Just picked up my 05 crew cab, short box, 4x4 dmax and want to put a 6" lift with Toyo 35-13.50-20s on Weld 20x9.5 rims. This is my first chevy so I have no idea on which lift will give me the best ride and least troubles. This will be manily for looks as I don't go off road, my main concerns are no rubbing and perfect street manners. Can someone please point me in the right direction!

RACE CAR DYNAMICS,for the money you cant beat it.

A shop here where I live is trying to get me to go with a 8" Fabtech with 37-13.50-22's........does anyone have experience with Fabtech or think this would be to much?

RACE CAR DYNAMICS,for the money you cant beat it.
Would the wheels and tires I want to run work with no problem? What kind of backspacing would I need?

check out rockymountainsuspension.com I got the 4" lift kit for my last truck there. The people are good and they have dam near every lift avalable with lots of pics.

If you want the best lift then you obvisously want to go cognito. There 7-9 kit would be great for that tire size, and you wouldnt have to crank or trim at all. There kits are knuckle kits but drop the subframe down a full 7 inches unlike fabtech which only drops the subframe down 4.5 inches and then you have to crank like hell to get the 6 inches you need. That will result in horrible cv angles. If i were you i would strongly look at cognito. They also offer many upgrades like heim jointed tie rods and dual front shock hoops and much more. Here is there web site www.cognitomotorsports.com. The guys name is justin and he is exceptionally helpfull. Great custumer service.

Do not buy that 8' fabtech kit it is horrible.

05 CHEVYMAX, Im not sure about running 20's, not too many people that lift there trucks do, you would have to contact the manufactor of any lift you choose to find out that answer. If you go bigger than a 35'' tire you will probably need to regear, keep that in mind. I installed my RCD and it really is a quality lift, the ride is excellent,and alot is due to the Bilisteins shocks-RCD includes them with the lift.

The reason that they do not run 20's is because that you have to get certain backspacing. And the rcd lift is good but i dont think it is the quality of cognito. But trust me both are good.

I've installed the following brands of lifts,I'll list them in order of install difficulty,fit and finish,and ride quality IMO.

RCD - fit very nice,aligned perfectly,and rode and drove like stock(6").
Cognito - same as above but took a little longer to install,lots of pieces(12").
Fabtech - same as above but wore upper balljonts at 12,000miles(8").
Superlift - road and drove nice,aligned good but hard to install(6")
Pro Comp- Crap!Lots of room for improvement(6")
Truckin Suspensions- Super Crap! You name it,it went wrong(6")

fabtech which only drops the subframe down 4.5 inches and then you have to crank like hell to get the 6 inches you need. That will result in horrible cv angles.
This statement is true for ALL Knuckle replacement type lifts, RCD, Rancho, etc. etc. they are a 4" kit "cranked to 6". They are not a "True" 6" lift.

RCD was my choice....Comes with Bilsteins which are hard to beat and as an option you can get duals with a loop for a total of three shocks per side on the front. The ride is great. I'm running 18 x 10" Welds with Nitto 35 x 12.5 Mud Grapplers. There was no cranking done on my torsion bars and I got over 6" of lift - no rubbing on the front tires. Extremely happy with it.

Bryce

If you got 6" of lift there was cranking done.
Crawl under your truck w/ a tape measure, check the brackets that lower the front differential. They are 4", The lower control arms are lowered 6". this is what creates bad c.v. angles. It is why the kit includes the spacers for the c.v. axles.

This statement is true for ALL Knuckle replacement type lifts, RCD, Rancho, etc. etc. they are a 4" kit "cranked to 6". They are not a "True" 6" lift.
It is true for every knuckle lift except the cognito, it does drop the subframe a full 7 inch's or it drops it 10 for the 10-12. They are adjustable because you can crank a little because your cv's are sitting flat when it is at 7 or 10. This is why i would prefer the cognito over anything else. It also has a lot of bracing. That is probally what you meant by a lot of pieces. Yeah it takes a little longer to put on but in the end you have a very strong suspension because of it.

Just talked to Paul over at RCD and measuring the holes comes to 5.5 allowing you to adjust to 6" or 5" via the torsion bars. He explained to me that the kits that keep the CV's level use a new centerlink which relocates the steering knuckle & tie rods - now there are off plane with each other causing wear & alignment issues. If you got any questions regarding what he told me call him at RCD: (619) 588-4723 xt 1.

Bryce

Ask him why the RCD and the Rancho have Identical sub-frames, other than the two bars on the rancho.

I still think the cognito is ten times better than the rcd. You can buy those bilsteins later if they are that important.

and you still will have to trim with 5.5 or 6 inches of lift for 35's. With the cognito you could leave it on 7 and not trim or when you get tired of the 35's and want to go bigger you can. Like to a 37.

i am going with the rcd for the ride it better than stock.weld wheels they are coming out with the new catalog on dec 15..waiting to see if and what is new looking for 18x8.5 20 are to much for me. backspacing needed for must kits is 4.5 or 4 5/8

I have an RCD lift. Great ride. Only lift that comes with Bilstein shocks. I have never encountered a major problem. They have accessories that can be purchased seperatly like double shock kit, polished stainless skid plate and track bars Wouldn't have anything else.
Mark

CST By far the best i believe, love mine, have no complaints... Built better then any others

I like my CST lift. Full 6 inch drop. Heavy duty lift. All parts can be ordered separately as well, which means you don't have to get the shocks that are supplied with the "kit", but you can if you wish.

Santa may be bringing me the dual shock upgrade for Christmas! :ro)
With a set of custom Donahoe Racing remote reservoir shocks that is!
They clear coat the tubes to keep 'em shiny like new!

I do like cst, but i still think that cognito is a better system. On all the lifted forums everyone agrees that cognito is better. Go to fullsizechevy.com, they are doing a comparison between the rcd and cognito.

RCD and Rancho..Identical subframes? I dont think so, bad CV angles?...not with RCD, my torsion bars are cranked to the stock level and cv joints are perfect. Ill show you a pic if u want.

Ok I took a look at this Cognito lift... Just from the pics on their website that has to be the worst looking POS I have ever seen. The design is way to "simple" to support the abuse that most of these trucks used off road will see. I would be will to bet that I could snap that kit in half with little or no problem. There subframe is only tubes with little or no reinforcment.

I guess everyone has a difference of opinions and that is mine. I would even want to have a Whiplash kit again before I bought that Cognito kit.

If you want the best out there then you need to run the CST or the Full Throttle kit... Nothing beats them, hands down. :D


This is a pic of the so called best lift on the market.. I disagree... I beat they have more kit returns from cracks and broken front ends than any other kit....-:t

I have the skid plate on mine, so its hard to get a good idea what it looks like and there's a lot of snow on the ground here so I'm not willing to go climbing under there today. Sorry. :(

If you go to www.californiasupertrucks.com (http://www.californiasupertrucks.com) you can see some without the skid plate in front to help with your decision.

I'm sure there are other good lifts out there. This just seemed to be the best built lift to me that keeps the CVs in line. The decision is yours. Pick what best suits your needs and wallet, but remember, you spent a good deal on the truck, get the best you can afford and find the best shop you can if you're not doing it yourself.
Good luck. :)

you are dumb if you think that is a week suspension, obviously you might be if you bought a pos whiptrash. I am done talking to you people.

I dont think your going to hurt our feeling by leaving...So..bye ):h

Why cause your are closed to open ideas. I tried to help him make a good decision on a really good suspension, but you all wont even look at it so it is pointless for people to even post on here.

Ok lets see here, I was shown this thread and asked for my opinion. Ive done extensive research on suspension design and theory for many applications and have installed/worked on all of this kist mentioned here.

The rcd kit is a normal knuckle lift design as already stated. They have a nice build quality, comes with some good shocks (bilsteins) and overall is a nice kit for a fair price.

The rancho is also a normal knuckle lift BUT has a solid 1 part sub frame making it stronger. It is a little harder to instal on higher milage trucks due to the "settling" that the frame will encouner. Basically the one part sub frames are stronger but might need some prying to make fit since the trucks frame will be tweaked slightly over time. It comes with decent shocks.

I tried to help him make a good decision on a really good suspension, but you all wont even look at it so it is pointless for people to even post on here.Thank you for your insight, the one thing I really like is the ability to go from 7" to 9" without any problems. I talked to both Cognito and RCD and both were very inlightning on IFS suspensions, however I am leanning towards the Cognito as I think I will end up running a 37-13.50-22.Thank you all for your replys and opinions!

Did you check out CST, if you want to go that big, it would be worth your while, as most of the members here recommend, also plan on regearing, stock 3.73's turning 37's dont work so well.

Good choice on the cognito, you will not regret it at all. Good luck.

Did you check out CST, if you want to go that big, it would be worth your while, as most of the members here recommend, also plan on regearing, stock 3.73's turning 37's dont work so well.
I actually just got off the phone with Truck Toyz and they highly recomend the CST, I really didn't want to go that big but I was under the assumption that a 8 or 9" lift would be comparable to my F250 with a 6"? I want something that looks awesome and rides great. . . .everyday. What would you go with gear wise, I regeared my 04 F250 powerstroke from 3.73s to 4.10s and was disappointed. Did not seem to be worth the money?

I still think that you would be happy with the cognito. It has a lot of bracing more than any other and i seriously doubt that you would break that before your truck. They have a lot more upgrades than cst also. Like heim jointed tierods, pitman/idler arm bracing and lots more. Justin is very help full great customer service. I would recommend also looking at www.gmfullsize.com it is one of the best gm truck forums i have found.

just go with the rcd you while love it rides great you can run 35s on it.it will be better than stock.look around on this site you will see more rcd than anthing else

uhh, no you cant without trimming. You can run a 34 or 315. I would go with the 7-9 and clear 35's or 37's with no problem. It is also a much stronger kit.

If you regear I think 4.56 is the way to go. Run a search on a member here under VOODOO. He went with a CST 8 inch regeared and his truck turned out awesome. I think its obvious if you go that big CST stands alone. As far as other forums go, there is no better forum than this one for info on Duramax trucks, no question. You can surf at your own risk though, but remeber there is a lot of bad information out there. I would be careful of someone telling you something about a product that they dont even have, for instance when they say soon to be... well do they really know?

Well everyone has their opinions and mine is this. With the little amount (based on pictures) that is in the front suspension setup of that kit, I bet you I could break it. My last truck had a Full Throttle on it and that truck hit a wall doing 45 mph... The kit did not bend or break and stopped my truck from continuing over the center barrier wall (still trying to figure that one out) but if it would not have been for that kit I would have gone over the wall separating the freeway and into on coming traffic... The front end box kit has to be strong and reliable and I just don't see it in that kit you are talking about.

I know what you mean, after I saw that pic on there website, I wanted to -:t

uhh, no you cant without trimming. You can run a 34 or 315. I would go with the 7-9 and clear 35's or 37's with no problem. It is also a much stronger kit.
315's are 35's,actually most 315's are a little taller than 35's.Not being smart,but I've been following this thread and was wondering how many lifted trucks you've owned or how many you've lifted yourself?

315's are 35's,actually most 315's are a little taller than 35's.Not being smart,but I've been following this thread and was wondering how many lifted trucks you've owned or how many you've lifted yourself?
Does it matter, and if it does i have had one lifted truck with 35's. I am pretty sure that a 315 is indeed a 34 inch tire but it may differ from brands. I have been doing a months worth of research on suspension for my truck. The main guy i talk to is Dark Eternal which is a moderator for www.gmfullsize.com (http://www.gmfullsize.com). He is very knowledgeable and studies this quite frequently. He even did a solid axle conversion on his truck. He became a member here to help shed some light on this subject today and wrote a very long post but was unable to send it all. I have no doubt that i am making a mistake in choosing cognito, and i still think it is one of the strongest lifts made. I think the next step up to strenght is sfa. Do what you want and see how it turns out. I mean take what you want from me but dont over look a certain company because they are not that well known. There website sucks but they have great customer service and Justin who is the owner will answer your emails or phone calls if you contact him. He will give you a lot of info that i cant and pics.

lets not start judging cognito by a picture . i have the cognito lift and think it is the strongest lift i have ever had on a truck i have owned.i have taken my truck through the dunes of glamis over the woops at high speeds and over the bowles above oldsmobile hill . i do have king 2.5 shocks backing me up also so i am sure that helps. i looked at all the lifts before deciding and came to the conclusion that the cognito kit is the strongest and has the least amount of problems with steering etc. call and ask connor at outlawoffroad.com at 9495815001. he is very knoledgeable.

uhh, no you cant without trimming. You can run a 34 or 315. I would go with the 7-9 and clear 35's or 37's with no problem. It is also a much stronger kit. I have the 6" RCD and all I had to trim to clear the 315's (34.8") was the corners of the bumper. It wasn't hard at all, and only took about 20 mintues. I can crank the wheels all the way and there isn't any rubbing issues at all. Just my $.02 :)

That is fine, dont get me wrong the RCD kit is very good, but i think the cognito is better in the sense also that if he wanted to go bigger than the 35's he could go to like a 37x13.5 and clear that.

Don't get me wrong,I think Cognito makes a great lift,but for the money you can't beat any of the mainstream lifts like RCD,Fabtech,Skyjacker,or Superlift. A Cognito or CST would be great if money were no object.I install these lifts on a weekly basis and can tell you my customers for the most part are looking for the best and most cost effective way to lift their trucks.Most people just don't have $2500-$4000 to spend on a lift after making a $600-$800 a month truck payment.As far as trimming goes each truck will be different as far as actual measued tire diameter,wheel width,wheel offset,and body configuration(a CC LB wieghs alot more than a reg. cab LB).MY point is,just because it worked or didn't work for one guy doesn't mean it will be the same for you.We need to give the man facts about what we know about lifts,not opinion. :D

Fabtech is for sure junk, there 8 inch kit is just a add on to there 6 inch kit, whatever you buy dont buy a fabtech

):h What about the procomp lift? No problems here. I have 35's on 17 x 8 weld wheels with 4.5 backspacing with no rubbing. Procomp mx6 shocks. I had to change gears to 4:11. I should have went with the 4:56. Rides better than stock and dont bounce across bumps. Love it.:D

Yeah i think that the pc lift is one of the best decent priced lifts, for the money it is a good lift for sure, i would recommend that over any superlift, fabtech, or skyjacker. The procomp drops the front diff a full 6 inches also which is good.

Fabtech 8" is completely different from the 6", you obviously have never installed either one. All drop brackets, including torsion bar x-member brackets are longer, as well as the addition of new UCA's to correct upper BJ angle. Do you personally have any experience, or are you just calling it junk because that is what you were told?

i am running the fabtech 6 inch kit and its great had a procomp on my old 90 chevy and it was a pain lots of raddles and broken shocks i am running a 18x9 4.5 back spacing on my 04 34 inch tires

Thanks Max, I took BIGWHITEHEAD's comment as a direct insult because I'm running that exact lift and love it(it's in my sig), I was too mad to reply at the time.I think he's one of those "I read it once and now know all guys". The old adage comes into play on this one "you can't win an arguement with ignorant people,besides he's making us WV boys look bad.



Fabtech 8" is completely different from the 6", you obviously have never installed either one. All drop brackets, including torsion bar x-member brackets are longer, as well as the addition of new UCA's to correct upper BJ angle. Do you personally have any experience, or are you just calling it junk because that is what you were told?

Hey, chevhot
What year did you buy the procomp lift? They have done alot of improvement in the past three years. Maybe it was your shocks causing the problems.:cool:

bigwhitehd - you certaintly seem to have installed, driven with, and experienced first hand a lot of different lifts for a 19 year old kid. Do you work in a suspension shop or something?

i bought the procomp kit like 2 years ago i could never get the alinement right sent it to 3 diff front end shops they all told me it was the kit also brang it to a frame shop to ck the frame that was fine it was the kit i liked the idea of the wheel track like stock i like the fabtech kit it was a nice install

Go with the RCD. No problems after 25,000 miles and the ride is great.

Chevhot, here are the pics you asked for, forgive the dirty beeotch.

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thanks for the pics Ben looks great i guess im getting them for xmas for me now

FYI, I spoke with one of the techs at RCD, he stated that their kits only increase front track width by 1/4" each side, 1/2" total. He also stated that the Bilstien shocks included in the kit are specially valved for lifted trucks and are a $400. value.

you are dumb if you think that is a week suspension, obviously you might be if you bought a pos whiptrash. I am done talking to you people.
Follow up: He finally got the truck lifted, Cognito sent him no instructions, sounds like he had to beat the lift into place.
Took it offroading once, and blew up a c.v. joint!

on somthing like this it all comes down to personal preference.........

RCD no problems. I love it!

40,000 miles with the CST, drive it like I stole it, no problems and could not be happier.:ro) Everyone is intitled to their opinion.

I'm obviously partial but I have heard some bad news tossed around about most of the kits on this thread. No personal experience except with a Fabtech on my 95 half-ton years back. I will say that I won't buy anything this side of CST from now on. Not to say that your wrong and I'm wright;) but I've never heard of any complaints from actual CST owners. It drives better than stock, has grease zirks everwhere you'd imagine and remains as tight as a drum after two reckless years. :) If money is no option treat yourself and you won't regret it. I thought the Cognito lift on BigWhiteHD looked great too, but what do I know.:confused:

Ok I took a look at this Cognito lift... Just from the pics on their website that has to be the worst looking POS I have ever seen. The design is way to "simple" to support the abuse that most of these trucks used off road will see. I would be will to bet that I could snap that kit in half with little or no problem. There subframe is only tubes with little or no reinforcment.

I guess everyone has a difference of opinions and that is mine. I would even want to have a Whiplash kit again before I bought that Cognito kit.

If you want the best out there then you need to run the CST or the Full Throttle kit... Nothing beats them, hands down. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


This is a pic of the so called best lift on the market.. I disagree... I beat they have more kit returns from cracks and broken front ends than any other kit....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/Throwup.gif ok well a friend showed me this site and i just had to respond.

I have had a cognito kit installed on my truck and i can say without a doubt it is one of the best kits on the market. If you actually have ever seen one in person you would see the quality is flawless. The kit is more reinforced with bracing than just about anyother kit on the market. If you really need proof i can break it down for you. Ask anyone with any knowledge about lifts and they will agree.

This isn't a matter of opinion. That is the main reason i had to respond to this. Your sheer ignorance amazed me.
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that is my truck back when i had my cognito. did alot more jumpin than that but that's the only pics i have. guess what...NOT ONE THING WRONG WITH THE KIT

Here is my rig on new ProComp 7inch: (read my spec below)http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL469/3039427/6162213/79105367.jpg

Ok I took a look at this Cognito lift... Just from the pics on their website that has to be the worst looking POS I have ever seen. The design is way to "simple" to support the abuse that most of these trucks used off road will see. I would be will to bet that I could snap that kit in half with little or no problem. There subframe is only tubes with little or no reinforcment.

I guess everyone has a difference of opinions and that is mine. I would even want to have a Whiplash kit again before I bought that Cognito kit.

If you want the best out there then you need to run the CST or the Full Throttle kit... Nothing beats them, hands down. :D


This is a pic of the so called best lift on the market.. I disagree... I beat they have more kit returns from cracks and broken front ends than any other kit....-:t I dont really think it is a good idea to have the front differential exposed like it is w/ the cognito kit. A rock, stump, or log could easily hit the front differential the way it is out in the open.There needs to be something to protect the front differential.

This is for Zubyc. Well signing up on a forum so you can post a response is very a very bright idea. Do you have an I always have to be right complex?. I know people who are in the industry and have been for a long time, most likely longer than you are old. I have shown them these pics along with others I have found and they told me all I needed to know about those kits. If you had good luck with it then fine, so be it. I am just telling you that when one of the "BEST" 4WD shops in the business does not carry them for "CERTAIN REASONS," then you have to think that something would be wrong with them, i.e. Lots of problems and unhappy owers.. So go back to jumping your truck and I think we will all get along just fine....

Diesel-N-Dust,
I agree. If you take a stump in the front diff you are SOL!!!... I had the chance to look at one up close this past week, forgot this thread was even here, and I was not impressed at all with the up close look of the build and welds. I am not so good at welding and I could have done a better job than what was done on that kit. The truck creaked and popped when turning and the kit flexed on approach and decent, and the angles were not bad at all. So IMHO (MINE), I would not purchase, take in trade, barter for or any other means that could be used, have this kit and I would not feel safe with it on my truck....That being said, to each his own and what you like may not be what I like.....

Santa may be bringing me the dual shock upgrade for Christmas! With a set of custom Donahoe Racing remote reservoir shocks that is! They clear coat the tubes to keep 'em shiny like new!
I only see Ferd and Toyta on their site. How you gonna make it fit?
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Santa may be bringing me the dual shock upgrade for Christmas! With a set of custom Donahoe Racing remote reservoir shocks that is! They clear coat the tubes to keep 'em shiny like new!I only see Ferd and Toyta on their site. How you gonna make it fit?
http://www.donahoeracing.com/buy.php

This is for Zubyc. Well signing up on a forum so you can post a response is very a very bright idea. Do you have an I always have to be right complex?. I know people who are in the industry and have been for a long time, most likely longer than you are old. I have shown them these pics along with others I have found and they told me all I needed to know about those kits. If you had good luck with it then fine, so be it. I am just telling you that when one of the "BEST" 4WD shops in the business does not carry them for "CERTAIN REASONS," then you have to think that something would be wrong with them, i.e. Lots of problems and unhappy owers.. So go back to jumping your truck and I think we will all get along just fine....

the reason i joined is because you are stating a very misinformed opinion. I am pretty good friends with the people at Full Throttle(one of the biggest companies around right now) and they looked over my kit and pointed out like 2 things they would change. Did you ever think these shops don't carry them because Cognito is a very small shop? Please tell me what you think is wrong with the kit and i will show you why you are wrong. I researched a lot before i purchased my cognito. The problem is many ignorant people confuse Cognito with Twisted. Twisted, while looking the same, is complete garbage. You are speaking from second hand knowledge, while it may be from a good source, it still isn't your expereince. I have had experience with that kit and have seen MANY others in action on my friends trucks. When i suggest kits, it is because i have seen them hold up

exactly zuby, try and figure out which one is twisted and which one is cognito:
The cognito is so much stonger, i wish you could explain what is wrong with them, call justin, he will be more than glad to talk to you about it, or ask me and i can find out for ya










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Caldirt,
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I don't recall if I got a notification on this or not and the home internet has been off until this past Friday (satellite issues)
The owner of the shop that lifted my truck is a friend. He is pretty friendly with the guys at Donahoe. He said he would talk to them and have them make me up a set to work on my truck. I asked him the exact same question that you asked me, but he seemed quite confident about it. I don't know if it was crap or not. I changed my mind on the duals up front for now anyway. No sense spending the money until I'm ready to go higher.

I have the FabTech 8 inch and I could not be happier! I'm also running with 37 inch BFG Muds on 17X10's. Only problem I had was getting pulled over by the cops and being harrassed about the width. My tires stick out about 3" on each side.

I aint saying that the fabtech is the absoulute worse out there, but there is better lifts, fabtech could use more bracing, and some other stuff, if you like your kit good, i know other people that hate them, i am sure that is so with any company.

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you are dumb if you think that is a week suspension, obviously you might be if you bought a pos whiptrash. I am done talking to you people.

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Follow up: He finally got the truck lifted, Cognito sent him no instructions, sounds like he had to beat the lift into place.
Took it offroading once, and blew up a c.v. joint!

What's your response to this?

Also, does any manufacturer make a 6" or 8" lift for a 2005 3500 Duramax? (not a Dually) Requested info from CST about a week ago. They couldn't find the time to respond I guess. Not a good way to get my $$$$$$

Ups lost one of my boxes, the one containing all the u-bolts and the instructions, and you go and climb a hill, with heavy ass Pj's in 4 lo, 1 st gear and see what happens, and that really dont have anything to do with cognito, my angles arent bad at all, but something has to give, and ifs is junk anyhow, so is this all you can find that is wrong with cognito, i like how diesel in dust knows how i installed it, i dont rember him being there, but oh well, i dint have to beat it in with a hammer, and Justin helped me tons over the phone, i guess this is why they have the best customer service around, try it and call him, he will answer anything you ask him.

Do you all have a reason to be mad or skeptical of cognito, cause it seems like you all hate it no matter who tells you it is good, i mean look at zub up there jumping it, let me see a pic of a fabtech doing that, obviously it is strong, whats the problem here

I don't have an opinion of them one way or another. I don't have any experience with their kits, so how could I. I have a pro-comp kit and I am not really impressed. It is a couple of years old so I don't know if they improved on it or not, but they could of definately done a better job in a few areas. I have also had a Fabtech installed on my partners Tahoe. It seems like it is/was a good kit, but it's his old ladies truck, so can't really give honest feedback on it.

i think that procomp makes a good lift or so i have heard, i have seen a few people beat the hell out of those kits and they hold up, but i just dont know why people believe that cognito is junk, i mean if someone could explain to me how or why they think that is i would like to know, i wish de could have posted a better article on here, cause he installs a lot of lifts, and almost every manufacture there is, and he coudl tell you a lot more than i, and he has never owned a cognito lift, but still knows they are strong, because of there design, everything is braced, a lot of bracing, and it is hard to put together, cause of this, but you will have the end result of a very strong suspension, and dont look over the fact that DOM tubing is a lot stronger than plate steel, the welds on mine are very strong, and penetrate good, if you want real upclose pics i will take them to show you, i aint trying to start a fight here, i just wanted to share which lift i thought was the strongest, and i did.

Also, does any manufacturer make a 6" or 8" lift for a 2005 3500 Duramax? (not a Dually) Requested info from CST about a week ago. They couldn't find the time to respond I guess. Not a good way to get my $$$$$$
You can judge or yourself, but I know my opinion of their customer service.


HERE YOU GO TOUGH GUY. WE MAKE THE 6-8 IN LIFT AND THE 9-11 IN LIFT FOR THE
2500 AND THE 3500. ANY INFO FOR THE 2500 ON THE WEBSITE WILL WORK FOR THE
3500.IF YOU NEED MORE INFO THAN THE WEBSITE OFFERS YOU CAN CONTACT ANY
DEALER IN THE DEALER SECTION OF THE SITE.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:23 AM
To: CST
Subject: Information Request




Customer Information Request
===============================

Nathan

I would like a RESPONSE OF SOME SORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sent a request about a week ago and have gotten no response. I want
information on what lift kits you have available for a 2005 Duramax single
(not dually) 3500 Chevy. 6" and 8"

Giver Jeff a call at http://performancelifts.com/cgi-bin/cart/CSS-C3-6.html he should know

damn, that doesnt look good for cst at all

I'd bet that if a supervisor (or some senior person) at CST saw that reply you'd be getting a phone call real quick!

I can't imagine they'd allow any representative to call a customer "tough guy," and then completely blow off any question he had.....

When somebody with a $40K + truck asks a question like that, they obviously have some disposable income and should be treated respectfully -- that way MAYBE they'll buy something!

This type of response makes me wonder what type of attitude you'd get if you actually purchased something from them and then had a question or problem!!!

But, maybe it's some interesting insight to the level of customer service they supply.

Food for thought.

i thought the same thing

I'm totaly perplexed by that becuase I received awesome customer service. Don't judge a company by one bad apple.

yeah, i would like to send this too cst, they are a great company, and dont need assholes giving there company a bad name

We have yet to find out who the asshole is for sure. If he is the owner than he is the company and if he is running the company than for all intent and purpose he is still the company. Either way whatever his position is he is a lame duck, because if you are going to be rude to someone don't do it in PRINT.