Got my TTS triple Disc converter installed at Mike L.'s last friday. All I can say is I wish Steve hadn't made me wait so long:D. Still has every bit as much bottom end as his Single Disc, but it feels slightly firmer when it locks. 1500RPM stall and the truck goes sideways through all gears. Another observation- its quiet. The other triple's I've heard seem to rattle when in park (especially when next to a wall). This one isn't any louder in Park vs. Drive.


Snapped some pictures for the curious:

sounds like a good converter:ro) what ya gunna do with your old one do you wanna sell it):h

sounds like a good converter:ro) what ya gunna do with your old one do you wanna sell it):h
It doesn't belong to Nick anymore. It will be for sale in 2 weeks.
mike

If I recall my Bud in MD has first tibs!

:D

:( I am always a day late and a dollar short):h

I've done a drag day and a truck pull using the TTS Triple, and zero problems. About 2,500 miles including some towing.

:( I am always a day late and a dollar short):h
You may be a dollar short but you are 2 weeks early. Now the Maryland boy has some money, but he would not be interested.:p
mike

Oh My ):h !

Dang I thought it was being shipped out to me already...

Dang I thought it was being shipped out to me already...
Nothing gets shipped when you are a dollar short. Tell you what; I will sell it to you at half price ( it will come in four pieces). All you have to do is put it together.:cool:
mike

Not sure I have the teknikal expertise to put it together, just welding probably won't work. Better wait until mike works his magic on it.
If I was only a dollar short you should have called me I would have sent it to you...

I assume the TTS Triple disk is much better than stock? Would I also be correct to assume that installing an aftermarket converter (or any other transmission work) would void the warranty on the transmiison (and maybe whatever else GM wanted to void)?

I'm sure messing with the tranny voids the warranty, but i'm at 53k...

I assume the TTS Triple disk is much better than stock? Would I also be correct to assume that installing an aftermarket converter (or any other transmission work) would void the warranty on the transmiison (and maybe whatever else GM wanted to void)?


If I or you would alter the Transmission or any part of the drivetrain 1) Most GM techs wouldn't have the technical support to trouble shot nor be expected to warranty some one Else's product,2) I wouldn't want GM returning it to stock.

Certainly GM shouldn't be held responsible to warranty non GM parts.Where ever you have the parts installed or have purchased should warranty the parts and install if something should arise. As far as voiding additional coverage,I could see if something happened from the Transmission back was proven to fail due to the Allison modification then sure.


I wouldn't worry about the Allison IMO ,what modification especially the Transgo kit and Converter won't be turning your Drive Shaft into a twizzle stick or take out your driveshaft unless you absolutely abused the turd out of your truck.

Then ask GM for coverage? Nah,that wouldn't be right.


Mac :D

If I had the money, I'd love to get a suncoast (or similar) transmission. I would imagine if I bought a Suncoast transmission and a TTS triple disc converter, I would never have a problem with it. Ever.

Obvioulsy, I wouldn't want GM messing with a suncoast tranmission... I guess they wouldn't be ablt to void the warranty on anything else on the truck (I have a 5 year 100k bumper to bumper).

I know... stupid questions...

I know... stupid questions...


Not at all do not EVER feel that way here! We enjoy answering question and giving individual opinions to help you or others!

Mac
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We only abuse Mac 'cuz we love him so.......

Tom

Cougar281

Mac is right on. I enjoy helping people and answering questions. I do not have all the answers, nobody does, but I will go to someone that I know and trust and come back with something intelligent to help out. Mac and all the guys have done the same time after time. This is a good Place; this is home.:ro) :D :cool:

mike

Cougar281
I do not have all the answers, nobody does

Not true, your buddy Steve has all the answers or thinks he does anyway ):h

Gues he told you Huh):h

Geez, I am so glad i am not part of these transmission wars):h

Geez, I am so glad i am not part of these transmission wars):h
Well jump in w/ some DTT comments, might as well make this a L O N G thread ):h

Not true, your buddy Steve has all the answers or thinks he does anyway ):h

Not all the answers just a few more than you have!! ):h

Whatsamatter tomac? You pissed cause you are no longer competetive? Now that your stack puts you at 5th place at best; which program you going to next? Hear tell Kennedy has a winner with the Vanaken.Sorry, I heard you tried that and found it lacking.( kinda like your truck)):h Good luck with your next program.

mike:D

Well that's why some of us come here, we get a lot of interesting answers for things we didn't even have questions about yet...

Oh man, here we go again............

FYI, Mike L

No Extreme equipped Duramaxes beat me pulling or dragracing this past season.

BTW, after riding in and later running head to head against an extreme equipped truck today I'm very happy with my current stack and won't be changing it anytime soon.

Well jump in w/ some DTT comments, might as well make this a L O N G thread ):h
Nahh, in January there will be more people to comment on the DTT allison.

I got this one figgered out..... see, it's like this. When others start running it they will see the results first hand.

ATS and Suncoast both make a good transmission. A lot of people here run them with good success and no failures which is good.

There is another player in the game..... Hopefully in January the guys from Mass Diesel will be in Vancouver and training on my truck. Seem like great folks, and i would like to meet them.

FYI, Mike L

No Extreme equipped Duramaxes beat me pulling or dragracing this past season.

BTW, after riding in and later running head to head against an extreme equipped truck today I'm very happy with my current stack and won't be changing it anytime soon.
Sounds like Rat's truck had quite the test drive :eek:

Sounds like Rat's truck had quite the test drive :eek:
Sounds like it ............. ):h

Better check your clutches............and tires..........:eek:

T:cool: NY

You should have put the Van Aaken on Mike's truck and run it against the Extreme......one way or another...all the bull**** needs to be put to rest.....

FYI, Mike L

No Extreme equipped Duramaxes beat me pulling or dragracing this past season.


What trucks beat you 90% of the time? ;)

Did you both run stock to stock, to see the differences between trans and vehicle weight? NO. So you really don't know how they stack up. You are comparing 2 completly different trucks, crew cab short bed vs. standard cab long bed. ATS vs. Suncoast. Quad/ edge vs. TTS. So yea it may have been fun but you didn't prove SH*T. If you want to make a bold statement like that at least compare APPLES to APPLES.

Did you both run stock to stock, to see the differences between trans and vehicle weight? NO. So you really don't know how they stack up. You are comparing 2 completly different trucks, crew cab short bed vs. standard cab long bed. ATS vs. Suncoast. Quad/ edge vs. TTS. So yea it may have been fun but you didn't prove SH*T. If you want to make a bold statement like that at least compare APPLES to APPLES.

WTF, calm down man. Where did I say I was trying to prove anything? All I said is I'm very happy with my current stack and won't be changing it anytime soon. I didn't even say who won the race.

What bold statement.....that he rode in and then later went head to head against an Extreme/TTS equipped truck???? Then said he would be keeping what he had....Where's the bold statement in that? Mike's truck and programs were questioned and how he stacks up.....obviously to the TTS as it is supposed to be the strongest single box....sorry "custom tune" available that benefits zero by stacking anythig else on top...right? As far as comparing apples to apples.....where would that end....tire size....lift pump....last time you changed your filter....come on. Weight advantage goes to the TTS truck....Trans advantage goes to the TTS truck since Steve helped design the Transgo and was able to tailor the shifts not to mention that I recall Steve being less than fond of the Co-Pilot.....Everyone here knows there is bad blood between Mike T and Steve....this was an opportunity to see just where the ball lies and they took it....thing is...Steve could always say that he didn't have the full Extreme....With the Quad and Juice...we all get the same thing when we order one....and in a few days infact....not being custom and all.

What bold statement.....that he rode in and then later went head to head against an Extreme/TTS equipped truck???? Then said he would be keeping what he had....Where's the bold statement in that? Mike's truck and programs were questioned and how he stacks up.....obviously to the TTS as it is supposed to be the strongest single box....sorry "custom tune" available that benefits zero by stacking anythig else on top...right? As far as comparing apples to apples.....where would that end....tire size....lift pump....last time you changed your filter....come on. Weight advantage goes to the TTS truck....Trans advantage goes to the TTS truck since Steve helped design the Transgo and was able to tailor the shifts not to mention that I recall Steve being less than fond of the Co-Pilot.....Everyone here knows there is bad blood between Mike T and Steve....this was an opportunity to see just where the ball lies and they took it....thing is...Steve could always say that he didn't have the full Extreme....With the Quad and Juice...we all get the same thing when we order one....and in a few days infact....not being custom and all.


Can't be denied,right on the money

I drove 'em both......

.....and as far as comparing apples to apples...it is

You take two trucks that are both modified, both using aftermarket trans components and both are using substantial power mods....

NO truck pulling/dragracing org out there mandates you must run this or that for the most part (aside from drugs etc)

Its up to the individual to build the fastest/most powerfull truck and make it hook up. How you do it is your call mostly.

I had my impressions on both before and have them now also.. are they different? Dunno, maybe

All I am trying to say is they really didn't compare anything because the 2 trucks had NO similarities other that they both had a duramax. And DIPPER you are missing my whole point as they didn't run stock power against each other to compare the OBVIOUS differences first. If you want to nit pick about filters and tire size thats your deal, I am just stating the ones that make an actual difference. Sorry that my original thread was a little crude and on the vulgar side.............I guess I should have let myself cool down after the wasted morning I had. Mike I appologize for snapping at your thread. When the track opens again I want to gather as many programs as I can and do some back to back to back testing all of them on the same track, same truck ,same day to answer some of my own questions I have about things. I guess I am just pissed as of lately that most half a$$ informative threads turn into a pissing match of sorts. So lets start at the top with what this thread was originally about. So Nick, now that you have had the converter installed for a week now how do you feel it stacks against what you had?

geeeeeesh..........................run what ya brung and if thats not enuf...........well there always next time...................

Daryl, we arent taking it wrong, but remember, no trucks are the same...

Fastest guy to the stripe wins..

i got to ride in both trucks too! i will say there are differences between the two. i, myself have about the samething as tomac and can say mine fells pretty close to his after my tranny shifts harder now, but my tranny doesnt compare to his! they both feel real strong, but since i have the edge and quad, i dont at this point in time want to change anything i have. everyone keep in mind that this wasnt a full blown race either, just basiclly stop light to stop light dodging white mini-vans. i will say that i was impressed with both trucks!

We didn't do a boosted up launch, just mash and go on green because my truck launches and sixty foots very well. I was at my normall daily driving weight of almost 7000#

i can contest to that! both were in 4X and used the stop light to go

Being as i was one of the few running a TTS single before, its not as much of a change for me. it locks a bit more "solid" than the other and has killer bottom end. but so did the other one too. what i will say is i was worried about the loss bottom end and i'm not now. having driven a few other triples prior to getting steve's i will also say its quieter, especially in park.

I'm happy.:)

So Nick, now that you have had the converter installed for a week now how do you feel it stacks against what you had?

I have heard a triple rattle but they all don't ,mine is quiet.



Mac

Me and Tomac's runs wasnt about seeing whos programing was the best, just about a couple guys having fun and screwing around. Mission accomplished in my book. Besides programing and the trans I believe that the trucks were pretty simmilar, simmilar weight(believe it or not), traction and suspention taken out of the mix ect..... I'm sure the copilots quick shifting and loading the converter in the begining of 2 helped him, I'm sure that me having 265's to his 285's helped me.....it was just about a couple guys having fun, nothing to be some final word in testing. We only lined up twice and took a few spins in each others trucks.

Ditto Mac, My SC 3disk dosnt rattle.

The trans advantage in drag racing goes to the suncoast? No F-ing way. Mike, you sell ATS right;)

I'm looking forward to the day at the drags Darly. Maybe we can get someone with a big VA to come out and see if they stack up;) ):h

The trans advantage in drag racing goes to the suncoast? No F-ing way. Mike, you sell ATS right;)

I'm looking forward to the day at the drags Darly. Maybe we can get someone with a big VA to come out and see if they stack up;) ):h
Not Suncoast, Transgo.....Steve helped design it and he has posted that he has the ability to control the shift or assist the shift.......something to that effect that makes his programs shift quicker/better that no one else does.

The big VA on HemiKiller's truck is a screamer.....I think it would upset some people without a doubt.....shifting like crap I still ran 13.50 with it...since then the shifting problem has been taken care of):h . No doubt it would be worth a tenth or two....guess we'll have to wait til next year to find out....

Nahh, in January there will be more people to comment on the DTT allison.


I got this one figgered out..... see, it's like this. When others start running it they will see the results first hand.

ATS and Suncoast both make a good transmission. A lot of people here run them with good success and no failures which is good.

There is another player in the game..... Hopefully in January the guys from Mass Diesel will be in Vancouver and training on my truck. Seem like great folks, and i would like to meet them.
I talked to Scott the other day and he plans to be up there and have both his done in the next few weeks...I'll be cruising up and checking it out...

Ox

Not Suncoast, Transgo.....Steve helped design it and he has posted that he has the ability to control the shift or assist the shift.......something to that effect that makes his programs shift quicker/better that no one else does.

The big VA on HemiKiller's truck is a screamer.....I think it would upset some people without a doubt.....shifting like crap I still ran 13.50 with it...since then the shifting problem has been taken care of):h . No doubt it would be worth a tenth or two....guess we'll have to wait til next year to find out....
Well,

Where do I send mine in to get it updated or fixed ?????????

T:rolleyes: NY

Well,

Where do I send mine in to get it updated or fixed ?????????

T:rolleyes: NYYou don't have to SEND anything. Just a simple hardware addition as I understand. Haven't tried it myself yet...

What trucks beat you 90% of the time? ;)

Not gen 3 Dodges? ):h

Well,

Where do I send mine in to get it updated or fixed ?????????

T:rolleyes: NY
Still got that thing huh.....reserve wasn't met?

Still got that thing huh.....reserve wasn't met?Maybe I don't understand the question............

It is for sale here in the classifieds, has been for a while..........;)

Maybe you have not checked it lately.........

In case you missed it.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16941&highlight=quad

Trippin has one for sale as well...........

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17421&highlight=quad

Lots of things for sale lately...........

You need one or you already have yours????????

Special price for a friend............:D

Hey,

anyone want to let the masses know what the outcome was.......or is that a guarded secret ?????

Was it close or a blow out ?????

Inquiring minds want to know.....

T:eek: NY
Me and Tomac's runs wasnt about seeing whos programing was the best, just about a couple guys having fun and screwing around. Mission accomplished in my book. Besides programing and the trans I believe that the trucks were pretty simmilar, simmilar weight(believe it or not), traction and suspention taken out of the mix ect..... I'm sure the copilots quick shifting and loading the converter in the begining of 2 helped him, I'm sure that me having 265's to his 285's helped me.....it was just about a couple guys having fun, nothing to be some final word in testing. We only lined up twice and took a few spins in each others trucks.

Ditto Mac, My SC 3disk dosnt rattle.

The trans advantage in drag racing goes to the suncoast? No F-ing way. Mike, you sell ATS right;)

I'm looking forward to the day at the drags Darly. Maybe we can get someone with a big VA to come out and see if they stack up;) ):h

Heart of a SCIII is the transgo kit. ATS locks the converter in the begining of 2 from what I believe so this helps and it knocks off the shifts RIGHT FREAKING NOW. Before I installed the lift pumps the TTS/SCIII ratlled off the shifts nice but I picked up quite a bit of missing power with the install of the liftpumps. I havent had much WOT driving time so I duno if the ally is 100% trained or not??? Shifting a little soft at WFO IMO but it appears to be getting a tad better. Duno if the SCIII by itself will be able to do what i want it to do by itself. EDit: when Mike T went for a spin in my truck we noticed a few shifts hitting the 3500 mark. I will give it some time and possibly reset the taps before i get too anoyed

Maybe I need to try a big VA again? Maybe the liftpumps would help it? Even though when I played with it at Byron I had a fresh fuel filter. No bursting but I did have a bunch of nasty shifting.

I'll let Mike chime in on the outcome:)

Heart of a SCIII is the transgo kit. ATS locks the converter in the begining of 2 from what I believe so this helps and it knocks off the shifts RIGHT FREAKING NOW. Before I installed the lift pumps the TTS/SCIII ratlled off the shifts nice but I picked up quite a bit of missing power with the install of the liftpumps. I havent had much WOT driving time so I duno if the ally is 100% trained or not??? Shifting a little soft at WFO IMO but it appears to be getting a tad better. Duno if the SCIII by itself will be able to do what i want it to do by itself. EDit: when Mike T went for a spin in my truck we noticed a few shifts hitting the 3500 mark. I will give it some time and possibly reset the taps before i get too anoyed

Maybe I need to try a big VA again? Maybe the liftpumps would help it? Even though when I played with it at Byron I had a fresh fuel filter. No bursting but I did have a bunch of nasty shifting.

I'll let Mike chime in on the outcome:)
Been saying all along, it's not the VA's fault....

Let us know if you run that BIG VA again.....

I would be interested in seeing the results as well.

T;) NY

Heart of a SCIII is the transgo kit. ATS locks the converter in the begining of 2 from what I believe so this helps and it knocks off the shifts RIGHT FREAKING NOW. Before I installed the lift pumps the TTS/SCIII ratlled off the shifts nice but I picked up quite a bit of missing power with the install of the liftpumps. I havent had much WOT driving time so I duno if the ally is 100% trained or not??? Shifting a little soft at WFO IMO but it appears to be getting a tad better. Duno if the SCIII by itself will be able to do what i want it to do by itself. EDit: when Mike T went for a spin in my truck we noticed a few shifts hitting the 3500 mark. I will give it some time and possibly reset the taps before i get too anoyed

Maybe I need to try a big VA again? Maybe the liftpumps would help it? Even though when I played with it at Byron I had a fresh fuel filter. No bursting but I did have a bunch of nasty shifting.

I'll let Mike chime in on the outcome:)

Phil, I would be more than happy to loan you mine if you want...although I don't think you're gonna get any different results. The problem isn't with not having enough fuel....I think what you believe is bursting is actually the truck hitting the rev-limiter....the box pushes through the shift.

is anyone going to post some info on these quasi runs between the trucks and some comparisons from the others who got to drive them both ? anyone ?

Juice we are now!!!!!!!!!!! Here til thurs a.m. Wait til Jan nope couldnt do it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Juice we are now!!!!!!!!!!! Here til thurs a.m. Wait til Jan nope couldnt do it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dang..... how are you liking the changes?:D

I would like to go RFN but Shanti needs to train more guys on my truck... LMAO... Stefan also is getting a bit testy about his truck being pulled apart 3 times a day!

HAHAHAHA!... Stefan lol... had to do it.

is anyone going to post some info on these quasi runs between the trucks and some comparisons from the others who got to drive them both ? anyone ?
This is really going to get good.):h I have talked to one person who was there ( and it wasn't my good friend tomac) and a person who claimed he was there but the first person called BS on that claim. I heard 2 versions of the story and they were not even close. Hmmmm.:cool:
mike

i was no where close.... honest

Mike L, what happened in the two versions of the race you heard about.

well how did you watch it then? got it on video? lets see it!

i was no where close.... honest

Hack the DOD computers and watch it from the satelite feeds, the smoke should be easy to spot (like a moving house fire) ):h

Well Eric do u think Rat's truck is low 11 sec. material?

Tim, as it sits now on just programing no way. Maybe If i can shed 2500#'s):h

I know the liftpump wont cure the bursting(becasue it wasnt there) and it wont cure the trany but I figure maybe it would be best to run it again sometime to get some more SOP time to see how hard it runs in a more apples to apples comparison, see if it runs any harder with a lift. Also have my hot juice and I'm going to try the quad stack.

Eric, incoming PM:confused:

:o Missread Erics post

So what was the outcome?):h

Well Eric do u think Rat's truck is low 11 sec. material?I think with traction and a co-pilot he should be low 13.x range. Add spray and should be good for mid to high 12's I think..

Didnt Tomac run a best of 12.50's on just programing? going off memory here

I was no where close.... honest
I only know what happened by what the two people that were there told me and they both told me the same.. so... I was sitting in a parking lot with Moss022 when they were doing there little runnings

geesh Eric, you'ld think the way you were emphesizing things we couldnt read;) lol):h

I think with traction and a co-pilot he should be low 13.x range. Add spray and should be good for mid to high 12's I think..Did Phil and Tomac both launch from the dead stop in 4-HI ?????
The co-pilot has it's advantage no doubt.........Dipper said 1-2 tenths.......I would agree with that.

I ran a 13.34 and Trippin just went a 13.24 on TTS programming only........I believe Carbon04 went a 13.17..........so low 13's are well within Phil's reach as it should be anyone's. Stacked or a big single tune/box.

Trippin is running an ATS/Co-pilot I am not.....

Phil have you scaled your truck for weight as I know mtomac stated his street weight is 7000~lbs or so......

Again Apples to oranges.......did the duramaximizer play into that at all...........tire size , driver ????????

This is a nice conversation but I don't see any easy answer........too many differences.

Whoever won or lost and by how much matters only if all things are equal.

Weight is weight........so get that even and then look at tires, suspension.....etc..........like any serious racer would do .........

Great Job by both .......... this is what we are all after are we not ????

T:cool: NY

Last time I weight was at the track at 6730 with me in it and 3/4 tank of fuel or so and the only thing removed was my light bar(I dono 15-20#'s maybe???). These runs were with my lightbar and more fuel. I duno.....I had a big rib and pork combo for lunch and he just had a cheese burger):h. IMO weights were pretty close, he seems to have a light CC and I seem to have a heavy reg cab. Suspention was take outa the equation since it was a 0 boost lanuch and neither of us broke traction. I had shorter tires- 265's to his 285's so I had the advantage there.

I dont like apples or oranges. For me it wasnt about some sorta compro or race it was just an excuse to drive like an idiot):h

Edit: Also driver had 0 to do with it, just mash it from a stop and hold on:ro), I was slightly asleep at the tree but he just got a frogs pecker lenght of a jump on me, nothing to write home about or to cause a re run.

I think ratlovers truck could break into the 12's on #2 only.