I figured it was about time to post some pictures up of the elusive Cheetah turbo's that have been crawling around under the hoods of several trucks lately :eek:

There are multiple variations available. The unit pictured below meets the 2.5 workstock rules of "appearing stock" and will not accept the plug gauge. Although it houses a 70mm comp wheel. :eek: Call it magic...

The turbine section has been massaged and contains the best parts in the industry to create a high flowing high boost variable turbocharger perfect for competitive work stock trucks and superstreeter's alike. The 70mm Cheetah is producing 43-45 psi w/ drive pressures not exceeding 60 psi. (EDIT: <---Very Dependent on Tuning)

Smaller variants are also available with quickspool compressor wheels and high flow turbines, and for the guy who isn't going for huge gains, we have CNC machined compressor covers, backplates and uprade compressor wheels for better boost and response from an otherwise stock charger.

All versions of this turbo are only available as a brand new turbocharger. Core turbo's are only accepted if you are willing to vouch for the integrity of the turbo assembly. Essentially you're getting a turbo custom built to order.


Please contact us via email or PM for details and feel free to ask questions in this thread.

Thanks,

Brayden @ FPE
www.fleeceperformance.com (http://www.fleeceperformance.com)
brayden@fleeceperformance.com

Saweet!!!! are those powdercoated..?

That's just paint.. But I can have the comp cover/backplates anodized or powder'd ... but they don't appear stock then ;)

I figured it was about time to post some pictures up of the elusive Cheetah turbo's that have been crawling around under the hoods of several trucks lately :eek:

There are multiple variations available. The unit pictured below meets the 2.5 workstock rules of "appearing stock" and will not accept the plug gauge. Although it houses a 70mm comp wheel. :eek: Call it magic...

The turbine section has been massaged and contains the best parts in the industry to create a high flowing high boost variable turbocharger perfect for competitive work stock trucks and superstreeter's alike. The 70mm Cheetah is producing 43-45 psi w/ drive pressures not exceeding 60 psi.

Smaller variants are also available with quickspool compressor wheels and high flow turbines, and for the guy who isn't going for huge gains, we have CNC machined compressor covers, backplates and uprade compressor wheels for better boost and response from an otherwise stock charger.

All versions of this turbo are only available as a brand new turbocharger. Core turbo's are only accepted if you are willing to vouch for the integrity of the turbo assembly. Essentially you're getting a turbo custom built to order.


Please contact us via email or PM for details and feel free to ask questions in this thread.

Thanks,

Brayden @ FPE
www.fleeceperformance.com (http://www.fleeceperformance.com)
brayden@fleeceperformance.com


This should get interesting :D . You gonna go ahead and put that on mine.
Trans demonstration = turbo.;) I personally think it's a very fair trade.

What do you think I was doing this afternoon?

Waiting on the turbobrake guy to show.

You'll get a turbo don't worry.

I figured it was about time to post some pictures up of the elusive Cheetah turbo's that have been crawling around under the hoods of several trucks lately :eek: I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THOSE NASTY RUMORS;)

There are multiple variations available. The unit pictured below meets the 2.5 workstock rules of "appearing stock" and will not accept the plug gauge. Although it houses a 70mm comp wheel. :eek: Call it magic...

The turbine section has been massaged and contains the best parts in the industry to create a high flowing high boost variable turbocharger perfect for competitive work stock trucks and superstreeter's alike. The 70mm Cheetah is producing 43-45 psi w/ drive pressures not exceeding 60 psi. (EDIT: <---Very Dependent on Tuning)

Smaller variants are also available with quickspool compressor wheels and high flow turbines, and for the guy who isn't going for huge gains, we have CNC machined compressor covers, backplates and uprade compressor wheels for better boost and response from an otherwise stock charger.

All versions of this turbo are only available as a brand new turbocharger. Core turbo's are only accepted if you are willing to vouch for the integrity of the turbo assembly. Essentially you're getting a turbo custom built to order.


Please contact us via email or PM for details and feel free to ask questions in this thread.

Thanks,

Brayden @ FPE
www.fleeceperformance.com (http://www.fleeceperformance.com)
brayden@fleeceperformance.com

I still want my updated version in Kentucky chrome. Steal a can from Chase.:D

He like's his Can-O-Chrome doesn't he :anitoof: <--That smiley is priceless!

Interesting. You said variable so that mean we can retain our VVT style turbo with more boost? If so that's something I've been waiting to see...

OT but why the hell is there a dodge on your website banner? Not even a diesel...

The web guy created that temp page...The site behind it is better ;) Just not ready for the public yet.

Yes the turbo is completely variable and retains all factory features.

LB7?:D


What about those oldskoolers?


Good work Brayden!;)

LB7 is not ready for pictures yet ;) Give me a few more weeks.

But same rules apply.. Looks stock, but isn't.. but is.. well heck.. If you can't beat 'em Cheetahm :D

Cool!

I doubt I will put something that little back on my truck but you never know.

I guess I should clarify.. It meets the 2.5 inducer bore rule that may or may not be a rule that applies to you.

I guess I should clarify.. It meets the 2.5 inducer bore rule that may or may not be a rule that applies to you.

Johnboy is jumping to street - if he ever finishes the darn thing!!! A handshaker Dmax in street:eek:

What kind of power increase can someone expect to see with an all out 70mm unit?

I'm running a 70mm unit on my truck and have yet to dyno it. I can tell you that it shines in the higher rpm's so the sled pullers can run 4400+rpms and make good boost and drive pressures.

Dyno testing is planned, but on my poor old LLY it probably won't be anything amazing.. She's naturally decompressed ;) Short rod syndrome.

We have plans to dyno the other trucks shortly to get some hp/tq results. Seat of the pants on the 70mm is a very nice hit of power from 2000 rpm to 4x00 rpm's :D

LB7 is not ready for pictures yet ;) Give me a few more weeks.

But same rules apply.. Looks stock, but isn't.. but is.. well heck.. If you can't beat 'em Cheetahm :D

LOL!
How would these turbo's do in per-bank(parallel) turbo charging?

very cool brayden!! :ro)

Any rough guess as to power output with this? Good for mid 12's on an LLY? Does it sound different than a stock VVT? Im impressed you were able to keep drive pressures in check. What about EGT's???

I hope Fingers sees this ;)

Were you running dual cp3's and big turbos on your truck? Is that how you decompressed it?

ben

very cool brayden!! :ro)

Any rough guess as to power output with this? Good for mid 12's on an LLY? Does it sound different than a stock VVT? Im impressed you were able to keep drive pressures in check. What about EGT's???

I hope Fingers sees this ;)

Were you running dual cp3's and big turbos on your truck? Is that how you decompressed it?

ben

Ben,

I'll be putting a variation of the one pictured above on my truck within a month or so (hopefully) and I plan to have it dynoed. We'll also be adding a modded regulator at that time while we're down that far. No dual CP3s, I don't want short rod syndrome (on the truck either:eek: ).

Importkilla and I rode in Brayden's truck with the above setup and it was pretty impressive to say the least.

Good deal Brayden. I heard you were working on something. I'm still finishing off my GT4204R guts into the stock housing. Requires new vanes and a few other things to work. Staying with a journal bearing setup and a smaller wheel would have made it much easier.

I can imagine Jon.. 4202 parts are very large.

I do however have a source for high speed bearings that I may try and implement into the quickspool versions to make them even better.

Ben my truck has tested so many different things that it's just tired. SRS (short-rod-syndrome) ;) is probably from running my mod'd cp3 and lot's of timing, and lot's of boost, for a long time :D

I don't see why a truck with all the right supporting equipment won't make 550+ rwhp.

I guess you could run them in parallel if you wanted. I can size them up or down from stock into whatever you require. You would require some way to control them if you had an LB7 and our TurboBrake controller would handle that.

LOL!
How would these turbo's do in per-bank(parallel) turbo charging?

Cool Brayden. I just about forgot about your little project. Glad I didn't let the cat out of the bag from June when I stopped by. Man it needs to rain so I can get outta the fields and get down there.

Ryan

Stock pedestal I take it??

Yes. The pedestal is cast into the stock turbocharger. From the outside everything looks completely stock.

How does it compare to my 4088?? Is the driveability/ towing still there.

I personally have never ran a 4088 but our middle of the road charger should have the same response or better as your 4088.

Let us know when you get done with the lb7s:cool:

Let us know when you get done with the lb7s:cool:


x2, you have a pm

i like the name!

brayden are you machining the ehaust side too or is just a bigger compressor side wheel?

what kind of boost numbers are you looking for out of the lb7 with 70mm wheel?

Would one of these compare to a BD or HTT in spec? I plan to run MPI's larger set of twins, and I might be neat to still use my Turbobrake when it gets here.;)

There are three turbine options and two compressor wheel options as of now.

Pricing will be released shortly.

what would these be comparable to that are out on the market now.

Nothing.. :D That's why I built them.

The 70mm could be compared to a 4294 that is variable. The other's will spool much quicker!

Nothing.. :D That's why I built them.

The 70mm could be compared to a 4294 that is variable. The other's will spool much quicker!



So it would be comparable to a 4294 power wise, but spool quicker and easier.....Right?

How does your big charger compare to an A5000? Power wise and ease of spooling?

On an LLY of course.:D

x2, you have a pm

x3 PM sent.

Nothing.. :D That's why I built them.

The 70mm could be compared to a 4294 that is variable. The other's will spool much quicker!

Easy there big guy, I wouldn't say nothing... Some have been built and tested for an entire season already with great success. Some just wait till all the test data is aquired before selling to the public for obvious reasons. I will give you credit though, it is a nice looking piece that you put some time and energy into, i just hope the numbers back it up for you.

Easy there big guy, I wouldn't say nothing... Some have been built and tested for an entire season already with great success. Some just wait till all the test data is aquired before selling to the public for obvious reasons. I will give you credit though, it is a nice looking piece that you put some time and energy into, i just hope the numbers back it up for you.

Jeez... ouch.. Did you work late last night on that car's exhaust? Got up on the wrong side of the bed.

It makes more boost, at a lower drive pressure than stock... That's the data I was looking for.

can't wait to see the out come of these i would love to be able to get a larger turbo that looks stock adds to the sleeper effect

Jeez... ouch.. Did you work late last night on that car's exhaust? Got up on the wrong side of the bed.

It makes more boost, at a lower drive pressure than stock... That's the data I was looking for.

No, you know exactly what I meant by that. You have known me long enough to know how I am and I wasn't trying to be mean about anything.:D

So what is the cost to performance ratio? I know you probably dont have the dyno numbers still but do you have any track data? Do you think these turbos would be a good choice for a daily driver? Do you think you could make a reliable 11 second daily driver with one of these turbos. I would assume so since you say the 70mm is equal to a 4294. What are the choices as far as sizing is there only a couple or are there several? Thanks

Randy

Sounds interesting, so I take that it retains the stock variable vanes?

Yes.

Where do I find one of these for my lb7, and how much or maybe I need to be a guine pig

are you going to offer any kind of deal like you buy a turbo and get the turboBrake with it or anything

PM Sent

Any update on pricing? I need one soon the track closes OCT31!!!!!!!!!!!

Any update on pricing? I need one soon the track closes OCT31!!!!!!!!!!!
X 2, you can PM me the price if necessary

so Brayden how do drive pressures compare to a non-vvt turbo?? I know stock, the VVT has roughly double the boost pressure. How are EGT's?? The VVT's are notorious for high EGT's, but I would assume yours is better because drive pressures are lower? So I wonder if your VVT will stop overheating!? :stirthepo: :D

Would you guys be interested in some LMM experimentation? I'm doing a build this fall/winter, and I'm looking to make some big numbers.

so Brayden how do drive pressures compare to a non-vvt turbo?? I know stock, the VVT has roughly double the boost pressure. How are EGT's?? The VVT's are notorious for high EGT's, but I would assume yours is better because drive pressures are lower? So I wonder if your VVT will stop overheating!? :stirthepo: :D

As far as drive pressures I took a ride in Brayden's truck and with the current turbo setup IIRC boost was 45psi and 60psi drive pressure. Pretty good. Can't remember what egt was.

Those turbos are very cool looking..

What is being used for the main shaft? Stock?

i like the name!

me too!

What is being used for the main shaft? Stock?

Yes

me too!
x3

Yes


Not the stock turbine wheel and shaft....

Shaft is the same diameter in all critical areas.

I figured "Cheetah" would get a few responses :D derived from the latin word "cheater" pronounced with a distinctly hoosier accent "Cheet-uh"

Not the stock turbine wheel and shaft....

Shaft is the same diameter in all critical areas.

I figured "Cheetah" would get a few responses :D derived from the latin word "cheater" pronounced with a distinctly hoosier accent "Cheet-uh"

Yeah, sorry meant stock shaft for that wheel not the original one out of the charger, right?:D

Billy Madison mode [ON] That is Correct!

$$$$$??????? Can you give us the Prices and Some hard Details on the units?

PM for prices. It's a forum rule..

Uploading video's right now :D

This is it starting up and running..

Large video! Dial-up Beware!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_VqAC2yBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOuebjklLSY

I must say that sounds awesome.:D

Wow, that bugger sounds good..

This is it starting up and running..

Large video! Dial-up Beware!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_VqAC2yBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOuebjklLSY
Badass! Sounds like a A10!!!

What I wouldnt do for a coupla grand right now. One of these would be on my doorstep by Monday. Sounds sick!

OK, I have a stupid question. What is the install time on one of these and how hard is it to do?

ok im hooked now. do they work on lmms? finally, i dont have to buy a 6.0 to have a jet.

Install time depends on your mechanic. If you are him and you've never done one expect it to be a good days job. I personally prefer to pull the trans, but Jerrod and I didn't this time and it took about the same time... 5 hours or so. That was with me assembling the turbocharger.

I will accept core turbos to build up and it is a cheaper alternative.. The catch is.. You are assuming responsibility for the turbo's condition.

I have parts for 20 turbo's in stock. PM for pricing.

Thanks,

Brayden

After this week I should know whether I can use this charger on an LMM.

A 6.0 has nothing on this charger.. or truck for that matter :D

The sound alone is probably worth the price!):h :eek:

The sound alone is probably worth the price!):h :eek:

thats why i want one:D

I just need to see dyno numbers to seal the deal.

Brayden I know this is a pulling truck but do you ever plan on taking it down the strip to see what it will run with this turbo?

Heck you should hear the big charger :D

The sound alone is probably worth the price!):h :eek:

We're headed to Danville to dyno it sometime this week. Probably thursday.

Mark & I have been throwing numbers back and forth but I'll wait to see how it does.

SOTP or the ass-o-meter says it's NICE ;)

We're debating on whether to take it to ?kilcare? for the drag race or to the pulling track :D I'd like to see a 12.60 from it.. but we'll see.. It's not my truck :(

thats awsome brayden, cant wait for the lb7

We'll let the people decide were it goes this weekend, the strip or hooked to the the sled, doesn't matter to me. For the sake of FPE I'll take where ever people want data from. It's up to you guys.

I vote for the dragstrip, but thats just me. Do you have any before numbers to compare to the current setup?

i say sled pull the thing

True test... my vote goes to double duty... drag and pull...

It's a regular cab, I vote drag race.

I couldn't hear a turbo over that loud ass fass pump... :D




Naw it sounded nice, but seriously that pump is loud. You have it tuned to run open at idle so it rumbles more? Or with the turbobrake? Sounded that way.

The camera is sitting on the bedrail.. which amplifies it tremendously.

That is a new FASS much quieter than the older ones.

NEW VID :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QELCK7xe8-o

thats supposed to be quiet! wow now I really do like my TTS pumps

There's a pretty good lag in that video.. It's not the turbo. Anybody with an LBZ/LMM can vouch for the horribly long lag in the 6-4 power downshift.

But you get the idea of the in-cab sound.

Sounded nice there. You need a 0-130 run to really get the sound right.

Not with my driving record ;)

Too many of those runs...

and "uh.. Officer I was just getting some sound clips for the website"

Doesn't seem to hold too much water :(

We'll let the people decide were it goes this weekend, the strip or hooked to the the sled, doesn't matter to me. For the sake of FPE I'll take where ever people want data from. It's up to you guys.


If you want to know where its at power wise the trap speed at the drag strip will tell the tell.(Provided you have an accurate weight for the truck)

The camera is sitting on the bedrail.. which amplifies it tremendously.

That is a new FASS much quieter than the older ones.

NEW VID :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QELCK7xe8-o

Uh, Jerrod, your truck has now been over 90.:eek:

Do the 0-130. Where is there a cop in N Salem? Better yet, we need a sound clip from the donut shop!:D

Ed.. We're going to need the Dune Grapplers :D

That was crossing right in front of the donut shop..

:D

sounds awesome, looks like it pulls real strong through the mid-range.

Riley

Yes it does.. That's what all the passengers have stated.

Should work well for pulling.. Rev it out to 4xxx rpms and let it lug back into the sweet spot.

Is there any way to run a variable vane version on an lb7 or would it even be worth the hastle. Sounds incredible by the way. Hope the lb7 version sounds as good:D

It can be done. I can program a TurboBrake to control it instead of the ECM.

Sounds good. I thought for a minute there you were at the Airport waiting for take off! I could just see the truck launchin through the front of your shop!

Sounds good. I thought for a minute there you were at the Airport waiting for take off! I could just see the truck launchin through the front of your shop!

You need one!

Would there be any advantage to running the variable vane over the wastegated turbo on the lb7?

You would not be able to use a vvt on a LB7 unless you had some type of computer to control it.

About 10 posts ago I stated that it can be done.. I think he's refererring to that. The TurboBrake could control these turbo's if I program them that way.

sounds good Brayden :D

There will be no mistaking that charger you would here it far before you see it that is awesome good work, how are the 1/4 gains?

not to be an ass but could you make a vid of it driving by and stopping and taking off under normal driving circumstances?

not to be an ass but could you make a vid of it driving by and stopping and taking off under normal driving circumstances?
I think everyone's normal driving is different:)

I want one for my LB7! :D

just ordered mine!:)

I think everyone's normal driving is different:)

the way youd drive with your grandma in the car.;)

the way youd drive with your grandma in the car.;)
Ok. That kinda normal. My grandma drives as fast as I do sometimes in her Escalade.

Yeah. If you need more vid I can do that.

I'll video the dyno run on Thursday also.

I would like to volunteer to beta test! Not sure if the tranny can take it though!!:D

Yeah. If you need more vid I can do that.

I'll video the dyno run on Thursday also.

What time you doin the Dyno run? You doin it down the road and around the corner in D-ville? If it rains enough on thursday I may run down and watch If I can get away.

Hey I built your trans.. That's a shot to the balls :eek:

You should've piped up when I had your trans out.. The turbo's are easy to install then! Probably would've given you one to try.

Oh well too late now :D

Brayden

I would like to volunteer to beta test! Not sure if the tranny can take it though!!:D

Ouch!!

hahaha bummer

Hey I built your trans.. That's a shot to the balls :eek:

You should've piped up when I had your trans out.. The turbo's are easy to install then! Probably would've given you one to try.

Oh well too late now :D

Brayden

Just a friendly kick in the nutz! Never crossed my mind about the charger, I think I already have the MORE POWER bug!!!!

Just a friendly kick in the nutz! Never crossed my mind about the charger, I think I already have the MORE POWER bug!!!!
Once you're bitten by that bug, you'll never get rid of the itch!

Ttt.

Well, I won't spoil the surprise for Brayden and J-rod but the charger sounds sweet on the dyno. I am sure that he will be on here soon to post the numbers for all to see.

Well, I won't spoil the surprise for Brayden and J-rod but the charger sounds sweet on the dyno. I am sure that he will be on here soon to post the numbers for all to see.

I know my wallet isn't going to like it!!!!:p::D

Nobody's wallet is going to like it.. Pictures in a few seconds :D

Well, I won't spoil the surprise for Brayden and J-rod but the charger sounds sweet on the dyno. I am sure that he will be on here soon to post the numbers for all to see.

Who wants to see dyno results - I want donut shop video!:D

Braydon, would you say the LB7 version can be used with a stock-rod engine relatively safely? If so, what kind of boost numbers are we talking? Same (or close) as the reported variable numbers? Cyl pressures within reason? Any info you can give me would be appreciated.

It was fun! I was there too. IF the Video sucks, it's my fault!

Tom,

LB7 version hasn't been completed yet.. I'm still working through the options.. Do you want GT42 size parts? :D

These turbos should hang with the medium sized pedestal chargers available now. They're not intended to make 50+ psi, although I have log's that have spiked to near 45psi on my 70mm Cheetah.

Headstuds aren't necessary IMO.. Cylinder pressure is more a function of timing, fuel pressure, etc than boost.. Adding 10-20 psi of boost is nothing compared to what 1 degree of timing can do to cylinder pressure.

Here's the link to the Competetion results page with the numbers and dyno graphs.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188736

A-ha. Thanks for the info!

Naw.. You did decent for the equipment you were provided with :D

Thanks! I'll offer you a discount on a turbo ;)

Vid 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsNaQ1Wwlmw
Vid 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfExuGGpY5Y
Vid 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJB5OoG42s

How much longer till she suffers short rod syndrome jerod???

Hard telling.. Timing is fairly conservative.. 32 deg max

What did the stocker lay down for numbers? Have you dyno'd the 70mm? Sounds good!

Well.. The stock turbo and same tuning laid down 460hp/9xx torque. This was a Mustang 1750 that was at a Dodge Dyno day.. TST Products, Columbus IN.

Needless to say it was loading very early and hard. We could barely pull the load they were applying.. The run took almost 30 seconds :eek: 60...61.....62... we could barely pull it. The truck never got over 2900 rpms.

So I don't really call that a baseline.. Mark thinks that most of the LBZ's on tuning only will put down 510-530 depending on the truck.

So we added 60hp and are cleaning up all the smoke on the street. Need more fuel now :D

No we haven't dyno'd the 70mm. It's on my LLY.. and let me tell you.. She's tired.. Short rod syndrome.. bad case of it.. Exhaust smells sweet.. Naturally decompressed I call it. :D

We're going to upgrade Jerrod to the 70mm and run again to see what it does. Most likely it will push the power further up in the RPM band and flatten things out more. It's a bit laggier than the 64mm but it pulls smooth and hard all the way to 4800.

that second video sounds like a top fuel dragster. so loud, i think it needed a lil more load thrown at it. what was the boost #'s

I don't think it went above 32psi.. Ahh room to grow ;)

saw quite a bit more on the street.

Nice

Thanks Brayden!!!!

I dont know much about the computer and timing aspects of things brayden but how would different timing make it harder on the inner parts??

I dont know much about the computer and timing aspects of things brayden but how would different timing make it harder on the inner parts??


More timing means higher cylinder pressure if I recall correctlly

Bingo.. 1 more degree of advance may mean several hundred pounds of cylinder pressure. That's why it's easier on a motor to run higher boost and less timing. The best part is when you're motor can handle more TIMING and MORE BOOST :D Then you can really get into the big power.

DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF POSSIBLE TIMELINE FOR THE LB7's. NOT TO PUSH OR ANYTHING.

Still working :D

LB7= Get in line

Hard telling.. Timing is fairly conservative.. 32 deg max


32 degrees on SOI for Main??? Just trying to understand!

Yes. Start of Injection (SOI) happens @ 32 Deg. BTDC

any word on the lmms yet?

Mine is supposed to be here between Wed - Friday this week :D I'll know then.

Spent a good bit of time today looking at the LB7 charger. Found a few different directions I may take.

Mine is supposed to be here between Wed - Friday this week :D I'll know then.

Spent a good bit of time today looking at the LB7 charger. Found a few different directions I may take.

ill test it.:D ill even pay for the overnight.

Brayden,

Can you give us some more info on the 70mm??

I am running one right now. It spools pretty decent but not as quick as the 64mm. I think we're going to test on Jerrod's truck since we've baselined it with the 64mm. I have no problems getting it to 40psi with around 60psi backpressure. I have seen 45 with it around 70psi backpressure. Still way below the 100psi I used to see on a stock LLY VNT with similar tuning. The sound is pretty sweet ;) It doesn't have the whistle that the 64mm does since the turbine speed is slower with a bigger wheel. It does however have a nice growl at high RPM 4800 :D and has more whistle than a stock LLY for sure.



Thanks,

Brayden

you made 100 psi with a stock VVT? how long did that last?

100 psi of back pressure

He's talking back pressure.

I remember pegging that gauge ALL the time, hehe back in the day...

so is the 70mm mainly a high rpm turbo. or is it something that could be used for towing and daily driving?

Since my motor is so weak, it seems like the best power is up top.. That's just because of my lack of compression I think.. When the boost comes on it's pretty strong.

It spools just fine though.. You're definately not waiting around on it for sure. It's just not as quick as the 64mm. It has the same turbine in it that the 64mm does, so the high end flow potential is there, it just makes more boost because of the larger wheel.

I need another LBZ!

Funny I just happen to have one you can test things out on. I wonder if vendors offer special discount rates for guys that test stuff. hmm....

seriously though the way I understand it you guys are going to test the 70mm soon on the dyno?

I see a 64mm in my very near future.

I need another LBZ!

Want to use mine>??? I need a turbo!!!

I need another LBZ!

I just happen to know where one is!

anything about the lmm?

I happen to have an LBZ but ill need that free tranny first!

Will the LB7 charger be ready in time for say next June?:D;)

I was looking at it a bit yesterday. How big do you want it?

Brayden I am looking into a new turbo for my LMM and I am intrested in your turbos. I am curious when you think you will have something out for the LMM? How much will they run? I am also curious how will this setup compare to a twin turbo setup, specially for daily driving, and some mild towing.

i am thinking this turbo as the small turbo in a twin set up

Will the LB7 charger be ready in time for say next June?:D;)


X2 any idea when it will be ready?

x3, Thanks

I won't say when they'll be ready.. I have a real problem hitting release dates :o:

lol...but when it comes out it is top quality!

did you ever test the chargers for the lmms?

Brayden,

could you post an overview of what you have available? I am a little lost in all these posts, requests and dates.

The LLY/LBZ Cheetah turbo's are currently for sale.
There are various options depending on what you are expecting from the truck.

1. "Baby" Cheetah

Stock turbine, with upgraded 64mm compressor wheel. This includes the comp wheel, and machined stock compressor cover.

2. 64mm Cheetah

Upgraded High flow turbine, 64mm compressor wheel. These are sold as exhchange units only. Completely rebuilt centersections or brand new turbo's. FYI brand new turbo's cost 1450.00.

3. 70mm Cheetah

Upgraded High flow turbine, 70mm compressor wheel. Same as above.. exchange only.

I recommend a BD Manifold and Diamond Eye downpipe with every system.

Option 1 is great for somebody who wants better response a bit more boost and lower EGT's.

Option 2 is a great all around performer. It made near 600/1100 on a single CP3.

Option 3 spools a bit slower than stock but is still streetable. It stretches the powerband up a bit and will be better suited for the truck pulling crowd.
We're dyno'ing this turbo saturday morning on a dual CP3 truck... Stock internals :drop_mout:evillol::gr_grin:


Stay tuned. I'm gonna video it for sure.

Brayden

so am i just gonna have to buy one to test on my lmm?

Well I'm waiting on the wrecked LMM that I bought to be delivered. I'll be able to tell by then. Everything looks to be the same though.

Brayden

The 1450.00 here is for the stock turbo alone with no upgrade parts.. I posted that so that you could get an idea of how much money goes into a Cheetah turbo starting with a brand new turbo.

Brayden



.......rebuilt centersections or brand new turbo's. FYI brand new turbo's cost 1450.00.

Brayden

So Brayden cost wise what is option number 2 going to cost...estimation? How hard is the install as well? Any major modifications?

Good stuff Brayden!

Can't wait to see how the big charger sounds on the video. I thought the smaller one sounded awesome and spooled extremely quick.

Is that quick spool all charger or is there tuning in it too?

-Kyle

Brayden, how much modification would it take to put an LBZ/LLY Cheetah turbo on an LB7 and control it with a turbobrake? Or would it be better to modify an aftermarket variable turbo for the LB7? Thanks

HotRod- That was an option me and Brayden were considering. I think he said it would pretty simple.

Good stuff Brayden!

Can't wait to see how the big charger sounds on the video. I thought the smaller one sounded awesome and spooled extremely quick.

Is that quick spool all charger or is there tuning in it too?

-Kyle

Thats mostly the charger itself and just a sh*t ton of fuel. I don't think we changed the vane tables at all.

We're dyno'ing this turbo saturday morning on a dual CP3 truck... Stock internals :drop_mout:evillol::gr_grin:


Stay tuned. I'm gonna video it for sure.

Brayden


We're waiting :D:D:D

I'll have video up tomorrow.

The truck is(was) a little hurt from running big power on stock internals so the numbers weren't as high as we expected.

The charger however really suprised me. The 70mm charger on an LBZ is amazing. It still spools very quickly and was making 36-38 psi on the street on the stock vane table and desired boost levels.

I had an EFILive problem and I wasn't able to make some of the tweaks I would've liked to but overall I think the customer was pleased with the setup, just a little disappointed with the power numbers.

Oh yeah.. And the sound is unreal :D

Brayden

Man I need to win the lottery, so I can buy me some more toys for my toy.

Yes you do! Share the wealth ;)

I was under the impression that if you were going to get an aftermarket turbo that you should ditch the VVT? is this the case?

Well there wasn't a choice before. Given the choice of keeping the VVT so you can adjust it and have the quick spool like stock I would rather have a bigger better VVT than a normal turbo.

I'll have video up tomorrow.


Oh yeah.. And the sound is unreal :D



Please don't make us wait to long.

Well there wasn't a choice before. Given the choice of keeping the VVT so you can adjust it and have the quick spool like stock I would rather have a bigger better VVT than a normal turbo.


Plus it doesn't require a new pedestal or any modification at all.

I think we're going to put a 70mm wheel on JNeals also to see how it performs.

I need to upload the video yet. I'll have it on here today. I promise :D

Brayden

Here they are guys!

http://www.fleeceperformance.com/media/SP_Danville_01.mpg

http://www.fleeceperformance.com/media/SP_Danville_02.mpg

http://www.fleeceperformance.com/media/SP_Danville_03.mpg

Those runs were on a stock airbox... and a very very dirty filter. OOPS! Maybe that's why it was 100hp low ;)

First run was with PPE tuning.

Second and Third were the same tune that JNeal dyno'd 596hp on. Something was a bit off. I'll post the graphs when I get it scanned.

Drool...

You likey? :D

Boiling off a set of Proxes S/T's @ 30 mph is always a good thing.

Just recieved a package in the mail today. Ball bearings ;)

Anyone interested in a Super Cheetah 70?

yeah pm me a price ill take my stock charger off for the winter while the truck is in storage. And let me get you right ...i can run this with a single cp3?

Those runs were on a stock airbox... and a very very dirty filter. OOPS! Maybe that's why it was 100hp low ;)

First run was with PPE tuning.

Second and Third were the same tune that JNeal dyno'd 596hp on. Something was a bit off. I'll post the graphs when I get it scanned.
Bent rods????

Those runs were on a stock airbox... and a very very dirty filter. OOPS! Maybe that's why it was 100hp low ;)

First run was with PPE tuning.

Second and Third were the same tune that JNeal dyno'd 596hp on. Something was a bit off. I'll post the graphs when I get it scanned.

Do you want me to post them for you?

Just recieved a package in the mail today. Ball bearings ;)

Anyone interested in a Super Cheetah 70?

You know where it sits at.:D

Yeah if you would...

Thanks,

Brayden


Do you want me to post them for you?

I'm thinking we need to try the 76mm comp wheel and ball bearings ;)

These turbo's run and drive just like stock! Unreal response. It will spool as fast or faster than stock! You can tow with it on a hot tune and keep egt's down to a reasonable level. It sure does make for a fun hot rod. Jeff

Thanks Jeff!

Start your truck in the morning to warn it up. Forget about the auto fast idle, start to walk away, then hear what sounds like a jet getting ready for take-off and think what the he!!, turn back and look only to notice others looking out there front doors. PRICELESS!:o: Did I tell anyone this thing is LOUD!!

LOL I got the same thing this morning. These LBZ's sound amazing. When I'm racing I feel like a fighter pilot. I can only imagine what these cheetah's sound like;) I want some further info Brayden!

I'm thinking we need to try the 76mm comp wheel and ball bearings ;)

:deal:

These turbo's run and drive just like stock! Unreal response. It will spool as fast or faster than stock! You can tow with it on a hot tune and keep egt's down to a reasonable level. It sure does make for a fun hot rod. Jeff

are you running the 70 or 64?

It's the 70mm.. And I was flat out amazed at how it spooled. Goes to show you how weak my LLY really is... Poor 'ol thing.

If you put your foot in it, it's making 20+ psi in a hurry. I wouldn't even hesitate to tow with it, maybe drop to 5th on the hills, but it runs well.

So your saying Brayden that your LLY is more laggy and not as quick spooling up as Stingpuller's and others LBZ's? How much boost do they make and/or can you make on stock gasket/studs? Thank's just trying to figure all these things out before hand.

Brayden's truck will make 45psi with the 70mm and mine makes 37psi with the 64mm, none of us have head studs.

It flat out drives like a stock charger! It really is that quick to spool. I'm not sure why. I was ready for it to be a little laggy but it just isn't happen. Very happy with the way it drives. Jeff

Yes, after being in JNeal's and Jeff's trucks my LLY is no comparison. I have a mod'd CP3 that makes ton's of fuel and everything that you need to make power.. but the 'ol gal just won't do it. I just got my compression tester from Snap-On.. I think I'll test it tomorrow just to see how bad it is. Is there any prize for the most "Naturally Decompressed" Duramax? I'm guessing a 100psi low :D

It has all those characteristics.. sweet smell at idle... Doesn't make any power until above 25psi of boost smokes like a train down low.

I'll fix that before next spring though you can bet on that :D

But back to the turbo topic. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either charger for a street driven setup now. The 70 is going to be one heck of a pulling charger IMO.

What makes these turbos whistle so dam loud? I watched the video clip of the single stack truck and that was loud. Is it that bad from inside the cab?

Another question is why will these not work on the LB7s?

The reason they whistle so load it the different compressor and turbine wheels, mainly the turbine wheel flowing alot more air. It's definatly louder in the cab. And the reason they don't work on a lb7 is because they are a vvt turbo and the lb7 does not have a vvt turbo from the factory. Brayden is working on getting them to work on a lb7 and contolling the turbo with a reprogrammed turbo brake.

Has anyone put an early lly on the dyno with the 64mm? Is 550+hp possible with stock cp3?

I would venture to say yes. I know member LarryJewel has an early lly with a 70mm but not sure if he has dyno'ed it yet. But I would say 550 is doable with the right tuning.

Couldn't the wheels/housings be change on an LB7 to make it a better turbo without making it a VVT? Im wanting a cheetah turbo bad but not real crazy about having to put a VVT on it when they do come out.

I would venture to say yes. I know member LarryJewel has an early lly with a 70mm but not sure if he has dyno'ed it yet. But I would say 550 is doable with the right tuning.
I haven't gotten to a dyno yet, but plan on it this spring :)

Brayden, if you need someone to test the 64mm on an early lly, to see what kind of numbers it will put down, I might know someone :D.

I tell you what.. I'll pay for you dyno fee if you buy the turbo.. ? Sound good :D :D :D

Brayden

I tell you what.. I'll pay for you dyno fee if you buy the turbo.. ? Sound good :D :D :D

Brayden


Trying to clear it with my soon to be wife :eek:.

Hey Brayden if you ever need a local test dumby for that LB7 turbo let me know.):h

Trying to clear it with my soon to be wife :eek:.
Don't tell her, its easier to just do it and suffer the consequences later :D

Don't tell her, its easier to just do it and suffer the consequences later :D

Very true, forgiveness is easier to get than permission!;)

When the 5" exhaust came in I just told her it was part of the turbo that was on back order ;)

I talked to her last night about it, she wants me to wait til after the wedding and honeymoon :eek:. Boy, now that I think about it a turbo would be a nice wedding gift, don't ya think Brayden :D.

I talked to her last night about it, she wants me to wait till after the wedding and honeymoon :eek:. Boy, now that I think about it a turbo would be a nice wedding gift, don't ya think Brayden :D.

Yeah, I tried that one back in June. I was told the same thing. A couple years ago I couldn't get lift kit till I bought her an engagement ring. She got the ring and there's no lift kit on my truck still. :think: Then I thought I'd go for a new tranny after trips to Fleece, Danville Performance, and Merchant got me all revved up. Nope, gotta wait till the wedding and see how we make out. That was in June. Now it's time for a new house. See the pattern here? Tranny? Not happening anytime soon. :mad:

It's all one big trap, trust me, just buy the stuff and do like Larry did, lie your a$$ off and make it look good.:D

I make the money and shes a stay at home mom she has no say in what I buy for my truck. I never ask.

Man I tell you guys IT WON"T GET ANY BETTER!:(You guys need to stand your ground now or your in trouble!!!:D I just tell myself that I have been a good boy and I need these parts so I don't have the money to go to bad places and do bad things.:p: You will be happy that you did in the long run just as long as she doesn't notice the whistle from the CHEETAH! YA RIGHT!:eek:

It's all one big trap, trust me, just buy the stuff and do like Larry did, lie your a$$ off and make it look good.:D


Sounds like a tip to a long and happy marriage :D. Can't be to hard on her, she is buying me new wheels and tires for my birthday :ro)

I talked to her last night about it, she wants me to wait til after the wedding and honeymoon :eek:.
Then you have a kid and then..... just buy it!:D You wont regret it!!

I tell you what.. I'll pay for you dyno fee if you buy the turbo.. ? Sound good :D :D :D

Brayden

Haha! Yeah that sounds fair :D

Sounds like a tip to a long and happy marriage :D. Can't be to hard on her, she is buying me new wheels and tires for my birthday :ro)
19 years so far.....:D

I guess I forgot to add that she bought herself a new dog when she found out about my purchase ;)

Off the bimbos and back to the turbos.):h

Only if my bimbo could blow like my turbo !

:funnypostOnly if my bimbo could blow like my turbo !

I need to brake in the tranny first. I'll have to see how my corn does this year!! Did good last year so I got me a tranny! Now it's a waiting game.

:funnypost

I need to brake in the tranny first. I'll have to see how my corn does this year!! Did good last year so I got me a tranny! Now it's a waiting game.

Just buy one and HOPE your corn does good.:D

Put it on contract:Handshake

I like that idea ;)

Futures are up aren't they?

I like that idea ;)

Futures are up aren't they?

NOpe corn's down a little from the other day. How long would my motor last with one? Normal driving and occasional pulling and maybe a couple trips down the 1/4?

A good while the way you drive ;) :D :D :D Grandma

A good while the way you drive ;) :D :D :D Grandma

SHouldn't you be skiing or something???

how would this turbo work with an MPI twin set up?

Very very well ;)

I c u looking Lennart. Got your message ;)

how would this turbo work with an MPI twin set up?


i have that set up on my LLY. i just got the thing running again so i don't have that much time on it yet. but it does sound cool.

need to get some numbers from the dyno and the track now.

need to get some numbers from the dyno and the track now.


i just cant wait untill i get it on a dyno and to the track.

i just cant wait untill i get it on a dyno and to the track.

do you think you might go up to Michigan this June for the 'Spring Fling"? like to talk to you and see how she works in person if you wouldnt mind