-case+ 6.0(~350-400hp)+ 4l85... hmm bring back the typhoon and scyclone:cool:

... hmm bring back the Typhoon and Cyclone:cool:


I second that motion.

I second that motion.
it funny they dont really have to make anythin new cept exhaust piping and soem hoses:rolleyes:

So I guess by your logic there is no market for a 3/4 ton diesel Suburban? Like everything else, when suppliers cease to build what consumers want, consumers will either build it themselves or settle for something else.

No, I never said that. You said Ford dominated the HD SUV, when as far as I know they did not outsell the Suburban, they built a wannabe SUB, could not build the real thing.

A Diesel SUB WILL SELL BIGTIME!!