OK, so we all knew this motor is coming, and they say that it will fit wherever a 350 (or LSx motor), but, will it REALLY? Will this thing be able to be bolted into a 99-06 1/2 ton? Are they meaning that it will physically fit dimensionally, the engine mounts are the same, or what are we talking here? When these come out and if the swap seems doable..... well Im doin it!

and they say that it will fit wherever a 350 (or LSx motor),
ive seen an ls1 in a colorado....anyone want to put a 4.5L in my colorado? :D

I am game for a 4.5L in my 99 K2500 Suburban! But I think a 6.6L would be more fun...

But the MPG possibilities are wonderful with the 4.5L DMax! Especially in a K1500 OBS Burb....

FInally!!

i bet this would be great to stick in a tahoe. hopefully i can get my wife talked into driving a tahoe in no time.:D

FInally!!

i bet this would be great to stick in a tahoe.


Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=40071&d=1190096322

I think it'd be great to throw one into an s-10 body then throw a 240z shell over it and just mess with the ricers minds when they hear the throttle get mashed on the line next to them.

Bastard vehicle? Maybe a little bit, but I don't care I'd still "pimp it," as they say.

I was thinking it would be cool to drop a 4.5L Dmax in my 94 Cadillac Fleetwood. If I can get 22-23 mpg now highway, imagine what a TD can do!

The LT1 does ok for power, but the car is plenty tough to handle the diesel weight, the added 100+ hp and 200+ lb/ft torque would be awesome....

since gm likes to keep drivetrains simple i figure it probably has the same motor mount locations as the small block v8's. if thats the case, very tempting to put that in an old k5 blazer for me.

Sound like a good swap for a 2003 rc sb 1/2 ton silverado!

i say a colorado with a solid front axle.riding on 35's

I also want to put one in a K5 Blazer.

Scott

For me the obvious target is big old GM cars.

I would like to see a 65 Impala wagon with 6L90, 13" 4-wheel disk
brakes, big sticky tires, Global West negative roll control arms, decent new shocks, plus an updated interior. Go out an terrorize everybody.

Or perhaps a 52-58 Olds full-size with stiffened frame, and most of
the treatment mentioned above. There is one on the back lot of the
used car place near my house. How about a ZF6, or perhaps NV4500.

Go crazy and put one in a 64-65 Nova with a propane and nitrous kit.

I would love to do it on a 75 Olds Delta 88 with a 76 nose....

If that's true, I'm thinkin' 4.5L into a late 90's F-Body......

And off to the dragstrip!! That would be a riot! Diesel smoking 11's in the quarter mile.....

I would love to see one of these in a colorado. What do ya think 25-30mpg and low et's. ooohhhhh yeahhh!

They mean that the new 4.5L diesel engine will fit inside the same "envelope" as a small block 5.7L gas engine would fit in. Motor mounts will very likely be totally different. It will not be a simple "bolt-on" swap by any stretch of the imagination.

For those of us out here in Cali, we need to find a law that allows us to put a diesel engine in a vehicle that came with a gas motor. Last I checked, the BAR won't let you do it and get passed the smog referee.:(

Unless your pre 1975, then no smog for you! :cool:

will it literally bolt in? yep!

will making the electronics work be easy? nope!

:D

For those of us out here in Cali, we need to find a law that allows us to put a diesel engine in a vehicle that came with a gas motor. Last I checked, the BAR won't let you do it and get passed the smog referee.:(

Unless your pre 1975, then no smog for you! :cool:

F' Cali!

will it literally bolt in? yep!

will making the electronics work be easy? nope!

:D

I think too many people are looking over this. It's gonna be super complex and a lot of work to put one of these engines in another vehicle. It'll be a few yrs after this engine debuts before people are swapping it into older vehicles.

Sorry folks, didn't mean to rain on anyones parade. :rolleyes:

If its true, I have to say, what took them so long, :cool:

I think that would be an awesome swap into my 98 4x4 small Jimmy, instead of the V8 I am putting in over winter.

You are quite correct.

But now is the time to start planning on a swappable kit for the electronics!

told my friend about this and he wants to try it eventually in his camaro(96 v6). would be fun!!!

I think too many people are looking over this. It's gonna be super complex and a lot of work to put one of these engines in another vehicle. It'll be a few yrs after this engine debuts before people are swapping it into older vehicles.

Sorry folks, didn't mean to rain on anyones parade. :rolleyes:

Rain? Damn.. sunny here!

I wouldn't be so sure on your years comments.... I say 120 days or less from release, for SURE by that years SEMA.

I wouldn't be so sure on your years comments.... I say 120 days or less from release, for SURE by that years SEMA.

OK, but you can't compare that crazy stuff shows up at SEMA to what people actually own, drive & work on everyday. :rolleyes:

Does anybody actually have a Banks twin turbo setup? No, only show trucks. Does anybody actually have the RIZE industries lift on their HD? No, only show trucks. It will take at least 6 months (from the time the trucks are released) for an average person to have swapped in one of these motors and have it operable. And thats being generous.

To swap in a motor like this one, your gonna have to have a wiring harness built, which none will be out for at least 1 yr after the trucks are.

Or, you can hack your own, assuming you know what your doing, and that will take a countless number of hours. Then you've got to get around all the electronic stuff that won't let the engine run until a hundred different parameters are met.

If you get hung up on anything, there's noone that you can call b/c noone has done it before.

It'll be years...:D

EDIT: Oh, yeah, not to mention, I don't know many people who are going to be able to afford a brand new engine from the factory. Their the only ones you'll be able to get one from.

OK, but you can't compare that crazy stuff shows up at SEMA to what people actually own, drive & work on everyday. :rolleyes:

Does anybody actually have a Banks twin turbo setup? No, only show trucks. Does anybody actually have the RIZE industries lift on their HD? No, only show trucks. It will take at least 6 months (from the time the trucks are released) for an average person to have swapped in one of these motors and have it operable. And thats being generous.

To swap in a motor like this one, your gonna have to have a wiring harness built, which none will be out for at least 1 yr after the trucks are.

Or, you can hack your own, assuming you know what your doing, and that will take a countless number of hours. Then you've got to get around all the electronic stuff that won't let the engine run until a hundred different parameters are met.

If you get hung up on anything, there's noone that you can call b/c noone has done it before.

It'll be years...:D

EDIT: Oh, yeah, not to mention, I don't know many people who are going to be able to afford a brand new engine from the factory. Their the only ones you'll be able to get one from.

Sorry, I must have a different mentality then you do I guess. I own a show truck, Ive helped build several cars for SEMA, been several times, and if things go as planned, my shop will be building a vehicle for SEMA 08. I guess Im the one you are talking about hacking up the harnesses and doing the "custom" stuff to the show trucks, not the average joe you are talking about.

Look at the 08 LMM Dually at SEMA... what only out a few months and already laying rocker on 24s. Thats a full bag system, bodydrop, etc. Same thing when the 07 NNBS came out. Between SEMA, the several auto shows around the US, Texas Heat Wave, and a couple of other shows, people have plenty of ways to debut new rides, and its definitely a race at points between builders to who will have the latest and greatest custom out first.

BTW, aren't there a couple here running the Banks kit? (although I dont know why). I know of many running a Rize kit the DD their trucks, and drive my "crazy show truck" 3-4 days a week no problem at all. I know none of this is the point.... but some here have drive and if they have enough of everything else (especially the $$$ :D:eek:) then it can be done!

I just cant wait to see who gets it done first

Of course were just dreamin....... but I'd be all over the lowered Colorado crew cab with a 4.5.

Great power and great milage... sounds like a plan:D:cool:

I am sure I'd have to remortgage the house so I could afford the engine, :(

Sorry, I must have a different mentality then you do I guess. I own a show truck, Ive helped build several cars for SEMA, been several times, and if things go as planned, my shop will be building a vehicle for SEMA 08. I guess Im the one you are talking about hacking up the harnesses and doing the "custom" stuff to the show trucks, not the average joe you are talking about.

Look at the 08 LMM Dually at SEMA... what only out a few months and already laying rocker on 24s. Thats a full bag system, bodydrop, etc. Same thing when the 07 NNBS came out. Between SEMA, the several auto shows around the US, Texas Heat Wave, and a couple of other shows, people have plenty of ways to debut new rides, and its definitely a race at points between builders to who will have the latest and greatest custom out first.

BTW, aren't there a couple here running the Banks kit? (although I dont know why). I know of many running a Rize kit the DD their trucks, and drive my "crazy show truck" 3-4 days a week no problem at all. I know none of this is the point.... but some here have drive and if they have enough of everything else (especially the $$$ :D:eek:) then it can be done!

I just cant wait to see who gets it done first

LOL. :D Your exactly right, your not the average Joe Im talking about for a number of reasons. How many guys own a shop that can put out a sweet truck for SEMA? Not many, but you are one. Your Tahoe is freakin sweet.

I think your entire reply here is legit. My point is this [even though I never stated it completely, but I am now to clear up any ambiguity]: The "Average Joe" (myself included) won't have the means to get a job like this done. For those of you who own shops, you will probably crank through one of these swaps and have it done for the very next SEMA, but like I say, your not the average Joe. ;)

And for the record: The first Chevy/GMC I've seen with a 10+" RIZE lift on it was posted up by Nick a few days ago. I have yet to see the Banks Twin Turbo setup on anything else but a Chevelle and a "Gorilla" built by Xtreme 4x4. And hacking up and engine harness isn't "custom".

Take a look below at my revisions to my previous statement, I think everyone will better understand what I was trying to say:
...It'll be a few yrs after this engine debuts before ordinary people are regularly swapping it into older vehicles

How long does it take GM to release crate motors for any other new engine design (gassers)?

I would expect to see a DM4.5 crate motor from GM parts in that kind of a time frame.

The other route would be marine outfitters, how fast do they access to new engnie designs for marine repower and new marnie application?

I have a 2002 2500HD Dmax and I have been waiting for some auto manufacture to come up with a 1/2 ton diesel. Good for you GM.
What about all the people that want a diesel but don't need the big 3/4 , 1 ton truck. We don't need all that power.

dantheman, thought you could swap newer emissions(cleaner) into any older car. have seen magazines do articles about mid 90's engine/drivetrain back into early to mid 80's. would be nice if GM would go crate with duramax's and 6l90, think they coul pick-up more cash.

4.5 DMax in Colorado would be wicked!

4.5 DMax in Colorado would be wicked!
yes it would! but, mine wont be seeing one! :(

regardless of if it bolts in or not(it wont) Its no harder than swapping a small block into something thats not a small block. Ive done it a few times and Ill be doing it with this too..

And for me It'll be a TD Soltice :)

Perfect motor for a land rover. probably needs the trans to talk to the motor though, right? I want to keep my LR trans and LT230 xfer case.

the new "6L" series trans was made jointly with ford, who just sold rover, if that deal went thru. trans should take GM bellhousing adapter, if they used Borg-Warner trans turbo-hydro was designing them, so bellhousing-trans case probably close or very workable. TDI Solstice would be very neat.

Rain? Damn.. sunny here!

I wouldn't be so sure on your years comments.... I say 120 days or less from release, for SURE by that years SEMA.

I agree. A crate motor will be an automatic in for builders everywhere. I've been waiting for this swap for sometime. All I need to work with IS the envelope. Details take care of themselves. The electrics should be mostly self contained.?
An empty little Pontiac chassis has sat through thoughts of Quad4's, a spare 283, a Northstar, a VW TDI. Naw, nope...But a baby Max? Oh ya, now we're talking!

I wonder what the price on the motor will be!:eek:

I wonder what the price on the motor will be!:eek:
Your first-born.

Why didn't anyone mention a Geo Metro yet? They've had turbo GN v6's put in them, and they run low 11's. :D

I love my Dmax...no question. But a "baby Dmax..??"... oh yea baby...!!!

This motor is, in my mind, going to be a big deal. Should be lighter, smaller with a ton of power and tqe. I can see lot's of applications.

I would have no sweat trading current vehicle in on a Shiny Black ECSB 1500 with that in it. By the time it's relatively bug free, my kids will be outa here (God Willing.?)...and then mom and dad can really start to play..!

cheers,

stk

Hearing everone's plans for putting the 4.5 into various cars no one has mentioned putting it in a boat. There are a lot of big block gas guzzeling boats out there that could use this motor if it can be put to marine use! With the price of fuel it would make sense to me, my only question is how much GM is it going to cost in a crate?

I have an 85 Z28 and guess what......good bye mr. 200,000 mi 305 tpi. Hellow mr. 4.5. the gas milage alone is worth the swap, not to mention the torque in that thing. I CANT WAIT. What do you guys think 10,000 for a crate from GM?

My budget for the swap would be $15k... and hope I have some change left over :eek:

Perfect engine for a CTS-V Cadillac.

While it is blasphemy, getting a C4 Corvette (1984-1996) and repowering it with a high rev'g 4.5 diesel and a built T-56 would be a very fun sportscar. You would have to keep the torque down. Most gasoline drivetrains will be destroyed by the time you hit 600FTLB.

Perfect engine for a CTS-V Cadillac.

While it is blasphemy, getting a C4 Corvette (1984-1996) and repowering it with a high rev'g 4.5 diesel and a built T-56 would be a very fun sportscar. You would have to keep the torque down. Most gasoline drivetrains will be destroyed by the time you hit 600FTLB.

I like the way you think! If I only had the funds to do this, it'd be done as soon as it was possible! Can you imagine how that would mess with peoples minds?:cool:

Perfect engine for a CTS-V Cadillac.

While it is blasphemy, getting a C4 Corvette (1984-1996) and repowering it with a high rev'g 4.5 diesel and a built T-56 would be a very fun sportscar. You would have to keep the torque down. Most gasoline drivetrains will be destroyed by the time you hit 600FTLB.

Sure why not. There is a company in Europe building "Corvette-like" cars that have the 6.6 Duramax (around 350 hp if I remember correctly) and I would imagine that the smaller and lighter 4.5 would perform much better.

I've been dying for a smaller diesel truck. I think it would be great to put into a Colorado, but for me, I have a project truck that is stripped down it would be perfect for. 1964 Chevy 1/2 ton 2wd. That would be awesome.

I'm having my 69 camaro rebuilt from the ground up and need to pick an engine/trans combo within two weeks.. How would I get more info through GM?

You cant. This thing isnt going to be out for at least a year and a half... prob 2 in crate form.

I'm having my 69 camaro rebuilt from the ground up and need to pick an engine/trans combo within two weeks.. How would I get more info through GM?

PPE has put the 6.6's in 60's musclecars like a Chevelle, and David put one in a Buick GNX.

It's only about 200lb more than a BBC so BBC springs will do it.

Do the Dmax.

Thanks Pat.. Do they make anything to make wiring less complicated for an install? Do you know of any motors that can be bought for a decent price?

Thanks Pat.. Do they make anything to make wiring less complicated for an install? Do you know of any motors that can be bought for a decent price?

Try Ebay motors they always seem to have several different duramax combos

Well I like this new 4.5 TD. I have an 85 C10, with the sh1tty 305. would be nice to drop it down and throw the 4.5 under the hood.
the 305 has no power and my gas milage is in the low teens. the 4.5 would be a jump in every way for me.

Thanks Pat.. Do they make anything to make wiring less complicated for an install? Do you know of any motors that can be bought for a decent price?

I haven't done a Dmax swap yet, but PPE has. Give them a call and pick their brain, www.pacificp.com

Well I like this new 4.5 TD. I have an 85 C10, with the sh1tty 305. would be nice to drop it down and throw the 4.5 under the hood.
the 305 has no power and my gas milage is in the low teens. the 4.5 would be a jump in every way for me.

LOL.... this is not going to be a bolt/unbolt job.

And the $15k or so its going to swap to cost..... that would probably buy a WHOLE hell of a lot of gas.

This swap isnt for people who only want milage IMO.

i cant be leave there down sizing :( they should make a 7.0 liter not 4.5

i cant be leave there down sizing :( they should make a 7.0 liter not 4.5

They are not downsizing. They are adding to their current offerings.

LOL.... this is not going to be a bolt/unbolt job.

And the $15k or so its going to swap to cost..... that would probably buy a WHOLE hell of a lot of gas.

This swap isnt for people who only want milage IMO.

I do relize this. And I do understand what it would cost, I was just thinking that it would be pretty sweet to have it in my truck. And the swap wouldn't be for gas milage only. I want a diesel! But I want a diesel in my truck!

i cant be leave there down sizing :( they should make a 7.0 liter not 4.5

for the millionth time the 4.5 is not replaceing the 6.6, its just an addition to the family that is going in the 1/2 ton pickups and the full size suv's. its going in to suppliment the 6.6, not replace it.

for the millionth time the 4.5 is not replaceing the 6.6, its just an addition to the family that is going in the 1/2 ton pickups and the full size suv's. its going in to suppliment the 6.6, not replace it.

They are not downsizing. They are adding to their current offerings.

;)

LOL.... this is not going to be a bolt/unbolt job.

And the $15k or so its going to swap to cost..... that would probably buy a WHOLE hell of a lot of gas.

This swap isnt for people who only want milage IMO.

Well actually a little short sighted, 15k is NOT that much gas. For some the monthly fuel bill easily exceeds their payment...At $3/g I will spend more on fuel than the purchase price of my truck at ~220k miles. Fuel is the #1 cost for almost any vehicle that is actually used.
Furthermore, it would not be a 15k hit. If 15k gets me everything, then deduct the cost of the alternative, likely 5-8k. In my case it will not save any mileage since my choice up until now is a VW TDI yielding an easy 55+ mpg.
Also in my case, the pics I've seen so far look like the BabyMax is a little thick around the crank nose area and will NOT fit everywhere a SBC will. But if it does, at 2500 lbs. total weight I may be able to get it over 40 mpg!?

I know what you mean about fuel, my diesel bill is about $800 a month right now.

You think you are going to get more mileage out of this thing than a VDub TDI? I think not. Power yes, economy no.

I did say 55+ with the VW, so I'm thinking 40+ with such a brute, like I said.

It would be an incredible thing. It may come down to gearing since I don't think I can go steep enough. It is 3.35 now for a 2200 rpm @ 55mph as I remember, a tad bit high...To bad any real thinking is a few years away.

So anyone know how much this thing weighs?

depends on the material being used. for example the cummins 3.9L 4bt weighs in about the same weight as the 6.2/6.5L.

HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............
General Motors plans a 4.5 L V8 for light-duty applications which will be built at GM's powertrain facility in Tonawanda, New York after 2009. Designed to fit in the same space as a Chevrolet Small-Block engine, it is expected to produce over 310 hp (231 kW) and 520 ft·lbf (705 N·m) of torque. The small size should allow the engine to be used in a variety of applications, depending on market demand, though it would initially be targeted for the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and Hummer H2.[2] Unlike previous Duramax engines, the 4.5 liter will be designed and built entirely by GM, without assistance from Isuzu.[3]

HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............
General Motors plans a 4.5 L V8 for light-duty applications which will be built at GM's powertrain facility in Tonawanda, New York after 2009. Designed to fit in the same space as a Chevrolet Small-Block engine, it is expected to produce over 310 hp (231 kW) and 520 ft·lbf (705 N·m) of torque. The small size should allow the engine to be used in a variety of applications, depending on market demand, though it would initially be targeted for the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and Hummer H2.[2] Unlike previous Duramax engines, the 4.5 liter will be designed and built entirely by GM, without assistance from Isuzu.[3]

So? Lol.... that info is nothing new.

I didn't know you could get a D-max in a Hummer H2?

HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...............
General Motors plans a 4.5 L V8 for light-duty applications which will be built at GM's powertrain facility in Tonawanda, New York after 2009. Designed to fit in the same space as a Chevrolet Small-Block engine, it is expected to produce over 310 hp (231 kW) and 520 ft·lbf (705 N·m) of torque. The small size should allow the engine to be used in a variety of applications, depending on market demand, though it would initially be targeted for the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and Hummer H2.[2] Unlike previous Duramax engines, the 4.5 liter will be designed and built entirely by GM, without assistance from Isuzu.[3]
Yeah it'll be available for the half-tons, but the 6.6 or whatever they may change it to (but not the 4.5) will be powering the 3/4 and 1 tons.

So? Lol.... that info is nothing new.

I'm glad someone knows it all on this website. What would the rest of us do..

One concern , will the engine be any good ? No help from Izuzu . I shudder to think that they might have somebody left from the Olds diesel crew on this motor .

One concern , will the engine be any good ? No help from Izuzu . I shudder to think that they might have somebody left from the Olds diesel crew on this motor .

Funny!!

I had an Olds diesel. Mine worked well...

Funny!!

I had an Olds diesel. Mine worked well...

I had two of them, 1979 Delta Royale and a 1981 Delta Royale. Not a lick of problem at all from either one for the two years I owned each one. Oil change every 3,000 miles, diesel fuel from high volume retailers (mostly Amoco) and a new fuel filter every 6,000 miles kept them going with no problems at all. Got 30+ MPG from both of them (Over 700 miles per tankful :)).

PPE has put the 6.6's in 60's musclecars like a Chevelle, and David put one in a Buick GNX.

It's only about 200lb more than a BBC so BBC springs will do it.

Do the Dmax.

If the 6.6 weighs about 200 more than a BBC, how much less should the 4.5 weight be?

I did say 55+ with the VW, so I'm thinking 40+ with such a brute, like I said.

It would be an incredible thing. It may come down to gearing since I don't think I can go steep enough. It is 3.35 now for a 2200 rpm @ 55mph as I remember, a tad bit high...To bad any real thinking is a few years away.

So anyone know how much this thing weighs?


Exactly how do you get 55+ miles per gallon? I've owned 2 TDI's and 4 older non turboed and the best I could ever get was 52-53, and that's with a van aaken box driving 55 mph the whole tank.

I would like to see the 4.5 in a 2wd canyon

"First one to make a turbo-diesel sport truck wins!" - me.

:D

Screw the SRT-10 Ram Pickup and the gutless Silverado SS. Put a 500HP badged turbo diesel in a 1/2 ton AWD pickup. The 4.5 sounds like a good candidate for the powerplant.

I had two of them, 1979 Delta Royale and a 1981 Delta Royale. Not a lick of problem at all from either one for the two years I owned each one. Oil change every 3,000 miles, diesel fuel from high volume retailers (mostly Amoco) and a new fuel filter every 6,000 miles kept them going with no problems at all. Got 30+ MPG from both of them (Over 700 miles per tankful :)).

I had an 80 Toronado , that I had more problems than I have time , traded it on the back of a hook , long block was on 3 month b/o . Hell the TSB 's made the bible look like a comic book.

One concern , will the engine be any good ? No help from Izuzu . I shudder to think that they might have somebody left from the Olds diesel crew on this motor .

Roger Smith recently died so its safe :)

Correct me if im wrong, but I heard that when the Duramax - GM / Isuzu joint venture was over, GM bought out Isuzu's part, and kept the same engineers from the previous 6.6l block. I heard the same engineers built the 4.5 but the project was solely funded by GM because they had full control of Duramax.