do you really need the allison lock for the deep pan allison upgrade?

No

Yes

Yes! :D

What's the Allison Lock?

It's a kinda a clamp of sort that fits on to the internal filter. It prevents accidental filter fallout, and helps the fiter seal better

I had Joe and Ron at Suncoast design these so I could make another 3.95 extra profit off you guys. :eek: :D

I had Joe and Ron at Suncoast design these so I could make another 3.95 extra profit off you guys. :eek: :D

Must be nice getting rich off all us unsuspecting DP members :D

The Suncoast filter lock is cheap insurance. I and others have seen/heard of filters just wobbling or falling out. They come in the Stage V's probably for a reason.

Do I need one? Yes/No--your choice--roll the dice.

I make 4.00 off them so absolutely

I make alot more then that when your filter falls out and lays in the bottom of the pan

I have one on mine ... I want Mike L. to get rich ... :D

cheap insurance IMO
do you really need to pull the trans because the filter fell out?

when it doent pull fluid and burns up you will lol

Maybe you guys should sell something else we dont need, Snake oil:D

I make 4.00 off them so absolutely

I make alot more then that when your filter falls out and lays in the bottom of the pan


I thought the bottom of the filter rested on the bottom of the pan anyway?:confuzeld

I mean isn't that why there are two different length filters from Allison, one for each depth of pans available?

once it drops down even if its almost on the bottom of the pan it comes out of the valve body and starts sucking air or what ever it can almost like the pick up falling off the oil pump in a sbc no were to pull fluid up lose pressure lose lube flow.

I thought the bottom of the filter rested on the bottom of the pan anyway?:confuzeld

I mean isn't that why there are two different length filters from Allison, one for each depth of pans available?


Yes it does the clip does allow you to run the shallow filter in the deep pan although.

Yes it does the clip does allow you to run the shallow filter in the deep pan although.

Ok, I never thought of that. I don't know why you would want to do that, but I guess you could.

Measurement from bottom tab on deep filter ( white )to gasket surface ( no gasket ) on Allison deep pan is 4.390. Measuring pan depth from gasket to bottom of pan is 4.640. That is a quarter inch gap; enough to allow filter displacement and all kinds of problems.

I've said it before and I will say it again........ how many hundreds of thousands of these do you think Allison has in the field? If this was an issue it would be all over the place but it's not and there is a good reason. The filter does not fall out unless you put the wrong filter in the wrong pan. When the proper parts are used it's fine. The Factory Allison filter pushes up into the case .235" after the seal is already made so it can move up and down that amount and not lose seal with the case. The Factory deep pan is 4.435" deep on the inside and the Factory gasket compressed thickness is .136" So that gives you a total of 4.571" from the gasket to the inside of the pan. The filter when pushed all the way up in place is 4.373" which leaves you .198" clearance from the bottom of the filter to the inside of the pan. So yes the filter can move down to the bottom but you need to remember the filter can move in the case .235" and lose no sealing! The seal on the filter itself is .255" wide as well. So to pull the seal out of the case completely you would need to move the filter down .255" (seal width) + .235 (free travel) = .490" and that is impossible.

I've said it before and I will say it again........ how many hundreds of thousands of these do you think Allison has in the field? If this was an issue it would be all over the place but it's not and there is a good reason. The filter does not fall out unless you put the wrong filter in the wrong pan. When the proper parts are used it's fine. The Factory Allison filter pushes up into the case .235" after the seal is already made so it can move up and down that amount and not lose seal with the case. The Factory deep pan is 4.435" deep on the inside and the Factory gasket compressed thickness is .136" So that gives you a total of 4.571" from the gasket to the inside of the pan. The filter when pushed all the way up in place is 4.373" which leaves you .198" clearance from the bottom of the filter to the inside of the pan. So yes the filter can move down to the bottom but you need to remember the filter can move in the case .235" and lose no sealing! The seal on the filter itself is .255" wide as well. So to pull the seal out of the case completely you would need to move the filter down .255" (seal width) + .235 (free travel) = .490" and that is impossible.


The correct name is Allison Filter Loc

I know of one that fell out and burned up. It was an aftermarket pan and Suncoast installed. Deep filter would not fit, shallow could fall out. Not all pans are the same depth and not all have preventative measures installed. Someone doesn't like it because he did not invent it and there's not enough profit in copying it. It's just cheap insurance.

The correct name is Allison Filter Loc

I know of one that fell out and burned up. It was an aftermarket pan and Suncoast installed. Deep filter would not fit, shallow could fall out. Not all pans are the same depth and not all have preventative measures installed. Someone doesn't like it because he did not invent it and there's not enough profit in copying it. It's just cheap insurance.

John said a mouthful, sounds like logical real life exp to me.

I'm now seeing some very scientific studies concerning Suncoast's Allison filter lock. To me it's VFS, either you want one or you don't--you'll wish you had one if your filter drops. I think they're only $20-30 which is much cheaper than a trans overhaul:rolleyes:.

The correct name is Allison Filter Loc

I know of one that fell out and burned up. It was an aftermarket pan and Suncoast installed. Deep filter would not fit, shallow could fall out. Not all pans are the same depth and not all have preventative measures installed. Someone doesn't like it because he did not invent it and there's not enough profit in copying it. It's just cheap insurance.

So whose fault is that? Allison did the job right, just the aftermarket pan manufacture screwed up. As I said ALL FACTORY PANS do not need it. John, why would you sell someone an aftermarket pan that you know is wrong? Maybe you should include a filter loc in all the mismade pans your selling to make sure they do not fall out too. Better yet just sell a pan that's made right to start with!

I think it is up to the individual members to believe whom they want to believe. None of us vendors can lose on this one; but the misinformed Allison owner can. :D

So whose fault is that? Allison did the job right, just the aftermarket pan manufacture screwed up. As I said ALL FACTORY PANS do not need it. John, why would you sell someone an aftermarket pan that you know is wrong? Maybe you should include a filter loc in all the mismade pans your selling to make sure they do not fall out too. Better yet just sell a pan that's made right to start with!

Where did I say that I sold this pan? I did not sell it, did not install it. It's hard to say how many (if any) were released. Since this incident pans have evolved and added these neat little cast ribs that the filter rubs on:rolleyes: holding it in place. Adding the Filter Loc takes the droop out of the filter holding it securely in place. Works as promised...

John
He's got one of his hard ons again and doesn't know what to do with it. it'll pass. ):h :D

The correct name is Allison Filter Loc

I know of one that fell out and burned up. It was an aftermarket pan and Suncoast installed. Deep filter would not fit, shallow could fall out. Not all pans are the same depth and not all have preventative measures installed. Someone doesn't like it because he did not invent it and there's not enough profit in copying it. It's just cheap insurance.

Where did I say that I sold this pan? I did not sell it, did not install it. It's hard to say how many (if any) were released. Since this incident pans have evolved and added these neat little cast ribs that the filter rubs on:rolleyes: holding it in place. Adding the Filter Loc takes the droop out of the filter holding it securely in place. Works as promised...

So now your back pedaling and say the aftermarket pans have evolved, your not sure if any were released that would allow the filter to fall out but you started with I know of one that fell out! This is just the same old BS. The answer to the thread starters question is still the same! If you use Factory Allison parts the filter lock is not needed but if you believe what JK says some of the aftermarket or none of the aftermarket pans may need one. The other case would be putting a short filter into a deep pan but who would be stupid enough to do that? Put a deep pan on with more fluid capacity then not use the fluid by putting a short filter in place.

Members can trust who they trust. I know who I trust...

John
He's got one of his hard ons again and doesn't know what to do with it. it'll pass. ):h :D


If it lasts over 4 hours the TV says he has to seek medical attention.

If it lasts over 4 hours the TV says he has to seek medical attention.



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:funnypost :lol: :D :D :D


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Mike I didnt know you had that problem:eek: :D :p:

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Mike I didnt know you had that problem:eek: :D :p:

I don't. Go back and read it again.:D

I don't. Go back and ead it again.:D


Duh, I got keyboard happy. So uh hows the weather over there:D .

Think I'll call Allison on this one. They should be able to tell us who's the BS'er here!

Think I'll call Allison on this one. They should be able to tell us who's the BS'er here!


Coming soon TTS filter lock and C3 clutch oiler.

Think I'll call Allison on this one. They should be able to tell us who's the BS'er here!

I talked to an Allison engineer last year and he said they were aware of the problem and their fix was going to be a five thousenth thicker seal on the filter. I don't think this has happened yet.

I like these technical discussions.

Seems to me that the filter loc is a good thing to have, in fact when I have Big Dipper refresh my 3 yr old/ SC-III this Saturday and swap my older 1050 TC to a newer ML/TC I am going to put that filter loc on.

That means that Dipper will be able to buy a coffee and two donuts with the extra $ 4.00 he is going to make off the filter loc.

:eek:

diesel tech has too much time on his hands to be outside measuring how tall his filter is...come on.. my truck probably doesnt need one, but ima gunna put one in anyway. makes sense to me 25 dollar part could save you from spending 2500 in new trans

Is this part available via the web? Can I order it online?

yes it is moose 153. i ordered it last weeke along with my deep apan and filter from merchant

excellent,thx - Yeah, when i went with the mag-hytec deep pan and filter, I thought it was a bit odd that the filter while I did have to apply pressure to put it on, i thought, that's it? That's all that there is to it? Nothing to tighten and secure the bigger filter? This will give reassurance if nothing else... :)

ya theres nothin to hold it on except im assuming the sucktion from the pump.

I just installed mine, nice piece, well worth it.

;)

What about with the mag hytec, is this something that's easy to install and how much does it cost?

What about with the mag hytec, is this something that's easy to install and how much does it cost?

Maghytec does not need this lock.

I think the lock is a good idea. I thought about getting one but didnt make up my mind in time and decided to service the tranny this weekend. That was a mistake. I dropped the pan and the filter fell out. Cleaned up the pan and you can see the rub marks on the pan. Now I have to drop the pan later, waste $35 in Transynd, and install the lock. When I put the filter in it didnt fell very tight is this normal? I wish I would have bought it but I guess you learn from your mistakes.

Late Maghytec pans state to use the Allison deep filter, it even has the part number cast inside the pan. Early versions differed and called for the standard dept filter unless the owner machined the filter standoff for the deep filter. Very cheap insurance.