I'm back in town and taking pre orders on the next run of Finger Sticks. No connectors, but I will be posting connection instructions for the brave. $20/stick postage paid to the lower 48. These should ship Dec 13'th. This run is limited to 100 sticks.

What is a Finger Stick? It is a simple circuit that modifies the MAF signal on LLY engines to expected levels when the EGR is blocked or a free flowing exhaust system causes the ECM to set codes. There are other threads on this forum that cover this in much greater detail.

Click HERE (http://mysite.verizon.net/mcelravy1/button.html) to order via PayPal.

PM Sent!



Do you have plates available as well?

I have lost contact with Reliver who was making the plates. If/when he gets back in touch with me, I will start taking orders again.

Fingers,


Thanks again for your work on this. Any chance I could do a combo stick/plate? I'll send payment soon as I get a total price or if no plates are available I'll send payment for stick.


Thanks,


MAX

You posted while I was typing http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif. I'll go ahead and send payment for the stick now and if you can arrange the plate by the time the sticks ship I'll send additional $ for that.


Thanks,


Max

PayPal payment sent.

Finger,


Sent in an order... Can hardly wait.


Thanks,

Payment sent via paypal for several.


Thanks.

you have paypal!!!!!

Payment sent via paypal for several.


Thanks.

How many trucks you have Maxtech?

Hey fingers, this wont be your last batch will it? If everything goes smoothly with my instalation Ill need to get one for my fathers truck.

I'll make them as long as there is demand. The price may change batch to batch to cover the expected lower demand over time.

Paypal sent.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Fingers I can't get through to the link to order a stick, is it ok if I use pay pal to pay you through your e-mail address? Edited by: HEMIEATER

I prefer the link. It codes some info for me. But you can pay me any way you want.

Thanks, I'll send it over right now. Are these able to handle a Buffalo winter?

I sent the money, hopefully to the right address, if it's not too much to ask let me know if you recieved the e-mail.

Got it David.

Fingers:


The money is in your account - Thanks for making them available


okauto

paypal sent. does it matter if it 04.5 or 05? mines a 05

Thank you very much Fingershttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/hihi.gif

paypal sent. does it matter if it 04.5 or 05?
mines a 05

I don't have published info on the '05s but all indications are
they will respond the same as the '04.5s

WORKS JUST AS WELL ON 05 GOT ONE IN MY TRUCK THANKS AGAIN FINGERS jOHN

Fingers,


Count me in, You GOT PAYPAL MAIL $$$.


Thanks,

Can you run the stick without a plug in performance chip. Will it work bone stock?

Fingers,





I'm new here (and spent the last couple hours catching up on all this EGR tech!!). I've got a 05 Duramax/Allison truck and want to do your Stick/Plate mod. Just one question though: Do you have the wiring instructions to connect the Stick to a Juice box so it's removable or do I need to send you the box to be fitted with the Stick?? Also, are we all on our own again for Plates or do you hava a source for them?


Thanks!!

I will post both the standard and the new "box" instructions here. It will take me a bit to gather pictures and such to make the presentation.

Can you run the stick without a plug in performance chip. Will it work bone stock?

Yes, as I said above, I will repost the instructions.

Fingers,
You have been sent my payment to PayPal----
Many thanks, I already have plate installed.
Scotty

Fingers,


Pay Pal sent.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif Thanks Again.


Eric

Paid moments ago. I'd like the "plate" as well, so please let me know when it's available.


Thanks

For the brave, here is the schematic. I know I've posted on the Forum someplace before, I just can't find it....

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/Fingers/2004-11-19_111021_EGR_stick_LM258_rev2.2.GIF

Paypal sent ! ! !


After witnessing a complete LACK OF INTELLIGENCE on other car forums regarding ANY tech whatsoever (other than wax and radar detectors) I'm thrilled to find people with actual knowledge and desire to improve their trucks!!!


You're my new hero Fingers http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif

Fingers,


You've got Pay Pal!! Thanks again for all your work on this!!! Do you have any plates left? I'd like one of those too if You have any.


Thanks Again

Though I have gotten in touch with Reliver, he has not responded to my "gonna make any more?" question. At this time, I am not taking orders for the plates. I only provided the PayPal connection for that service anyway. I think the next fabricator will want to actually make a little money on the deal.

The Forum change has killed orders for sticks. :eek: Or at least that is what I am blaming it on. Not a single order since last night. Bump to the top.

The Forum change has killed orders for sticks. :eek: Or at least that is what I am blaming it on. Not a single order since last night. Bump to the top. I just looked at your post with the paypal button. Still works. :)

Jim

For reasons outside my control, the manufacture and arrival date for the Stick's circuit boards have been pushed back. (Thanksgiving Holiday)

I expect to have all of the parts in my hands on or about Dec 8th now. Puts the ship out date for the finished sticks around Dec 10th at the earliest. I will be sending updates out to all that have ordered already.

My apologies. :(

):hYeah, like we were all planning on loading up on Turkey then going out and working on the truck . . . Just about the time you get in the engine bay, the triptophans take full effect, and you fall asleep on your engine. . . .):h

Pay pal sent for stick would like to order plate also if possible will pay pal for that also.
thanks
Joe

Got it Joe.

Dennis,

I have fallen asleep under the car before. Haven't you?

Only on Thanksgiving. . . :)

Fingers
I already have a blocker plate but have not inststalled it yet because of SES light/codes. I want to go cat-less and a freeflowing muffler. I have read most of the post's regarding this but still I am not sure about cat-less system. Will it still throw codes with your stick installed? My truck is stock (no mod's). I live in CA

Some people are getting boost codes as well as the generic 401 406 EGR codes when they dump the kitty. I know the stick will deal with the 401 and 406 for sure. I suspect it will prevent the boost codes too, but I don't have enough info yet. I think it was ROTAX that installed just the stick with the Cat-less exhaust. Cured his codes. His story is in the EGR Defeat thread.

Paypal sent

Thanks Fingers

Got it Brandon.

i need a stick plate combo what is the cost?

i need a stick plate combo what is the cost?

Price and ordering info is the very first post in this thread. I do not have plates to sell. If/when I find a supplier for the plates, I will post the info.

Paypal sent - Thanks for the hard work!

Price and ordering info is the very first post in this thread. I do not have plates to sell. If/when I find a supplier for the plates, I will post the info.FINGERS
I may know someone who can fabricate the plates...I would just need a sampel to match it up to and if he cant i will send it back to you..

sean

how about a DXF file

http://mysite.verizon.net/mcelravy1/graphics/plate.dxf

how about a DXF file

http://mysite.verizon.net/mcelravy1/graphics/plate.dxf
I tried clicking your link but it didnt work...

sean

It is a Drawing eXchange File format that is used for most CNC operations. Can be opened by most CAD programs. Copy it to a disk and give it to the fabricator.

ok i will do that and let you know next week..

ok i will do that and let you know next week..PM me and let me know what your last fabricator was giving you them for so i can find out if this will all work out..

They cost what they cost. I am not interested in being a middle man for them again. All pain, no gain. I suspect that is why we are looking for another supplier too. In other words, at $7.50 there wasn't enough profit, if any. Let the supplier set the price. In truth, they are so simple, anyone can make them. I've posted the template a couple of times already.

Im not looking to sell them at all...I just want one..So if i can hook you up with him, you guys can make the price and do the sales..

fair enough

Fingers: I would like one of your finger sticks and block off plate aswell if there avalable. I live in saskatoon saskatchewan canada. Will that be a problem, im asuming it'll cost a little more for shipping?
Thanks for your hard work, we are all greatful.
Aron

Aron, PM me about Canda shipping. I will not be handling the plates. Others have taken up that task and should post their intentions. They are so simple to make, most anyone could make their own.

Fingers do you still have some sticks left?

I will make Sticks as long as there is demand.

i sent money thanks again for the tech

Robby says he will be making plates for the masses.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18785

sent via Pay Pal , thanks for all the help

sent via Pay Pal , thanks for all the help


My pleasure. Sixty one Sticks sold so far. Not bad. :)

Just a reminder, the very first post in this thead has the ordering info.

Fingers just sent you the money via paypal let me no when you get it.

Fingers,
Send $ through Paypal.

sooooo..... u include wiring instructions with the sticks or are they posted somewhere

Once I get one of the new ones made, I will take pictures and post instructions. I am using distinct color wires this time to help avoid confusion. I will post regular and edge instructions.

Expect to see them Dec 9'th if all goes well.

check your paypal, just making sure you got it!

I respond/confirm all orders via e-mail. If the e-mail address provided with your Paypal payment is not valid, I will cancel the order and refund the money via paypal. I have done this at least once already on this run. Before shipping, I will be cross checking the orders with my Paypal account records again. I have already gotten one bogus order that was not recorded through Paypal. Paypal has been informed of the deception.

I don't want to clog the thread with confirmations, but, yea moss, I got it. Thanks. But according to your sig, don't you have an '02? The Stick is for LLY Dmaxes (04.5 and up) ONLY!

yes i know, dont worry its for a friend, i just happen to spend more time on here!

Just checking! :)

OK, I'm in production. I've been delayed due to a contract running over. The supplied software had a bug......

Anyway, a production picture for ya. I will send emails when the sticks actually ship. Instructions posted here.

Special thanks to Emerick115 for letting me borrow his Juice to demo the connections on that.

Are you a going to include Juice hook-up directions also?Does this configuration require any special connectors?

Errr, yea, That is why I borrowed the Edge Juice.

Errr, yea, That is why I borrowed the Edge Juice.
I wasn't being a dumbass,just wondering if you had to request the Edge directions or if your going to include them with all orders?

As I've said is other posts, I will be posting the instructions on the Forum only for a standard and Juice install. The stick will arrive with no instructions. PM me if you want to know why I am doing it that way.

I know these threads get too long to find the info you want. It is a shame, and a bit irritating to repeat again and again. I forget that people can't find the answer sometimes. My fault.

Have you or will you ship to Canada?:)

Have you or will you ship to Canada?:)

Yes I will ship to Canada. Costs more for both shipping and exchange rate conversion, but I'm not charging extra. Think it comes out to about $1.50 US more.

All current stick orders have shipped. Confirmation Emails sent.

I was confused at first... as I have been having a problem lately... normally my foot sticks - to the floor... but driving in traffic lately it has resulted in my finger sticking.. in an upright position against the window. I first thought your post was discussing you having the same problem. "My finger sticks..."

When is the next run?

Several still left in this run

paypal sent!

I know the Finger Stick stops the codes. My question, is there a benifit to eliminating the EGR? My initial experience with the EGR unhooked was no noticable performance gain and a decrease in mileage. I would like to stop the soot getting in and straighten out the exhaust (kill the cat), but does the mass air flow sensor stop richening up the system (compensating for lack of returning exhaust gas) with the Finger Stick installed. Thanx Geo.

I know the Finger Stick stops the codes. My question, is there a benifit to eliminating the EGR? My initial experience with the EGR unhooked was no noticable performance gain and a decrease in mileage. I would like to stop the soot getting in and straighten out the exhaust (kill the cat), but does the mass air flow sensor stop richening up the system (compensating for lack of returning exhaust gas) with the Finger Stick installed. Thanx Geo.

The finger stick itself does not stop the EGR flow. The EGR valve is still/must be plugged in and active. To stop the flow you need to block the EGR. There are plates available to do that.

Now, Benifits? I only claim soot removal when blocking the EGR. Personally, I have a bit better milage and lower engine temps. The Temps is what I was originally after by blocking the EGR. Your results may vary. Others should chime in with thier results.

How much is it and can you tell me how to install it? I can use paypal tonight. Thank you Fingers!

Andy

Ordering instructions are the first post on this thread.

Ordering instructions are the first post on this thread.
Paid!

Some people are not recieving thier order confirmations. Check in you SPAM folder. For some unknown reason, Hotmail and Yahoo tend to dump mail from me there. Go figure.

After the Stick is installed and the EGR is blocked, does the fuel system operate the same as stock. Does the mass air flow sensor stop trying to compensate for a plugged EGR valve (more fuel, less fuel). Thanx Geo.

I saw the diagram but am not sure how intall the finger fix. I also was wondering how do you reset codes on the truck, my engine light is lite? Do you have to go to the dealer after you intall the stick to have them cleared or can you disconnect both batteries? Thank you for the help.

Andy

If the car is running properly for 2-3 ignition cycles, then the SES/MIL light will go away on its own. The cars ECM/PCM perform somewhat of a diagnostic each start, so if you have consecutive sucessful runs, then the engine will kill the light because it finds that everything is operating normally. The codes will still be written and exist on your car, so you will need a scanner to erase them, dealer, autozone, or any scanner you buy can handle this.

When and where will the install diagrams for the juice harness be posted?

OK, First, let me eat crow. I misread the connector info in the SI manual. I was looking at the ECM connectors not the Harness connectors. The MAF signals do not run through the connectors on the top of the engine. As such, the Juice harness only connection will not work. This is totally my fault. Thanks to Emeriick for the loan of his Juice to prove me wrong.

IF not being able to do a Juice install is a problem for ANYONE, return the Stick to me and I will refund your money Plus postage.

What follows are the connection instructions for the Stick. I must rmind everyone that I have provided the Stick "as is", and that you install it at your own risk. I can not and will not be responsable for any damages, real or percieved, to you, your truck, or marital life in whole or part.


You will only be cutting one wire! All others are simple taps of the wire.

The first pic is of the Stick as shipped with each wire labeled.

The second pic is of the EGR connector. The lowest passenger side wire on the connector is the EGR position sensor wire. On my truck it is Blue with a white stripe. The BLUE wire on the Stick should be tapped into this wire. Do not cut the original EGR wire!

The Third pic is of the MAF sensor near the Air filter.

The wire closest to the driver's side is the MAF signal wire. On my truck it is Yellow. This is the ONLY wire that should be cut. Splice the Yellow wire on the Stick to the MAF sensor side of the cut wire and the Yellow/Green to the Harness side.

The next wire in is a ground and is Gray on my truck. The Gray wire from the Stick gets tapped into this wire, Do not cut this wire!

The middle wire is the Power wire and on my truck is Pink. The Red wire on the Stick gets tapped into this wire. Do not cut this wire!


If you have questions, post em, so we can all learn.

Fingers,
The wiring directions look simple, just one question to verify about the cut wire. Once the yellow wire is cut, the yellow wire of the stick will go towards the MAF wire on the air cleaner, letting the output of the stick (yellow/green) go into the harness that goes across the engine?

Scotty, that is exactly right.

just got my the stick looks great

thanks

Can any pictures of the final install be taken?

I just paypald for the finger..


gary

For your enjoyment. Removing the Intake Tube make lots of room.

Make sure you follow the wire back from the MAF sensor. You never know when GM will change colors.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=631&stc=1

After the cut

http://dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=628&stc=1

All the wires tapped.
http://dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=629&stc=1


All buttoned up after the install.

http://dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=630&stc=1

Got an email from "fingers" confirming my order--wife says who/what is "fingers"? Led to an hour long explaination of what I am doing to my 40k new truck LOL!

Got mine today. Thanks.

Fingers, thanks for the additonal photos, showing is better than telling.

What do they call those pink colored connectors shown in the photos and where is the best place to get them? I assume they are not part of the Fingers Stick purchase. I know I have seen them before, but cann't remember where.

Thanks.

Fingers, thanks for the additonal photos, showing is better than telling.

What do they call those pink colored connectors shown in the photos and where is the best place to get them? I assume they are not part of the Fingers Stick purchase. I know I have seen them before, but cann't remember where.

Thanks.

Those are wire taps, sometimes called splices. There are available at the local auto parts store. The wires on the harness and stick are thin, 22 ga wire, so make sure you get taps that handle the small wire.

Fingers, recieved stick eariler in the week, installed it yeterday so far so good. Today I went to Auto Zone and had the codes cleared and then right to the dealer for the reflash. I left the EGR plate and the finger stick in, also had the kitty off. They did it no questions asked. The truck is running smoother and also has better throttle response. I am wondering if the reflash is the program that the '05 has that gives it 605 lbft. of torque. Thanks again you did a great job!

I think you are the first to actually put any of this batch in, besides me. Glad to hear all is well. I would be interested in seeing your installed pictures. Might be better/cleaner than mine. :(

Got My Stick Today, Installing As We Speak Along With Egr Block Plate. I Will Post Pics And Results We Done.

got mine today also thanx

Good to see them showing up on the West coast.

Fingers, received your stick a while ago, however I think I've developed a problem with my Edge chip so I'm going to hold off on the installation for a while in case it's something else. Before the engine comes up to temperature the engine has a very distinctive "miss" while accelerating. I suspect the Edge/Attitude because I can set it a zero, or stock, and the miss goes away. Luckily I only live about 1/8" mile away from Edge Products. I let you know when I get the stick installed.

I think you are the first to actually put any of this batch in, besides me. Glad to hear all is well. I would be interested in seeing your installed pictures. Might be better/cleaner than mine. :( Hopefully I am getting a digital camera for christmas, I will then post pictures. I did not use any wire taps, I cut the insulation off the wires and used eletrical tape. I hid the finger stick in the wire loom and wrapped the whole section from the mass air meter to the wye in the loom to the EGR with tape. I must say you cant even see it, the only give away is the blue & white stripe wire comming out of the loom by itself. By the way the instructions were excellent.

Got my stick last week, and finally got a chance to install it this weekend.

Fingers, it's workin great, just wanted to say thank you once again for the hard work at figuring it out and making them!

Fingers,
Got my stick. I'll install it at work tomorrow. Does it matter that i don't have exhaust mods yet? I wouldn't think so. I'm installing it cause I know it's going to help motivate me to get the exhaust done. I was gonna buy an exhaust for myself for Christmas but my puppy (13 week old yellow lab) fell ill http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/Throwup.gif and cost me an arm and a leg to get him feelin alright so I'm set back for another month or so. Damn dog...I love him. Didn't have a choice ;-)

Thank You for everything. I'll let you know how it goes. I'll take pics, let me know if you want me to send them to you. see ya bro

XR

There is an outside chance the ECM will bi tch cause of HIGH flow from the EGR. But I don't think so, I can't find a DTC for that. Let me know if does throw a code. If so, you can disconnect the blue wire on the stick till you get an exhaust on and then reconnect.

Fingers,
I recieved my stick finally, installed the guy. However Im still getting 401 404 and 1404, not setting off engine light though. Is that to be expected or do I not have this sucker installed right?

The 1404 tells me you cut the EGR wire. That wire is only to be tapped.

Fingers:
Received mine in Idaho yesterday. Some of the pictures showed the EGR plug not plugged in. I'm assuming from previouse posts that when all the wiring is finished and tapped that you still must have the EGR wire plugged in for the stick to work properly. - Is that so that the position sensor reads correctly ? I'm assuming there hasn't been a problem with any of the EGR's that have been unplugged and blocked for several month's getting stuck shut and damaging anything when re-plugged in. Anyway, I'll plug mine back in when I get all the wiring done.
Thanks again.

That is correct, the EGR must be plugged in. It was off in the pics so I could get to the wires. Now that you mentioned it, it might also explain what octiger is getting.

Down to the last 5 sticks in this batch. I will be ordering parts to make more.

Just installed. Excellent instructions. My only advice is to pull the plastic wire looms back far enough to make all the wire connections & splices easier, and don't put any wires back inside the looms until all the connections are finished - then when you're completely done, tuck everything back inside and finish with a little tape to make the ends sanitary. Also, it is much easier if you disconnect the air filter tube from the filter before you start. The yellow cut wire on the engine side is quite a ways toward the engine side inside the loom if you connect everything in a linear fashion to make it a clean installation. - After I was done, I plugged the EGR back in and put a piece of 1" wire loom from the MAF sensor down a foot to where the wires T in. Very Very sanitary.
I never did have dash lights, and have no scanner. Is there any way to tell if it's working without tapping into the computer ?
I'm really happy to have it installed.
Thanks Fingers

If you have a volt meter, you can look at the voltage coming out of the EGR position sensor relative to ground. That signal is in the blue wire you tapped coming from the EGR. If the voltage reading is greater than ~1.25 volts at idle, the EGR is being used and there are no EGR codes. If you watch the voltage while you rev the engine, it will fluctuate. Any EGR codes and the ECM will discontinue EGR positioning. A closed EGR valve reads about 1.25 volts. Full open is near 5 volts. Normal idle is about 3 volts.

Finally installed my stick and plate today--heavy snow shut the job down and I was home today! Only thing I screwed up was I started the truck before I plugged the EGR back in. Will I need to clear codes? Or not worry about it. I got a MI truck--so never did set a SES light. Anyway, truck runs fine!

The codes will clear on their own once the ECM runs the test and it passes. The ECM will store the old codes in long term memory and then clear them from there eventually too. 50+ ignition cycles if I recall correctly.

Fingers got my stick today. Thank you very much it looks great, ill install it tomorrow. Should i clear the codes befor or after the install if there are codes?

Thanx again Aron

after.

Fingers i was wondering what kind of steel and the thickness i should use to make the blocker plate. also i cant seem to find that diagram and what kind of measurements are on it cm or inchs?

Thanx again for all your hard work. Aron

Fingers i was wondering what kind of steel and the thickness i should use to make the blocker plate. also i cant seem to find that diagram and what kind of measurements are on it cm or inchs?

Thanx again for all your hard work. Aron
Any thickness steel will work. Just don't use aluminum. I will look for my pattern. If you buy a new gasket from he dealer, you can use it as a pattern.

Hey Fingers,

You have any sticks available?:confused:

Hey Fingers,

You have any sticks available?:confused:
3 made up and more parts on the way to make more. I'll make them as long as people ask for them.

Fingers,

You've got funds!

Got it.

Was wondering if there was anything in the works for sticks with connectors or is that thought for gotten?;)

Way back, I explained. The investment costs are just too high. Initial investment would be on the line of $3500 or more just for the connectors. The ultimate total number of sticks produced is expected to be less than 200 units. 110 already delivered. That is already 20 more than expected, but demand is way down now. That is, I don't think many more will be sold in the coming year.

Connectors would drive the cost per stick to the $50-$75 range without stranded costs. (extra connectors bought to meet a minimum order number from the suppliers) Paying for the stranded investment pushes you over $100.

That is a long explination to say, it just isn't worth my while.

What gauge wire is used in the Fingers Sticks and the LLY wiring? I want to buy the correct size wire tap-ins and connectors.

Thanks Fingers!

What gauge wire is used in the Fingers Sticks and the LLY wiring? I want to buy the correct size wire tap-ins and connectors.

Thanks Fingers!

I bought the 18 to 22 guage taps and they held all wires very firm.

Stick has 22 guage wire. Harness *might* be 24, but the 18-22 guage splices seem to work fine. Wiggle them a little to make sure you are getting good contact.

have my stick and egr block plate in now for about four days. both seem to be working perfect. no more codes and no more light (thank god!). my mileage came back to 14/17 was around 9.5 when the light was lit.

fingers- i will be ordering several more sticks when i get commitments from my customers with lly light problems. will let you know.thanks

Glad to hear all is working well. The last stick of this batch went out today. More parts are on their way to make more. The holidays are slowing down the supply chain. :)

Ill take one when you make more,Just let me know

Fingers,
Yes, the damn wire taps I bought got me. I had to NAPA auto parts to find them small enough for 22guage, and then the #$%&*#@ cut the wires. So I put them back together, didnt get any codes(stick still not installed). Found these fancy splicers things, will try that and will reconnect the EGR. Didnt realize, but just to be clear, once the correct install has been done I wont get any codes?

I got the Predator yesterday in the mail, this thing ROCKS, I checked the trouble codes and there were none! I have had the finger stick on for over a week now and it works flawlessly even in the cold Buffalo weather, EXCELLENT JOB FINGERS! Thanks again

Fingers,
Yes, the damn wire taps I bought got me. I had to NAPA auto parts to find them small enough for 22guage, and then the #$%&*#@ cut the wires. So I put them back together, didnt get any codes(stick still not installed). Found these fancy splicers things, will try that and will reconnect the EGR. Didnt realize, but just to be clear, once the correct install has been done I wont get any codes?
Once properly installed, there should be no active EGR codes.

I got the Predator yesterday in the mail, this thing ROCKS, I checked the trouble codes and there were none! I have had the finger stick on for over a week now and it works flawlessly even in the cold Buffalo weather, EXCELLENT JOB FINGERS! Thanks again
:oGee, thanks. I mean, your welcome.

i soldered all my connections instead of using wire taps. more fail safe but takes a little longer to install.

I just installed my stick, egr still plugged in. I had egr unplugged and got codes, plugged it back in and no more codes, then I put on my 5" straight pipe and the light came back on. I just installed my fingers stick with the egr still plugged in, ive still gotta light. with the egr unplugged the light is there too. where have i gone wrong?

I just installed my stick, egr still plugged in. I had egr unplugged and got codes, plugged it back in and no more codes, then I put on my 5" straight pipe and the light came back on. I just installed my fingers stick with the egr still plugged in, ive still gotta light. with the egr unplugged the light is there too. where have i gone wrong?
Probably a bad connection on the hookup. If you know the codes and can tell me, I can usually tell you what wire is not hooked up right.

I rechecked all of my connections and some of the tapps definitely werent as snug as they could have been, a buddy told me to really reef on em with the pliers, i had just snapped em shut with my fingers. the light was still on. after about 30 miles of driving and maybe 6 startings the light went off. I tried to reset my computer by disconnecting my battery but I dont think it worked as my radio presets all remained the same. Maybe I should have left it disconnected longer. Anyhow I dont know the codes, I tried all day to find someone who reads em. The cheapest offer I got was $40 +/- at a chevron quickstop, the stealer wants $99 an hour. Pardon my french but thats bull****. I heard autozone will check em for free, I know Kragen doesnt do it. I'll look for an autozone sometime in the next week and see if I cant get those codes. Once I do Ill let you know what they are. Whats a code reader cost? Ive heard everything from $700 to $10,000. Isn it called an OSB 4 or something? thats enough
later
and thanks

The predator will read the codes and you get a tune too.

If the light is off on the Calfornia truck, the stick is working.

Mr. Fingers
Stick is installed and what a quality job you have done. Thanks for your help and expertise. Guys like you have made my decision to go diesel fun and interesting. I run unobstructed intake and exhaust and am awaiting MSD Digital Propane Injection to be offered by one of the forum sponsors.
Definate thumbs up
Joe

Fingers,

Got the stick today. Looks top quality. Uhhh, no hookup instructions????:confused: :confused: :confused:

Check this thread and you will see pics and everything

the pics and instructions are flawless and are on page 11

Hi Fingers. You have money. Thanks!

Here are two links with just my instructions:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpo...05&postcount=98 (showpost.php?p=437605&postcount=98)

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showpo...4&postcount=104 (showpost.php?p=438534&postcount=104)

enjoy,

Thanks JM and Fingers!

I rechecked all of my connections and some of the tapps definitely werent as snug as they could have been, a buddy told me to really reef on em with the pliers, i had just snapped em shut with my fingers. the light was still on. after about 30 miles of driving and maybe 6 startings the light went off. I tried to reset my computer by disconnecting my battery but I dont think it worked as my radio presets all remained the same. Maybe I should have left it disconnected longer. Anyhow I dont know the codes, I tried all day to find someone who reads em. The cheapest offer I got was $40 +/- at a chevron quickstop, the stealer wants $99 an hour. Pardon my french but thats bull****. I heard autozone will check em for free, I know Kragen doesnt do it. I'll look for an autozone sometime in the next week and see if I cant get those codes. Once I do Ill let you know what they are. Whats a code reader cost? Ive heard everything from $700 to $10,000. Isn it called an OSB 4 or something? thats enough
later
and thanks
Code reader 700!!!!! I bought one from Kragens for 80 bucks after the mail in rebate. The total cost without rebate was 115. No bells and whistles, it gives you a code reader and a book. The reader gives you the code, the book will have the code. The reader will also erase codes.

occitiger-


thanks, im gonna go get one tomorrow.

Any sticks left?
Thanks

I will make sticks as llong as people ask for them. Next batch of parts will be here early next week.

dumb question: after i install the stick and egr block off do i unplug the egr or leave it plugged in?

dumb question: after i install the stick and egr block off do i unplug the egr or leave it plugged in?
Leave it plugged in.

Hi Fingers. You have money. Thanks!
Fingers did you receive my order? Haven't heard from you. Thanks.

Fingers did you receive my order? Haven't heard from you. Thanks.
You will get email confirmation when I record the order. I just checked, and yes, I got your paypal too.

Ok fingers,
I am a little lost .
Would you explain what all of this is for!!!
I know i don't want a egr, where does the stick go and do i have to block off
the egr or what!!!!!
Thanks
David :confused:

David,

From your sig, it doesn't work on your truck. For LLY engines only. Gonna make you read the thread to find out the rest. :)

finger, do you have any more finger sticks? i need to order two of them.


thanks,
livnlife

I would also like one.

Paypal sent
thanks

What does the finger stick do for the duramax??

What does the finger stick do for the duramax?? you need to read this (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12715&highlight=blocking)

Fingers-

I Need 5 Sticks When You Get The Next Batch. Pm When They Are Available.

Guess IM gonna go ahead with one as well. Let me know at your conveinence:D

Come on guys/gals, read my posts. I will be making sticks as long as people want them. The first post on this thread has the ordering info.

I've got another project for you Fingers. On trucks that have been regeared and/or had tire sizes changed more than 15-20% are having some ABS sensor issues. It seems that the transmission output shaft speed sensor and the front ABS sensors read a different speed. I believe the scanner showed the front sensors at higher speeds than the rear. Is there anyway to buffer the front signal to slow it down or amplify the rear to speed it up?That ABS light coming on along with the beeping is starting to play on my nerves.Any input would be greatly appreciated(sp).

Thanks,Bill

I've got another project for you Fingers. On trucks that have been regeared and/or had tire sizes changed more than 15-20% are having some ABS sensor issues. It seems that the transmission output shaft speed sensor and the front ABS sensors read a different speed. I believe the scanner showed the front sensors at higher speeds than the rear. Is there anyway to buffer the front signal to slow it down or amplify the rear to speed it up?That ABS light coming on along with the beeping is starting to play on my nerves.Any input would be greatly appreciated(sp).

Thanks,Bill
Changing tire tizes will not set off the ABS. The front and rear speeds are still in sync. Usually going to lower gears causes problems. The ABS senses the front is way slower than the rear.

Tampering with the speed signal coming from the tranny sensor is a bad idea IMO. But correcting the signal from the front wheels is doable. In the good old days you could do this with a different reluctor in the front, but alas, that option is not available now. Ideal solution is to recal/reprogram the ABS module or TCM.

What could we use to recalibrate the front sensors,we already know a Tech II won't work in our situation.I thought if we could figure out the input/output voltage from the ABS sensors we could modify it some way to adjust the signal.Just an idea.I think if anyone can figure it out it would be you.Do you have access to the ABS wiring diagrams?

What could we use to recalibrate the front sensors,we already know a Tech II won't work in our situation.I thought if we could figure out the input/output voltage from the ABS sensors we could modify it some way to adjust the signal.Just an idea.I think if anyone can figure it out it would be you.Do you have access to the ABS wiring diagrams?
The sensors are pulse wave modulated. That is, they send ticks, not voltage. Same for the tranny speed sensors and the TCM speed signal. All PWM.

The ABS does use the speed refernece generated from the ECM. So it should be programmable similar to adjusting the spedo readout.

Im an idiot.

I put on my 5" ehaust and gor a light, fingersticked it, no more light. So, I unplugged my egr, still no light. Today I put in the plate, while putting in the plate I decided that I could tidy up my stick installation by basically reinstalling it after trimming off excess wire. I did it all then drove around with no light. This afternoon, light came on. I tried to screw with it in the dying light and ended up cutting the gray wire w/ black stripe! I put this wire back together, checked all my connections and started the truck. I got the light again. I really screwed up this one, I think it might be best to get another stick and start over from scratch. Anyone have any input.

oh yeah, here are the codes im getting
P0401
P0103
P0404
P0405
P1404
i looked them all up and all have to do with either excessive air flow or the egr.
bought a reader today, well worth it.

Sorry fingers ,
I have not udated my sig.
I just bought a 05 gmc crew w/long bed Duramax!!!:)
And i will tell you i don't want no stiking soot in my engine. -:t
Thanks David

oh yeah, here are the codes im getting
P0401
P0103
P0404
P0405
P1404
i looked them all up and all have to do with either excessive air flow or the egr.
bought a reader today, well worth it.
I answered you in the other thread. Send me pics of your connections, you have a couple crossed.

I had it put in, the only thing that I had a question about is the senor, that you unhook, Do I reconnect it? or leave it off like in the pics you showed.

If you are talking about the EGR plug, put it back on.

Good answer.

Fingers, after much diliberation I will be setting up a Pay Pal account tonight and ordering a Stick from you :).

For my own benefit I re-read this entire thread (yes - all 19 pages) and compiled a word document which contains your install directions as well as many installation notes complete with photos. Basically I copied & pasted alot of stuff from this thread and cleaned it up. I also included a FAQ type section.

My thoughts are that if we can get this posted on the DIY thread it should stop alot of the repeat questions you are getting and be a more condensed way of members getting the info and the Sticks

I downsized the photo's etc and the Word Document is about 760KB in size.

If you (or any other member. I guess) would like to pursue this, let me know. I can E-mail the document to you. I'm not sure how we can get it on the DIY section in the Word form?

Let me know.

Rob

I will follow up on this next week.

I will follow up on this next week.

OK Fingers!

Someone please do me a favor and save me from having to look thru this thread again by answering the following questions so that I can include the info in the installation document mentioned above for everybody's use:

#1) It's a good idea to remove the blocker plate when going to the dealer for warranty work, but what do you do with the Stick? Can you just leave it connected with the EGR plate removed? Does this play games with the PCM / ECM?

#2) If the stick is installed without the blocker plate Fingers made mention previously that you could just disconnect one wire to disable the Stick functions. Anybody remember which one / what the process was?

Thanks!

The stick can be left on the truck, but like all aftermarket things, out of sight out of mind. The ECM should stay happy. You may have to leave it on to keep the big exhausts from setting codes. to my knowledge, it is invisable to the Tech II's

If you disconnect the EGR wire on the stick, the stick just passes the MAF signal to the ECM without modification. If you are blocking codes, the codes will come back.

Thanks - It's now included!

You have PayPal. Install directions are also complete - I think you'll be pleased. I've got about 2 1/2 hours of sweat into them :)

The stick can be left on the truck, but like all aftermarket things, out of sight out of mind. The ECM should stay happy. You may have to leave it on to keep the big exhausts from setting codes. to my knowledge, it is invisable to the Tech II's

If you disconnect the EGR wire on the stick, the stick just passes the MAF signal to the ECM without modification. If you are blocking codes, the codes will come back.



So - Disconnecting the BLUE EGR wire will return the EGR operation to stock / OEM with the remaining Stick wires still installed. correct?

If the above statement is correct, then a practical installation note I could add would be be to: install a disconnect type wire terminal in the BLUE wire. Then, if seeking dealer service you could, open the loom, disconnect the blue wire, close loom up again, remove blocker plate (if applicable) and take it to the dealer.

Yes? No? Maybe?

So - Disconnecting the BLUE EGR wire will return the EGR operation to stock / OEM with the remaining Stick wires still installed. correct?

If the above statement is correct, then a practical installation note I could add would be be to: install a disconnect type wire terminal in the BLUE wire. Then, if seeking dealer service you could, open the loom, disconnect the blue wire, close loom up again, remove blocker plate (if applicable) and take it to the dealer.

Yes? No? Maybe?
The EGR works the same with or without the stick. What is modified is the signal coming from the MAF sensor. So, disconnecting the Blue EGR wire stops the MAF signal modification.

If you are coding because of the exhaust, disabling the Stick will bring the codes back.

You will get email confirmation when I record the order. I just checked, and yes, I got your paypal too.
Can you please advise when you'll record the order and ship the stick? I sent Paypal funds on 1/2/05, about a week ago. Thanks.

The EGR works the same with or without the stick. What is modified is the signal coming from the MAF sensor. So, disconnecting the Blue EGR wire stops the MAF signal modification.

If you are coding because of the exhaust, disabling the Stick will bring the codes back.

Got it! No sense in disconnecting the Stick when going to the dealer - just remove the blocker plate if necessary.

Disconnecting the BLUE wire would be another way of testing to see if the stick is working if it is completely insatllated and you have a DTC scanner / reader: Running it with blue wire disconnected and the blocker plate in place codes will be thrown. Connect the blue wire, clear the codes, run it - whallllla! Fingers Stick is working - no more codes.

Can you please advise when you'll record the order and ship the stick? I sent Paypal funds on 1/2/05, about a week ago. Thanks.
Confirmed reciept of order on 1/2/2004. Check your spam folder, For some reason the spam filters put my email there.

The Fingers Stick must be popular :) as I've gotten a couple PM's asking me to e-mail the DIY install directions. This is not feasible as I have a dial-up connection and it will take me forever. Be patient, I'm sure they will be posted soon.

Rob

fingers, I'm getting the 401 & 404 codes. I have yet to put the plate on, but the stick went on last week.

If those ore the only codes then the connection to the EGR wire is bad OR you don't have the EGR plugged in.

You have paypal

The Fingers Stick must be popular :) as I've gotten a couple PM's asking me to e-mail the DIY install directions. This is not feasible as I have a dial-up connection and it will take me forever. Be patient, I'm sure they will be posted soon.

Rob

Install directions are complete and ready for posting in the DIY but having trouble getting it posted. I asked for help with the task in Forum Help & Suggestions
HERE (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=21370)

Fingers,

I know I asked you at one time how cold it can be for your sticks to stop working, but I can't find that info any more.

At what temp will these sticks fail to work properly?

The last thing I want is for this thing to cause a "no-run" condition at -30°F!

Thanks.

I am using components rated down to -40F. They will probably still function well below that. Even so, if the Stick fails, you will not be in a no-run situation, just have codes set.

Fingers, I wanted to see if you recieved my payment. Thanks, Ryan

PayPal sent.

Thanks.

-P.

Again,

All orders are confirmed by email, usually within a day. Some ISP's, for reasons outside my understanding, put my replies in the SPAM folder. MSN, Yahoo, and HotMail are persistant offenders.

If you did not get my confirmation reply Ryan, then I guess I need to refund your money. It was confirmed on the 4'th. I require a functioning email address for orders.

If ANYONE did not recieve a confirmation reply to their order, Send mail to Daedalus1 AT verizon.net and I will refund your money.

Fingers .......How much longer before the next batch is out,....no hurry just wondering.......Rick p.s cant wait to try it!!

Parts should be here late this week.

Install directions are complete and ready for posting in the DIY but having trouble getting it posted.

Finger Stick Installation Directions and FAQ's have been posted in the DIY forum: FINGER STICK INSTALLATION AND FAQ's (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=454317&posted=1#post454317)

Hope they help!

Rob

Some ISP's, for reasons outside my understanding, put my replies in the SPAM folder. MSN, Yahoo, and HotMail are persistant offenders.Fingers,
one reason I can see that your email is being flagged as spam is that you put the recipient's email address in the subject line of the email you send. When I checked why the mail you sent me was flagged, that was why. If you stop doing that, it should help reduce the frequency of your messages that are being flagged as spam. Some may still get flagged, but probably not as often.

All pending orders should go out Monday US Post. Instructions are at http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21428 thanks to skoryaro2. Many more available for anyone interested.

No posts in 5 days ------- hope I didn't kill your thread with the DIY post :(

Fingers i installed your stick about 2 weeks ago...No check engine light anymore...Thanks that thing is worth every penny...:ro)


sean

Glad to hear it Sean.


I'm afraid the thread has gotten a little long in the tooth. Too much to absorb. I also think people are waiting for some more feedback, but that is up to those that have already installed the bugger.

I ordered one today. Thanks for doing this.

Bill

No problem. Let us know how it goes. I should have it in the mail tomorrow.

Fingers,


Paypal sent tonight.


Thank you

4day4me

Paypal sent also.

:)

ordered! i will let you know how it goes. thanks

Another Paypal sent.

Fingers,
Just ordered a finger stick check your paypal.
Thanks,
Dave

Just received mine in the mail.

Thanks again,

- P.

Fingers
I'm not an e-tech but I have one of these little buggers soldered up from the circuit dia. you posted. I'm wondering what checks you do to make sure it's working right?

Thanks

Fingers
I'm not an e-tech but I have one of these little buggers soldered up from the circuit dia. you posted. I'm wondering what checks you do to make sure it's working right?

Thanks

Look about half way down "How to tell if it's working"
http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21428

Beat me to it. Next thing ya know you will be making sticks and selling em cheaper than me.
:)

Beat me to it. Next thing ya know you will be making sticks and selling em cheaper than me.
:)

Consider it a partnership.......you're Technical Development and Production, I man the Help Line and run the front office

:) Got mine in the mail yesterday. Waiting until a quick trip to the dealer before putting it and the plate in.
):h

Consider it a partnership.......you're Technical Development and Production, I man the Help Line and run the front office

Think I am getting the short end of the deal..........

got it today...thanx

paypal sent. Thanks Jeff

I just sent my Paypal payment. I can't wait!! Is it here yet? ):h

Paypal sent today. Thanks, Henry

hey fingers did you ever get my payment?

my address is
2 albion st millville ma

Confirmation email and shipping email sent 1-19-05 Jason.

Fingers, great idea and the product looks good. It should help with fuel mileage. I'm going to get the reflash done before installing the plate and the stick. Thanks You, Bill Groat

Hey fingers,

Recieved the stick today and it looks great. Still waiting for all the upgrades to come in so I can install everything at once. Once again great job.

Thanks

Also received my finger stick yesterday, nice job, now if my truck would come in I'd be all set. Two weeks down six to eight to go.

Hehee. My stick arrived today. My wife opens all the mail and didn't want to open it - thought it was a bomb.

You might want to put something on your envelopes that says "NOT A BOMB"

:)

Fingers,
I was directed to this forum to find out about the egr light and I think you got the fix. I just want to know how to install it. It probably is easy, just curious.

Fingers,
I was directed to this forum to find out about the egr light and I think you got the fix. I just want to know how to install it. It probably is easy, just curious.

look here

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21428<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

just got back into town

Fingers
thank you!

time to out the money:ro)

I received my Fingers stick last week, installed it this weekend along with a 4” exhaust. Not a code to be found! Thanks for making the stick available to us.

:ro)

Glad to hear it guys. Keep em coming.

Fingers, I'll take one if you will ship to Canada. Let me know how much.
Thanks

Fingers, I'll take one if you will ship to Canada. Let me know how much.
Thanks
Info and ordering here. (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21428)

Fingers sorry it took so long but here is a picture of my finger stick installed. Thanks again after almost 5,000 miles it's still working great. I am pointing to the stick wrapped with tape inside the wire loom.

The installs keep getting cleaner. :)

Finally got some better weather today. Installed the blocker plate and Finger Stick. Also ordered the Predator today. Will use it to check on any codes when it comes in. Appears to be working but won't know for sure until I'm Predatorized :)