I am very new the the Duramax and have been trying to do my homework on what performance upgrades to do and what if any will not void my warranty. Anyone know about the Banks Stinger package or hypertech?

Buy a HOT Juice or try the new Quadzilla tuner.


http://www.edgeproductsinc.com/juice.html


Waiting for someone to buy a Quad tuner so I can get some first hand data.


http://www.quadzillapower.com/duramax.htm


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gifEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

I have had really good luck with the regular Juice. Lots of extra power when towing, which is what I wanted/needed. As far as the warranty, it is a don't ask don't tell thing, unless you find a good dealer that doesn't mind...mine does, right down to looking for the velcro strips!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif


Bob

<DIV>


I recommend Edge products great customer service and very reliable product ..


Edge is the ONLY tuner that I know of that monitors as the stock TCM does tranny slippage in order to preserve life ... This alone makes it worth it in my book ...


Soon they will be releasing an in the cab controller that will double as a G-tec,and gauges as in egt and boost, and on the fly setting changes ...


If your a true bomber the power will come down the road ...





Mac http://mail.wackywack.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif</DIV>Edited by: Mackin

bybycop - I had a Banks Stinger on my truck, and have since put it up for sale. It worked great, zero problems. decent power, lots down low. however it definately won't win if you're going for MAX HP (like some guy with a strip layin' black doooole). However, if you just want some very safe power (it won't let you over-temp the motor) that works geat for towing then its a good idea.


If you want power, listen to Mackin... then again, he eats tranny's for breakfast too. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif


I also like the predator, because as well as increasing power, it functions as a OBDII scan tool, can adjust for larger tires/raise speed limiter, and its cheaper.


however the Juice is a fine product.. as a matter of fact some juice guys will probably try and spank my predator this weekend at the Sacramento get together.. heheh

My dealer says any "chips or programmers" will void the warranty. So I take off the Juice when the truck goes in for service. On the other hand, a dealer 30 miles away installed a Juice on my friends truck and told him "not to worry about warranty issues".


Regards,


Lee

You guys are a welth of knowledge! Hey Mackin, where do I find out more about that in cab controler? By the way, nice rig!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif


Hey diesel power thanks for answering my question. I would like to get the predator so I can also change my tire size. Do I need to worry about it over heating my engine? Do you have the Monster exhaust? Do you like the way it sounds? Any problems with bolting it on?

the predator can be had from James @ www.runninwiththedevil.com (http://www.runninwiththedevil.com). if i were buying ANY type of power box/programmer i would get gauges.. just to be safe! i do have the monster exhaust. i love the sound and the construction is first rate. i've installed it on 3 trucks and it fit perfect every time.


Nick

im sold. Im ording the Monster tomorow! Now i just need to decide what chip/ programmer to get. The reason I am considering the stinger kit is cause it already comes with gauges and waste gate. What is an alternative for gauges and how important is the waste gate control?

Link for a great price ona BANKS.


If you need another configuration click the thumbnail.


http://shop.ivalueinternet.com/bigexhaust/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/1018.htm (http://shop.ivalueinternet.com/bigexhaust/index.cfm/action/productdetail/product_id/1018.htm)


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

I have owned and ran the Hot Juice for many months and have been quite happy with it. I recently purchased the Quadzilla Stealth Tuner, 135 HP model and conducted some side-by-side testing (if you know what I mean) with another Duramax...one with the Quad in 135 HP level and Hot Juice in 125 HP level. They are very, very close in performance with no clear winner over the other.


I like some of the features of the Quad such as code reading and resetting, tire size speedo correction and speed/rpm limiter eliminator.


I too, and interested in the Edge controller when it is released.


I recently towed with the Quad and it does a great job and EGTs were easily under 1100 degrees the entire pull.

Thanks for the link 02Dmax! Just checkin out your pics, nice truck! Any words of advice for installing the monster exhaust?

Hey RV guy, how is your tranny holding with either of those chips? Where did you get your quad? What gauges are you running?

Thanks for the link 02Dmax! Just checkin out your pics, nice truck! Any words of advice for installing the monster exhaust?

The Banks is very easy to install .... I installed mine right in my driveway with a good floor jack ..... I was able to remove in two pieces, unbolted at the flange and of course at the downpipe V clamp ....

Remove the Right (passenger) shock for clearance over the rear differential .....

Once the shock is removed use a block on the jack saddle to raise right corner of truck to give maximum clearance between body and rear axle .... You do not need the wheel (s) off the ground ... The rear portion of the exhaust will come forward over the differential ...

Use some soapy water or WD40 on the rubber hangers for ease of removal. They can be stubborn ...

Install the Banks according to instructions given with the kit ...


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif

Thanks for the advice Mackin! Im a lot less nervouse about that project now. Now if I could only decide what chip or programmer to get.

Your dash looks sweet! Where did you get the Escalade goodies?

Hey Guys. How critical is it to have an exhaust and guages when you are running Juice?? I would like to slap one in the Dmax, but am also going to be hard-pressed for $$ going to WASSU and having a new truck. Could I still run it, and keep it at a lower tune and maybe off for towing, and be safe??

Hey Guys. How critical is it to have an exhaust and guages when you are running Juice?? I would like to slap one in the Dmax, but am also going to be hard-pressed for $$ going to WASSU and having a new truck. Could I still run it, and keep it at a lower tune and maybe off for towing, and be safe??





I have BURIED the 1600 degree gauge on my truck...............IMHO running gauges are a must.


Gauges....Exhaust....Air Intake and then you'll take full advantage of the power mod.


Believe me the temptation is too great to push once you have the power available, Me and my "virgin tranny" know all about it.


P0700 DTC code is well worn onto my TCM.........http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

Your dash looks sweet! Where did you get the Escalade goodies?

I started a thread for you in acc. forum on Escalade parts ....

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

just found it and am having fun on those sites. Thanks

If there is anyone out there with some real good advice or who wants to explain the options between the different choices Im sure a ton of people would really appriciate it. You can tell by the number of hits that this is a subject that a lot of people are wondering about. Thats actually what got me on this site, wanted to turn to the pro's to find out whats the best option. For me this is a big decision and I want to know that I made the right choice. If I just want some extra power and dont want to hurt my engine plus I need to recalibrate my tire size what is the best option?


Thanks inadvance for your help!


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

If there is anyone out there with some real good advice or who wants to explain the options between the different choices Im sure a ton of people would really appriciate it. You can tell by the number of hits that this is a subject that a lot of people are wondering about. Thats actually what got me on this site, wanted to turn to the pro's to find out whats the best option. For me this is a big decision and I want to know that I made the right choice. If I just want some extra power and dont want to hurt my engine plus I need to recalibrate my tire size what is the best option?


Thanks inadvance for your help!


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif





Uhhmmm,


How soon do you want to buy a tranny, then I'll answer your question.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif

Exactly! Thats the problem, I dont want to for at least a couple years plus i dont want to void my warranty. I know "outa sight outa mind" so which is easiest to take out?





Thanks Tony,


Mike

Exactly! Thats the problem, I dont want to for at least a couple years plus i dont want to void my warranty. I know "outa sight outa mind" so which is easiest to take out?





Thanks Tony,


Mike





bybycop,


Not to take anything away from EDGE 'cause I love the HOT OJ, but I have heard that the new Quadzilla tuner has got comparable HP, features you are looking for like reflash for tires etc. and is a loader meaning it reflashes the ECM like a Predator does.


Juice and Hot Juice are CAN-BUS plug ins meaning they plug into the harness for the engine, no ECM reflash with that set-up.


IN the long run with the Attitude controller from Edge it's a tough one to pick.


Keep the tunes lower and the tranny will last. Under 90hp shouldn't be too hard on the tranny long term.


I will be getting a Quadzilla soon, waiting for the right price.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=33597&amp;item=2430929 053


BD Rebadged Tuner--------looks like Quads http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gifEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Now your really confusing me!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif Just kidding, havent heard much about the bully dog? How does it compare to the Quadlizza? Your info was of great help. Still trying to decide.





When you coming to Vegas?





Mike

" When you coming to Vegas? "


I will be there for 1 or 2 weeks in late April 2004. Probably fly in on Wed 4/28 ? or Thurs 4/29 ? and will stay at Venetian or Belagio till Saturday, then to my condo outside the strip for a week.


5/01-5/09 and then maybe a for few more days after that. http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

You must be a high roller if you are staying at those placeshttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif What side of town is your condo on?


Is there any guys in this forum from Vegas?

South end heading towards Red Rock Canyon.


7 miles off the strip.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif


Not a high roller just a hard worker ...........Edited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Off charleston I take it? I live on that side. What do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking?

I too would like hear some suggestions for boxes. I don't want to damage the tranny, or do a whole bunch of mods to strengthen the drivetrain. Right now I just want to add as much punch as I can and still be safe.

From all the reading I have done, 90hp is considered safe for the tranny. I have yet to limp on the 90hp level with my regular juice. I haven't been keeping up with all the boxes since I got mine, so I have no clue what else is out there.


Hope this helps some...


Bob

4x4man,


Edge has programmed thier box to talk with the Allison TCM and in the event of a tranny slip the Edge backs down on the power.


On another note if you stack a pressure type box or a tuner program like the Predator with the Juice - REG or HOT it seems to defeat the defueling and will cause a P0700 DTC code also known as a Transmission Malfuction .


That code can only be reset by the TECH II Scanner, I know cause I have a few stored now in my TCM and cannot be reset by The Predator.


GMC. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif


However a trip to FL in December and a stop over at SunCoast should prevent that code from re-appearing. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

GMC,


Very good to know! Whats your thoughts on the Juice/Attitude combo? Looks like Ive narrowed it down to that or the Quad. Every spare moment I get Im doing my homework in either.


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif

I like the Juice.


It was the first power mod I have done and in CT we have almost every combo dyno'd so we know what is what as far as HP/TQ.


I have seen my truck go from 249 HP/ 422 TQ stock to 387 HP/ 721 TQ on HOT Juice only.


Same Hot Juice stacked with the 40HP Predator tune yielded 408 HP/ 742 TQ.


Same Hot Juice stacked with the 60HP Predator tune yielded 412 HP/ 755 TQ.


Same Hot Juice stacked with the 40HP Predator and the VA pressure box tune yielded 435 HP/ 774 TQ.


Same Hot Juice stacked with the 60HP Predator and the VA pressure box tune yielded 429 HP/ 785 TQ.


VA Box all by itself yielded 301 HP / 523 TQ


I know I was slipping the tranny on the Dyno, we could see the TECH II showing 3120 rpm input and 2800 rpm output with the TECH II commanding 4th gear lock and TCC lock.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif


The new Predator tunes are coming out next week I heard and have them hopefully on the way.


The Quadzilla has not been on a dyno here yet but am hoping to get a loaner or buy one for the next dyno day in CT.

Soneone earlier stated that the attitude will act as the g tech and also change tire sizes??? Any confirmation on that one? Did you use the predator to change your tire size?

Yes,


The Attitude is reported to be a G-Tech type tool.


As far as I know it will display the corrected speed but will not alter the speedo in the dash as the Quad and Predator will.


The Predator is also a Scan Tool - DTC code reader and will reset all ECM codes.


It also allows real time data monitoring such as injector balance , TPS , boost, MAP, MAF etc. The display is larger than a Quadzilla/BD and it seems to be decent.


When I get the new tunes for the Predator I will update everyone, hopefully before the next CT Dyno Day III.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley8.gif

Juice.................


On E-bay............. Juice Box (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=33597&amp;item=2430285 371)


On E-bay............. New Juice v4.72 Attitude compatible (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=33597&amp;item=2431414 674)


I have bought from this guy before. Fine seller


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gifEdited by: GMC-2002-Dmax

Waiting for someone to buy a Quad tuner so I can get some first hand data.


http://www.quadzillapower.com/duramax.htm


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif





I posted a very long write up about the Predator and Stealth. What do you want to know? Other then wanting to take mine, I'll help you out. Hell I will even let you install it on your truck if you stop by.

Anyone looking to buy should definately take a look at HDMAX's write up. Little does he know how much Im going to try and pick his brain.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif Lots of detail and all around good info. Thanks Mike!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif





Mike

Thanks for the links GMC. Those are good prices. The ones at http://www.super-chip.com/chips/index.html?loadfile=catalog32_0.html seem to be the best deal for the Combo.


Its down to this or the Quad stealth!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

I would be careful sending money for something that isn't out yet. The site you linked says the monitor works with Ford and the Duramax, from what I have read, they are two entirely different monitors.

Yeah, no way Im sending money till its out! Do I wait or just get the quad? Im so anxious though!

Yeah, no way Im sending money till its out! Do I wait or just get the quad? Im so anxious though!


Buy them both so you won't have to decide.


GMC http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif

I would be careful sending money for something that isn't out yet. The site you linked says the monitor works with Ford and the Duramax, from what I have read, they are two entirely different monitors.








They do not charge you untill the product arrives and ships, i oredered mine already from there, no chrges till it ships. I beleive what thier site means on the monitor is that they have ones coming out for the ford and the d-max, not that both are the exact same monitor. I would not be suprised if they were the same though, all the monitor is is a LCD with a few buttons to pick options off the screen, i think the programming in the box is all that would be different

Any last words from the audience? Looks like Im going with the Quad Stealth (135). The Edge Attitude is very next on the list. I can already see this turning into an addiction.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif Actually it already is, I just dont have all the money to support it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif I did hear that the Attitude is shipping on Friday, guess we will see.


Any other words of advice from everyone? I see a lot of people visiting this site. Why dont you take a sec and join the forum?





Thanks


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Any last words from the audience? Looks like Im going with the Quad Stealth (135). The Edge Attitude is very next on the list. I can already see this turning into an addiction.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif Actually it already is, I just dont have all the money to support it.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Thanks


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif





The saying goes, he who dies with the most toys wins. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


You guys gotta know how good we all got it here......


Group Buys,


free exchange of links and pics.....


open posting by vendors once they get set-up........


I could of saved a ton of $$$ JING-A-LING.......BLING,BLING $$$$$


If only this sight was here a year ago........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


Hey this is what it's all about...........this is why Nick created it.


It's gonna turn into a juggernaut......


The rides just starting, so hang on...........


Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gifNY

Definately looking forward to the ride!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Hmmmm... any last words...


Start saving for your next set of tires!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Bob

Already started a savings account for that and a tranny!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


Whats up with your link Bob? I wanna see some pics. What tuner was it that your are running?





Mike

Mike,


The link works for me...try this:


http://www.webphotos.com/list_photos.asp?mi=3&amp;smi=1&amp;a=97210


I am running regular juice for now, just might have to upgrade to Hot Juice if my buddies 6.0 PSD is faster than me with his new Edge box!!! hehehehe... We CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!!

all it shows for each pic is a sticker that says mrhostbot.com???

you going to get the attitude? should be out this friday???

mrhostbot.com?? WTF?? I have no idea why it is doing that for you. Wonder if it is doing it for others.


I have no plans to get the attitude. I really only wanted the Edge for towing. While it has other great features, I will soon know the local police on a first name basis like Mac if I try out those features on the Attitude!!http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif


j/k Mac

yeah, ask someone else to visit the site and see what it says? Mybe my comps messed. Its done that from first day you had it up.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Throw Up.gif


Is there ever any diesel get togethers in your neck of the woods?

Bummer. Hopefully we can figure out the problem, or what is causing you not to be able to view the pics.


No get togethers out here so far. CS-DMAX and I are gonna get together this weekend and install his fuel filter. I guess that is about as close to a get together as we can get right now. He also showed some interest in trying to get some type of get together going as well. Hopefully we can get something going if either of us has the time!


Hopefully the Vegas idea comes through next year. That is a pretty easy drive for me. Would be nice to do a little more wakeboarding on Lake Mead if I can borrow my parents boat again!! Man is that water awesome!!!


Bob

Grab the boat, lets hit the lake! That would be way fun! I got access to some boats or jet skis also.


Mike

Anyone looking for a smokin deal on the Quad stealth's Please check out the group buy forum!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=290&amp;PN=1Edited by: bybycop

Still getting more people, the more the better. Keep em coming! Tell everyone you know!


Thanks,


Mike

Hey, if we have a get together on Lake Mead, we can take my boat! I have a 22' open bow Monterey 218LS. It has a 5.7L EFI 260 HP motor and is a real blast! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif It is slightly different that pictured (I wish I could have figured out how to get the dealer to throw in "hot chick" as my father-in-law so eloquently put it), but here it is:


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/7A3_boat.jpg


Shoot, thats the main reason I bought the DMAX...my suburban was not up to the task of towing the boat, with 4 people, the dog, toys, etc, especially not at 6000 ft and above elevation. Now, I barely even know its back there! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gifhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


John

Come on down John,


Its starting to cool off down here in vegas. Better hurry. Ive been on Mead the first week of Jan though.


Got any pics of your truck?


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif

Mike,


I am going to take a few this evening and get them up on the board...in another thread there is a disussion about nerf bars and one of the guys wants to see some examples of stainless steel bars. Should be on the board later tonight.


John

Thanks John.


I want to get some stainless bars and a billet grill. Just looking for the right ones at the right price. Ill be looking for some pics.


Mike

Anyone wanting to participate in a group buy for any of the quad stealth's please visit the group buy thread and contact me!


http://dieselplace.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=290&amp;PN=1





Thanks,


Mike

bybycop,


Sorry, I forgot which forum you post was in...I posted some pics in a different forum. Here is a shot of my stainless Luverne bars.


John


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/8D2_nerf_bar_s.jpg

Those look really good John. Im going to try and find your other pics on here.

So byby;


Have you decided which box you will buy? Just go with the Stealth 135, you will love it. And besides when you tow/haul or just don't want all that power, you can chose from 0hp, 70hp, 90hp, and 110hp.


All the other perameters work at any setting including stock horse power.

Mike,


I did decide to go with the stealth 135hp. I made my mind after your post! I really apriciate you doing that and taking the time to share! That was way cool. I know a lot of other people would agree with me that we need more posts like that. Thanks!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif


Any other info you come across that might help. Please feel free to post! Keep me posted on any new projects!


Mikehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif