Is it me or our we getting screwed on new vehicle prices in Canada?? I happen to be trying to find a new dmax for the old man as his '07 go wrote off recently, and just for shits and giggles did a vehicle build on the gm websites for usa and canada and wouldn't you know there is almost 17k difference in the msrp between countries, seems a bit odd to me, why when the Ca dollar is at 1.02 american does a truck built in the same plant cost 17k less in the usa???

Taxes and import fees??

there is a class action law suit againt gm of canada apparently because of just that 17k price over the msrp in the us. only about 6=7 grand tax if that for import wheres the next 10 going ?

i was at my local dealer here and he said for the truck i wanted it would work out to 80 grand. soo i called up a dealer in oregon and he said 48 grand. i think 50 grand is already way high but 80 is just insane, it aint a rig

for that it needs atleast another dual wheeled axle lol tandem dual.

GM's pricing is out of sight compared to Dodge.

Ford is not much better than GM up here either.

Do you realize for 80K CDN you can get a fully loaded freightliner M2?
That is what we did in 2005!!!!!

Using a Canadian broker, I'm just about half way through the purchase of a 2007 Chev 2500HD Crew Cab Long Box LMM. The US has a $3500 rebate. Canada doesn't. The difference in MSRP is 62k minus 47k = 15k minus 3.5k = 18.5k The broker looks after all the inspection for Transport Canada, GST, registration fees, all in one single payment. I only need to pay PST when I get the insurance. That's it. So far, everything looks great. I shopped around for a broker and it was not looking great at first. One of them was worse than a used car guy...always interupting, being "real smart" with a snappy answer for everything and answering me for everything I was asking for and then some. Didn't have time to think. Avoid these like the plague. The broker I'm using calm, thorough with answer and keeps things simple - and very, very busy. If you want more info, email me. Once the deal goes through, I'll be in a position to either recommend him or not. The only thing that will affect the actual income is delivery costs from the border to your location. Or, WestJet one way tickets aren't too expensive.

Using a Canadian broker, I'm just about half way through the purchase of a 2007 Chev 2500HD Crew Cab Long Box LMM. The US has a $3500 rebate. Canada doesn't. The difference in MSRP is 62k minus 47k = 15k minus 3.5k = 18.5k The broker looks after all the inspection for Transport Canada, GST, registration fees, all in one single payment. I only need to pay PST when I get the insurance. That's it. So far, everything looks great. I shopped around for a broker and it was not looking great at first. One of them was worse than a used car guy...always interupting, being "real smart" with a snappy answer for everything and answering me for everything I was asking for and then some. Didn't have time to think. Avoid these like the plague. The broker I'm using calm, thorough with answer and keeps things simple - and very, very busy. If you want more info, email me. Once the deal goes through, I'll be in a position to either recommend him or not. The only thing that will affect the actual income is delivery costs from the border to your location. Or, WestJet one way tickets aren't too expensive.

I am curious. What prevents you from visiting the US and buying a truck. Given the NAFTA, can they hit you up for import fees or what is the deal? Please explain.

Would a US title be valid in CA? What about getting hit twice from the tax man? I know that down here if we buy from another state, it depends on the state. Sometimes you have to pay sales tax in one state, and "road tax" in another. I am not sure if that would be as advatagious as one would think, but it might be worth investigating.

Of course there's the whole waranty issue as well...."well that truck came from.......that voids the waranty" I have heard of it happening to a couple of folks. Of course, you could always register it as a US truck, plates and the like, and then take it in as if your a tourist. But getting it across the border may be a little difficult.

US dealers are not allowed to sell to Canadian residents. If they are found out to be doing so, the word on the street is that the dealer will incur serious penalties from the manufacturer. The penalities vary from manufacturer and it is not certain as to what the acutal cases, if any, have for results. However, what is happening - and this has been going on for a long time - is that a broker in Canada (or the US - if the purchase is made for import into the US) has a buyer in the other country. That buyer has connections with the fleet manager of a select number of dealers, representing all the makes.

Here's a bit more about the "mechanics" that I learned over the last month.

A customer goes to a broker, the broker contacts his buyer. If the requested vehicle is at another dealer, the buyer has a good relationship with his preferred dealer, such that, the dealer will make a trade of equal value and demand to the other dealer. If it's a high demand model with low availability, it may not be as easy. But the "scratch my back" is a valued cooperation between dealers, in order to keep sales volume as high as possible.

As well, the buyer (or broker) gets the no-hassel price because he brings sufficient volume to the one dealer. This high volume benefit is maintained even with the trades from dealer to dealer.

GM has a policy of not honoring warranties acrros the border until 6 months after purchase. Shouldn't be no sweat, mostly. But the broker I have said this policy is not strictly adhered to by the local dealer, as they would have a interest in starting a good relationship for the customer in the long run. Believe me, I've been taken advantage of by my local dealer to see how much of an incentive it is for them to use their discretion in waiving the policy. Chrysler, on the other hand, is far away at the other end. Zilch warranty. Ford is way on the other side. North America wide, no problem. Imports vary. Good thing GM, though in between, is closer or next to Ford, as the Chev Silv is the best vehicle I for my needs.

The dealer where I found my desired truck actually has a Canadian flag logo with a slogan saying "welcome Canadian customers" When I enquired, they said they have a buyer that they can assign to me. However the rep was glad to hear I had a buyer in the US. He said that would make things easier.

When the Canadian dollar was low, and availability was high (because of the lower economy) there were a lot of Canadian dealers doing the opposite of what is going on now. Even though the Canadian prices were higher, the exchange rate of .65 or so was a huge enough savings to justify the import fees of a broker.

For me, as it stands now, according to the gm.canada website MSRP build price in, and the exchange rate, import fee and 2 rebates (only available in the US, mind you) and the current offered price of the broker, I'll be saving 17,339. The Cdn MSRP is 61,360.

Ok, what was your door to door price? Tax, title, broker fees, etc. I got a little fuzzy on your math.

What about buying a "used" truck. I know that the US waranty is transferable, is it the same in CA? I mean if the savings are great enough, couldn't you use a US acquatinance to purchase the vehicle, then sell to you as a "used" truck?

I am not an attorney, but this smacks of price fixing and a violaton of NAFTA. If manufacturers can buy and sell across borders, is there a restriction on citizens doing the same thing? Clearly, GM builds in Canada (my '02 has a door sticker that said assembled in Canada) and sells in the US. I can buy other things in Canada and Canadians can buy consumer items here. Why not trucks and cars. BTW, the RV dealers are apparently up to the same market/dealer protection nonsense.

If you lived down here, I'd say write your congressman. I am sure that there is a legislative equivalent. You are right Nafta was supposed to make things easier with regards to the flow of commerce.

Re: Would a US title be valid in CA?

Nope. Before exporting a vehicle to Canada, you have to show US Customs the right papers to show that there are no liens etc. This is designed to protect the US consumers.

Re: What about getting hit twice from the tax man? I know that down here if we buy from another state, it depends on the state. Sometimes you have to pay sales tax in one state, and "road tax" in another.

If the dealer is aware that the sale will result in the vehicle being registered out of state, the dealer may or may not exercise it's discretion to add on state sales tax.

Re: Of course there's the whole waranty issue as well...."well that truck came from.......that voids the waranty" I have heard of it happening to a couple of folks.

See previous post about GM, Chrysler, Ford

Re: Of course, you could always register it as a US truck, plates and the like, and then take it in as if your a tourist. But getting it across the border may be a little difficult.

A Canadian resident can't register it in the US, as far as I know. Then, at the border, they'll confirm your citizenship and residency and see a mismatch with the papers of the truck. Of course you could take a risk and tell them whatever you want to make it go your way, but you'll be breaking the law and if you're ever caught, you're toast. You could be arrested and most certainly be flagged so future travel over the border may be prevented or highly scrutinized. Your vehicle could also be impounded.

Nope. Get your papers in order. Better yet, let the broker do it since he does dozens a week. (No - I am not a broker)

Ok, what was your door to door price? Tax, title, broker fees, etc. I got a little fuzzy on your math.

There's lots more calculations. I tried to leave some out, but the deal's not done so it'd be best to wait. Everything will be made clear then.

What about buying a "used" truck. I know that the US waranty is transferable, is it the same in CA? I mean if the savings are great enough, couldn't you use a US acquatinance to purchase the vehicle, then sell to you as a "used" truck?

Yes, I've considered that. Checked with a dealer further south today for comparable config and nearly same MSRP. Turns out they have one and a family family is in the same city. He's actually a dealer too (used).

But the hoops are daunting: You have to have your document "ducks" all lined up in a row. It also has waiting time if you don't deal with the government in bulk.

The brokerage fees are saved if you do it yourself. But, you'll have to look after:
•Pay the Air Conditioning Excise Tax
•File with Registrar of Imported Vehicles - and pay fees
•Check and complete any outstanding recalls your vehicle may have - required by US Customs -
•Federal inspection (required for all imported vehicles) - and pay fees
•Provincial Inspection - and pay fees
•Install daytime running lights - pay for labor - sometimes just a flip of a switch
•Replace in-dash speedometer that makes it km/h in big print and mph in small print - where do you get these? google
•Change odometer
•Carfax vehicle history report (if it's a used vehicle from an unknown seller)
•Certain vehicles require exstensive modifications to comply with Canadian Safety Standards
•Frieght charges - or you can travel for yourself, and pay for hotel and meals
• Vehicles not manufactured in North America are subject to a duty Charge.
• Passenger vehicles that weigh in excess of 2207 KG will be subject to the excise tax on overwieght vehicles

Plus, you'll have to take time off work or cut your spare time to do the research for what you need, locating the vehicle and traveling

The do-it-your-self mode is best reserved for bathroom faucet gaskets.

If it sounds like I'm a broker, I'm not. I've just copy and pasted some of the things from the broker's website and added my own stuff in from my own research. I just want to go at this because I appreciate the need for some people to check this out.

I've bumped into a local user who shook his head and said he wouldn't ever go that route. Turns out, after talking with him, he's good friends of the local GM dealer. Well, I'm sure he'll be bringing it up just to give his friend a heads up. Well, so be it. Maybe GM will get the message. Porsche just brought it's prices down but not enough to make a big difference.

I was totally unaware of the hoops that were involved. And I know that some of the above suggestions that have been proposed may be a little on the shady side of the regs, but I wasn't sure what all of the rules and regs were to begin with. I know, ignorance of the law is no excuse....

With that being said, it may be more cost effective in the long run to hire a broker. Especially when you break down your hourly rate versus the brokerage fee.

Well get this, as we are getting screwed on vehicles so are we on parts. We just had a rep from snap-on, the new global gm parts cataloge software provider in today installing the new software and he was showing us the difference between parts prices USA vs CANADA and just for example the dealer cost on a complete duramax filter housing with primer pump in canada was $624.00 ish, and just guess what the price was south of the 49th, well hows $311.00 for ya'll. Just another shot in the arm, if you thought we weren't getting @$^%%$ before how about now??

My biggest bitch on this whole thing is that when the CAD was at 90 cents you still saw prices that were based on when the CAD was .62 per USD...it seems to me that all companies that sell their product in both countries and I am including the auto mfgrs, rec vehicles, books & magazines everyone in fact kept their pricing to a point where they kept on making increasing margin on the strength of the CAD dollar. They bought cheaper and cheaper but still want to sell as if the CAD was still .62.

point in fact. I was in TO airport last week. went to a news stand. bought a mag priced 3.99 USD / 4.99 CAD. Now that is still 20% difference.! I offered the woman US currency and she would not accept just 3.99 - she wanted 4.99 regardless. I told her to shove it up her *$$...I didn't want the magazine anyway...just to prove a point. That stuff Pisses me off.

you bet we are getting hosed. This extends to aftermarket parts as well. I have tried and tired to buy some parts and your guys in the US will not ship to Canada. Why..??

It's bad enough we pay through the nose for taxes. :mad:

Ahhh hell don't get me going...makes me want to get an FAC. (firearms acquisition certificate)...and take a little trip to Ottawa.:cool:

stk

point in fact. I was in TO airport last week. went to a news stand. bought a mag priced 3.99 USD / 4.99 CAD. Now that is still 20% difference.! I offered the woman US currency and she would not accept just 3.99 - she wanted 4.99 regardless. I told her to shove it up her *$$...I didn't want the magazine anyway...just to prove a point. That stuff Pisses me off.


stk

You following me? I tried that trick to buy a book last week (Caveman voiceover "Yes, John can read huh huh")
And had the correct change in US funds at a Coles bookstore here. Guess what, not only would she not sell me the book at face value in US funds, she offered to take the US cash at PAR.

I looked at her and said, thanks, I will now go shopping at Amazon.com.

Screw this BS.... enough is enough already, and that fidiot harper telling his 'fellow Canadians' to become better shoppers for the best deal... what a prick!

Us, Dealers Have Been Told That If They Sell A New Truck To Canada, The Only Way They Will Get Another Diesel Truck Is By Ordering It In Parts...period

I was just at Canada custom's to ask on a GM pick-up Their is paper work from the dealer you give to American customs. You pay $100.00 AC tax $206.00 registration, at the boarder. Transport Canada then sends you a form with the things you need changed, and inspected. The inspection is done at Canadian Tire, the only changes they said had to be done is the removal of the daytime running lite switch that GM uses in some American trucks so you can shut off the daytime running lites that was $58.00 to cut a wire. Go to the Canada customs web site and the Transport Canada website or call them.

Us, Dealers Have Been Told That If They Sell A New Truck To Canada, The Only Way They Will Get Another Diesel Truck Is By Ordering It In Parts...period


To add to that, I heard they are trying to restrict sales of 2008MY trucks up here.

The Canadian dealers are putting pressure on GM and Revenue Canada (Customs) to kaibosh cross border shopping

To those bastards I say this "What about the effen NAFTA, and Free Trade Agreement that the Gov't brought about? Does it not apply to Private Citizens or just to the Government and Industry when it suits their needs best?"

This whole thing stinks to high heaven like price fixing.

To add to that, I heard they are trying to restrict sales of 2008MY trucks up here.

The Canadian dealers are putting pressure on GM and Revenue Canada (Customs) to kaibosh cross border shopping

To those bastards I say this "What about the effen NAFTA, and Free Trade Agreement that the Gov't brought about? Does it not apply to Private Citizens or just to the Government and Industry when it suits their needs best?"

This whole thing stinks to high heaven like price fixing.

We are getting FCensoredD by everybody!! Bombardier, have u priced a 4 wheeler US/Canada lately? And Honda is doing it too. I am talking $10K more for an Accord built ( priced at a dealer in Alliston, Ontario, where it is built, and the same Alliston built car sold in the USA. ) This was on a radio show a couple of weeks ago.

Time for these guys to wake up and sharpen their pencils, because they are all doing it.

Gas companies think we are stupid too, have u heard the excuses lately? " Well, this was refined when the dollar was not as strong..... And it was not as windy that day......But it was sunny..... And the Leafs are going to win the cup..... And the BS goes on"