Guinea pig = 2004.5 LLY DA 4x4 Sierra 3500 SRW, ~7300lb raceweight. 200lb weight reduction, tailgate and spare removed.
Mods = No Cat, Suncoast III, TTS Triple T/C. Otherwise stock down to the ashtray.
Place = Famoso Raceway, near Bakersfield California.

For HP, look just at MPH, not ET. For stoplight warfare look at ET. All devices set to Kill, no trans backdown, no temp backdown, max settings. Units were tested by launching powerbraked to generate max RPM (boost) before launch.

Predator LLY 100HP - 14.49 @ 92.05
Bully Dog LLY 120HP - 15.12 @ 89.34
TTS LLY 50HP - 15.42 @ 86.7
Edge Attitude LLY 120HP - 15.85 @ 89.66

Stacking
Predator 100 + Edge 120 - 14.76 @ 90.82
Predator 100 + Edge "3" - 14.78 @ 91.90

Stacked testing stopped at that point, as it wasn't going anywhere. See Notes.

Notes:

Predator 100 - The hardest launching tune, was also the best behaved during shifting, as well as the fastest. Threw a P1093 code on the way home, which puts your motor in limp mode, limiting the RPM to 2000. Predator can reset with it's DTC reset function. Boost "realtime" info reads 0 psi all the time. It will stall all the way to 2900rpm which was more than my truck could handle. The front end jumped left to right and back again erratically. Launching at 2500 proved to be quicker and less abusive to the front end.

Bullydog Power Pup - First thing is SCARY. It freaked out during upload scrambling the screen and locking up. May have been a factory defect. After turning everything off, and restarting, it recovered. Couldn't build full RPM powerbraking. 2.26 60' times were the best I could do. Felt pretty good though. MPH indicates the unit puts out the same HP as the Edge.

TTS 50HP Tow Tune - This is a custom PCM tune. To test, I brought 2 PCM's to the track, one TTS, and another stock for the Bully Dog and Predator. Smooth, predicable, but not intended to be a drag tune. It was the second quickest 60' time. It seems only 2 of the devices fully remove the LLY "1st Gear Defuel" that plagues the LLY, the TTS and the Predator.

Edge LLY w/Attitude - It certainly makes power, so why does it run so slow? Even set to Kill, I could not get it to launch hard. I powerbraked it FLOORED for 10 seconds but it never made full boost. 1500RPM was the best I could do. Once rolling, it appears to defuel the shifts even when told not to. For power, it's good, but for drag racing? Needs some help. The poor first gear performance carries over to stacking. I have stacked it previously with the TTS, and saw the same thing, so I did not bother trying to stack it with the Bully Dog. It also exhibited the infamous Turbo Bark trait, and is the 2nd production release unit I tested.

Thanks go out to John@DPS, MrMagu, Mike L, and Trippin for help with the testing.

Sidenote - My truck runs SLIGHTLY quicker in Normal than Tow/Haul mode. All results posted in Normal. And Trippin's truck stomped my poor LLY into the dirt. ):h

I really thought the edge would do better than that.Guess not, and stacking it wasn't any better!?:confused: Nevertheless, it's all fun, right? and great info. Thanks for sharing.

I hate to hear about the vette.
Thanks again:)

So do you think that the main reason the edge runs slower is because of the defuel in 1st and 5th?

When you were running the predator alone was the edge completely unplugged?

I've seen posts that say the predator in 65 or 85 and edge in 3 or 4 turns the best times. I personally think the predator runs really strong all around. My only complaint is that it adds diesel clatter to it. Perhaps that could be fixed with a reflash as my balance rates are a bit high.

** On edit, those edge numbers seem strange. Do you think it was running to its full potential?

Thanks Pat for the LLY testing, looks like some of us need to get a Predator.

It is funny that you commented on the defuel during shifts........with EDGE

Not to go off topic but I notice that as well............

I am wondering if EDGE has ;) a HOT OJ for the LLY or not :p ........

I am thinking they might need to step up if they want to stay at the forefront of HP/TQ......

Glad to see unbiased reporting backed up by real world data and fact not hype.............:ro)

The numbers just don't lie !!!!!!!!!!

T:cool: NY

Thanks for taking the time and putting together the numbers. I bet it was pretty fun also. Not a bad way to spend a Saturday afternoon.

Edge is testing the Hot Juice for LLY now and should release it early next year.They wouldn't tell me any specs yet,but I talked to the guy testing it on his personal truck. He seemed impressed for what it's worth,although I would assume he could be slightly biased.

So do you think that the main reason the edge runs slower is because of the defuel in 1st and 5th?

When you were running the predator alone was the edge completely unplugged?

I've seen posts that say the predator in 65 or 85 and edge in 3 or 4 turns the best times. I personally think the predator runs really strong all around. My only complaint is that it adds diesel clatter to it. Perhaps that could be fixed with a reflash as my balance rates are a bit high.

** On edit, those edge numbers seem strange. Do you think it was running to its full potential?

Solo Predator runs were with Edge removed. Solo Edge runs were with all tuning removed from PCM.

The Edge surprised the crap out of me. Kept trying to get it launch, and it wouldn't do it. Something is stopping it. The 60' times were exactly like stock. Keep in mind that for 95% of the folk, you will NOT powerbrake the truck in 4WD during normal driving.

I had run a different Edge LLY before and ran 14.8 @ 90 stacked with the TTS, which makes me think something is limiting the Edge.

I love the features and the concept of the Edge, and LB7 guys swear by it. At this point, I've had 4 different LLY Edges on the truck, 2 betas, 2 production releases, and none of them are "refined" enough for my taste. My guess is that when they release a race box, it wouldn't have the issues with first gear and defueling.

Thanks Pat for the LLY testing, looks like some of us need to get a Predator.

I just install my predator yesterday. I have it on the 65 Tune right now. I really wanted to jump straight to the 100 tune but with no EGT gauge and only 1000 miles on the truck I'll wait. I must say even on the 65 tune it runs very smooth and does produce some smoke.

On a stock tranny you will slip it in 5th on the 100hp level with ease. Be carefull!

On a stock tranny you will slip it in 5th on the 100hp level with ease. Be carefull!

Seriously. :eek:

The Predator on 100 is probably underated. If the Edge and Bully Dog are really 120HP, the Predator would be 140HP.

Pat could u throw the J/A on and do some power brake checks and let us know what boost u are seeing?

Nothing real wild, level 3 @1500rpm would be OK, something to compare to our trucks.

Could u also get some 0-60mph attitude times for us to compare to?

I was doing some checking about the boost when stopped in gear and as soon as I get to 1000rpm 4 psi show shows on attitude, but let it drop and it goes to 0 instantly.

Did u get any black smoke from the J/A on take off?

Mine smokes pretty good and if u don't see any 60' improvement u shouldn't see any smoke in low gear.

Pat could u throw the J/A on and do some power brake checks and let us know what boost u are seeing?

Nothing real wild, level 3 @1500rpm would be OK, something to compare to our trucks.

Could u also get some 0-60mph attitude times for us to compare to?

I was doing some checking about the boost when stopped in gear and as soon as I get to 1000rpm 4 psi show shows on attitude, but let it drop and it goes to 0 instantly.

Did u get any black smoke from the J/A on take off?

Mine smokes pretty good and if u don't see any 60' improvement u shouldn't see any smoke in low gear.

It's raining so my testing will have to be suspended.

I didn't get to check the smoke on the Solo Edge runs, but Kat got some video of the Edge stacks, and it smokes HARD. Just doesn't go as fast as I would expect.

Interesting results.....a friend has a cc/sb comes in a little over 7100lbs with 285 tires and consistently knocks down 14.6 in the quarter.......with the Juice/Attitude.

Interesting results.....a friend has a cc/sb comes in a little over 7100lbs with 285 tires and consistently knocks down 14.6 in the quarter.......with the Juice/Attitude.
George

The Edge defuel on the 1-2 shift felt like it shut down the motor. The truck hood did a big nose dive during the shift. Pat would have run faster if that could have been eliminated.
mike

For me, running the Edge on level 5 seems like someone turn on a light switch as it approaches the 1-2 shift, then it pauses to shift and then rips the tires.

Could be all the swapping confused the trans a bit......?????

Interesting results.....a friend has a cc/sb comes in a little over 7100lbs with 285 tires and consistently knocks down 14.6 in the quarter.......with the Juice/Attitude.

LLY or LB7?

If it's an LLY, can you find out what his 60' was? The best I could muster with LLY Edge was a dismal 2.7, this is where most the ET went. I buried the throttle and waited and waited and it just wouldn't pull the RPM up.

There is a possibility that my truck just doesn't like the Edge. I really wanted to see gains with it, but just couldn't find out how to do it.

I am trying to get other LLY tunes to test, but most are "beta" right now, and I can't get them yet. But I will keep trying. I WILL make this truck run a 13 if it kills me!!! :D

Could be all the swapping confused the trans a bit......?????

Possibly. At the end of the day, I went back and ran the first test again and repeated within .01 seconds and .7 MPH. But the lack of 1st gear power has nothing to do with trans relearn. If the tuner has enough HP, it will pull the convertor up, if it doesn't, you dog it out of the hole big time.

Pat, did you get a chance to run the power pup stacked with edge, that set up seems to produce the most power on my truck of all the programs, stacked and unstacked

Pat, did you get a chance to run the power pup stacked with edge, that set up seems to produce the most power on my truck of all the programs, stacked and unstacked

I didn't stack the Edge and Power Pup. Maybe I should have. I kick myself in the ass for not trying it. I broke the Corvette and was a little distracted. Over $5000 down the tubes for nothing.

It wasn't an issue of HP, it was the way the Edge behaved. It hurt the launch so bad stacked or unstacked, that I had no faith. Maybe it could have run quicker stacked, but the data was pointing in the other direction.

I wanted the Edge to kick ass, but I couldn't make it generate 60' times. The Edge certainly adds big HP, but for drag racing, it didn't work.

To all the folks who are reading this, understand that my goal was to go quicker than 14.42 dragracing at a racetrack. It does not mean you won't be happy with any of these tunes. If I could have gotten any of these tuners to run quicker, I would have.

I will continue to test anything I can get my hands on until I reach my goal of 13.9x without nitrous or propane. Looking for the new TTS LLY, VA LLY box and the LLY Banks, and will test them as well.

Low 1.90...never saw a 1.8 leaving at around 1500 rpms. Leaving any higher would cause some wheel hop the truck wasn't set up to deal with....cranked bars and no sleeves.

Low 1.90...never saw a 1.8 leaving at around 1500 rpms. Leaving any higher would cause some wheel hop the truck wasn't set up to deal with....cranked bars and no sleeves.

I have to leave at 2500 to get 1.9x's. Even 2000 won't get me a 2.0. At over 2500, the front starts to dance bad.

At 2000 the truck hops....no sleeves and cranked bars....he got nervous...I would say that he doesn't leave at more than 1800.....1500-1600 is the norm. Could be the difference in the converter to I guess.

Pat, Did you have the same converter last time at the track? Wondering if there was a change in there somewhere. The "tightness" we all strive for to make the truck feel good on the street could be holding your 60' potential back. I was in 1.77's with the relatively loose unit that I had at Byron...

pat, it almost sounds like something was wrong with the edge unit as ive seen others test just the edge and get much better times and also tested stacked and got better times. things that make you go hmmmm

Here is one of the passes I didn't think he was ever going to launch:eek:

http://fuzzydiceracing.com/k/bbslow.wmv

Uhmmmmm

I think the person (MIKE L) in the white helmet needs to see the chiropractor on Monday for a neck adjustment.............):h

WHIPLASH...............:eek:

T:cool: NY

Uhmmmmm

I think the person (MIKE L) in the white helmet needs to see the chiropractor on Monday for a neck adjustment.............):h

WHIPLASH...............:eek:

T:cool: NY
He got quite the rides between McRat and Trippin... I was smart and only rode shotgun once ):h ):h ):h

Pat, Did you have the same converter last time at the track? Wondering if there was a change in there somewhere. The "tightness" we all strive for to make the truck feel good on the street could be holding your 60' potential back. I was in 1.77's with the relatively loose unit that I had at Byron...

Since the problem was only with the Edge why would you think there was a converter difference? Same day, Same truck, Same converter all day long! It's clearly something happening with the Edge unit as none of the other programs had a problem.

Pat, Did you have the same converter last time at the track? Wondering if there was a change in there somewhere. The "tightness" we all strive for to make the truck feel good on the street could be holding your 60' potential back. I was in 1.77's with the relatively loose unit that I had at Byron...
The converter had nothing to do with the problem. The truck just did not have the bottom end and on the 1-2 shift it flat died. I was in the truck. This was an Edge problem. Maybe it is only this one; I don't know. The truck picked up ok after the shift, but we lost precious time during this problem. I believe a tighter converter would have killed it even more.
mike

Pat, Did you have the same converter last time at the track? Wondering if there was a change in there somewhere. The "tightness" we all strive for to make the truck feel good on the street could be holding your 60' potential back. I was in 1.77's with the relatively loose unit that I had at Byron...

Correct. Last 3 Edges I had were run on a stock convertor. One of them DID seem to launch better (SOTP) but it was the first release beta and had serious problems.

Only the Predator and TTS Tow would stall the truck at 2500 or higher. The "biggest" program and the "smallest" program. The other setups wouldn't get it up that high. I did one 2900 rpm launch, so you certainly can stall the triple disc pretty high if the engine will put out the TQ.

There must be some other people who have run the Edge LLY at the track. If you have, pipe up. Maybe I got a bad one.

pat, it almost sounds like something was wrong with the edge unit as ive seen others test just the edge and get much better times and also tested stacked and got better times. things that make you go hmmmm

That is very possible. Stacked with the TTS Tow, the "second release beta" did 14.88 @ 90mph on a 1.9 60'. At the time, I didn't have a second PCM, so I couldn't test the Edge "naked".

The MPH shows the Edge does make good power.

The thing about track testing is that different trucks and different drivers and different tracks will get different results. More people will test the various tuners together and we will get more information if they post their results. For me it looks like the current Edge LLY is a dead end in my attempt for a 13 second timeslip.

Pat, next try how about the Predator/J/A stack w/ the Predator on 0 and bump up the rpm limit.

I wonder if the rpm limiter is killing it on the shifts, my truck seems like it does this even on level 3.

Are u still running the EGR?

Keep up the good work.

What I'm looking for is how previous runs compared running the same combos. IIRC, you did not really gain much in best ET or did you? Some times (and this may go against conventional wisdom) running the Edge low boost fueling up too high hurts bottom end.





Correct. Last 3 Edges I had were run on a stock convertor. One of them DID seem to launch better (SOTP) but it was the first release beta and had serious problems.

Only the Predator and TTS Tow would stall the truck at 2500 or higher. The "biggest" program and the "smallest" program. The other setups wouldn't get it up that high. I did one 2900 rpm launch, so you certainly can stall the triple disc pretty high if the engine will put out the TQ.

There must be some other people who have run the Edge LLY at the track. If you have, pipe up. Maybe I got a bad one.

Too bad Banks didn't have their 6-Gun ready for you to test. Would have been interesting to see what it would have done. On my LB7, on level 4, it runs a 14.9 with a stock tranny.

one thing ive noticed is that it seems like the predator doesnt increase the rev limiter, atleast not on mine ( if it should, ill send back for an updtate ), as it will stop right near 3k rpms, this is stacked or unstacked. the power pup will rev and keep going past that, and the edge is reallty close to the predator

Too bad Banks didn't have their 6-Gun ready for you to test. Would have been interesting to see what it would have done. On my LB7, on level 4, it runs a 14.9 with a stock tranny.

I did everything in my power to get a Banks harness box and a VA harness box. No dice yet.

Keep in mind the Edge ran good MPH solo, and probably would have went faster if the defuel and barking wasn't there. It might be the powerful tuner on the market but just did a bad showing with my truck.

We need more data, so anyone who has any of these, post 1/4 mi (track) results. Don't bother posting "computer" results though because they are not the same MPH usually.

Did you run the Edge with no backdown on? Push the enter button twice quickly.

Did you run the Edge with no backdown on? Push the enter button twice quickly.

I disconnected the pyro. Would it still backdown?

Not sure, but I'm thinking yes, since the Edge module backs down for more than just exhaust temps.

i am going to look for a new tuner if the replacement edge sends me doesnt fix the bark.... i can even put the pedal down in any level over 3 without a guaranteed 2-5 barks in 2 or 3 shifts

i might have to start looking into a predator, im assuming no barking with it?

On 100HP and the middle setting, I got no bark with the Predator. I did not test the other tunes.

Fasttoys ran a 14.1 with a quad tuner(same as p pup) and an edge on a stock tranny....something is not right here. No smoke on launch.....when I power brake mine the smoke roles with the edge stacked or unstacked.

Predator LLY 100HP - 14.49 @ 92.05
Edge Attitude LLY 120HP - 15.85 @ 89.66

Stacking
Predator 100 + Edge 120 - 14.76 @ 90.82
Predator 100 + Edge "3" - 14.78 @ 91.90Sorry if I missed this info but did you run the truck with the stock programming? I'm courious to see how much of a gain each programmer actually made.

You ran 14.49 @ 92.05 with the Predator by itself (100hp setting) but then ran slower with you stacked 120hp from the Edge. I've been thinking about doing the same thing with lower settings (stock tranny) to get the benefits of each but would hate to have power go the other way.

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The truck ran a high 16 stock a few weeks before at Pomona and ran 14.42 on the Pred 100.

The Edge box I was using might have been a "bad" one. It would not accelerate hard until the middle of 2nd gear. It felt good after first, but a drag race is won in the first 60'.

Yes, I saw that Fasttoys ran 14.1 with the Edge, so I thought I had an easy 13. Just wasn't a good day.

I would place a bet that the edge is screwed up if you ran 14.4 with the predator. Did not notice that the first time around.

Keep in mind with the second beta Edge, it ran 14.88 @ 90 stacked with the 50HP TTS on a 1.9 60'. Good launch, but hiccups at mid track cost a lot.

With these trucks, if you can spool on launch, you will get a good ET. If you can't, you will lose about 1 second.

McRat,

I may have missed this but what was your coolant temps when you ran the Edge/Attitude? Full power doens't come on until 180 degrees. So you need to hit the line hot. I've pulled smooth 1.9 launches at 14.7s @ 89.x at the track on the same settings in full weight 2500 CC/SB.

So I'm thinking the Attitude saftey features may have been slowing you down too. A full launch would get you up to that 180 level down the track which get's the HP back up to peak and sets the MPH in the right range.

I have not been able to put down good times with the Juice/Attitude either. Stacking with the Power Pup produced about the same. The two together are shaky at best when you put it to the floor. The Predator seems to stack better on my truck.

I will be trying the PPE Enforcer and Hot Xcelerator today and at the track Friday. According to PPE, the two were MADE to be stacked together and are fully compatible. They said there will be no turbo bark or banging off the rev limiter since the Xcelerator raises it. Should be interesting.

DSTRBD - let us know how it goes, have you run those programs on the street yet and what are your thoughts ?

Plugged in the Hot Xcelerator and the Enforcer today for the first time. Initial impression, WOW. Very smooth, and suprisingly low smoke. This combo flat out gets it. If time allows, I will be hitting the track tomorrow to get some times.

What do they claim for power?

For the stack they claim 445 to the rear wheels. The truck also only produces 22-24 max psi.

The PPE stack did not produce the numbers I thought it would, but ran well none the less. I was running consistant 14.25's at 94 mph with 1.9 60 fts. If the trans would have shifted faster, the runs would have been quite a bit faster. I only managed to make one run with the nitrous, then blew my feed line due to my own personal error (dont ask!). The run was a bad one since I screwed up the launch and got a 2.2 60 ft. I ended up with a 14.0 at 104 mph I believe. I will have to double check the slip. If I would have had a good launch and hit the juice sooner, mid-high 13's would not have been a problem.

On a side note, the nitrous setup is dual stage with two 50 pills, one pre intercooler, one post.

nate - what other combos or boxes did you run and what were the times like with those ? thanks

The PPE stack did not produce the numbers I thought it would, but ran well none the less. I was running consistant 14.25's at 94 mph with 1.9 60 fts. If the trans would have shifted faster, the runs would have been quite a bit faster. I only managed to make one run with the nitrous, then blew my feed line due to my own personal error (dont ask!). The run was a bad one since I screwed up the launch and got a 2.2 60 ft. I ended up with a 14.0 at 104 mph I believe. I will have to double check the slip. If I would have had a good launch and hit the juice sooner, mid-high 13's would not have been a problem.

On a side note, the nitrous setup is dual stage with two 50 pills, one pre intercooler, one post.

Where are you running Nate?

tbone- I did not try anything else as this stack was the only one that seemed to not have a glitch in it. Looking back now I wish I would have. I am going to try and stack the Juice/***. with the xcelerator and see what happens. I will be heading home tomorrow though so no more track times.

John- I ran it at Baytown Raceway in Texas.

i would think that the juice with power pup would lay down good numbers as it stacks very good once warmed up. its been about 4/10's faster according to my juice records than any other combo so far. just make sure its good and warmed up / shifts are good and you should be good to go. let me know if you get any problems dialing in the set up on the stack as ive talked a bit with phillip at BD and GotJuice in regards to getting the most out of that combo and have it somewhat dialed in now.

Nate,


I guess I'm gonna have to come out and figure it out for ya!!:eek: ):h ):h

You'll get it, I have faith in ya;)

[QUOTE=DSTRBD]The run was a bad one since I screwed up the launch and got a 2.2 60 ft. I ended up with a 14.0 at 104 mph I believe. I will have to double check the slip. If I would have had a good launch and hit the juice sooner, mid-high 13's would not have been a problem.QUOTE]

Generally rule is +or- .3s/.1s change at the 60' with cars. Call it .25/.1 for our heavy trucks and backing down to a solid 1.9s 60' shows you about .75s left at the line.

Do you run both shots on a momentary switches or is one on a WOT switch out of the hole? Have you tried launching it out of the whole with both stages? Just curious is you can hook a 100 totatl shot?

The setup is for a WOT switch on the pedal for the first stage and a button for the second. I have them both wired into the button though. I want the first stage to come in sooner though so I may go bac to the original setup.

tts

tbone- I did not try anything else as this stack was the only one that seemed to not have a glitch in it. Looking back now I wish I would have. I am going to try and stack the Juice/***. with the xcelerator and see what happens. I will be heading home tomorrow though so no more track times.

John- I ran it at Baytown Raceway in Texas. Have you tried stacking the Juice and Xcelerator yet??? Just curious, since my juice isn't impressing me compared to my setup from PPE on my LB7 that I had. Very dissappointed....Thanks for all this great info. This helps a lot of us.

No, I have not tried that stack as I cant get the Juice/*** to run good alone. The turbo bark alone will kill your ET. I have been experimenting with the Predator stacked with the Enforcer and it seems to be running strong. I need to get to the track to see what it will do.

I had a Duramaximizer and Programmer in my LB7 last year. The Duramaximizer didn't do too much. I went from a 16:3@79mph to a 15:7@82mph, the I bought the programmer and holy ****, hang on...I went to a 14:2@94mph w/ a limited slip differential, stock tires and stock tranny (which didnt like it.....limp mode at 88mph 1/2 the time.) So the programmer was money well spent, now my question is which enhancer performs better for the LLY's???? Enforcer or Xelerator??? thanks for the info!!

bump??

Not many people around here run PPE's stuff due to their bogus hp claims. -:t

Banchetta- The Xcelerator/Enforcer stack got me a 14.2 @ 94 with the mods in my sig. It is by far the best combo I have ran so far. If I put the truck and myself (330 lbs) on a diet, were knockin on high 13's.

The PPE HP claims are not really bogus as they do have a * that says HP claims represented at the crank. I know some people have had problems with them in the past, but the fact is there stuff for the LLY flat out gets it.

not to piss on anyones cheerios, but to stack and only get a 14.2 is not that great IMO, im not flaming anyones products but to me you should be able to get than number with one program and a built tranny ? or am i way off base here ?

The best I have seen was McRat running 14.5 with the Predator.

tbone- You are absolutely right, its not that great, but the best I have found. I also had 3/4 tank of fuel, spare tire, tailgate, full interior, traveling bags, bunch of Programmers/boxes, and some other goodies with me. If I had been going for flat out ET, I would have dropped most all that off. I was testing to see what it would do on a daily basis, not just at track weight.

The LLY is slowly coming around. Give it some time and I think it will be a good performer. Look at the 6.0L powerstroke. Nobody thought it would be any good, now it runs mid 13's with one box.

very true, i cant wait for someone to crack the LLY so we can have one big box or stack a good combo and get in the 13's like the lb7. its good to hear and see that some folks are testing this stuff out and getting the real #'s that everyone wants to know. i get impatient waiting, but like someone who has an lb7 told me "we didnt get the power we wanted over-night either" - it does take some time

I am sure a bully dog pup stacked with the edge will get the high 13's. Thats if you are lucky enough to get the two to behave perfectly for a couple of passes. Fasttoys made a 14.1 pass on a stock tranny....the track around here is closed until march so we will have to wait and see.

Does slipping the tranny the first time cause a permenant condition?

I have slipped it several times and im sure it hurts it but it still runs fine. To run much faster than 14.14 were gonna need some tranny work or put her on a diet though !! ):h

hey FASTOYS where about are you located?

About 30 minutes north of Topeka, Kansas ! Where the He!! is Wanker County ? LOL

Dodge City

All my truck did with a bully dog stacked on top of edge was lock the doors whenever I got out with truck running and no more power

The bullydog/Juice stack is shaky at best. The higher you go, the worse it gets. I gave up on it because it was not very streetable. Turbo bark, tranny shifting crazy, and bursting were a few of the characteristics it had. THe reason I like the PPE stack so much is it runs silky smoothe even with them both cranked all the way up. For me being fully streetable is important.

I am sure a bully dog pup stacked with the edge will get the high 13's. Thats if you are lucky enough to get the two to behave perfectly for a couple of passes. Fasttoys made a 14.1 pass on a stock tranny....the track around here is closed until march so we will have to wait and see.
Not sure what everyones configuration is but McRat is running a CC LB 4x4. So be sure to take weight into consideration when comparing truck to truck ET's. I myself prefer the back to back testing on the same truck same day same track scenario, but obviously this is not always possible. :(

Edge LLY w/Attitude - It certainly makes power, so why does it run so slow? Even set to Kill, I could not get it to launch hard. I powerbraked it FLOORED for 10 seconds but it never made full boost. 1500RPM was the best I could do.
Just for fun, I tried this on my truck. Level 4, lowboostfuel at 3. I can hit 2500 rather easy. Only did it in 2wd and pushing very hard on the pedal resulting in the rear tires going up in smoke. That was at roughly 1/2-3/4 throttle. But it did build to 2500 before the tires started to spin.

It appears after checking with other people's results that the Edge might have suffered from low air temp.

It was in the low 30's at the track, and others have reported poor Edge performance in cold air.

It appears after checking with other people's results that the Edge might have suffered from low air temp.

It was in the low 30's at the track, and others have reported poor Edge performance in cold air.
Pat my juice quits below 23*f, but the unit is behind battery.
Edge suggested tieing it to upper rad. hose to see if it helps so if it stays cold (-5*f) I'm going to try it.