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I ran across this while searching for PMD modules. It sounds promicing. Thought you all may like to read about it. Any of you vendors out here a dealer for Dipaco? Have they released them yet? Anyone have a price on them?

Cool, but Heath still gives you a warrranty that is seven times longer.

1 year warrenty or 7 year warrenty? My minds made up...

I understand about Heath's warranty if you buy the package. Just passing along the fact someone else has stepped out and tried to pay attention to the common faults with the old unit. Dang, pig headed around here sometimes. Its just information people.

From their site Why use a DTech PMD?

Higher Temperature Rated Components
The components used in a DTech PMD are rated to an average operating temperature of 125o C versus 85o C for the original equipment PMD. Using the temperatures in the chart above, you can see the DTech PMD components are rated well above the expected operating temperatures while the original parts are not.

Flexible Material Inside The PMD
If you take apart an original equipment PMD you will see it is filled with a very hard epoxy-like material. As components heat up they require a certain amount of expansion room. The hard material used by the OEM does not allow for expansion thus causing additional stress on the components and circuitry. The DTech PMD uses thermoset flexible potting material, which allows for thermal expansion as well as providing vibration absorption.

Thicker Heat Sink
The DTech PMD uses a thicker 11/16” anodized aluminum heat sink providing for greater heat dissipation. The OEM only uses a 9/16” thick heat sink.

Improved Transistor Mounting
The two transistors in the original equipment PMD are mounted to posts using nuts at a very low torque specification of 2 to 3 in. lb. Due to heat and vibration the nuts can back off and the transistors can become loose, causing intermittent problems. The design of the DTech PMD allows for a higher torque specification for the nuts. Then, an epoxy is applied to the nuts after installation that bonds the metals together. The result is a more stable assembly.

The DTech DT76301 PMD includes the PMD, mounting bolts and pad. The wiring harness, part number DT30882, is also available.

Could be a soultion emphasis on the could, again I'll offer up same advise if it is THE SOLUTION where is the warranty that backs it as being such.

There is another product RemarQ SOL-D wholly different design warranted for 5 years, good thing as many folks using it have had cold weather issues & it not being able to start.

Remember new & improved isn't always so, sometimes it is just new.

Dang, pig headed around here sometimes. Its just information people.

Not pig-headed, just skeptical. Why, if their product is so good, they are only confident enough to back it with a one year warranty? Heath is willing to back the old, crappy design with a seven year warranty. If a company is going to tell me something is new and improved, they had better be willing to back it up. Thanks for the info, it will be interesting to see if these go the way of the Sol-d.

I just got off the phone with the guy. $149.00 1year 50,00 mile warrenty. It sounds like they just totaly redesigned it eliminating the inherent design flaws. He is working with a guy that will offer a remote mounting kit. The PMD will be available in mid september. Did I mention $149.00 and can't you find pre made harness extensions. Arn't the heat sinks just a hunk of aluminum? I won't be suprised if the heavy hitters like Heath and Kennedy look into this. It has passed all it's trials in heat and cold but it's still new so........We will see.

Any site vendors Dipaco dealers?

Any site vendors Dipaco dealers?

I know the injector install kits that kennedy sells are made by Dipaco. At least they were 3yrs ago when i bought one. Dont know if that means hes a dealer or not.

What I do find interesting is that they seemed to have addressed the heat issues - which being in Arizona, concerns me greatly.

-Steve

I don't necessarily have an opinion about this new makers, too early to say. But I know one operation that is very,very,very nervous:

edamweb

this jack-leg on gaybay that has been peddling used pmd's like this:

This PMD is in very good condition TESTED on a 50,000$ BENCH and also tested on a running truck for 1 week (about 1000km of running). Our PMD have to pass all these tests before selling them. We dont just test them 20 minute as many other sellers do. They are in fully WORKING condition and that's guaranteed for 2 months.



If I had my choose of a new, redesigned PMD with a 1 yr warranty for $149 or an intake valley baked OEM unit with a 2 month warranty for $69.99 plus $20 shipping, I'd probably would buy the Duramax(JUST KIDDING).

Time will tell the tale on this one. It would be a great option for someone who already has one of the "other" coolers.

One more thought, exactly how much clearance is there between the PMD and the lower intake on IP-mounted drivers? The description says that it has an 11/16" heat sink VS 9/16" OEM, will an extra 1/8" thickness clear the lower intake?

Well, I know that on a Hummer (using the 6.5L TD van engine), there is likely not enough clearance because of various components that are crammed in there.

Of course, a lot of owners (myself included) have already remoted our PMD's - so converting to this new DTech unit won't be a hard thing to do.

-Steve

I don't necessarily have an opinion about this new makers, too early to say. But I know one operation that is very,very,very nervous:

edamweb

this jack-leg on gaybay that has been peddling used pmd's like this:

This PMD is in very good condition TESTED on a 50,000$ BENCH and also tested on a running truck for 1 week (about 1000km of running). Our PMD have to pass all these tests before selling them. We dont just test them 20 minute as many other sellers do. They are in fully WORKING condition and that's guaranteed for 2 months.



If I had my choose of a new, redesigned PMD with a 1 yr warranty for $149 or an intake valley baked OEM unit with a 2 month warranty for $69.99 plus $20 shipping, I'd probably would buy the Duramax(JUST KIDDING).

Time will tell the tale on this one. It would be a great option for someone who already has one of the "other" coolers.

One more thought, exactly how much clearance is there between the PMD and the lower intake on IP-mounted drivers? The description says that it has an 11/16" heat sink VS 9/16" OEM, will an extra 1/8" thickness clear the lower intake?

Well, for only $149, I guess it could pan out for use as a replacement for someone who has killed one by putting it on a heatsink under the hood and wants to use the same heatsink somewhere else.

If only Heath or Kennedy would endorse it all the walking talking billboards here would call it a god send. Till then,...
Me, If I could grab one for $149, I'd whip it out and order it today. Dipaco seems to have a sound reputation in the diesel parts market. If I can hold out till they are released, I'll guinee pig one for the mases.

Bud for whatever your feelings about "talking billboards" guess I fall into that category at times, I don't know of any "billboarders" that do it out of any brand loyalty for loyalty sake.

I've been a 6.5er since 2000 myself, member of multiple 6.5 boards, and have seen many a "new product" come & go, most times they go after guys jump on the bandwagon to be the first to have the new & improved & the new product has left them light in the wallet & still broke down as well.

As a group the 6.5er has been so burned by GM/Stanadyne to begin with, & multiple "improved" products we are severely jaded; so until someone shows us without a doubt it works we cheerlead what works & throw up the caution flag on any new promises.

Far too many times have we seen empty promises on driver longevity, only one that has proven to be up to the task has been the Heath backed by the warranty no other vendor matches.

Bear with us if it appears to be "cheerleading", but there is a reason for it, if it weren't true what many say here about a particular vendor it would get out fast the vendor did not live up to the commitment.

The vendor list you see in the vendor listing is about as good as it gets, so please bear with us when we talk billboard, we have seen a lot of good & bad stuff over the years, & have healthy skepticism to new, maybe overly so, but how many times can one get burned by unsubstantiated claim and not tend to get jaded.

If only Heath or Kennedy would endorse it all the walking talking billboards here would call it a god send.


I don't know where you come off with this thinking. I've been trying to call every 6.5 related sponsor on this board out over a product they all sell, and none of them will step up, but when something works, I'm going to give credit where it's due.

I'm with the masses, Why if the (FIX?) was so easy?........Why didn't standyne upgrade their own product?......(Is it to sell more PMD's?.....Isn't their reputation as important as their bottom line ($)?).......and also, wouldn't stanadyne have the most working knowledge of their own product?......I really don't know the answers to these questions......but untill it proves itself for the LONG RUN....(Sol-D being the perfect example)... IMO you'd have to be at least a little leary.
And why such a low price? If they truly corrected this horrid PMD problem.....I think it would be worth at least twice their amount.
Then of course you got the warranty........Thats were Heath has them all beat......
Just food for thought.......You've got to be a little skeptical, at the least!

Louis

TD, I hear you! I'm new in the 6.5 world. (probably says it all) If and when Dipaco gets the PMD modules on the market, if the pocket can afford it I'll try it out and speak from experience, till then I'm gonna let it go and Thank everyone for their feedback, insight and words of wisdom to use caution when its new and improved/unproven. Thanks everyone!:)

"As a group the 6.5er has been so burned by GM/Stanadyne to begin with, & multiple "improved" products we are severely jaded; so until someone shows us without a doubt it works we cheerlead what works & throw up the caution flag on any new promises."

Sounds like experience shining here TD,(something I don't have yet) Thanks for helping with the board and being so polite here and in pm!

rhino, I understand Heath's warranty. He's proven get the PMD out of the heat and it will last. His warranty is definitely his proof in his confidence in his product.

Glad I could share something new and thanks again for keeping it real.
Sorry it hasn't been proven yet, maybe I can change that down the road and say its been running for 1,2,3, years or say it lasted 12 months, 1 day and49,000 miles and everyone will get to say "Hey Jackass, told you so" and it won't be the first time I've heard that.
NOW :beerchug: :stirthepo :pig: :saluteusa: :anitoof:

Thanks again for everyone's opinion! I do understand the new and improved usually isn't. Knowledge is power my friends, thanks for all the power on this place. Back to searching for poor MPG threads.
PEACE!

If only Heath or Kennedy would endorse it all the walking talking billboards here would call it a god send. Till then,...

You got to get yourself a lot more experience to back up statements like this one, bud...

Your statement is truly irrelevant. Heath and Kennedy don't make the PMD - Stanadyne does.

All Bill Heath did was find a way to keep the old Stanadyne product from failing. I respect anybody who displays the guts to stand behind their product, something that I'm not yet seeing from this new wundertoy.



But I tell ya what... if my Heath unit ever dies, outside of the 7-year warranty, I'll sure consider your DiPapco unit.

However, since nobody I know has been able to come up with a genuine failure of a Heath PMD Isolator, I doubt it'll be an issue.


And welcome to the 'Place, by the way. You might think that we're all Heath/Kennedy fans, but that's likely because you waded right in here talking, instead of listening. There's a lesson in there...

...
And why such a low price? If they truly corrected this horrid PMD problem.....I think it would be worth at least twice their amount....
Louis

Only reason I can think of is to "buy" the market.

Sell enough cheap units to chase competitors out of the market, then raise prices.

Can't think there is enough money to be made in 6.5 FSDs to buy a Caribbean island and retire in comfort, so who knows....;)

I will take one "for the team" and order one for my remote setup. Considering that my DieselC_re and Performance "good used" PMD, which was actually a hack repaired-job, only last about 5 weeks on my remote cooler (in the bumper nostril). I am now running on the faulty backup unit on the pump that throws the DTC 35.

Assuming that these Dipaco units are available now, I should have one in my grubby little paws by early next week. I will document the experience with the Dipaco unit from start to...?

Regards,

Thanks, Golds.

If you already have a remote mount/heat sink, then it makes sense to give this a shot (much cheaper than a new Stanadyne PMD). We'll all be watching for your thoughts on this.

I'm still not convinced that it'll survive all that long on the IP, but...

...just colour me skeptical.

And welcome to the 'Place, by the way. You might think that we're all Heath/Kennedy fans, but that's likely because you waded right in here talking, instead of listening. There's a lesson in there...
TY for the warm fuzzy welcome. Must be the fur.:D
I have listened to a lot I've read j. I was trying to share something new, didn't think that was a bad thing. I was kinda hoping I'd get responses along the lines of dipaco makes junk, don't even try it or I've installed dipaco products for ??? years, they make a good product, this may indeed be worth checking out. I realise my "pig headed" comment set the tone for being bashed-I apologize for that, still my intention was letting the board know about a possible improvement on what seemed to be an old nagging problem. Heck, if they stand up to pump mounting, think how long they may last on a heath setup or some other remote locate design-other option is they burnout quick and cause more problems than they are worth. Hell man, I don't know just sharing, its my way. Not just sharing, everybody gets their own. ROFE:)

I asked Kennedy for a price. Hoping I'll hear back tomorrow. He did state they were untested and not released yet. Somebodies gotta test them. From what TD said, you guys have been burned by many'a new and improved products. That said, I'd still be willing try one but not so sure the old PMD is gonna make it till they are released. I'm gonna try and hold out though.

Did stanadyne's cost to manufacture go up or did they realize they control the market on this unique part? From what I've read, the old PMD units didn't start out with the over $400 list price. Its like wallyworld, when you have no competition left, you charge what you want.

Goldsburg, sorry your unit died so fast. Stories like yours has kept me from stepping out on fleabay and buying used. As its been stated around here, once the damage is done, its DONE.

Was it TD that tried to keep an old one alive by tightening the screws, sanding contacts and other TLC type things but in the end it died, it was just a slow death?

Well ladies and gents, it certainly got things riled up. I'd still like to try one, put my money where my mouth is and see how it goes. We can't take it with us.

Peace People

OK bud, sorry I poked back.

It was the comment about Heath/Kennedy and walking billboards that got me riled, BTW.

I like it when people share new things, or question the norm... we need that, just like everybody else. However, I don't think the comments you got back about the 'comfort factor' of Heath's reliaility and 7-yr warranty were out-of-line, either.

I'm quite pleased that Golds is gonna try one out on a remote cooler - that will get us some REAL data.

The PMD thing is a very contentious issue, bud. Lots of guys on here and other diesel boards look at Heath's price and run out to buy a competitor or build their own... most of the time, they save $100 because the PMD is $400 by itself. Then theirs dies and they're back here complaining.

I figure it's like the Fram commercial... "pay me now, or pay me later". I always want to ask "so, how do you feel about saving that $100 now, huh?

Sometimes I do... I just can't help myself.

Some guys, like Golds, build a solidly-designed remote kit and try to see if a used-but-good PMD will make it out there; on purpose, knowing that it might fail, but willing to take the shot just to see how much abuse a PMD can take and MAYBE save a little $$. So you see, there's 3 levels of PMD user here...

--the safe (bought a Heath kit),
--the sorry (bought a competitor or tried something they were warned about and now are doing it again),
--the searching (trying to find another way).

Those of us classed as 'safe' live with both the others just fine, but then again, they usually don't get uppity because we don't have a love-in with their trials and experiments.

Know what I mean?

Jim

This board as do most of them; has a low threshold to guys new to the forum throwing darts regardless of experience they may have, takes time to get established as "one of the guys", sort of like visiting a new neighbor and first thing you say is Hi, gosh that is one ugly dog you have, may be true but not best way to make new friends. At some point the owner may even comment my dog sure is ugly what do you think, meaning you are in, you just are too new to throw darts yet, so you got some backlash there, give us a little time to get to know you, I'll bet you fit in.

Lets move on guys to the question at hand nuff said

As was in the point to ponder study the PMD did die on it's own accord eventually lasting a little less each time, so damage is cumulative from my experience, which is why I try to steer folks from the "used but good" driver suppliers, unless you get 2 one to run and the other for the spare when it dies.

I still carry a spare even though I'm Heath remoted, it is still a Stanadyne driver & may fail, the warranty isn't so much to me the Heath remote driver won't ever quit, nut that if it does beyond normal circumstances of control/mfg quality it will be a covered item.

^^ this is why I like this place

OK - as was stated, Golds trying out the critter on a known good heat-sink should give a good test. At $149, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than a Stanadyne, and as long as it doesn't have the electronic and reliability issues of the SOL-D, this might well be the next great thing.

I still can't see it lasting on the IP, but here's a thought... if it works as well as the Stanadyne on a remote mount, I'll bet Bill Heath might be interested in mounting IT on his PMD Isolator... dropping the price and retaining the reliability. He might even make a little more money on each one, which I wouldn't mind if we could also save some $ on each one...

Something for everyone... finest kind.

My PMD (FSD i guess) has not given me one ounce of trouble, mounted in the fenderwell and always gets flow of cool air from the turbo, the heat sink itself is behind the passenger battery with the FSD mounted inside the fender, only problem i can see is heat soak on shut down, which hasn't been a problem yet, it seemed the coolest location when i did testing of air flow and underhood temps.

Now if i could only keep it running for more then 20k at a time...;)

I'm still waiting on my pump mounted one to die. 2 1/2 years that I know of with 120,000 miles or so since I got the truck.
That new one sounds interesting if this one ever gets around to pooping.
Ted

Some guys, like Golds, build a solidly-designed remote kit and try to see if a used-but-good PMD will make it out there; on purpose, knowing that it might fail, but willing to take the shot just to see how much abuse a PMD can take and MAYBE save a little $$. ...

Jim hit it right on the head here. I had a Heath kit on my previous 6.5TD and it solved all of my drive-ability issues was rock solid when I sold the truck (to Countryguy 828, here on the 'Place) and as far as I know, it is still going strong. I had the idea of saving some $$$ and "building" one myself. I believe, as Jim and others have said here, that once a PMD is hot, the damage is done. Yes, the PMD that I purchased (from that Big Auction site) was billed as "good used-tested", but when received it was obvious that it was repaired. I took a chance on that used PMD and got bit. Had I shelled out the money for a "new" PMD I would probably not have any problems today. I do wonder if the overheating of PMD's also tends to warp the heat sink, as demonstrated by needing to sanding the used PMD flat before mounting it...?

Anyway, what "data" would you guys like to see from the new DTech PMD? I have access to all types of instrumentation and could literally put thermocouples on ad-nauseum. I would like to realistically limit thermocouples to 3 or 4. Any other data suggestions?

Regards,

Okay. I called Dipaco this morning (at the number on their site) and they told me that the new PMD wouldn't be available to ship until mid-September and that the anticipated retail price is ~$250.


WTF????

Who did Stumpalump call about this PMD replacement? What is that number? I would much rather pay $150 than $250!!! Stumpalump, please post or PM me that phone number!!!! I want one for $150.00!!!!!!

Thanks!

Maybe the warranty extension is $149\XXkmi - plus the price of the unit - if you want a XXXkmi unit, it's 249 + 149 + 149 ad infinitum.................

Okay. I called Dipaco this morning (at the number on their site) and they told me that the new PMD wouldn't be available to ship until mid-September and that the anticipated retail price is ~$250.


WTF????

Who did Stumpalump call about this PMD replacement? What is that number? I would much rather pay $150 than $250!!! Stumpalump, please post or PM me that phone number!!!! I want one for $150.00!!!!!!

Thanks!
[TD edit direct hyperlink & contact removedCall them if you want to keep bugging them but he told me mid September and

Guys again policy is & I as mod have to enfore rules as given. You can not post direct hyperlinks or pricing or contact information to vendors that compete with the vendors that pay to be here, linking/contact info becomes free advertising that our vendors have to pay for, vendors advertising funds pay for the site so we don't have to pay to post here, a advertiser has to have confidence thier $$$ spent is well spent, if we post links to thier competiton not a good ROI to the advertiser.

We do allow discussion of alternative product, but no contact info nor pricing of competing product

If you have info for a non site vendor use PM for sharing this info as requested by GB

Okay. I called Dipaco this morning (at the number on their site) and they told me that the new PMD wouldn't be available to ship until mid-September and that the anticipated retail price is ~$250.


WTF????

Who did Stumpalump call about this PMD replacement? What is that number? I would much rather pay $150 than $250!!! Stumpalump, please post or PM me that phone number!!!! I want one for $150.00!!!!!!

Thanks!


Maybe they saw my post on what I thought it was worth?......LOL

Louis

Hmnn, maybe 1st call was based on talking to guy who knows how much they cost to make, vs talking to the sales marketeer that knows what the traffic will bear in the marketplace, and they have since evaluated the the 1st price thrown out.

Well fellas, 150 sounds like a winner, 250 ??? Maybe that's the suggested list price like stanadyne says there list is over 400 yet some retailers are willing to sell for less than double or triple what they paid. I own a store, everything can't be sold for double, somethings you get to triple or quadruple, the market and competition sets the price range.
I will add, I first ran across these things over a month ago, my only inquiry at the time was to ask about availability, I was told mid August. Maybe the lead in the mattel toys slowed down production.

You know fellas, it sure would be nice to see a rep from dipaco in here discussing these things.

When the units become available, maybe some of the site sponsors that deal with dipaco parts will give a price on the units. Till then, its something to ponder.

If mine doesn't give out before they go on sale, I'd still like to give it a try.

Peace fellas!

Hey if you have conversation with them invite them to join in, they just can't discuss pricing or link to their site unless becoming a paying vendor, which since they sell other Diesel stuff may not be a bad idea either

[TD edit direct hyperlink & contact removedCall them if you want to keep bugging them but he told me mid September and

Guys again policy is & I as mod have to enfore rules as given. You can not post direct hyperlinks or pricing or contact information to vendors that compete with the vendors that pay to be here, linking/contact info becomes free advertising that our vendors have to pay for, vendors advertising funds pay for the site so we don't have to pay to post here, a advertiser has to have confidence thier $$$ spent is well spent, if we post links to thier competiton not a good ROI to the advertiser.

We do allow discussion of alternative product, but no contact info nor pricing of competing product

If you have info for a non site vendor use PM for sharing this info as requested by GB

Are there any confirmed Dipaco vendors here on the 'Place? I would much rather give them my bidness...

Can I also post this request for Dipaco vendors information in the Vendor forum...?

UPDATE: I was able to contact a non-supporting vendor for additional price information and they are quoting me $299.90 directly from the manufacturer's "online" price list. They also said that this price list shows qty (0) available currently. At least the availability is consistent with what Dipaco themselves said this morning!!!

Regards,

Maybe the warranty extension is $149\XXkmi - plus the price of the unit - if you want a XXXkmi unit, it's 249 + 149 + 149 ad infinitum.................

At that rate, I'll opt for the X,000 mi warranty, which should be $14.90...right?:D

Regards,

Just stumbled across this thread, and noticed that a couple of members were looking for a Dipaco dealer from which to purchase the new PMD. I hope I'm not stepping across any lines (delete this and slap me back into my corner if I am!) to say that we are a Dipaco dealer and a supporting vendor also, of course (oops, need to send my check in, sorry Nick). I have been running a Dtech PMD on the ol' shop truck and am very happy so far. I will be happy to take any measurements, numbers, readings, etc and report them for anyone with questions. We have a Snap on scanner here in the shop, but have access to Tech 1 and Tech 2 also. If a few of the members would like one for testing, I might even be persuaded to offer a discount . I don't have them on the site yet, but drop me an e-mail if you have questions and I'll answer as best I can. (I am sometimes negligent about checking my PM's -sorry.) Hope this helps.

Tim

I just visited the above site , he now has the unit posted at 240.00 page 11

Hey Gang -

Just received my Dipaco PMD yesterday. I will take some photos and get it installed this weekend.

Where are guys taking reference temperatures on a PMD?

Thanks!

GB, on a test stand we used a IR gun on a free hanging driver, hottest area would be center between the 2 transistors, on my points to ponder I put a K thermocouple wire sensor into the cavity of 1 transistor, but I had to file a groove into it so it would not compromise clamping to the cooler plate, I'm not sure you will want to do that on a warrantable driver.

Maybe do a backside of the driver IR trace OEM vs Dipaco when mounted on the cooler. or maybe a underside of the cooler after it has run for a while, also a full air flow vs no flow as would be experienced in bumper to bumper driving, or off road crawling like I did on my PTP testing

Maybe do a backside of the driver IR trace OEM vs Dipaco when mounted on the cooler. or maybe a underside of the cooler after it has run for a while, also a full air flow vs no flow as would be experienced in bumper to bumper driving, or off road crawling like I did on my PTP testing

I have access to adhesive thermocouples. I can place one of those in the location that you suggested and monitor temperatures as I drive...

Regards,

I just received my new Dipaco PMD. It looks like a nice unit. It didn't come with a resistor, so I took the old #9 out and installed it into the new unit. And, it fixed my stalling issues. I only have about 15 miles on it but no stalling or shutdowns. So far so good. This one will never see the engine compartment so I'm hoping for a long lifespan

I just received my new Dipaco PMD. It looks like a nice unit. It didn't come with a resistor, so I took the old #9 out and installed it into the new unit. And, it fixed my stalling issues. I only have about 15 miles on it but no stalling or shutdowns. So far so good. This one will never see the engine compartment so I'm hoping for a long lifespan

how much did you save by going dipaco?

If they paid over 199 it was too much

Where are you guys getting these FSD's?

I bought mine($150) directly from Dipaco for my truck which has become the de facto company truck for our small remodelling biz. I told them the situation and they got it to me in 17 hrs. I am not sure if in the future you will have to buy from one of their vendors.

i sent dipaco an e-mail told 'em i wanted one shipped to 14150
(have super secret pipeline back to canada)
here's their reply,.
Dear Nick:

Your price is $299.00 plus tax and freight is as follow:

UPS-Next Day Air $42.86
UPS-2nd Day Air- $24.74
UPS-3rd Day Air- $16.42
UPS-Regular - $8.55

Item is in stock, if you need anything else please let me know.

Thank you
Alina Rodriguez
Customer Service Rep.
775-329-7511 ext. 117

so much for the cheaper alternative,. looks like the expensive one with the big warranty is still a (*gulp*!) better deal?
nick

Seen them on fleabay for onenintynine plus shipping.

Fighting mechanical problems before I relocate the pmd.

Site vendor has offered them in the 220 - 240 range. An extra 20 will help support the site and probably get you a contact should trouble arise and a warranty claim is needed.

The red headed step child.

Compared heat rise in Stanadyne verses Dipaco.

3,000 rpm WOT. Base temp 75 degrees pmd with no cooler.

Stanadyne reached 200 degrees in approximately 5 minutes.
Dipaco reached 200 degrees in approximately 8 minutes.

Test is swayed in favor of the Dipaco unit due to larger mass to heat up.
No further testing done.

I called Dipaco directly earlier today, hoping for a better deal than the $250 I was quoted from Kennedy - but it seems he's actually got the better deal. Dipaco quoted me $299 +shipping and said it was NOT in stock but should be again in a few days. I asked them about the $150 price I had heard about and was told that they just re-configured their pricing. I did not pursue it further because I was towing downhill on a windy road at the time and figured my life was worth more than $150 (though now I'm reconsidering!)

Quick, somebody get me a calculator!

Hmnn tested waters at $150 to see if interest was there, it was so lets try $299 to see what market will bear, still less than the Stanadyne ones but a decent profit also, my money is still on the time proven solution with best warranty.

Wonder what kind of prices the dealers are getting vs retail $299 you were quoted direct Dipaco pricing, must be good if vendors can sell them their cost plus still make a profit; and must really be good if none available to general public, shops jumping on them for own inventories killing the direct buy from mfr market.

I just installed one on my rig @ 145000 miles. I paid 261 smackeroos for it. It's pretty close to the 299 mark the Stanadynes are going for. I was feeling frisky that day.:D I will let you know how it goes. So far one week no probs (and happy to drive the rig with much less worry). The PMD it replaced was the current PMD late in 2006. It was on a remote mount on top of the manifold and I probably baked it doing two things: going across country climbing through Wyoming, South Dakota, and Idaho when it was 105* plus outside (no trailer). She was HOT! And my first towing with the rig (6000# trailer) and possibly reaching an excessive temp of 1200* POST turbo which I have now relocated (and the EGT wires had worn through causing an intermittent short). Then I bought a "used" PMD. this one failed immediately! and was worse than the one that was failing. I know y'all know this, but, ONLY BUY NEW!:eek: Time is money and not being able to drive the rig will drive you nuts!

I bought one of these today for 240 from a site vendor, Its supposed to be here Friday. We shall see how this goes....

Good Morning,

After reading some of the comments on this thread I thought I would add to the mix.

Concerning temps on our PMD. The OEM's PMD internal parts are rated at 85C or 185F degrees. The D Tech PMD internal components are rated at 125C or 260F degrees. Using the above test once the OEM reached 200 it had started to damage the PMD.

The OEM PMD price now is $423.00 after their price increase, there may still be some shops that have the older inventory and can sell OE at 300.00.
There are only two being made and ours can be identified by a little notch
to provide clearance for some applications.

Thanks for the chance to get this information to you.

I just got an email from Dipaco with their monthly updates. We are a diesel injection shop and Dipaco makes many parts for the stuff we do. Check you local injection shop and I would bet that they sell or can get Dipaco parts. I saw the PMD and it looks good to me. Someone asked before in this thread why doesn’t GM make these? GM has long moved on and I am sure they don’t have time to improve on stuff that has been out of production for the masses so long. I can not speak for Dipaco, but it looks to me that they saw a need and are filling it. Good job for that! We have them listed on our web site here http://www.hdiesel.com/product.asp?id=42 . The $149.95 is my cost on the part and the Dipaco list is $299.90 from what I was told today. I am selling it for $254.92 on my web site including shipping. If you find it cheaper call me and I will try to cut you a deal, but I have bills to pay too remember. I called and have four on the way today. They should be here by Tuesday or Wednesdsy.

Mark

I have ran several PMD's over 250 degrees and they are still running fine,
so much for damage.

Dipaco probably doesn't approve of companies listing cost on the internet and then selling them on ebay under suggested list. Not good business practice.

Dipaco probably doesn't approve of companies listing cost on the internet and then selling them on ebay under suggested list. Not good business practice.

Not sure who you are talking about there, but I only wanted to clear up the pricing confusion here. Whoever called Dipaco must have gotten that price by mistake. We don't sell on eBay so it must not be us.

Don't want to start anything here but I think DieselPro's point is that if the price is not available to the general public, then the GP has no business knowing what it is. Everyone understands that a business has to make a profit, just be competitive and fair and let the consumer make the choice.

1994
Chevrolet
6.5L Diesel
I think my vaccum pump is bad i need to know what all it runs my diesel has a bad loss of power?

what forum do i check help please ????????????????

can u help me?1994
Chevrolet
6.5L Diesel I think my vaccum pump is bad i need to know what all it runs my diesel has a bad loss of power?

Don't want to start anything here but I think DieselPro's point is that if the price is not available to the general public, then the GP has no business knowing what it is. Everyone understands that a business has to make a profit, just be competitive and fair and let the consumer make the choice.

I agree with you. What I think happened is the person at Dipaco thought that they were talking to a dealer instead of the end user and that is why they got the dealer price instead of the list price. People here were trashing Dipaco because they thought Dipaco was doing something fishy with the pricing. I only posted the facts to clear things up.

can u help me?1994
Chevrolet
6.5L Diesel I think my vaccum pump is bad i need to know what all it runs my diesel has a bad loss of power?

Need to start a new thread.

Well I installed mine today, and it runs great, but i guess they all do when the are new...... time will tell if it makes it.

I agree with you. What I think happened is the person at Dipaco thought that they were talking to a dealer instead of the end user and that is why they got the dealer price instead of the list price. People here were trashing Dipaco because they thought Dipaco was doing something fishy with the pricing. I only posted the facts to clear things up.

Fair enough. :)

I'm glad you cleared this up, b/c when the discrepancies in pricing information stated to show up on this forum, I was beginning to think that the Dipaco guys pulled a bait-and-switch-a-roo with the price. From your explanation, it sounds like an honest mistake.

I shouldn't have though that about Dipaco- I know nothing about the company; however, I am sensitized to PMD related shenanigans going on, such as on fleaBay. The 6.5L'er crowd is a great crowd, but many are PMD hungry. Sometimes hungry men do silly things- such as finding food that isn't nutritious and and has a negative impact on their "automotive health". These days it seems like there is a PMD roach coach on every corner, and you don't want to know what the meat is made out of! :D


I agree with you. What I think happened is the person at Dipaco thought that they were talking to a dealer instead of the end user and that is why they got the dealer price instead of the list price. People here were trashing Dipaco because they thought Dipaco was doing something fishy with the pricing. I only posted the facts to clear things up.

Good Morning,

After reading some of the comments on this thread I thought I would add to the mix.

Concerning temps on our PMD. The OEM's PMD internal parts are rated at 85C or 185F degrees. The D Tech PMD internal components are rated at 125C or 260F degrees. Using the above test once the OEM reached 200 it had started to damage the PMD.

The OEM PMD price now is $423.00 after their price increase, there may still be some shops that have the older inventory and can sell OE at 300.00.
There are only two being made and ours can be identified by a little notch
to provide clearance for some applications.

Thanks for the chance to get this information to you.

Nice,. thanks for the info that there are only two products available,. thanks for the info GM has raised their prices,. i think TD is right on the money,.
Nick

Compared heat rise in Stanadyne verses Dipaco.

3,000 rpm WOT. Base temp 75 degrees pmd with no cooler.

Stanadyne reached 200 degrees in approximately 5 minutes.
Dipaco reached 200 degrees in approximately 8 minutes.

Test is swayed in favor of the Dipaco unit due to larger mass to heat up.
No further testing done.

This is an interesting test,.how did you do it? was it done on a bench setup? or a test stand engine,. my 6.5 revs higher than 3000rpm,.
Nick

Bosch Test Stand.

Other rpms /loads could be tested but would not prove anything.

Be glad to run them till they crap out if your willing to donate them to the cause. :)

OK, so do we have any preliminary results of testing on the vehicle in use for the DTech PMD yet?

All I know is that there is a member who purchased a Heath unit and it came with a Di Paco unit

Louis

The DiPaco/Heath Isolator seems to be working as a new PMD should. Truck performance is much more consistent now.

IIRC, Golds was the first to test but I don't believe he's posted anything back.

Pointless at this point IMO. Lets wait and see if there are any premature failures in the next year and beyond. If someone asked me at this point if they should buy one or not, I would say yes. Its much cheaper than the Stanadyne and if it is truly built with the quality DiPaco says it is then its worth the gamble.

I installed one of these awhile ago (see previous posting), still running! I do have some rough starting problems but i think this has to do with the glow plug system. I bought the insta-glows from SSDiesel but have not installed them yet. It seems that my NEW alt starts charging as soon as I start the rig. Sumpins pullin a charge, don know whut. But never a problem running after that. I have to solve a few other issues before I tow with this and it is now winter, nice and chilly. Just food for thought. I'll keep posting now and again.

The DiPaco/Heath Isolator seems to be working as a new PMD should. Truck performance is much more consistent now.

IIRC, Golds was the first to test but I don't believe he's posted anything back.

Pointless at this point IMO. Lets wait and see if there are any premature failures in the next year and beyond. If someone asked me at this point if they should buy one or not, I would say yes. Its much cheaper than the Stanadyne and if it is truly built with the quality DiPaco says it is then its worth the gamble.

The Dipaco unit on my DIY remote cooler has been flawless in operation and cured my random DTC 35. There is only only thing of interest that I noticed after installation: I can make the engine surge moderately at takeoff now if I roll into the throttle as I roll off the clutch and "lug" the engine too much. I am not willing to blame the Dipaco unit for this problem, as I also "upgraded" to the #9 resistor when I installed it. I also do not know the mileage on my 5288 "green tag" pump which may be the real culprit. All in all, I am very happy that I went with the Dipaco unit. As a bonus, I now have a spare pump harness that came with the replacement PMD...:)

Regards,

The DTech PMD has been dissected by engineer friends. It is neither new nor improved. In fact, it is a little bit worse. However, it will probably work just fine.
My question concerns the price of this off-shore (it is not Made in America as one site suggests) clone. There are sites offering the DTech - if it doesn't say Stanadyne, it's not Stanadyne - at major money, Stanadyne money in fact. Yet the DTech wholesales for 100 bucks less. So why would anyone pay OEM Stanadyne money for a Chinese knock-off?

This seems a strong assertion seeing as how the product itself is labled Made in the USA. Thats what the DTech one I have in my hand says.

What sort of testing did your Engineer friends do on these units: visual, thermal cycling, material composition/charectorization, non-distructive testing, electrical loading etc???

Something smells "fishy" about a recent post in here.

If it works as well as it is said to, and holds up to the reputation it is currently making for itself, I see it as a worthwhile replacement option instead of OEM.

The DTech PMD has been dissected by engineer friends. It is neither new nor improved. In fact, it is a little bit worse. However, it will probably work just fine.
My question concerns the price of this off-shore (it is not Made in America as one site suggests) clone. There are sites offering the DTech - if it doesn't say Stanadyne, it's not Stanadyne - at major money, Stanadyne money in fact. Yet the DTech wholesales for 100 bucks less. So why would anyone pay OEM Stanadyne money for a Chinese knock-off?

I know 3 people running with Dtech PMD. They are all happy about it.
Both relocate the PMD outside engine bay.

We need time now to see what's going on and to see if these PMDs are worth the money and really cure the OEM ones issues.

That said, why worse? and how can you say Chinese? They advertised made in USA... at least they are lying and so prepared for several trials... :eek:

PS : please note I'm not afilliate to DIPACO in any manner....

Hi all,
Friends said that the circuitry had the potential for radio signal interference and that a Stanadyne safety feature in it wasn't copied correctly. That said, as I said, the Dipaco may very well work in the short term. Maybe the long term as well.
As for the Made in America, that was a assumption on my part based on the cheap price. However, Made in America can mean many things, including foreign parts assembled here. If it is made here, I'd like to know where and by who. Dipaco, to my knowledge, is only a re-packager.
The basic point remains. The Dipaco unit wholesales for $100 bucks less than the Stanadyne. I don't know why - quality, market strategy, who knows. What I do know is that there are 6.5 sites are not passing along these savings and I think 6.5 users should be aware of this. If it doesn't say Stanadyne, it's not. So why pay Stanadyne prices for something that may or may not be as good?

Something smells "fishy" about a recent post in here.




Yep, I concur... First post EVER and we have innuendo...

However, might I suggest that 'fishy' isn't the right word? Perhaps 'steaky', instead?

I call <cough>bull<cough>$hit<cough>...

Jim

...So why pay Stanadyne prices for something that may or may not be as good?

agree 100%.
I didn't know DIPACO was mainly a re-packager, that's why I was so surprised about that as I was pretty sure this PMD is made by Dipaco...

OK, guys, I can see why 6.5 parts are overpriced. Dipaco does manufacture or remanufacture anything. This is from their website - WELCOME TO DIPACO DIESEL PARTS
DIPACO is a leading supplier of diesel fuel injection repair parts and test equipment. Notice the word "supplier." Now look at this from Interstate-McBee - Interstate Diesel Service began operations in 1947 rebuilding Detroit Diesel injectors. During the 1950’s the company started manufacturing fuel injection components. See the difference?
And there is no innuendo. I'm trying not to knock the DTech. But it is not new and improved, it's cheaper and that's all. Go back to their site and look at the pump page. Notice how they advertise all the"new" stuff on the 6.5 pump. And it's cheap, too! Woofrigginhoo. It comes with a used optic sensor. Anyone know the part that truly fails on this pump? It's not the PMD. That fails because of poor positioning. It's the optic sensor. So why doesn't this pump come with all new parts like they try and make it sound. Because people don't read between the lines and they only look at the price.
I know people that have over 30 years in fuel injection. We all saw the engineers report and none of us were moved to say the DTech is junk. Stanadyne priced themselves out of the market, period. You want to buy a DTech, I could care less. But you're overpaying.

However, might I suggest that 'fishy' isn't the right word? Perhaps 'steaky', instead?

Jim

I, also concur. But maybe, just maybe, we can interchangably use 'steaky' and 'saucy', maybe even use them together?

Friends said that the circuitry had the potential for radio signal interference and that a Stanadyne safety feature in it wasn't copied correctly.

I would like to see this "information" provided by these "engineer friends", cause I smell BS here. I'm an electrical engineer, and this piqued my curiosity.

I'd like a schematic, photos, and a description how they removed the potting epoxy. If they DID such a thing, then this request will be a simple task to fulfill. If they didn't then we will prepare for the myriad of excuses why it cannot be provided. I'm guessing "Dog ate it, camera's broke, and won't talk to them till XXXX day."

On the same token, if it CAN be proved to my satisfaction, I will be the first to apologize.

There has been some questions concerning the DIPACO. I have attached two bulletins that refute what is being said about our PMD. Besides the attachments I want everyone to knoe that this is made in the USA.5101851019

that was interesting reading. if all dipaco and stanadyne pmd passed all the tests why do they fail. my gut felling is stanadyne being the original maker designed it with failure in mind. after all what good would a light bulb be to a maker if it never burned out. no one would ever need buy another one. i guess time will tell which maker of the pmd is better. chances are dipaco, as when someone reverse engineers something it is usually better. it's not likely stanadyne would ever admit to making a faulty design. to do so would invite lawsuits. Ed

that was interesting reading. if all dipaco and stanadyne pmd passed all the tests why do they fail. my gut felling is stanadyne being the original maker designed it with failure in mind. after all what good would a light bulb be to a maker if it never burned out. no one would ever need buy another one. i guess time will tell which maker of the pmd is better. chances are dipaco, as when someone reverse engineers something it is usually better. it's not likely stanadyne would ever admit to making a faulty design. to do so would invite lawsuits. Ed

The big question is under what real range of temps, both running and not running, were this PMD's subjected to during a simulated 100,000 miles. We all know that the majority of failures happen during heat soak after a hot shutdown. I would be willing to bet that either PMD would run 1,000,000+ miles if the engine was never shut off. I may be wrong on the place or the exact age, but I remember not too long ago see something on the History Channel about a light bulb in a fire station somewhere in California that has been burning non-stop since the 20's. Has anyone ever noticed that a light bulb never burns out after it's been on for awhile, only when you first turn it on. Cold filament, low resistance, high current-POW. Kinda the opposite for a PMD-Hot engine and PMD, cool fuel then no fuel, really hot engine and PMD-POW, PMD has stroke and no restart.

The big question is under what real range of temps, both running and not running, were this PMD's subjected to during a simulated 100,000 miles. We all know that the majority of failures happen during heat soak after a hot shutdown. I would be willing to bet that either PMD would run 1,000,000+ miles if the engine was never shut off. I may be wrong on the place or the exact age, but I remember not too long ago see something on the History Channel about a light bulb in a fire station somewhere in California that has been burning non-stop since the 20's. Has anyone ever noticed that a light bulb never burns out after it's been on for awhile, only when you first turn it on. Cold filament, low resistance, high current-POW. Kinda the opposite for a PMD-Hot engine and PMD, cool fuel then no fuel, really hot engine and PMD-POW, PMD has stroke and no restart.
i saw that show too. here is the link. eventually it too will burn out. it is the heat/cool/heat cycles that kill most electronics. http://www.centennialbulb.org/

I rest my case. :D

Stanadyne will no longer profit on us 6.5'ers like they have in the past. When my PMD fails, I'm going DiPaco. If you read the bulletin, anyone with half a brain can figure out what is going on.

That DTech PMD is starting to look better as this thread gets longer......So far Golds and the other few "place" members have no complaints......(Golds said something about a hard start condition, I Think.....but nothing to do with the DTech, He Thinks.......Gonna have to find that post again.)
So I guess only time will tell, and I'll take Member input over any bulletin to make my decision.....

Louis

The Dipaco unit on my DIY remote cooler has been flawless in operation and cured my random DTC 35. There is only only thing of interest that I noticed after installation: I can make the engine surge moderately at takeoff now if I roll into the throttle as I roll off the clutch and "lug" the engine too much. I am not willing to blame the Dipaco unit for this problem, as I also "upgraded" to the #9 resistor when I installed it. I also do not know the mileage on my 5288 "green tag" pump which may be the real culprit. All in all, I am very happy that I went with the Dipaco unit. As a bonus, I now have a spare pump harness that came with the replacement PMD...:)

Regards,

Here it is........any update Golds?

Louis

FWIW Heath units now have the Dipaco driver on them

Somebody with Stanadyne or it's organization is out to squash Dipaco. Dipaco is a competitor but also offers plenty of products that are not readily available to fuel injection shops. It is quite likely GM is going to approve the of the Dipaco unit for PMD replacement. GM and Stanadyne have been having problems. It's highly suspicious when someone new comes on this site new and starts implying Dipaco unit is Chinese made. If there was testing done who said, or who did this testing? Hmmmm? Stanadyne?
Please keep in mind these are just rumors or hearsay. I have no facts to back my suspicions up. I would guess Stanadyne is fixing to drop their price by the first of the year to match competition, even though they just jacked it way up. Stanadyne has also closed and threatened some authorized shops for selling Dipaco PMD's.
So food for thought.
Happy Motoring!

Lets see if we got this right. Invent a better mouse trap and the rats come out to get ya?
hehehe I think I know where I'll get a PMD when mine fails. 140,000miles that I know of mounted on the pump and I'm waiting.
Ted

If I want to buy a rekitted pump with a used optic sensor, I can get one a lot cheaper than Dipaco. You bet there's a choice.
As for testing, I suggest someone buy a DTech and a used Stanadyne and open them up. I'm curious to know what the experts think.
I have nothing against Dipaco and Dtech specifically. I just generally don't like suppliers that rely on misleading and missing info to sell their products. All this "new" stuff on the Dtech doesn't amount to a low hill of pinto beans. They should have been upfront and said it's just plain cheaper. Of course, then they run the risk of someone remembering the old adage ya gets what ya pays for.

I like that finally Stanadyne have a competition. From my stand point as a consumer, Stanadyne has not proved that their product is of quality. So anything should be better than Stanadyne PMD. I don't care where it is made. Only time will tell that the DiPaco PMD is not performing. In the mean time, the solution of putting it on a heatsink OUTSIDE the engine compartment is still the best viable solution.

If I want to buy a rekitted pump with a used optic sensor, I can get one a lot cheaper than Dipaco. You bet there's a choice.
As for testing, I suggest someone buy a DTech and a used Stanadyne and open them up. I'm curious to know what the experts think.
I have nothing against Dipaco and Dtech specifically. I just generally don't like suppliers that rely on misleading and missing info to sell their products. All this "new" stuff on the Dtech doesn't amount to a low hill of pinto beans. They should have been upfront and said it's just plain cheaper. Of course, then they run the risk of someone remembering the old adage ya gets what ya pays for.

Too bad that I can't reverse search dieselman65's IP address like they do on CSI: Miami (Why don't they have female cops that look like that in my hometown), I'd be willing to bet it would end in "@stanadyne.com.:Nonono:

If I want to buy a rekitted pump with a used optic sensor, I can get one a lot cheaper than Dipaco. You bet there's a choice.
As for testing, I suggest someone buy a DTech and a used Stanadyne and open them up. I'm curious to know what the experts think.
I have nothing against Dipaco and Dtech specifically. I just generally don't like suppliers that rely on misleading and missing info to sell their products. All this "new" stuff on the Dtech doesn't amount to a low hill of pinto beans. They should have been upfront and said it's just plain cheaper. Of course, then they run the risk of someone remembering the old adage ya gets what ya pays for.

Dieselman65, why don't you do that yourself. Your task is to prove that DiPaco unit is less quality than Stanadyne? Since you have an enginner friend who has opened the units. Report the results to us.
By the way, where is your signature?

Stanadyne Inside Sales Pitch Memo

DiPaco VS. Stanadyne PMD


* The case on DiPaco's PMD is made out of a black material, therefore they are trying to copy our design.

* DiPaco PMD's are cheaper and made better than ours. This confuses and infuriates us. Do they not know PMD's are meant to fail and be replaced? How will people live if they do not need several PMD's in their posession in fear of being stranded?

* DiPaco PMD's are made with higher grade components. This confirms the fact that we believe these people are nuttier than nut... thingys.

* The heat sink plate on the DiPaco unit is thicker. This leads us to believe they are only interested in wasting resources and killing baby seals. Our PMD has a thinner heat sink plate, so that is better. *Wipes baby seal brains from forehead*

* DiPaco left out components that we disabled in our design. This leaves the remaining electrical devices in the PMD lonely, and thus promotes early PMD failure.

* DiPaco PMD's have less optomized PCB traces. This makes electrons dizzy.

* When prying the cover of the DiPaco PMD with a large screw driver and a large hammer, the cover popped open. This leads to failure.

Stanadyne Inside Sales Pitch Memo

DiPaco VS. Stanadyne PMD


The case on DiPaco's PMD is made out of a black material, therefore they are trying to copy our design.
DiPaco PMD's are cheaper and made better than ours. This confuses and infuriates us. Do they not know PMD's are meant to fail and be replaced? How will people live if they do not need several PMD's in their posession in fear of being stranded?
DiPaco PMD's are made with higher grade components. This confirms the fact that we believe these people are nuttier than nut... thingys.
The heat sink plate on the DiPaco unit is thicker. This leads us to believe they are only interested in wasting resources and killing baby seals. Our PMD has a thinner heat sink plate, so that is better. *Wipes baby seal brains from forehead*
DiPaco left out components that we disabled in our design. This leaves the remaining electrical devices in the PMD lonely, and thus promotes early PMD failure.
DiPaco PMD's have less optomized PCB traces. This makes electrons dizzy.
When prying the cover of the DiPaco PMD with a large screw driver and a large hammer, the cover popped open. This leads to failure.


LOL but that is exactly what it is.

MF, Great writeup.

We had one come in failed today.

:rotflmao:

MF : :thumb:

We had one come in failed today.

Pump or remote mount?

OK, we come from different perspectives. You own a truck and you buy a PMD and if it doesn't work out, oh well, you buy another one and life goes on. I work with people who run fleets of trucks. In the last 5 years I have shipped close to 6000 Stanadyne PMDs, all for remote mounts (and probably 3000 Dipaco injector install kits.) In five years I have had 4 PMDs returned for warranty. This is an amazing rate. It makes my fleet operators very happy and that makes my business reputation golden. The LAST thing I want or need is an owner calling me to ask what am I doing differently, because whatever it is, it ain't working and he isn't happy. That's why I am staying with Stanadyne. Now, when DTech can come knocking on my door with this kind of history and results, I would be more than happy to talk with them and consider using their product. Until then, I don't care about "new and improved" or 1 day tests or people switching over because it's cheaper. I care about trucks that run and customers that come back.
If I've ruffled any feathers, I'm sorry. But DTech's ads were disingenuous and because of that, I wouldn't buy one for any price.
I'm not sure what a signature is or means but I'll see if I can find one.

The signature is the thingy that appears under the line at the end of every post. It's where we list our rigs.

OK, we come from different perspectives. You own a truck and you buy a PMD and if it doesn't work out, oh well, you buy another one and life goes on. I work with people who run fleets of trucks. In the last 5 years I have shipped close to 6000 Stanadyne PMDs, all for remote mounts (and probably 3000 Dipaco injector install kits.) In five years I have had 4 PMDs returned for warranty. This is an amazing rate. It makes my fleet operators very happy and that makes my business reputation golden. The LAST thing I want or need is an owner calling me to ask what am I doing differently, because whatever it is, it ain't working and he isn't happy. That's why I am staying with Stanadyne. Now, when DTech can come knocking on my door with this kind of history and results, I would be more than happy to talk with them and consider using their product. Until then, I don't care about "new and improved" or 1 day tests or people switching over because it's cheaper. I care about trucks that run and customers that come back.


If I've ruffled any feathers, I'm sorry. But DTech's ads were disingenuous and because of that, I wouldn't buy one for any price.
I'm not sure what a signature is or means but I'll see if I can find one.

WARNING: RANT AHEAD
Dieselman65,

1. as that you are a Stanadyne dealer, you really don't have a choose as what PMD's you ship.

2. the fact that you mentioned that these 6000 Stanadyne PMD's are being utilized in remote mount application and as far as I know there are no 6.5L applications where the PMD IS pump mounted should tell you something.

3. what is the warranty on a non-Stanadyne installed PMD? 90 days, 12 months, I don't know but I bet you do. Almost all failures do not happen inside of either timeframe, especially on remote mount applications. So your claim of only 4 WARRANTY claims is as bogus as Stanadyne's propaganda because if it is "out on time" it is not a warranty;).

4. one would hope a business owner would know how to read instructions and be able to figure out how to fill in a signature, seeing as all us dopes on DP figured it out.

5. last but not least, typically whenever someone is new to DP they start out by saying hi, asking some questions and become a "good citizen". So it shouldn't be much of a surprise that when a newcomer's first 5 posts are all about accusations in an effort to hijack a long-running thread that they are met with suspicion. I was not a member of DP when the whole "steak sauce" deal went down so I don't know the whole story, but trust me, you don't want to be associated with that guy.

I bet one of the mods could stumble across any members IP address?........Wait was that a question?

Louis

Now it gets more interesting... Any more details?

We had one come in failed today.

Ran maybe a week. Pump mounted. Going back to dipaco. Totally dead. no crank, no pump on stand. Sorry no more details.

Btt

Has anybody here used the Diesel Direct remote PMD cooler with the fan on top of the fins? It comes with a 6' harness and a heatsinc compound made of Arctic Silver 5 that is supposed to keep your PMD cooler than 150 degrees when mounted properly .......Anybody have any experience with this unit ? The unit sells for 169.99 without the PMD . I have burned up 2 PMD's , one in the stock location and the other on an SSdiesel supply cooler. This makes 3 PMD's in 6 yrs. I thought about the other PMD , but bought a standyne unit instead.

Here it is........any update Golds?

Louis

I found that surging condition one day purely by mistake. The operational characteristics where this condition was found were well out of my "norm" and could have been there with a stanadyne PMD, just never encountered those conditions with this truck up to that point.

As a previously mentioned, I also switched (blindly) to a #9 resistor at the time of the installation. This could also cause extra load on some parts of the pump and or pump control system.

Other than this one incident (which I can now pretty much duplicate on demand), I have had ZERO incidents with the Dipaco. Please note that this is not to say that I would not also be having flawless operation from a new Stanadyne PMD. I chose the Dipaco unit from a price and "new product" standpoint. I do not mind being a guinea pig for the group (when I can afford it) and am willing to share my experiences, both good and bad, with the group.

Regards,

Ran maybe a week. Pump mounted. Going back to dipaco. Totally dead. no crank, no pump on stand. Sorry no more details.


Sorry DieselPro I lost reference inbetween other posts. When you get a chance can you recap. That sounds like a PMD test you are running and one failed. Which one failed and let us know anything interesting.

NO test. One of our customers truck just quit. We sold over a hundred and this is first failure. They work quite well on the test stand, with no problems found. Probably just a fluke. Time will tell all.

FWIW Heath units now have the Dipaco driver on them
Thats good enough for me!

NO test. One of our customers truck just quit. We sold over a hundred and this is first failure. They work quite well on the test stand, with no problems found. Probably just a fluke. Time will tell all.

Thanks for letting us know, DieselPro. Please keep us up to date on what you are seeing with these new units!!

Has anybody here used the Diesel Direct remote PMD cooler with the fan on top of the fins? It comes with a 6' harness and a heatsinc compound made of Arctic Silver 5 that is supposed to keep your PMD cooler than 150 degrees when mounted properly .......Anybody have any experience with this unit ? The unit sells for 169.99 without the PMD . I have burned up 2 PMD's , one in the stock location and the other on an SSdiesel supply cooler. This makes 3 PMD's in 6 yrs. I thought about the other PMD , but bought a standyne unit instead.
It could be me But I believe you hit the nail on the hood all your PMD's burned up under the hood right? this new cooler you have if mounted under the hood will net the same results, likely that fan wont work if left out of the engine bay, FWIW all the remote mounted (out of engine bay) I have touched when running are cold to warm and I'd be willing to bet they are not even close to ambiant air temp. you will have better luck mounting it to a piece of 6x12x 3/8 aluminum and mount that to the skid plate. lots of posted pics on this, heath mounts his there no reported failures to date. I dont believe there are any/many reports of failure even when mounted to a heat sink outta the engine bay, unless it was with a used PMD (of unknown condition) I've made homemade extensions and heat sinks for 4 different trucks in the past 2 yrs and they are all still running, and they all had used PMD's (from a local GM dealer, long story I cant say to protect the guilty) that I re-torqued the transistor nuts. sorry for the rant. it seems simple get it out of the engine bay, any other option does not seem to do the distance.

*sniff* ... hmmm... told ya I smelled steak.

Interesting. We went from being a concerned guy with a couple of engineer friends to an aftermarket dealer that has shipped a mythical 6000 remote mount units with an even more mythical 4 failures returned for warranty.

That right there is a 'sucker' statement... if this guy is an aftermarket dealer we know (note the pseudonym), then yeah, he's probably shipped that many PMD remote kits, but since he doesn't warranty any of his top-of-the-engine-mount-PMDs for more than 6 months, the other 5990 failures don't count.

Or, it might be another old friend of ours, a guy who claims NO failures, ever, and builds his heat sinks out of old aluminum cookie sheets in his basement.

*sniff* ... anybody else smell that? It must be that new Bull$hit steaksauce we've heard so much about.

One thing for sure, it ain't Heath or any of our reputable site vendors.

Great comments, Nick.

I always get a laugh out of people who say "I've gone through XX PMDs in the last 4 years... I'm getting tired of this."

What they're really saying is "I saved so much money by buying something other than a Heath remote PMD and getting it right out of the engine bay. I saved that much money XX times"

What they really mean is "I wish I had listened to you guys the first time, but since I didn't, now I'm too proud to say 'oops', eat the loss for my lapse in judgement and get one now. I think I'll try doing that a few more times.

This thinking is why Vegas Hotels make so much money.

There are lots of guys on this forum who build their own heat-sinks and extension harnesses... if done right, this is a great alternative to spending the $540 for Heath's PMD Isolator, if you're

(a) a handy kind of guy, and
(b) willing to take the time to do it right.

There are also lots of guys who aren't so handy, or aren't willing to do it right... they make cheap heatsinks, or they mount their contraptions under the hood, or they buy used PMDs.

They show up back here.

The Fram Filter commercial... "Pay me now, or Pay me later" comes to mind.

Interesting. We went from being a concerned guy with a couple of engineer friends to an aftermarket dealer that has shipped a mythical 6000 remote mount units with an even more mythical 4 failures returned for warranty.

It's a tough audience in here. I sell over a million dollars a year in new and reman diesel parts, mostly engine parts and mostly class 8. 6000 PMDs was a conservative figure. They don't come back even tho I don't argue warranties. (Stanadyne is a year, btw.) Most important, and hear me here, my customers DO come back and they are a whole lot tougher audience than you guys.
I have 2 major pet peeves - one is suppliers who aren't honest and the other is customers who don't take the time to read the fine print. This DTech unit may very well be the real deal but I would never recommend it, not because I sell Stanadyne but because of the reasons I've already given. 2 or 3 years from now I might change my mind. That's up to DTech and Stanadyne. What DTech needs, besides a new marketing manager, is more people like the gent who doesn't mind being a guinea pig and trying something new, or more correctly, supposedly new and improved. (Funny how DTech's testing didn't pinpoint anything new or improved. If I remember it correctly, it just said it was the same as the Stanadyne. I could be wrong on this but I'm sure if I am, 1 or a 100 of you will be quick to let me know, eh.)
So, I haven't gone anywhere. In fact, I'm looking to be a vendor. And I believe I have a friend of a friend who has opened up the 2 PMDs. Altho I'm not sure what that will tell us. But I'll let you know what I saw.
And I am also curious about a couple of other things - how do you individually rate the vendors you deal with and how do you like the Marine injectors. Should these be on separate threads?

Interesting. We went from being a concerned guy with a couple of engineer friends to an aftermarket dealer that has shipped a mythical 6000 remote mount units with an even more mythical 4 failures returned for warranty.

I don't buy into this. I say B.S.

Dieselman has made one great comment that he buys from Stanadyne regardless of price and quality, and that is admirable. I wish more people were
like that. As far as his two pet peeves I will address one. I assume he was referring to us when he said suppliers that are not honest. We have been in business for over 50 years, you do not last that long if you are dishonest.
When we went to GM for the testing all we wanted was to make sure that our customers new that our PMD was built to at least the same quality that Stanadyne was. We know and have listed how ours is new and improved, that is printed on the DTech web site. One other thing stated on the DTech web site was the fact that we are using remanufactured technology not that we were the ones doing it. We were the company that thought the diesel customers who owned 6.5 were being ripped off and we thought that we could help. It turns out that Stanadyne has just lowered the price of their pumps and PMD's. We feel that we contributed to that. I do not get upset that Dieselman is using Stanadyne. I hope that he continues to be loyal to us on the installation kit side of the business. Thanks to all who is supporting us.

Competition - a great thing .

Stanadyne just lowered their just raised prices. Seems some company must have put a dent in their sales. Think they termed it as price parity or something like that.
Makes you wonder who's side are they on.

yep... and I hope they will try to build their PMDs so they will be at least as solid as Dipaco's ones... :D

:whip: OK, Ok, just kidding

I do not want anyone taking anything personally, but based on what I have learned, I am staying with my original thoughts. A Stanadyne and a DTech PMD were sawed in half. However, before doing that, the first thing that was noticed, after backing off the nuts, is that neither unit had any epoxy on any nuts. None. The second difference was the transistors. Stanadyne uses OEM Motorola transistors. DTech uses I don't know what. No one recognized the symbol. Same quality, cheaper quality, we don't know. A cross section view indeed shows the DTech with a thicker heat sync but now I'm to the point that it may be an attempt to confuse quantity with quality. More metal but of cheaper quality. I'm not a metallurgist, I don't know. Finally, the DTech has a gel like material over the circuit board and a separate cover on top whereas the Stanadyne encases the circuit board in the case's hard epoxy. This circuit board isn't getting hot and I don't see it expanding. The gel and cover looks, to me, like another cost cutting measure.
One last time at the DTech page, who is this "leading remote mount solution provider" who came up with these temperatures and why should I believe the DTech rated higher? Yes, Stanadyne badly miscalculated the market. Yes they have reduced their price and yes, yes competition is a wonderful thing. But no, I don't sell Stanadyne regardless of price and quality. I sure as hell wouldn't be in business very long with that kind of attitude. I work for my customers and it's my job to make sure they make money. Running trucks make money.
As I first said when I got into this thread, I don't care which PMD you folks use. I do care which PMD my customers use and it's going to stay a Stanadyne.

WOW - the old thread is like an energizer bunny...going and going and going...it's great to see so much info come together in 1 place...hopefully a year or so from dipaco's release date of the pmd we'll here some additional feedback...I'll still go dipaco as it stands if mine poops tomorrow...Heath using them on there setup certainly says something in the trust category for dipaco's product...peace fellas, say it and move on!

I was just doing a little bit of snooping around non-vendor websites and I noticed that Heath isn't the only one to have replaced the Stanadyne units with the Dtech unit. There warranties have never been as stong as Heath's, but that does say that several 6.5 suppliers have switched already. Bill is a smart business and with the warranty he puts on his units, that to me is as big of an endorsement of the Dtech as you can get.

If it's good for Bill, it's good for me. After all, he's the one who's backing the thing for 7 years.

What the heck is a PMD??

I have tried to read the entire thread and for the life of me I still have no idea what the heck a PMD is, what it does or does not do, or why. Something to do with stalling is the most I can figure. For someone thats disel chalanged like me all the abriveations can make it very tough to know whats up.

Try this link, Phil. http://www.the**********.com/reviews/FSDCooler.htm This is not an endorsement of the product but there is some good info here. There is also a temperature chart. Gee, where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, it's the same one DTech "borrowed" and added some BS about "Temperatures in red exceed average temperature rating for OEM PMD components." DTech never does say how they arrived at this conclusion. Buyer beware, brother.

PMD is on the side of the IP. The OS and the CMS work in conjunction with the ECM to trigger the PMD to activate FS which sends a 1.76MS pulse to the poppet valve up to13,600 per sec. That's why it burns up.

PMD is for Pump Mounted driver, as long as it is in stock place (this little black box mounted on the side of the IP (Injection Pump).
It becomes a FSD (Fuel Solenoid Driver) when you mount it remote. OS is for Optic Sensor (not Operating System) and FS is Fuel Solenoid (not Front Side) :D :D :D

Try this link, Phil. http://www.the**********.com/reviews/FSDCooler.htm This is not an endorsement of the product but there is some good info here. There is also a temperature chart. Gee, where have I seen this before? Oh yeah, it's the same one DTech "borrowed" and added some BS about "Temperatures in red exceed average temperature rating for OEM PMD components." DTech never does say how they arrived at this conclusion. Buyer beware, brother.

This buyer was "aware" and is very happy. I think that we are all well aware of your position on the Stanadyne versus Dtech PMD issue. Perhaps toning down of this anti-DTech rhetoric is in order, since there are currently as many happy Dtech PMD owners here as Stanadyne PMD owners and DTech at least as of yet, has provided no disappointments. I really can't say that about Stanadyne (ala cost increases)...

Regards,

I can't agree with Goldsburg more. The big question I have is if everyone else has lowered their prices on PMD who are using the Dtech, why hasn't Heath?

Optic Sensor?? Does it have eyes? Golly, are these things hi-tech or what. And the lingo, Geees! Am sure as heck getting a education in what I don't know.
Its a long way from a 283 chevy. Thanks for the comeback.
I just hope this new 08 will be as trouble free as the 03 was.
Optic Sensor

I just hope this new 08 will be as trouble free as the 03 was.


Phil,

What are you driving? :confused:

Very soon I hope a LTZ 3500 dually. It was to be here on Dec 18 but its not here yet. It will be our new 5th wheel hauler. I don't mind telling you I am getting nervous. Reading all this stuff about all the things that can and do happen with these trucks. I do think that the Chevy is the best choice and that stuff happens with anything man made. I just can't get over how complex they are. Who would have thunk it twenty years ago.

You know you are buying a truck that has nothing to do with anything that is said in this particular part of this message board?

You're right, Goldsburg. It's just that this kind of BS, and I see it in a lot of other diesel parts places as well, really burns my butt. Why not just be honest? Hey, my part X is just as good as your part X but mine costs less. How friggin hard is that? Same with additives. Water is bad and either your additive puts water in the system or it doesn't, eh? Or sell me a 6.5 pump and tell me it's fully updated, not fully tested. I sell 6.5 pumps that are fully tested but one comes with a 6 month warranty and one with a 12 month warranty and I will flat out tell you they are not the same. Be good to your customers and your customers will be good to you.
Merry Christmas to all

Very soon I hope a LTZ 3500 dually. It was to be here on Dec 18 but its not here yet. It will be our new 5th wheel hauler. I don't mind telling you I am getting nervous. Reading all this stuff about all the things that can and do happen with these trucks. I do think that the Chevy is the best choice and that stuff happens with anything man made. I just can't get over how complex they are. Who would have thunk it twenty years ago.

This is the wrong forum for you bud, as the 03 is a duramax,(and they come with their own problems) this thread is about 94-2000 6.5's:rolleyes:

Boy am I red or not. Kinda glad too. Well its been fun. I guess I won't worry about my PMD, OS, IP, GMS, OR PMS either. Ill try to get back to the right place. Nice talking to you guys and have a Very Marry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
PS. I still can't believe all the stuff under the hood of thest things. Maby I ought not to know, maby better off.

New in here, but couple comments.
Seen 2 of stanadyne, both has parts not made in usa. (oh, is stanadyne now "china"-made $hit?)
One was using transistors from ON Semiconductor, other one Motorola.
Both max storage or usage temperature was 392F (200C). (Transistors only, not seen other parts)


Just coocked mine stanadyne and now seeking ways to save some $.
(Remembering, if want cheap and good, buy two ;) )
I think to buy 2 DTechs, just because for gettin them here UPS wants ~$250..


PS. In here (europe), made in usa is not always recommendation ;)

I think to buy 2 DTechs, just because for gettin them here UPS wants ~$250..


:eek::eek:. I hope that is 250 pesos-oops, I'm sorry, you live in Europe, not Arizona:D:D